What happens in a PHEV when you run out of charge - step by step demonstration
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2021
- In This video we drive a plug-in hybrid Hyundai Tucson until it runs out of electric charge to see what happens afterwards with Brian Doolan at Fitzpatricks garage Kildare
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I’ve been reading some of the comments here and there seems to be some misconceptions about how you use the EV mode. I’ve had the Tucson PHEV since October 8th so am speaking from experience. I drive in EV mode exclusively - but the engine still runs regularly - for heat, for passing, for aggressive acceleration - and sometimes “just because” (presumably to circulate fluids and maybe top up the charge in the 12V battery.
The first point I’m trying to make is that putting the car in EV mode does not prevent the ICE from running…! Selecting EV mode is more like a “request” to the car to use electric power “as much as possible”.
That also leads to my 2nd point….which is - just because you hear the engine start up and run doesn’t mean your car is NOT being powered by electricity. If you’re in EV mode with a full charge and you need a bit of heat, the engine will turn on to generate that heat BUT the wheels will still be driven primarily be electricity (even though the EV indicator will go off). Yes the engine will be running - but more or less just idling. It won’t be burning gas anywhere near the rate it would if you were in HEV mode or gas-only mode.
Thirdly - and I haven’t actually watched this video yet - I’ve taken my PHEV out in EV mode with the heat turned off and managed to stay in EV mode for 8km from my driveway to the highway - and then for another 35-ish km on the highway with the cruise control set to 135km/hr. I had started with about 85% battery charge and once on the highway, I watched the percentage go down - waiting to see when the ICE would kick in. It was at 13%. After that, for the rest of the trip, I was essentially just driving a normal HEV (but carrying a little extra weight).
There’s nothing all that magic or special about using up the charge in your battery. The PHEV just becomes an HEV when the charge gets down to a point determined by the car itself…. 🤷🏻♂️
After 2.5 months, I still love my Tucson PHEV and don’t regret a single thing about my purchase!!!
Oh - and the lowest I’ve seen my battery get down to is 7%. By the time I got back home though, it had charged back up to 24%…
Great info there ! Thank you for taking the time 🙏😀 and for watching !
big fan of experience from 1) someone who knows what there talking about and 2) someone with first hand experience
thanks
@@Genobilii Thanks a million for watching, I appreciate it and thank you for the nice comment!
You v should do a video. Very detailed and to the point explanation. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the details. To me the value proposition is still quite confusing vs a normal hybrid. I would've expected it to have better milage in mixed or automatic mode compared to a hybrid due to the larger battery.
I've been looking for this information for a while. Thank you for the video
Hey glad it helped .. thanks for watching!
Great short to the point facts about real life benefits/shortcomings... Appreciate it!
Hey Martin ! Thanks for watching and for the nice comment 🤘🙂
Thank you a very clear and Unconfusing video With lots of precise information making my choice very easy
Thank you for watching!
Excellent video Brian thank you. I'm moving (pushed more like by my company car policy) into the world of PHEV's so this was really really useful as a company car driver and one of the most informative videos out there...thank you!
Hey thanks for watching, I appreciate it , good luck with the new wheels 🙂
Thanks so much. I think I may be picking one up. Sending love from Canada friend!
Thank you for watching and the nice comment! Much appreciated
Another great video. Thanks. 👍
Thanks for watching ! I appreciate it !
Very enlightening video, I just had an ahaa moment. Thanks!
Glad it helped thanks for watching!!
Very informative! Thank you!
Appreciate you watching thank you!
Very informative! Thanks!!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the very helpful video which did just what was promised in the title - explain what happens when a PHEV battery runs out. Answer: Nothing bad! (as long as you have gas in the tank). Thanks again!!!
Hey thanks for watching i appreciate it !
Congrats on 5k subs aha, I like the way that when the battery gets low it turns into a normal hybrid as to a certain extent instead of just going flat dead and just having a solid petrol engine 👌🏻
Thanks Rob 🙂 PHEV can give you best of both .. like that bread you get .. tastes like white bread but has the properties of brown bread 🤣🤣
@@doolanbrian that’s a good analogy 🤣🤣
@@robertdoyle7399 😇
Great video again Brian. I did wonder about running out of battery power and what might happen. Thanks and Keep Up The Good Work.....
Nice one Sean .. the video quality is poor but I hope you understand better now 🙂✅
Really appreciated this video. We purchased our Tucson plug-in in 2002 and love it. When we bought it, we lived in Arizona (had to go to California to purchase it because the dealers in AZ could not even order the car???) and drove it exclusively around town in EV mode. Then we moved to Wisconsin and needed heat during the winter. The car still does well mileage wise. By the way, you can't get this car in Wisconsin either, according to the nearby dealership.
Hey thanks for watching! That’s so strange it’s not available in all states 🤷🏼🙂
Great video cheers man. Quality content.
Thanks for watching!🙂
Very helpful ! Thank you 👍
Thank you for watching Paul !!
I have a Kia Niro PHEV and love it. Truly the best of both!
A very economical vehicle!
Very informative video. Hats Off👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks again .. glad it was useful 🙂👍
Thanks for testing and review on PHEV. I think you are the only one who tests it on youtube.
Hey I appreciate you watching !!!
I'd love a PHV. Best of all worlds.
And just a plain nice car to drive too !! thanks for watching Steve
well explained first time by someone how it really works.
thanks
Glad this was helpful. Thank you for watching
Welllllll ....a pretty good demonstration for people who are NOT technical, but ARE curious about HOW a PHEV functions in the REAL WORLD .......but at the very end, 10:35, "...once it runs out of charge, it behaves like a hybrid....". So does that mean when the engine kicks in the battery is now being charged .....because that's how a hybrid "behaves".
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Yes once it runs out of charge it can self charge to circa 16-17% battery … this will allow some limited EV driving ie it can cover circa 0.5 km of EV driving .. once this is used it recharges using the engine and allows another 0.5 kms or so and so forth and so forth 🙂👍.. to charge about 17-18% you need to plug it in
Let me add my 5 cents 🙂
Last Christmas got in traffic going to mountains - there was very slow movement in about an hour because of chains checking post. And during this traffic jam the battery discharged down to 5% and only after that the gas engine started.
I was kind of nervoius during monitoring how the battery went to 10%, 7%... 5%... That was my first experience with the almost fully discharged battery. Now, when I know what happens, I'm fully relaxed in may car.
And one more thing. The label for the Tucson HPEV says to use 87 gas (US number), however, the manual says - at least 87. Using gas 91 increases the travel range and that increase is bigger than gas price difference.
Thanks for the input Igor and for watching too !
Here in Finland why a PHEV? 1) cheaper insurance 2) cheaper road tax 3) no diesel tax. 4) 14,000km will cost you €142 5) when you run out of battery the petrol engine takes over. (winter time good to use hybrid drive petrol and battery in 4x4 in our outlander the battery will last far longer as the front wheel drive will be petrol and the rear wheels will be electric, it really extends the battery life which is really good in the snow).
You’re government, definitely tries to help you guys to move towards hybrid technology, that’s for sure, thank you for watching and for commenting!
Hello Brian, great video. You mentioned you did an acceleration video for Hyundai Tucson PHEV? Please send a link! Subscribed and hit like on the video!
Thank you for watching Andrey.. it is much appreciated.. try this video here ➡️ czcams.com/video/JwB_7GbTiYE/video.html
After watching all these videos and reading all this information today, I'm VERY glad that I got a plug-in hybrid! It seems to me to be the best of both worlds!
🙂👌
Hi Brian, very informative. Thank you. Would be interesting to see how the power train operates in EV and HEV mode when different drive modes are engaged such as eco vs smart vs sport.
I’ll get a video for that soon .. From recollection terrain settings may not have an impact but I think sport is unavailable in EV mode 🧐
Thanks Brian. That’s a great insight into PHEVs. If the battery is never plugged in and charged will it deplete?
It looks like you could own this car and never charge it throughout its life .. It will behave like a normal hybrid in that case where basically it self charges .. The only thing about the self charging is it will give you a very small electric range of maybe 1 to 2 km max, that’s where the plug-in part kicks in but to answer your question no it will never to be fully depleted ! Thanks for watching
Hi Brian I have the ultimate self charging hybrid,would you have time to do a video on the flappy paddles?
I am unfamiliar with the ultimate model, maybe that’s in the UK? czcams.com/video/vKAfOnEyfeY/video.html , the paddle shifters should be the same as this Santa Fe video 🙂👍
Hi Brian,would you be so kind to inform us how easy/difficult is to fit a towing system(wires and towbar) and is it necessary to change the bumper ? Will affect the rear parking sensors? I am looking to fit one on my new Santa Fe PHEV when it will be delivered. Thank you very much.
Hi there ! So we actually subcontract out Towbar fitting to external companies .. as a result I’ve never had to change one here .. I’m not aware that wiring the Towbar on phev Santa Fe is any different than non phev models .. if you live in ireland I can give you details for a fitting company ?? 🙂
Hi Brian, hi folks, many greets from Germany! Here i get answers hard to find in videos in german language, trying to follow your very very quick tongue, which is not always easy for non-natives like me, but, grabb the info or dy trying, right? Luckily there is a repeat option on the video controls.
I am very interested in the Tucson full hybrid and plug-in hybrid models, trying to figure out which model suits me best. Away from that i am always wondering if the petrol turbo engine., which is not being used that much in the plug-in hybrid i guess (that´s what the car should be aiming for), will stay healthy the whole car`s life. I think that it does not have time to really warm up, or even cool down, which is an essential aspect for petrol-only driven turbo engines in terms to save life on the turbo and parts....when it is powered on to support for aggressive acceleration it has to step in even if the oil-temp could be very low when having 20 or 30 km driven only with battery power. The rpms go up, and probably the petrol driven engine is being shut down after , for example, overtaking some other cars.
The full hybrid, i asume, will use the engine much more, probably not running into this scenario, or even not that often. Am I right?
Many thanks for those videos and the work you put in there! And..btw...if you WRITE down your answer here, feel free to write as fast you can. Reading is much more easier for me as i can adjust the speed on my own. ;-)
Hi Frank, thank you very much for watching, it’s a good point, oil temperature is usually more beneficial when it’s warm to a turbocharged engine so I understand your concern,
I suppose all we can do is put our faith in the research and development that goes into the engine…
in my opinion, I think a plug-in hybrid or a normal full non-plug-in hybrid is going to suffer similar wear and tear
The reason I say that is that the plug-in hybrid behaves just like the regular hybrid when it is not fully charged. Even when the plug in hybrid is fully charged, and if you are driving full electric in the first 50 km, sometimes the petrol engine will still come back in as it is necessary for heavy acceleration or also operating the heater .
I am of the opinion that both will have similar levels of reliability long-term, I stand to be corrected but that’s what I think!
Thanks for watching Frank!
What do you think the best range one could get to a tank of fuel if a commute is 26 miles (41km) a day and was charged every evening? That’s my wife’s round trip commute daily. I know the motor has to run for a bit to warm up but do you think it would be possible to get 750 miles, or maybe 1000 miles between fuel fill ups?
Technically if the weather is warm, the engine will come in every now and then just for the purpose of lubrication, but you can do 50 km in full electric without using the heater and if you are gentle with the throttle 🙂.. I would be confident in telling you that if she does a 41 km round-trip she should be able to do 90% of it in full electric,
to be 100% sure I would call the local dealer, ask them to charge one up .. and take it for a 20 km test drive to observe how it will react to your driving and local atmospheric conditions 🙂👍
Just took home a 2024 Kia Niro SX Touring PHEV. Why isn't my battery fully charging? It's been plugged in over 12 hours and seems stuck at 80% for longer than expected. Does it slow down near the full capacity?
Okay, do you have a menu in your vehicle which has charge management?
I doubt you have the following, but just in case go into it, and make sure your vehicle doesn’t have a menu for charge limit
After that, then I would cross reference with another charger in another house just to see if it’s something specific about your home that’s causing this
It’s not a common thing to happen, but sometimes there can be a miscommunication between the charger and the car
Are you doing it using a three pin socket or are you using a home charger?
well explained; informative!
Thanks for watching !
I'm here and my question is if you know you're going to do a long drive in a PHEV without potentially a chance to charge on the way... do you stick it in hybrid mode from the off for the best fuel economy? My parents live about 200 miles away and we stop at a service station that may not have electric charge available OR it's very expensive... so what's the most economical way to drive that 200 miles?
Thank you for watching I would use the electric portion for the start of your journey and use petrol at the petrol station. I wouldn’t purchase electricity in the public domain as it’s pretty much the same price as petrol.!
this guy is crazy
🤣🤣…🙂✌️
Interesting video, it's good that once Initial charge has gone it will regroup and use the fossil fuel to charge the battery and in the meantime run on a mixture of gasoline and gasoline/electric and full electric like a non plug in hybrid .
As you say it's got 260hp but only until initial battery charge is used up as it goes from 2 root power sources to 1 - the combustion engine becoming the only root power source with a proportion of combustion engine power recharging battery/ running electric motor be interested to know if that drop in combined total output usable hp is noticable if it is using the electric motor without any usable battery charge left in batteries when in its combined combustion engine/electric combo its using around 100hp of combustion engine power to power electric motor if pushing it.
But for me its relaxed effortless performance that matters and that comes from torque and that's where these 1.6 petrol phev suffer.once that is being asked to pull car along and charge battery/ run electric motor it's all a bit loud , gruff and overworked. Puts me off the phev cars as all have these tiny engines.
Interesting insights Kevin .. not all PHEVs have small engines though ! Hey thanks for watching !! 💪🙂
Hoe many km kan jij drive in hybrid mode with 15% left on the battery?
1/2 km bursts in hybrid mode 👍
Hi Brian, This video is super useful! Thanks. I was wondering in case the battery is empty and I choose to drive with Fuel only.. does it keep charging the battery until it reaches 100%? Thanks!
Thank you for watching, okay, it’s actually not possible to drive this car on fuel only, it will always have a small portion of electric drive available, so it continuously self charges, a small amount, but only to approximately 17%, it doesn’t appear to be able to charge any further than that by itself without the use of plugging into a charging facility, hope this helps!
@@doolanbrian hi Brian, thank you so much for the detailed reply this is the question that i needed answer for. I guess hybrid is the way to go. Unless car's behavior can be altered / customized with software. Happy to follow your content. Subbed :)
@@mjxone I don’t believe there is any way to customise or change software right now, I appreciate your subscription, thank you for watching the video🙂👍
Great video. I have a BMW x45e and could not understand how the car can go from EV to Hybrid with 0 battery left.
Hopefully this has helped, thank you very much for watching Jim
What about BMW 530e PHEV? Is it the same? Planning to buy one, but I will charge it only sometimes.
I’ve never driven one, but I would imagine it works on a very similar principle, thanks for watching!
Am I correct in assuming that regenerative braking isn't enough to lift an EV range of depleted battery, meaning your EV range will remain 0 km 'till you charge the vehicle via an AC outlet?
In Full full EV drive yes ! You got it right .. the regen braking won’t replenish the battery sufficiently….there will still be a very small proportion of EV drive which can self generate to allow small bursts of EV drive in hybrid .. The regenerative braking doesn’t contribute very much charge in hybrid mode .. During this self charge process most of the charging comes from the engine🙂🙂
Hi Brian,
Excellent video, I have a question though; all of these phev vehicles have a much smaller internal combustion engine so does it mean when you run out of battery you've got this tiny ICE engine to move your car?
For example if you take a 500Km trip on a 2023 AR Tonale phev SUV with 1.3L ICE , only after 50-60Km you will run out of electric power and for the rest of your trip you are dependent on the tiny 1.3L engine to propel the heavy SUV.
Now to my next point why the car manufacturers are allowed to add this very limited battery power to the total horse power or torque of the vehicles and make these claims about high horse power and torque of phev vehicles while they know full well the battery power is very limited in range and duration.
Thank you
Once they run out of charge, they combine battery power with the internal combustion engine so it won’t run on just the internal combustion engine if that makes sense ?
I guess the power made by the car includes the battery and the engine? So when they put their figures on paper it seems logical to include both?
@@doolanbrian
Thank you Brian
@@afshins.6167 thanks for watching!!
Hi Brian. I've watched lots of videos about this vehicle which I have on order. People talk about fuel saving/miles per gallon but nobody seems to add in the cost of electricity. I wonder have you covered this or could you at some point? Thanks. Really enjoy your helpful videos.
Hey thanks for watching! The cost of electricity is a variable these days and each electricity supplier is different, and each persons, electricity plan is different and unfortunately I’m not an expert on it .. so I have avoided it as it’s hard to give an accurate overview, I appreciate you watching, sorry I couldn’t help better on that one🙂
@@doolanbrian Thank you for taking the trouble to reply Brian. Yes, I realise it's almost impossible with the varying costs of electricity. Appreciate your videos, very helpful.
@@j5s9c I think all you can do is think about it this way, the battery is 13.8 kW, so if you look at your electricity bill see how much you get charged per kw , for example, if it was $.30 per kilowatt, then to charge this fully would cost to 13.8×$.30 which is about $4.14 .. which would get you 50 km of range if that makes sense
@@doolanbrian It does Brian. Thanks again.
One very important aspect of this entire evolution is "clean energy" ....which should NOT be simply ignored or dismissed. The source of electrical power is very important with respect to "clean energy". Arguably, the "cleanest" source of electricity is hydro-electric. Stored dam water drives generators. Minimal to no pollutions of any kind, versus electricity generated by coal .....the "dirtiest electricity" on the planet. Then there are the fossil fuels. Natural gas STILL contributes to pollutions AND global warming.
These are facts that cannot be ignored or dismissed.
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hey Brian great video , i drive about 50km a day in a 2013 vw gtd and use €50 diesel a week or there abouts , would the Phev suit me more as i could primarily use the ev range everyday and keep a full tank of petrol , and save on my weekly fuel espense , i know i will pay on my bill , apparently night rate is will cost me 1/5 the cost of diesel so even at that it would cost me €10 a week on electric bill so €80 extra on bi montly bill , trying to decide on diesel 1.6 executive or phev executive plus as its nicer inside , what do you think ? over 3 years pcp id spend €7500 on diesel but alot less on Phev
Sorry I missed this comment !! Did you buy phev or stay diesel after ??
As a Canadian this messes me up. I'm seeing him drive on left side but listing things in KM. Canada we drive on the right side of the road and use KM, and the UK drives on the left side and uses miles (Imperial). Things you learn every day.
Hey 👋 thanks for watching!
We price fuel in litres and calculate economy in Imperial gallons. Think it's to keep us in subjugation 🤷🏻♂️🤔
(imagine our delight when driving in the USA, distances in miles but we're on the 'wrong' side of the road. At least MPG is the same, right? Wrong!) 🇬🇧
@@AdrianNelson1507 MIND BLOWN!
@@AdrianNelson1507 🙂
Hi Brian Great video thanks. What I don't understand is when in full electric mode why is the gas being used also? My understanding was that when using full electric your fuel consumption would not be touched. You can see a big difference in your fuel gauge from the start of the video to that at the end of the video. Why is this?
If you are in full electric mode it won’t use any petrol but if the environment changes where it needs more power for example if overtaking .. it may switch from electric mode into hybrid mode, at this point it will start using some petrol engine alright if that makes sense?
Thank you
@@ruthwalsh8509 thanks for watching!
That was a deadly review. I want to drain my battery everyday because I get mates rates charging at work. My journey is 24miles each way. Tried it today coming home from work and still have 50% battery. I notices the petrol kicking in quite a bit. Can you disable that from happening as it is much more expensive? Thanks
Okay, let me ask you this, did you have the heating on in the vehicle? You might find this video, helpful czcams.com/video/HZ6uuW4A1Zk/video.html Thank you for watching!
I am Behzad from Sweden I'm confused about which one it's better ! I wanna buying between Mazda Cx60 plugin or RAV4 plugin or Hyundai Tucson plugin ???? Which one is better?
Hey 👋, thanks for watching! Unfortunately I am unfamiliar with the Mazda and the Toyota so I can’t comment .. all you can do is test drive the 3 vehicles and go with the one you like … they will all have their pros and cons.. so rather than look for the best go for the one you prefer
With this car fully charge up for a road trip of around 200 kms., can you give me an idea of the number of litres of gas that would be used? The trip would be 90% highway driving at between 100 - 120 kms/hr. Thanks for the vid.!
It depends on the drive settings.
In the best case, you use up the battery range then drive like a hybrid. The Hybrid efficiency is 35 MPG (US EPA). Higher speed will drop the efficiency.
Hi Brian. Do you know if charging the Tuscon PHEV to 100% often, or leaving it at 100% will contribute to battery degradation? It seems draining the battery is not an issue, but I wonder if there is a buffer at the top?
It’s a fair point and I can’t answer with any empirical evidence unfortunately.., on full EV the advice seems to be operate ideally between 20 and 80% to combat degradation .. on phev like you say it has the low level buffer .. hmmm I think most people will charge to 100 to get decent usage from their EV drive but I suppose technically you could use the idea of charging to max 80-90% like an EV driver would .. the battery will have warranty and is covered for a drop below 70% state of charge so I reckon use it to 100 % and if it fails 🤷🏻♂️ let warranty sort it 🙂
Please help me ! When i have started hyundai stargazer then the display show “Battery discharging Due to the external electric device”. What is the problem ?
Does it say external device or auxiliary device do you have any accessories wired into the vehicle?
Have a quick look at this video 🙂czcams.com/video/bjisk2MgmsU/video.htmlsi=FJW6T-bU-uLihIG1
Hi Brian. I understand the PHEV has both a 12 volt AGM battery and a traction EV battery. If you drive a lot in EV does the 12v run down or does the 12v battery get charged either while driving in EV without the engine running or while it is plugged in and recharging.
It’s a very good question … on a full EV like Kona the high voltage battery charges the 12 volt battery .. I looked in the manual and I can’t see the answer to your question on a PHEV .. I would imagine the petrol engine contributes to charging the 12v battery .. I can only theorise here but I suspect the battery should still be able to support charging the 12v battery also .. the reason I say this is that if you were to drive 50 kms without the 12v battery taking a charge it wouldn’t could deteriorate the battery quite quickly … unfortunately I can only theorise on that .. sorry I couldn’t help better 🙂
@@doolanbrian Interesting. Thanks for the quick response. There has been some discussion on this on one of the Tucson forums. The light Hybrid version has a battery "reset button/function" that can be used if the 12v battery runs down and the car can't be started. For the PHEV, it's a bit of a mystery as the button if it exists isn't in the same spot and there's no mention of it anywhere in the manual. We have a PHEV and drive in EV mode a lot. Hopefully the 12v battery is charged somehow by plugging in the car or from the traction battery or we risk running it down. It hasn't happened so far and PHEV owners aren't complaining yet.
@@alanmusgrave4502 I know what you mean .. the thing I can see is that the heating triggers the engine so I don’t think that will drain it but I suppose it would be logical for the phev high voltage battery to run the alternator and consequently the battery … but I can’t be sure unfortunately 🙂
@@doolanbrian Found something in the manual on the; 1-43 covers it. There’s a setting described under “Aux. Battery Saver+” (Plug-in hybrid vehicle); there is a function that monitors the charging status of the 12V auxiliary battery. If the auxiliary battery level is low, the main high voltage battery charges the auxiliary battery. It can be turned “off” but should is set to “on” when delivered :)
@@alanmusgrave4502 wow .. I saw that reference but thought it was only generic hyundai battery info for full EV like Kona .. that’s great work ! Well done 🙂
Does the horsepower and torque output decrease after the battery is depleted? What is your mpg after the battery is depleted?
265 with battery charged .. circa 235 without the battery fully charged 🙂
Realistic fuel efficiency is 6/7 l/100 kms if not charged
I was about to rent a car for a trip to Iceland and scoped a RAV4. I was all set to book the car until I noticed it was a AWD-I plugin hybrid. I wanted nothing to do with the car because I don't want to spend my vacation looking for charging stations and waiting hours before a battery fully charged. I was about to dimiss the RAV4 until I watched your video. So, as I understand it - I don't have to charge the car at all and it will basically become a hybrid (more fuel efficient) car as long as the gas tank is full? One more thing I'd like to ask. I understood that the electrical part was responsible for the back wheels of the car and the gas tank for the front wheels. Being a AWD car, will the torque (wheel control) diminish if the car is not charged? I ask because I'm travelling to a remote part of Iceland (the Westfjords) where there are some pretty rough gravel/pothole roads and unpaved mountain roads. Looking forward to your response.
Hey thanks for watching !!!
1. On a Tucson it keeps self charging . The plug in just gives you a bigger EV range but we have customers who have literally never charged their PHEVs for years so not plugging in won’t stop you driving !!! It just means you’ll do less EV driving that’s all . So the RAV should be the same idea .
2. On a Tucson the 4 wd system does not require charge to engage , i would assume that a RAV should be the same . In this case I would give a Toyota garage a quick call and ask them if they can clarify this just to be sure but it would seem like a major weakness if AWD only worked when fully charged so if I was betting I’d say awd is always available but it’s best to ask Toyota. Surprisingly you may find that many garages may not be sure on the answer so if they don’t , get on to the Toyota HQ in your country and they will know.
Sounds like an awesome trip ! I’m jealous!
@@doolanbrian thank you for your advice. I'll put in a call to Toyota and find out. Better to know beforehand. And indeed, Iceland is an amazing place. I went last year and stayed mainly on paved roads ( the Ring Road) and a regular SUV was more than sufficient. This year I'm visiting the Northern part wich is a vast area and requires a sturdy 4WD in some areas with dicy gravel roads with potholes and rocks. So, higher ground clearance and great torque is advisable...But yes, it's an amazing experience and I'm looking forward to it. I highly recommend a visit to Iceland. Specifically in the summer months when the sun doesn't set and you'll have very long days to enjoy Iceland's nature. I could go on and on 😊. Create your opportunity and go if you want to visit. You only live once. Have a great Sunday. 👍🏻
@@HarryOsirian thanks for the reply enjoy the trip and I appreciate the interaction!
Hello I'm currently looking for a outlander phev. Why I'm looking into this car I live in a country where 90% of the driving habits is city driving stop n go and I thought maybe a hybrid is perfect in this situation (correct me if I'm wrong). I really like the outlander phev but it's only available as a plug in my issues is we don't have charging station since I'm Africa electricity is expensive my question is can I own a plug in hybrid without having to plug the battery in order to charge it ?
You can own the vehicle and drive it without charging it using a plug, but it will do a limited amount of electric driving,
the car can probably only regenerate approximately 10% of the battery by itself, it needs to be plugged in to really generate any more than that, does that make sense?
@@doolanbrianyes it does I fully understand I'll consume more fuel than electricity in that case
@@mooauto2388 you are correct! Hope this helps!
With this car fully charge up for a road trip of around 200 kms., can you give me an idea of the number of litres of gas that would be used? The trip would be 90% highway driving at between 100 - 120 kms/hr. Thanks!
Okay the first 50 km would be electric drive that means 150 km will be hybrid drive, I suspect this will do around 7.5 L per 100 km on the motorway drive , so I think the first 50 km will be electric and the remaining 150 km will require approximately 11 L of fuel .. hope that helps!
@@doolanbrian Great video and information. Thanks Brian!
On a long road trip, when the electric runs out will the empty battery put more load on the engine and trans?
I have a question...Does the engine run longer to charge in PHEV mode that a in HV mode. The reason I ask is because I'm trying to decide whether getting a plug in hybrid vehicle is equally or more efficient (despite the fact that a PHEV vehicle battery weighs more) than a hybrid vehicle. My theory is if the battery in a PHEV is larger... that means it may take more fuel to charge it if you run it purely on hybrid mode. So my question is, if I run a PHEV in HV Mode do I get less MPG or KM/L.
From what you're saying on this video, it seems like the PHEV battery is internally SPLIT into two parts. Maybe 50% of the battery is EV only and 50% is hybrid only. So if you are a person who mostly rely on driving on hybrid, would this ONLY charge the 50% of the hybrid portion of the battery or the whole entire battery? let us know, thank you :)
Let me ask you .. how many kms do you do per day ?
@@doolanbrian same for me, I drive 40 KMs per day
@@cyberbud to make the decision of which is better to purchase you need to look at your cost of electricity and the cost of fuel. What country do you live in?
Is the hybrid battery a completely different battery to the ev plug in battery? Or does the car have 2 drive batteries or 1?
Ok … my understanding is that for HEV drive , the car uses about 14% to 17% of the high voltage battery . When the car is charged it uses the remaining 85% of the high voltage battery which is the same battery. This is my understanding of the process
@@foppo101 for first 50 kms or so you will use electric ⚡️ if you have charged it .. once that runs out you will use fuel and a smaller amount of electric usually around 6 l/100 kms 🙂👍
Are PHEV more expansive than HEV? as majority of PHEV qualify for tax credits but HEV don't. But with your video I come to the conclusion IF I don't charge it, I'll just have a HEV and have gotten the tax credit *win win*
Unfortunately I can’t say for sure how prices work in other countries .. in Ireland though the HEV is €2250 less than PHEV 🙂 Thanks for watching !!
Does it have the keyless entry unlock sensors on the back doors handles too?
Yes 🙂🙂
Are you sure?
@@alexneacsu5008 on executive plus model I am 100% sure 🙂
Hi Brian
What is the best price for Tucsan PHEV executive plus for January delivery?
Hi there🙂🙂 , the PHEV executive plus is €47500 .. for discounts or to discuss a trade in give us a shout anytime 045533300 🙂 thanks for watching 💪🙂
@@doolanbrian Many thanks Brian, but still have a final one for you if you don't mind; do you believe that the resale value will be dropped down deeply after 5 years due to the globe target of 2035 of all pure EVs and no more of combustion cars?
@@ahmedhammad23 I really don’t .. the 2035 target is for new vehicles only .. which means 2nd hand ones will still be permitted.. usually the person looking for the 20k secondhand car is not concerned about the price of the new one so they will focus on getting the best they can for their budget .. this in turn will support prices on the used ones when they are being traded in as dealers will still have people looking for eg €20k second hand cars if that makes sense .. I think that how it will work 🙂
Hi whats the gas consumption per 100km once battery has been depleted?
Okay, good question, for mixed driving with say for example, an average 100 km/h. I think realistically you are looking at circa 6.5 L per 100 km
just a short question. If you have to drive with AC/heating ON, does that mean you can no longer drive in EV only?
You are correct, unfortunately the heating overrides electric mode, electric mode is more of a request so if the heating is turned off And you don’t have the accelerator fully depressed, it will become available for you if that makes sense ?
@@doolanbrian so basically we can forget the EV mode in winter time. Now I'm no longer interested in this car. Thank you
@@madalincodrinspanu2549 The way I work it in the winter isI heat the car for the first 10 minutes and then when the cabin is warm I turn off the heating, I can use electric mode then and have the heated seats and heated steering wheel, if the cabin gets cold then I just give it another blast for a couple of minutes and then turn it back off again🙂👍
@@doolanbrian What about air conditioning? The compressor runs off a belt that depends on the engine being on.
I'm not sure how often you need air conditioning, in the summer, but where I live in the US, either the heater is working, or it's the AC. For me, it seems like a pure EV might be a better choice. (Not sure how much electric heat and an electric powered AC would effect total range)
@@billkallas1762 I think this video will help czcams.com/video/cH5cUrST9Go/video.html , you might get more value from an EV instead .. i think you are correct 🙂✌️
Does the HP go down when running as Hybrid with 15% battery power?
It’s 235 Bhp if you have not charged it and 265 BHP if you have charged it 🙂
I understand that if the battery runs out in EV mode, then it switches to hybrid mode automatically. My question is does the gas engine running on hybrid mode recharges the battery fully again at a certain point so that you can run on pure EV mode? Why would you need to plug it in unless you are trying to skip the amount of time the gasoline engine will recharge the battery again? This is what I don't understand.
Battery will only self charge to about approximately 17% or 18%, to charge the remaining amount it needs to be plugged in 🙂
Battery will only self charge to about approximately 17% or 18%, to charge the remaining amount it needs to be plugged in 🙂
Hi Brian... can we start PHEV car, with condition 0% battery ? What happened if we never charge PHEV car manually, will it make battery condition bad in long term?
Hey 👋 the phev battery never gets to 0 , it can self change up to about 17% .. so it can never go to 0 ! 🙂👍
Which means if you never charge it, there is really no issue 🫡
Thanks for your prompt response Brian. Is there any impact on battery health condition in long term, if we never charge the battery manually?
@@ariwisnu we don’t have any information to say it causes a problem 🙂 let me ask though , why buy a phev if you are not going to charge it ??
If I wanted to use a level 2 charger what amperage charger would I need and if I had a 32 amp charger would it work
Correct .. Single phase wall charger: 7kW (32 amps) 🙂👍
@@doolanbrian so I bought a 32 amp charger and my car is maxed out at 16 amp 240 volt the car regulates the charge the information is not anywhere in the Hyundai handbook it's absolutely ridiculous even when your phone Hyundai you can't get the information I just kind of took a chance it only allows 16 amps to charge the car
@@ashplumber4689 the car should charge at approx 6.6 to 7 kw .. ie a full charge should be circa 2 hours 20 min .. how long is it taking you to charge it ? I’m assuming you have Tucson PHEV ? If on the other hand, you own Santa Fe PHEV .. it has a smaller on board charger so it charges at 3.3/3.4 ke which means a 4 hours charge time .. having said that the only cable available in Ireland for both vehicles from hyundai is the 7kw / 32 amp , which model do you have?
@@doolanbrian we just got the Santa Fe at around 3.5 3.6 kilowatt but I did notice after getting the level 2 charger I wasn't getting a full 49 or 50 km charge I was only getting 45 46 km when I use the factory charger which takes 12 hours I was getting the 49 or 50 km
I want to know if the engine ever warms up or is it just going straight from cold?
It’s a good question, probably for a drive that’s only five or six minutes the engine probably won’t warm up very much in hybrid mode , if you have been driving for longer than this, then the engine is continuously starting and stopping, so it will have warmed at that stage… on the other hand, if you drive in electric mode for an extended period then once it runs out. Yes, the engine is initially cold when it has switched from fully electric to hybrid mode. Hope this helps.
@@doolanbrian isn't that bad for the engine?
@@BootLickerGod every time you start a car conventionally it’s cold so the principal isn’t really any different but it’s more frequent in hybrid I guess .. we haven’t come across any issues so far✅
PHEV satisfies all my needs commuting on battery & long trips can be easily managed with occasional liquid fuel top up....now, if that fuel was something renewable it'd close the carbon cycle.
Glad it’ll work for you !! Thanks for watching!!
Informative video..pl also advise what happens to the power output when battery runs out of charge. Does PHEV still give full power when battery is partially drained and taking charge from the engine?
Just to make sure I am trying to understand your question correctly, so my understanding is when the battery is fully charged you have 265 BHP, when the battery is depleted and is only self charging you have about 235 BHP , does this make sense?
@@doolanbrian Thanks. that was exactly my question which is does the total system power out remain the same when battery is charged and partially drained? You have just answered it that its 265hp when batter is fully charged while only 235hp when partially charged and engine is charging it. However the reason i asked is bcz this totally a grey area and nowhere do car companies mention that the max power is produced only when the battery is fully charged..its worth knowing as half the time battery is taking charge from engine and may not be able contribute its full share in total system power..
On the contrary the e power concept (introduced by nissan in xtrail) where engine only works as a generator to charge batteries does not have this limitation and i think full power is delivered by motors at any given time..
@@mazbpl I think you are right on the Nissan, however I’m not sure if the battery is smaller on that vehicle, is it plug-in hybrid I wonder?
@@doolanbrian No Nissan xtrail is not a plun in hybrid..its a hybrid but the engine doesnt drive the wheels. It only turns on to charge the batteries which in turn power the motor to drive the wheels..so the drive is electric in this case as the engine does not directly power the wheels..
@@mazbpl honda has a similar system .. two points here ,
1. the battery will be a lot smaller on the non plug like the honda ..
2. in theory, it’s a nice system but the battery is small it doesn’t drive the car by it self as often as a plug-in hybrid would do it still requires a lot of engine input
I can’t directly comment on Nissan but that’s my experience of the honda 🙂✌️
Okay thats great information. However can someone please explain whether or not a phev has regenerative braking! Does the ice charge the battery at all? Or do you have to stop at charging stations just like a EV?
I really do feel like this is an industry secret or something.
Okay, so say for example you have run out of charge.. the vehicle can use a modest amount of regenerative braking and the petrol engine to recharge a portion of the traction battery that can drive the vehicle
When I watch the screen, basically the battery never gets below 13% and is able to recharge itself up to approximately 16% so this looks like only 3%, however it does allow the car to do short bursts of electric driving .. so you can indefinitely keep driving like this as long as you keep petrol in the vehicle
If you need to charge the battery any further, then you will need to plug it in to allow full electric, driving up to 55 km range
@doolanbrian thank you so much! Not everyone has a 20 mile round trip daily commute! My personal drive is 80. So now I have an understanding.
Is it your experience that most or all Phev operate the same? Or do higher-end vehicles offer a more technological advantage? My desired vehicle is an X3 Phev!
@@Dragandspinn
My understanding would be that they all operate with a similar premise, give or take a few kilometres on the overall range, but I would imagine they are all pretty similar
Wt abt if we use hybrid mode how many miles per literr
In hybrid mode, you should achieve a combined total of around 40 or so mpg.. this would improve if you do a lot of driving under 100 km/h or alternatively if you do a lot of driving at approximately 120 km/h this figure may slightly disimprove
If you go for a long run in a phev, how long can u go before u need to load it to keep that "150mpg" state???
If you’re aiming for 150 mpg, you would need to knock out around 50 km of electric driving and then probably cover an additional 10 or 15 km of hybrid driving, Does that make sense?
@@doolanbrian ok so u cant run 200 km combine gas electric when u need to go on Trips. communicate i would use his ev every day. If i cant get the low consumption in Long Trips i think i just go for Pure ev that manage more than 200km
@@MrBlackJava you can drive as far as you want .. but if the first 50 kms is EV , then all kms after that are combined fuel/battery.. the further you drive , the lower the MPG’s become until you charge again 🙂🙂
If I drive on a long road-trip in Hybrid or smart mode, can it charge the battery fully?
What if there's a long downhill section (really long, descending from the mountains)?
It’s a good question … I’ve not ever experienced the car self charge anymore thank circa 17% so I would not see it fully self charging … theoretically even if it was possible I doubt there is a long enough downhill road to fully self recharge 🙂🙂 thanks for watching!
@@doolanbrian Assuming ~33 miles (US units EV range) is also the range required to fully charge the battery, then yes, there is.
With a regular hybrid, such a road could easily charge the small battery many times over, as well as drain it, such that only the engine would power the car, if going uphill.
Here is what I am guessing:
1. On a normal highway trip, the car will drop to ~15% charge at the first part of the trip, then maintain about this amount throughout the remainder of the trip.
This is because the car does not know when the trip will end, so if it tries to fully charge the battery, it would have reduced your trip's efficiency to do it, instead of letting you plug it in at home.
2. It will charge the battery on downhill sections, no matter how long, when engine breaking / breaking is done. With a long enough downhill section, it will exceed the 15% charge, until the section is over or the battery is full.
@@DavidDLee we need to find a 33mile hill 🙂🙂
@@doolanbrian I've been meaning to buy this car for months, but too few are available and a dealer mark-up, so I'm still waiting.
Maybe early next year, I'll be able to test it 🙂
How long does it take to charge a plug in hybrid on a public charger ?
This phev Tucson can only charge on AC charging .. in the public network that would be circa 2 hours 🙂👍
@@foppo101 what do you think it’s overpriced ? What are you comparing it to?
it doesn't have the ability to heat up the cabin using a resistive heather of some sort? at all? well that is kind of lame since its one of the advantages of electric heathers(despite the fact that they use the energy that could be used to move the car). this morning i got to my EV to move it to the other side of the parkinglot to collect my stuff. the windsheild was completely frozen. but the car managed to defrost the bottom half of it in about 20s. in my experience, it takes quite a bit longer to do the same using the heathing of a normal car.
Sounds like you are only going to drive in full EV mode in the Summer, since you need the gas engine to heat the engine coolant. At least in winter, you can run in Hybrid mode to heat the car up, and then think about switching to EV mode, for a few miles.
Spot on Bill .. you are correct !
Learned something new.
Thanks for watching ✌️🙂
Very well explained. If you can confirm that the gas engine will kick in or not when i turn on air conditioning on a hot day, while driving in EV mode only? Thanks
In my dads “self charging” Prius Hybrid, the engine does have to be turned on for it to have the air con/heating controls, I would imagine this would be similar in other PHEVs as well!
@@robertdoyle7399 Thank you Robert!
I have tried this before on Santa Fe during the summer I found that the engine had to run when the air-conditioner was on
So you have to drive around in a cold car in the winter if you want to use EV mode. It’s a bit like buying a house and not turning the heating on.
@@kevinwalsh3293 You have to be flexible when looking at alternative fuel types, so similarly with electric cars, if people want to maximise the range they have to cut back on how often they use the heater, it’s just the way things are, That’s why so many of these vehicles come with heated steering wheel and heated seats, for example in this case the best way to use this vehicle is to use it as a hybrid when you require air-conditioning and heating and then at those times that you don’t you will be able to maximise use of the full electric drive, like what I was saying you just have to be flexible, if you can’t be flexible , Then you’ve got to stick with what you prefer and that’s usually something full hybrid or conventional petrol or diesel if that makes sense?
Thank you sir. How far did you get on full EV
Sound john .. she did about 55 kms 🙂 with heating off .. thanks for watching .. hope it made sense ! Sorry about the poor quality!
Brian Doolan at Fitzpatricks Garage Kildare . Thanks Brian, sorry for all the questions it because I am interested in a Tucson. I live about 60 kilometres from Dublin so M1 and M50 each day. Rest of my travel is in Dublin. Total average is 250 kilometres per day. Should I go for diesel or Plug in. I prefer the plug in interior. Thank you. Great video really appreciate the time you take to put them up
@@johndillon1226 thank you for watching!! Ok so I reckon 250 kms per day , the PHEV will average about 6 l/100 kms assuming you do just one charge before that 250kms journey .. the diesel car should average again about 5.5/6 l/100 kms .. the PHEV at the time of the video is about €5500 more .. so why would you go phev ???? For me PHEV is 4wd , it’s 265 Bhp and it’s auto .. I would not do it to save money .. I’d do it because it’s a nice car 🙂🙂
What about using drive-charge mode button ? should I use it on a highway, because it uses more gas.
When you say drive charge mode button, do you mean the button that says HEV/EV?
@@doolanbrian no, I got an option in my KIA Optima 2017. It's uses more engine power to charge phev battery to the max which is why it used more gas In about 30 minutes I can charge battery to 70% at high speed. It charges more quickly compared to normal engine/ regenerative breaking method.
@@TroubleDrivers that’s cool, we don’t have that option, I’ve never heard of it, but it sounds like a great idea! Thank you for watching
@@doolanbrian but it uses a lot of gas like a V12 engine consumption.
@@TroubleDrivers 🙂😀ok that’s not ideal 😆 but still a cool system !
I bought Kia Niro PHEV, when I run out of charge and car running on Hybrid, it becomes heavy and take too much acceleration from a stop point. Also making sounds, but after that it behave normal, but if again Stop on signal, it again take too much force acceleration. I’m too much worried, what could be the reason ???
It’s very difficult to help you on this as I’m not really sure exactly what is happening, it could be completely normal but I really have to drive the car with you to understand.. do you live close to a Kia dealership?
@@doolanbrian yes I live close to dealership. Should I go and get it checked?
@@amjadishaque5590 if you are concerned ask for their opinion, if they drive it and think it’s ok then you have nothing to worry about 🙂
Will normal driving completely charge the battery? Say, if keep it in hybrid mode, does it completely charge the battery? Or will I need to plug-in to charge?
It can only self charge a portion to allow it to do small bursts of electric driving.. you will need to charge it if you want a significant electric driving range up to 50 km👍🙂
@@doolanbrian So if I don't charge it, it will behave like a normal hybrid car?
@@ricolasbest6861 for hyundai yes 👍 … try this video 🙂 czcams.com/video/I_7GLkPonJ4/video.htmlsi=GpMA8FgaZCyTeJjL
@@doolanbrian thanks
excellent thanks
Thanks for watching!
Could show how the headlights are?
This video here will probably help better! czcams.com/video/8_Yz2Cvqbgs/video.html
@@doolanbrian thanks 😊
Is Brian a Hugh Hrant's brother!?
That’s an insult to Hugh grant 🤣🤣
I like your video, but could you talk and go a little slower, you're very helpful as I was curious how this works, and now I know more to buy a PHEV or a Hybrid. I’d buy a Hybrid for more simplicity. I don't care to plug in a cable every time the battery needs recharge. Thanks again.
Totally apologise, unfortunately I talk very fast, thank you for watching I appreciate it
You can slow him down to 75% or less of his usual tempo using the settings menu.
@@YudronWangmo 🙈🙈🤣👍
When the electric motor has used all it's charge, I have a lot of heat coming from the motor I guess and entering my vehicle as if I would have the heating at maximum. Did anyone experience that and should I have it checked?
Where do you feel the heat coming from , front of car , rear ?? 🙂
From the vents
@@doolanbrian
@@j.belair7091 next time, it happens, just check whether your heating is on or off at the time it reverts back to Hybrid?
@@doolanbrian it was definitely off. I checked and it's not the 1st time.
@@j.belair7091 it’s tough for me to guess based on the information, it’s definitely something I would ask the dealer have they come across before … I haven’t had a complaint like it but I would like to experience it to be more specific
8:10. “14 kM later…”. That’s called _reserve._
I have never encountered reserve on phev ? .. it’s not in the manual and it doesn’t appear to be in any of the technical bulletins are you 100% sure there is a reserve ? I don’t know everything and i always stand to be corrected ! If you have more information please do send a link, I just haven’t come across it before thank you for watching
What car is he driving?
Hi John , thanks for watching, in this video I was driving Tucson plug-in hybrid comfort plus
Thanks for the reply
PHEV batteries are NOT SLIGHTLY larger that are significantly larger.
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@@doolanbrian Thanks for the insult from 1959.
@@henrymiecz8566 no insult intended .. I was acknowledging the information you provided 👍
1.2L is around 234mpg
For what - thirty miles?
Interesting that you call it a Pee Aitch Eee Veee. I just call them a Fev 🤷🏻♂️
Local dialects- thanks for watching!
Hope he was not using his phone to video his cars interior!?
Hey Michael .. I have lots of driving videos using headcam with two hands on the wheel, 🙂👍
Great how one person can drive, video and talk safely (NOT). I guess you drive and text too.
Look at my videos, two hands on the steering wheel, camera that faces me is away .. nothing unsafe about wearing a headcam while driving 🤷🏻♂️ and a dash mounted sat NAV bracket for facing the camera to me .. it might seem like a low quality and amateur production but it takes a few hours to edit a video like this afterwards, i think it’s an unfair comment 😞 .. having said that thanks for watching 🙂
Normal speed 120 lol
120 is our speed limit in ireland 🇮🇪 🫡🙂
Can't follow this man, speaks to fast.
I get that a lot unfortunately, what country are you from? Out of curiosity 🙂
I'm from the Netherlands.
@@TONY-ie3nj sorry you couldn’t understand 😞 I have relations in Rotterdam , they can’t understand me either 🫣🙂
Thanks. Great video demonstrates perfectly why PHEVs are a cruel greenwashing hoax on conscientious consumers. 3 works loads (propel mass pushing air out of the way, carry extra payload of spare battery and spare drive train, run a generator). Hence the woeful petrol MPG on long trips (ie worse than a V8). Also market data shows people unfortunately do not plug these in twice a day every day as designed and revert to driving them as petrol hybrids. Hence the higher true CO2 output and poor real world mpg. If only people didn't fatigue after the novelty period and kept plugging them in twice a day every day, then they could actually achieve more electric milage. OPEC love these things. With home charging on night rate electricity BEVs are actually more convenient because you only need to plug them in once or twice a week at home.
I drove from Killarney to Meath last Sunday in HEV mode .. in other words, I hadn’t charged the vehicle, 6.5 L per hundred kilometres for reference. It’s not terribly dissimilar to the HEV despite the extra weight.
People who do well with these vehicles, do a lot of short, stop start driving in other words less than 50 km per day, and the people that do the best have access to free charging in the workplace .
I wonder where the batteries are made? Or what's inside the batteries and how that mineral get's there? Also, where does the electricity from the charging stations come from??? So many questions. So little answers. I wonder why 🤔
@@HarryOsirian Lithium is harvested from Sea Water not mined in the conventional sense of mining, Cobalt almost eliminated from BEV batteries, yet it it used more to manufacture catalytic converters and in the oil refining process, and also the battery in the electronic device you asked the question. In Ireland's case the electricity comes from the national grid which is already close to 50% wind and on target to achieve 80% wind energy by 2030, and 100% green by 2040. Some public charging stations already use exclusively wind generated energy. Many homes (approx 60,000 in Ireland currently) with solar panels charge their cars from the Sun from April to September without recourse to the grid, albeit at night during winter in Ireland the grid has a huge wind energy component. Hope that helps. Cheers.
'a cruel green washing hoax', what bollocks.
Whether a phev/ ice/ bev works for you depends entirely on how you use a car. I'm on my second bev and I'm replacing my other car, a diesel, with a phev. That's because I do mostly short trips and can recharge every night, but I also do an infrequent long trip that the bev makes no sense for- if I have to charge it away from home at 55p/ kWh I might as well use diesel.
For that use, a phev is perfect. It will do the 90% of my short range mileage - 50 miles a day school run - and also the 500 mile round trip 6 times a year, plus holidays.
If you do a mix of long & short range, a phev makes complete sense.
In the old days when most cars did 300+ miles at 35-50mpg, and refuelling l stations were common, how you use a car didn't matter. Now it does, because some choices have limited range and expensive & sparse refuelling options
@@martinw5766 Good for you kind sir