5 Heroic Deaths in Star Wars (That Weren't Necessary)
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Star Wars is full of glorious sacrifices and last stands, many of them have had a huge impact on the course of the galaxy... but in some of these cases did the hero really have to give their lives?
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In my opinion, Obi Wan's death was actually smart, since by connecting to the Force, he was able to tell Luke how to destroy the Death Star, and I don't think he would've believed it if he told him in person, Luke needed to see what the Force was trully capable of. Of perseveering after death.
It was definitely smart and the best case scenario likely but I still feel like if he wanted to obi could’ve survived the fight
@@11bluekitkats Oh, he absolutely COULD have, but the entire point of letting himself die was to make Luke hate Vader enough to kill him before he could find out the truth
@@DavidbarZeus1 I wouldn’t say Obi wanted Luke to hate him but he did want Luke to see Vader as he was and to have motivation to kill him
@@11bluekitkats We are going to have to agree to disagree on that. Between the lie about Vader murdering Anakin and letting Vader kill him, I’m convinced that him and Yoda only ever saw him as a weapon against Vader and Palpypie
@@DavidbarZeus1 really I think they wanted him to kill Jim but they were trying to keep him away from anger and the dark but I see your opinion and I respect it
I disagree with Darth Vader. He knew that he would not live through a trial, and even if he did, he’d have to live in his suit in a prison for the rest of his life. There was no more life for him.
Even without, that basic narrative rules *require* a BBEG like Palpatine to take someone with him to prove how nasty a threat he was. And since Vader and the hero were the only other people in the room...
Being free from the dark side meant being free from the suit. Unfortunately that meant death. Fortunately there is more for those who return to the light
Yeah and if Vader had lived the rebels probably would've executed him for war crimes
@@nicholashodges201 'BBEG'?
Big Bad Egotistical Guy?
It would also hurt Leia's poltical carrier
"he can go back to the light side, maybe not hes a war criminal" dont worry even before he became darth vader he had the most war crimes of any general in the clone wars, war crimes wont be the problem
Maybe more than any other Republic general; Grevious definitely outranked everyone, on both sides, by orders of magnitude, in terms of war crimes
@@davidpahlman8166 Grievous would burn down an orphanage if he just happened to be bored, so it's needless to say that he doesn't count in that competition.
Yeah I don't think war criminal and Jedi are mutually exclusive
@@scoutman66 Greivous was a fear monger for the sith and the separatists.
Ki-Adi-Mundi breaking out the flamethrowers disagrees.
2:57 For Kanan Jarrus, it was heavily implied that the wolves of Lothal influenced his decision and Asoka saying he became one with the cosmic force. Seems like he was doing somethin similar to the effect of Obi wan losing in front of Luke. Not only becoming one with the cosmic force but also inspiring from beyond the grave and teaching Ezra shit still. Not in ghost form but in wolf spirit form
I think Obi-Wan's sacrifice was important to prove to Luke the power of the force and that the force is real. Luke was struggling with his belief in the force at the beginning of A New Hope. Immediately after Obi-Wan is cut down, his voice is heard by Luke urging him to run. He became stronger through his sacrifice than he could have ever been alive.
More powerful than you could possibly imagine
Holdo destroyed the Rebel-istence then sacrificed herself, she was a excellent traitor.
Yeah I honestly thought it was utterly stupid to let the ships behind with full crew to get destroyed one by one instead of using escape pods, cause I'm pretty sure ships like that either have escape pods or smaller ships to hold people right???? God last Jedis a headache.
@@MusicFan752 and, gee I don’t know, could’ve also used the escape pods as a diversion.
9:34 Did you know that Tala Durith was portrayed by Indira Varma who acted in Game of Thrones as Ellaria Sand?
Her lover was Prince Oberyn Martell who was portrayed by Pedro Pascal aka Din Djarin from The Mandalorian.
Nope!
She also died _twice_ in Torchwood …
The second time was one of their best episodes and very chilling (for a Doctor Who show).
_They keep killing Suzie._
Gwen: So what’s out there?
Suzie: Nothing. Just nothing.
Gwen: But if there’s nothing, what’s the point of it all?
Suzie: This is. Driving through the dark. All this stupid tiny stuff. We’re just animals howling in the night. ‘Cause it’s better than silence.
Gwen: So when you die, it’s just-
Suzie: Darkness.
Gwen: And you’re all alone, there’s no one else?
Suzie: I didn’t say that.
Gwen: What d’you mean?
Suzie: Why do you think I’m so desperate to come back? There’s something out there… in the dark.
And it’s moving.
And Daenerys used to date Han Solo… I’m not sure where that fits in, but there it is.
😁
@@patrickstewart3446 ohhh the not Harrison Ford han solo lol, you got me stumped there for a minute mr stewart lmao
@@patrickstewart3446 Indeed. Make it so Numbawan!
Obi-wans death was crucial to the plot line. Originally, George Lucas wanted Obi to survive his encounter but when it came to the writing and obis actual character, there wasn’t much to do with him so George’s wife at the time had an idea to bring the force full circle and show the true power of, hence his demise.
I wouldn't call Holdo's sacrifice heroic. She basically pussied out from a problem that she 100% caused herself.
My issue with Kanan's death is that Ezra was also present. I see no reason he couldn't have picked up Kanan with the Force and pulled him aboard the ship as it was leaving while Kanan held back the explosion.
Yea it’s like he forgot how to use the force
I’m not sure if he was experienced or strong enough for something like that.
Or he couldve just held the explosion while Kanan got on board. The Force is telepathic, so there isn't really an exact range (Darth Vader snapped the neck of someone who was literally on a different ship), and by this point, Ezra is very experienced in the Force, so he couldve absolutely held the explosion back, allowed Kanan to get on board, and then let go when they are all in safe distance from the explosion.
Who bright idea was it to have an LZ on a fueling tank? That so dumb.
@@GenerationTech Jedi always forget they're force sensitive in bad situations.
With Obi-wan, there's also the fact that Luke & them needed to leave right away and there was a big risk that Luke would be unwilling to leave Obi-wan behind. Even a short delay could lose them their chance to escape.
Obi-wan can have the force help him make the best choice, right?
I disagree with Obi-Wan being on this list. His sacrifice motivated Luke to become a Rebel, and it gave Vader a bigger head than his helmet could hold. Obi-Wan knew he'd still be able to get Luke to Yoda anyways, so there was little risk involved.
Edit: He also could've been scared to take on a new apprentice after the whole Order 66 thing and figured Yoda would be a better teacher. Obi-Wan could still be a motivational factor for Luke.
Obi-Wan also told Vader "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" during that fateful fight. Obi-Wan could have realized during his exile how torn and tormented Vader was. How there may have still been a sliver of Anakin still inside that metal body. How that small part of Anakin could still consider Obi-Wan a brother.
Even during that fight, he may have tried one last time to rescue Vader by talking sense in him. We don't exactly know what Obi-Wan was thinking during that fight. He may very well have been flashing back to the dual on Mustafar. He could have been remembering the times they trained. He could have been restraining himself from making a killing blow. As the fight went on, and it became obvious that Vader's anger was so deep for Obi-Wan's "betrayal" on Mustafar, there was no way Obi-Wan could turn him back. However, just like on Mustafar, he couldn't bring himself to kill him, even in defense. It would cause him too much pain and grief.
During final moments of the duel, as they were making their way back to the hanger bay, Obi-Wan looked over and saw Luke, and it clicked in his head.
He may not be able to save Anakin, but his son may just be able to.
And thus, in that split second, Obi-Wan realized that he truly did fail Anakin. Even before Mustafar. His lack of awareness, discipline, and leadership had caused Anakin to fall to temptation, and fear. If he died here, by Anakin's hands, it was justified by The Force.
But there still was a way for Anakin to find the light, and find another reason to live. And that was his son, Luke. And it would have to be Luke, alone.
If Obi-Wan were to escape alive now, it would only add more hatred and anger to Vader's fury towards him. Should Vader find out the truth that Luke was his son, while Luke was still training under Obi-Wan, Vader would surely kill Luke in a blind rage, much like Padme, justifying that Obi-Wan had turned Luke against him as well.
Thanks to Qui-Gon's instructions, he was almost ready to communicate through The Force with the living. He wild be able to train Luke, or at the very least, guide him to Yoda to start his formal training.
This was it for him. His mission was finished. And so, he raised his saber, and allowed Vader an unhindered killshot to finally bring them both inner peace, and put an end to both of their pain.
I agree that Obi-Wan didn't belong on this list. I have a different reason, he was still trying to teach/turn Anakin. Think of the struggle withing Darth Vader. He is the master in his own mind, and yet he never could defeat his own master. Obi-Wan wasn't cut in half, he disappeared before the light saber struck. The doubt it must have planted in Darth Vader about his power, and sith training. One doesn't control the force, one works with it. I think if Obi-Wan had not done what he did, Anakin would have never turned on the emperor later.
More than that, the only way Luke could do what he needed to do in the trench by *embracing* the force. The only way to really do that was by being IN the cockpit with Luke so he could influence him.
And it gives Luke personal a reason to stop VADER, whereas before his issue was with the empire itself.
@@treelym he disappears as soon as Vader's saber hits flesh. It's pretty clear in the novelization and other adaptations.
Him disappearing early in the movie was an artifact of FX tech at the time with gives us the look of Sir Alec vanishing before the hit.
Every time you've a shot like this before about 89-90 the vanisher will disappear a split second before the thing that vanishes them actually touches them.
It's a deceptively hard FX shot to make well
I agree as well, The way Obi-Wan died psyched out Vader, I he tried to fight he way out I could have been really messy.
"A Captain really doesn't have to go down with their ship."
Unless they screwed the Hell up, *REALLY* badly.
Also, I like how the deleted scene from Phantom Menace was used, where Anakin was fighting with another kid, that ended up being Greedo....which is another good episode, 'unnecessary character introduction'.
9:52 I hope Quinlan Vos make a live action appearance eventually since he was mentioned and built up as the leader of the Path underground movement where Tala Durith was their undercover spy.
If you just wanna see him for a sec, he's in the phantom menace! lol he's chillin in the bg when baby anakin pulls that whole "you cant hurt me cause I'm a slave and worth money" mindfuck on sebulba. Oh and he there doing undercover stuff! That's like, 2 out of 3 right?
Captain purple hair atleast did something right
Removed herself from the movie
With Kanan, I see the force as functioning somewhat like hunter x hunter's nen, where extreme acts require equally extreme sacrifices. If Kanan was unwilling to sacrifice himself to let his family live, he wouldn't be able to do it, culminating in Ezra's own sacrifice in the finale where he flings himself and Thrawn into the unknown region. I think Luke's death in 8 also functioned like this. And I am a fan of this trope, Jedi are not omnipotent gods, but they are at their most powerful when they're willing to give up their life to save others.
The Nen power system is really interesting with how it plays with restrictions. Sometimes its not necessarily sacrifice but rather activation conditions. The sacrifice comes if those conditions are broken (Kurapika's chain jail comes to mind).
Hisoka and Pitou though...yeah those are good examples of sacrifice for sure. Postmortem nen abilities are busted and rightfully so.
I really like this idea.
It also would explain Darkside abilities. The more cruel the act, the more powerful it becomes.
also if kanan didnt die star wars rebels would just be another show that has been poorly written (still is), because it was made for kids not for all ages, literally stormtroopers are like lvl 1 droids, but yeah star wars rebels is just made out of luck
@@thebigww9108 rebels is alright, arguably even good. The first season was meh, but the later seasons especially when thrawn came in were cool
@@thebigww9108 Not to mention its super annoying trope of "lightsaber cuts blaster = storm trooper is out of combat", as if they wouldn't carry backup weapons or grenades. But no, we can't have the good guys killing someone. Well, at least not through lightsabers, killing them with blasters is still fine of course.
After the prequels, Clone Wars and now the Obi Wan show, I've come to see Obi Wan in a different light. He constantly patronized Anakin and treated him like a child. When Anakin was having horrible nightmares, Obi Wan didn't care. He just told him to ignore them and wait for them to go away. He faked his death so he could go undercover, and despite most of the Jedi council knowing, he didn't tell Anakin. During their fight on Mustafar, Obi Wan dismembered Anakin and left him to burn alive. And during their fight in the new show, Obi Wan pelts him with boulders, smashes the panel that regulates his life support systems, cuts open his mask...and just leaves him there to slowly suffocate.
Anakin has done a lot of horrible things, but all I can feel for him is pity. And as I've gotten older and looked at Obi Wan in a more critical, objective light...it becomes pretty clear that he was a bad friend and kind of a dick to Anakin. I'm sure some part of him still cared for Anakin and that's why he couldn't bring himself to finish the job, but leaving him to slowly die in agony is a cruel thing to do. Doing it to him _twice_ is even worse. So with all that added context, maybe letting Anakin kill him was Obi Wan's way of apologizing and trying to give him some sort of closure.
This is why I can't put Obi-wan on my favorites list.
What about Wade? That pilot from the Kenobi series? Should've turned around and gunned it, but just kept shooting
Vader didn't have his lightsaber. It was in his hand that was cut off by Luke
The saddest part of Tala Durith's death scene was Ned-B also getting taken out.
I think Obi-Wan's death very much was necessary. If you know the history behind them, you'll understand.
When Obi-Wan told Vader "If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" during that fateful fight, it could have been as a sign of realization.
Obi-Wan could have realized during his exile on Tatooine how torn and tormented Vader was. How there may have still been a sliver of Anakin still inside that metal body. How that small part of Anakin could still consider Obi-Wan a brother.
Even during that fight, he may have tried one last time to rescue Vader by talking sense in him. We don't exactly know what Obi-Wan was thinking during that fight. He may very well have been flashing back to the dual on Mustafar. He could have been remembering the times they trained. He could have been restraining himself from making a killing blow. As the fight went on, and it became obvious that Vader's anger was so deep for Obi-Wan's "betrayal" on Mustafar, there was no way Obi-Wan could turn him back. However, just like on Mustafar, he couldn't bring himself to kill him, even in defense. It would cause him too much pain and grief.
During final moments of the duel, as they were making their way back to the hanger bay, Obi-Wan looked over and saw Luke, and it clicked in his head.
He may not be able to save Anakin, but his son may just be able to.
And thus, in that split second, Obi-Wan realized that he truly did fail Anakin. Even before Mustafar. His lack of awareness, discipline, and leadership had caused Anakin to fall to temptation, and fear. If he died here, by Anakin's hands, it was justified by The Force.
But there still was a way for Anakin to find the light, and find another reason to live. And that was his son, Luke. And it would have to be Luke, alone.
If Obi-Wan were to escape alive now, it would only add more hatred and anger to Vader's fury towards him. Should Vader find out the truth that Luke was his son, while Luke was still training under Obi-Wan, Vader would surely kill Luke in a blind rage, much like Padme, justifying that Obi-Wan had turned Luke against him as well.
Thanks to Qui-Gon's instructions, he was almost ready to communicate through The Force with the living. He wild be able to train Luke, or at the very least, guide him to Yoda to start his formal training.
This was it for him. His mission was finished. And so, he raised his saber, and allowed Vader an unhindered killshot to finally bring them both inner peace, and put an end to both of their pain.
According to the book, Obi Wan didn't think Vader was redeemable until *after* he was looking at his own corpse. It wasn't until he fully let go that he could see the full picture and understand what was happening around him
Very well written. You've just helped to truly make sense of something rather confusing. The key, I think, is that you show that there is more than just one person in need of redemption in the story.
With Tala exploding herself, it could be that she was desperate to avoid capture. She could have secrets to protect or just not want to go through torture. The other dumb behavior makes no sense though...
0:52 Holdo looks more like a Senator's daughter than a military officer to be honest and she has poor communication skills really doesn't exactly inspire leadership.
Didn't Vader lose his lightsaber when his right prosthetic hand was cut off? If anything he could have used the force to grab Luke's saber instead.
Also, I agree with how that firefight in the Kenobi series with everyone lined up shooting each other without cover was very stupid. It reminds me of when someone does a low effort video involving an NPC fight in something like Garry's Mod between Rebels and Combine Soldiers and they're just standing there shooting at one another without moving too much.
Palpatine may have noticed that. Besides, he would have died anyways when the Rebels execute him.
It's R2-D2 creative license right? He's telling the story and thought that was more dramatic and c-3p0 was not around to slap some sense into the bot.
Anakin: I don't need to die with the ships even if I rammed them into the enemies.
Haldo: I need to die with this ship to buy their time!
Vader had lost his right hand and his lightsaber when Luke cut his hand off and he was no match for Palpatine when he was literally disarmed. Taking him by surprise was really the only move he had.
I have to disagree on kanan's sacrifice.
Keeping that explosion contained takes a ton of concentration. And that explosion isn't gonna be nullified from them flying a few meters away. So you got to wonder, at what range does the explosion stop being contained? Let's say he got onto the ship and they flew away, could he have gotten out of it's blast radius before it became exponentially more difficult to stop the explosion
Whenever some friends and I used to get together to share short stories we had written, they’d often get upset with me for not sacrificing characters or having them die. I often argued that it was realistic to the situations and they’d argue it made my story less interesting. It’s not that characters didn’t die or get injured, but only when I felt like that’s what realistically would happen due to decisions made by them or other characters. I often argued that my friends used character deaths to make characters seem more brave, heroic, or some other quality....even if the situation it occurred in didn’t make sense. And especially if it didn’t make sense with the way the character had been established up to that moment. Since my friends whom I engaged in this activity are folks who’ve been published, I’m guessing either it’s something publishers like or the readers like or both. So whenever I see the same thing in movies and tv shows I assume the writers are doing this to please the audience or the studios or both. You make a lot of good points. Points I feel like I would make if I were the writer and I was having to argue with my friends about why their suggestions of ways the characters should die at some moment didn’t make sense for the situation, the characters, etc. Idk, maybe it’s “artistic” to do that in stories. I guess I just don’t understand it. Interestingly whenever I did have characters die they never argued with me that they should’ve lived. I’d tease one of them because there’s some old west video game they liked to play and they would constantly get their horse killed. So whenever he’d start arguing with me about killing my characters I’d remind him that he wastes time in a video game needlessly killing horses only to find out he needs them for missions and has to try to get another one so I didn’t consider anyone who was so inefficient at videogames and killed horses in them because “it’s funny” was anyone whom I wanted to listen to on advice of when it’s a good idea to kill one’s characters in a short story.
Pretty good video! In-depth .
*Saw Gerrera:* Quick, help me to a ship… oh nevermind, I forgot, cyberlegs move pretty fast - look at than Maul dude.
Maul had high quality legs. Saw probably had what ever they could find.
Vader knew that Palpatine could transfer his "essence" to anyone that killed him. So he had to kill Palpatine in a way that also killed him. That's why he told Luke that there was nothing he could do and to let him die. He was hoping that by killing Palpatine and then dying, he would end the reign of the Sith once and for all and bring balance to the force. but....
Somehow...Palpatine has returned.
[Poe must have been playing Fortnight.]
I'm a huge star wars fan, but I always thought it was sick with heroic deaths. Not everybody dies heroically, even heroes. If Tala's death wanted to be more realistic, she should have thrown the detonator and run, been shot anyway, and then died later in an emotional scene with Obi-Wan there
remember remember the fifth of November
This is the way.
Obi wan and kanan were very much spiritual character progression deaths and were needed for luke and ezra to progress as jedi and less I have no option deaths although janan was in avery tuff emotionally driven position and obiwan was probably using his death to show the evil of the empire
Darth Vader probably did not want to live anymore, seeing his son and being there for him for once was enough for him to be satisfied with his life. His existence was miserable and he wanted to leave on a good note. Also he would have been taken into custody, imprisoned, exiled, or executed as he was the second most feared and hated person in the Galactic Empire after Palpatine. So those moments with Luke were really the end of his life either way as he saw it.
In A New Hope Vader was able to sense Obi-Wan aboard the Death Star, Obi-Wan probably knew it and was trying to lure Vader away from Luke and company, and draw the stormtroopers away from the ship at the same time.
Vader could have , after rehab ,unite the remnants of the empire and creat a new empire with thrawn one that was quite ready to fight the threats that were coming from the unknown regions
Tala I agree. I wanted to see her even maybe in Jedi Survivor when I saw part 5 I was like oh.
A lot of people say 99s death was unnecessary which it was don’t get me wrong BUT I think what you have to remember is he’s spent his entire life being basically a janitor when he still has all the mental attributes of his brothers. In his eyes he received an honourable death rather than dying of old age in the mundane existence he’d been forced into by the Kaminoans
Havent watched the video yet, but Kanans death was one of the most beautiful things star wars has ever offered to me. He saved all his friends by thinking quickly and it gave us such a strong emotion, which can be never taken away from us. It was absolutely NECCESSARY
My head canon on Holdo is that did what she did to avoid responsibility for her actions because it was her poor leadership that her subordinates to mutiny understandably because she was waisting manpower on a plan that only she knew and refused to elaborate on what the plan was which if she decided run it by Poe she could’ve come up with a better plan because he’d point out the obvious flaw in the plan. Such incompetence would have you either labeled a spy or a liability/dead weight. So instead the infamous maneuver was merely to salvage whatever reputation she could.
I definitely thought she was a spy when I first saw the movie and was extremely disappointed when I found out she was just massively incompetent.
@@albireotheredguard1599 my point stands that she would’ve gone down as a disgrace in the best scenario if she didn’t do that maneuver
@@Phoenixoflife56 Where as anybody with a lick of common sense knows that she is regardless of any maneuver she pulled off.
@@albireotheredguard1599 exactly
I've explained Holdos 'maneuverer' as only being possible because of the powerful hyperspace tracker on the Supremacy. I figured that the 'lock' that the Supremacy had on the Radus was what allowed Holdo to drive the cruiser right down it's throat and not be pushed away due to various imaginary hyperspace gravity and physics. Usually the ship making the jump would rather go almost anywhere else than into a large mass, like trying to push two magnets together. But the uniquely powerful Tracker the New Order had made a subspacial link to it and forced it to follow this path.
That explains why this was never done before (that we know) and was only possible in these specific circumstances.
Kanan kinda became one with the force.. so even if he was saved by Ezra or anyone, he would’ve faded away into the force. That’s why he gained his sight back.
And the whole “a-wing destroys cruiser” thing is assuming people are willing to kamikaze, which is hard to do
I disagree with Holdo being on this list. Alternatively, I say her death is unnecessarily *heroic*. She has no arc at ALL other than being the bestest evar.
Most of the problems she resolves, SHE created. We have zero attachment to her asa character, and she was an irritant according to most fans
She's also an obvious Trek character who's somehow crossed into Wars.
All in all, the best death for Holdo would have been for her to get sucked out the window in place of Akbar
Holdo dying is the only thing good about her
Should of been Akbar who sacrificed himself with a message "It's a trap!!!!"
That wacky waving inflatable arm tube man bit for no reason was hilarious. 🤣
It was not hilarious! It was priceless. No context, no explanation, no reaction to himself doing so. Why? Because he's Alan, and that's how the Alan do.
Actually the novelization noted that it was the Raddus' unique shields that allowed it to pull off the Holdo Maneuver. I'll let you decide if that makes sense or not, but there's at least an explanation for why only the Raddus could make the sacrifice.
That's seriously the explanation they went with? There have been so many good theories as to how the maneuver could've worked, and they just go with a MacGuffin...
That's a dumb explanation. For starters it still completely ignores how HD works in-universe. It also doesn't even try to take into account how shields work (ie a ship in HD will ricochet off of a planetary shield, but completely ignore a ships shield which WOULD be calibrated to prevent this sort of thing happening by accident?
There's dozens of ways they could've handled that scene that would've worked much better AND they wouldn't wrecked so much trouble in the canon
@@nicholashodges201 She turned off those safeguards exactly to get that result.
@@Dalek97 I'm talking about the shielding in the ship she hit too. According to the established rules for HD *and* shields we'd'v seen the Radis take around 75% of the force with the target taking crippling damage, but not vaporizing as the Radis overloaded the targets shields.
Do not even try using the other on screen collisions as evidence. The Executor kamikaze was into a section that had lost shielding completely and was within the DS2's own shield, and the ram attack in R1 was a low speed (in terms of space travel) collision which has been established in the prequels as a thing that does happen as the shields are shown to operate like the ones in Dune (stops fast objects, just can't "notice" slow objects).
It's still a dumb resolution to a dumb & poorly written script
I think that it was implied in the Obi-wan Kenobi series that Obi-wan was only able to Vader because Vader gets weaker when he becomes indecisive, or when "Anakin comes out". Look back at what Palpatine said to him: "Perhaps your feelings for your old master have left you weakened". This also explains how he lost to Luke in episode 6 as he grew to be attached to him. Anakin's always had more potential than any other force user due to his insanely high midichlorian count. That potential was only reached once he was more experienced. The dark side likely helped him reach that potential a lot quicker too.
Obi-Wan was a true sociopath , he lied to Luke about Vader killing his father then manipulated events to further push Luke toward patricide .
And when confronted about it , his response is " how unfortunate " .
What a scumbag ?
I would argue Vader had to die because he would only be able to get redemption in death for his horrible crimes, And well the galaxy, rebels and Leia would not accept him being free or alive he has to pay for his crimes and role as the 2nd in command of the Empire. Saving his son does not wash over decade of crimes even and letting him go free or exile would just then give every imperial the excuse they need to avoid punishment "You let Lord Vader off for his crimes, And mine where much less severe than his". You see how this quickly will make justice impossible.
There is one thing that bugs me though. Callus almost wiped out the Lasats, but he was allowed in without issue. Nor did he have to pay for his crimes after the war. It just doesn't sit right with me.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Callus who is that again?
@@Historyfan476AD Agent Callus. He was Zeb's rival for season one and two. He became the new Fulcrum after Ahsoka "died".
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Oh that bum, Yeah I thought he died. This is the problem with the disney era people no longer have to pay for their crimes at all or be punished.
In exile on Tatooine, Obi-Wan does a lot of meditating but also a lot of not properly moisturizing.
Holdo is especially infuriating because it introduces hundreds of plot holes that would all have been closed by a simple hand-wave: "Only a force-sensitive person can get the timing right to pull off a Holdo maneuver." Boom, there you go, it can only happen rarely and it requires a (valuable) personal sacrifice. But of course, in the sequels, we can't have nice things.
I mean, for Jedi, death isn't really that much of an ordeal. Especially in the case of Obi Wan, who is virtually unchanged with his death in how he could interact and train Luke.
I'd argue that the light side is self sacrifice, the removal of desire, and the removal of clinging on for the sake of clinging on. Vader had to give in and die in that moment if he was to be truly redeemed, who knows if it would've been possible in the long-term even with Luke's help? Directly after killing the Emperor and saving his son's life was the best and perhaps only moment for Vader to properly redeem himself and let go.
Not sure he would've been able to become a ghost otherwise.
Kanan Jarus aka Caleb Dume had the greatest exit... actually cryed a tear
At 11:58, this reminded me of "RPG Shooter: Starwish".
It may not have needed to happen, but Kanan was one of my favorite jedi and had my favorite jedi death for sure.
2 things. One: Vader likely wanted to die having turned from the dark, and personally throwing Palpatine with his own hands must've been cathartic (still a senseless, death, but it makes sense to Vader). Two: Obi-Wan may have wanted to die and come back as a Force Ghost to teach Luke that light has a way to keep living, thus preventing him from falling like Vader did-- also, him letting himself die so easily denied Vader the pleasure of besting him, thus distracting him.
Without Kanan dying there is a good chance Asoka would not have been rescued, I'm pretty sure that's what the Loth wolf had shown Kanan when he tried to rush in to save Hera during her crash
Obi Wan realized he would be of more help dead than alive. He proved this when he guided Luke to use the Force during the Trench Run.
I definitely agree with Tala's death being cheap. It definitely bothered me. You also bring up a good point with Obi-Wan. I'm surprised I never looked at it like that.
5:30 he did great things. Terrible, but great.
If go to back and watch star wars celebration.. I can't remember what year. But while Dave Filoni was on stage talking about Rebels, nobody seemed to pick it up but he said a couple times that Freddie wanted Kanan to die. I don't know what the deal was with that. But there it is.
Didn’t Vader drop his lightsaber during his showdown with Luke and if that’s the case then how in the hell would he pull it out of his pocket and poke palpatine in the back with it
I knew I recognized the actor that plays talia and she’s the same one who plays Elaria Sand in Game of Thrones. Fantastic actor who keeps getting wasted characters
i have a few bones to pick with the Holdo maneuver topic
1- Anakin already done it and rammed the malevolence in to a moon
2- unless they retconed it for a ship to enter hyper space it needs to be near the speed of light a small ship like an A wing wont work as they reach light speed far to soon where as lager ships take far longer one again the malevolence it took so long to get to speed it hit the moon in real space not the mass shadow in hyper space.
Holdo could have had any droid take her spot, and not sacrifice her leadership role of the Resistance... especially when the fate of Leia wasn't known yet, and so many leaders had died and put her in command in the first place -- as the last hope/option. Palpatine could have easily moved himself closer to the bridge he passes in freefall as he is falling down the Death Star shaft... since we see Maul, Qui-Gon Jinn, and Kenobi do that in TPM, as well as countless others. 😀
Character wasnt even necessary period. Hell a heroic sacrifice would have been a good way to deal with Carrie Fisher dying during production.
With Holdo it could very easily be said that whatever droids they do have that are capable of ship command might be hard coded against unsafe hyperspace actions, sort of like how 3po has integral programming that prevents translating the Sith language (I assume Anakin didn't code the OS since it's just stated that he built him, and the OS would just be scavenged or bought).
I wouldn't be surprised if preventing droids from making unsafe and improperly navigated Hyperspace jumps was a precaution added to prevent events similar to the great disaster from THR.
It also isn't quite something you can ask of a lower officer, at least not in that kind of military (maybe if it was run by Saw Gerrera or something ordering a trooper on a guaranteed suicide mission would be normalised).
Why am I the only nerd who remembers the "Holdo maneuver" was actually set up by Han Solo in the previous movie? First Order shields use a special setting that allows things going at hyperdrive to slip through. That's how they got the Millennium Falcon on to Starkiller Base. That's why the hyperdrive ram worked on them, and also why the maneuver is not typically used in other battles. Because other factions are smarter and don't use janky refresh rates on their shields.
The only plot hole is the First Order is especially incompetent.
Mainly because 'THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE I MEAN HYPSERPSACE WORKS'
As my dad once said, funnily enough long before this film came out, assuming that's how hyperspace works, a tiny pebble on the hyperspace lane would rip right through any capital ship, annihilating it's internal systems and shredding it into little bits of scrap metal
@@historicflame972 Now that I think about, that is pretty true lmao. Props for your dad for making a random internet user laugh
That’s not why the manoeuvre was not that common. It’s difficult to do because you have to hit the ship literally, the second before you enter hyperspace. It requires insane accuracy.
Up to that moment in star wars legends and canon, hyperspace travel had no actual speed in the kinetic energy sense, hyperspace travel is transiting another dimension and the appearance of ships zooming away was referred to as pseudomotion... ie the ship is not actually moving thats just your view of space folding around it. So if you hyperspace jump into something the only way it might be effective is if you exit directly inside it, but the damage should be on the scale of a regular collision because that's the only speed you have.
@@joshuagarnham9703 so strap a navicomputer and hyperdrive to a thousand asteroids and go to town
Alan’s looking so relaxed today 😝
Good points all
Completely agree with all of these. I would even throw in 99, there’s no reason for him to run for more ammo, there were only a handful of droids left. That’s not even half of it, but it is enough to make his death very cartoonish and unnecessary for me
he also technically responsible for killing havoc or who ever blue arc trooper is
havoc turned around and telled 99 to leave and then died
1:15-1:26 Iirc her plan didn't fail because of that; it failed because of the whole side quest with Finn and Rose and the hacker selling them out. Also, she did not properly communicate her plan to Poe or anyone else (or the fact that she even *had* a plan even if the details needed to be confidential) which was a major factor in the aforementioned mutiny *and* the reason why Finn (and Rose) embarked on the side quest to begin with.
Theres one problem with your theory. Admiral Holdo wanted to die. She realized what a horrid general she was and didnt want to weigh down the resistance any more than she already had.
Na holdos death was her own fault. It was her pride that got her killed. She was put in the position do to her experience and injanuity (her injanuity did give her redemption, but it was far to late to save anyone) but had vary little actual battlefield exsperience and an inability to trust or during a time when all that stud between life and death was trust in you people.
I actually don’t see Vaders death as pointless. All he wanted to do was save his son even after he killed the emperor. He also fulfilled the prophecy of the chosen one and at that point I don’t think Vader even wanted to be saved because he saw himself and irredeemable.
Hmm
I wish Jabiim got a little bit more on it, even one line from Obi-wan remembering the terrible campaign would've canonized the whole thing
pretty certain the autopilot didn't work, and that was why Holdo had to be on it?
One sec - did Vader HAVE his lightsaber available? We don't see what happened to his hand and saber after it was cut off THIS time.
I'm hoping for a "What If" video going over what could have happened if General Leia Organa _didn't_ trust Holdo with commanding the Resistance forces.
Obi-Wan's had to happen as he orchestrated it, to become a martyr for Luke so that Darth Vader can be redeemed by the Jedi Order, without Obi-Wan's death Vader probably could not have turned against the Emperor and the Dark Side. Obi-Wan literally becomes the quote "Strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.".
Kanan Jarrus never was that practical … he lost his eyesight in a Galaxy that has advanced medical technology _and cybernetics,_ yet never bothered to get it fixed.
He had the force
I guess he was just poor (and criminal)
@@imperious8905 wouldn’t eyes and the force be better together
Well…. He was a wanted force user and rebel. Something tells me cybernetic eyes are way more complex than a hand. He may not have been able to get to a medical facility that could handle that job.
A wanted man in the Outer Rim, no less
Well, in stressful situations you don't always choose the smart answer but yeah, "heroes" can be stupid anyway. That's why I'm also a bit iffy when it comes to "heroic deaths".
Obi-Wan just believed he had learn the Sith's secret of not dying to a Lightsaber and that Vader would just walk away.
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But you know if Anakin lived he certainly could’ve kept Kylo/Ben from having a misunderstanding about who he was and how destructive the dark side is.
While, I'll agree some of these deaths are not necessary. I can't help but feel like for the Kanan one it was some what necessary. Cause if you look the shuttle had to get close and while yes. Ezra could have just force pulled them to safety.
If I recall correctly, a Jedi has to have focus and concentrate on the force to some degree and well. It all was happening pretty quickly. Plus even Aninkin Skywalker had been wrecked by a explosion, so while yes Kanan could hold it back that doesn't mean he could have kept it back for long plus.
Blow back is a thing and well, they were in a shuttle, if the fire didn't get them the shock wave could of knocked them down and crash the shuttle.
That is just my thoughts. This was a good video.
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
I guess it would have been possible to give Vader a new identity, because noone knew how he looks like without the suit and the mask. Even if he still needs some aparature to stay alive, it could be made in a very different design.
Vader as a white guardian and wise mentor for the new jedi temple... that would have been cool. 🤔
Even redeemed which basically was between him and Luke, the New Republic would have put him on trial and most likely executed him, and rightly so. Vader was the right hand of the Emperor and a mass murderer who committed multiple acts of genocide across many planets. He was a key in reforming the Republic into the Empire in the first place and helped destroy the Jedi. The best outcome came true. He was allowed to become one with the force.
When it comes to Obi-Wan's Death, I can see a handful of cop-outs to explain him basically allowing Vader to kill him.
One theory I can see is that his strong connection to the force influenced him to do so, basically something told him "This is the end of your journey, this is where you will die" something of that nature. Most other Jedi would most likely refuse defeat, fight to the bitter end, and attempt to flee going against the force's will. Meanwhile Obi-Wan having said strong connection, knowing Luke had enough time to escape, accepts it as fate and the forces will allows Vader to strike as in his perspective there was no reason to prolong and keep fighting.
Also having Luke witness his death would offer some form of closure and a harsh lesson on loss of people close to you.
The Raddus had an experimental shield which is why it did so much damage
Maybe you have to willing accept death at the time you feel it’s nessecary to become a force ghost. It match every scenario
Luke removes Vader's helmet and blanches… thinking that there's a family history of Male pattern baldness.
Okay, you've covered the 'war crimes' committed by the Republic in the Clone Wars, could you explain what crimes that Vader committed?
Holdo’s death was not unnecessary, it was lamentably overdue.
Wait...you left out Jake Skywalker...he killed himself doing that force Zoom call, and it only bought the Resistance five minutes...also Rey and Kylo were doing it all through the movie and it didn't hurt them...
For Vader, I'm pretty sure his lightsaber fell when Luke cut off his hand
And I don't think Anakin ever got into the havit of keeping spares
But he also probably could have lifted Palpatine with the Force and tossed him into the reactor shaft
And for Obi-Wan, I think part of it for him was that. . He probably wasn't getting out of that fight. Vader wouldn't let him, and there was a squad of Stormtroopers watching.
Ideally he would just hold off Vader long enough for thr Falcon to get out of there, but Luke would have refused to leave without Old Ben.
Palpatine was too powerful to be picked up with the Force.
I would say Admiral Ackbar was the unnessacery one in Ep8.
there death show us that even if it is unnecesary they can still die abd it is more for dramatic effect and show the audience that the character you might love can die
The only one I agree with on this list (that they should NOT have died) is Indira Varma's character (Tala). It was a little unnecessary. In terms of storyline and structure it was necessary for each of the other characters to die when they did. Obi-Wan & Kanan Jarrus' death were plot devices designed to allow their padawans (Luke Skywalker & Ezra Bridger) to overcome something and rise to an occassion (either to stop Grand Admiral Thrawn or Darth Vader). Also previous comments about their sacrafices being impetus for the other characters to develop was necessary as well.