Springfield Armory Ronin 4.25" - Review and Range Test
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When you mentioned that this was the newest addition to your collection it got me excited for your year end video where you go over your favorite acquisition of the year.
Fun video HR!
Ha, ha! That one will be coming soon!
You have a lot of heart testing in those horrible conditions. It provides valuable information (especially if you retest later in better weather) on how adverse circumstances affect shooting. I agree with you about the two tone finish. The blued and brushed bare metal look beautiful especially with the wood color grip panels.
I think it’s appearance is rather striking. Thanks for watching!
Just found your channel and watched your SA Ronin review and I must say it was one of the most enjoyable and informative reviews ive watched. Your format, pace and attention to detail is really a joy. I just subscribed and will look forward to more videos in the future. Thanks for making this content.
You’re welcome. Thanks for subscribing and welcome aboard!
From an old former army officer, a big thank you for your service. I was in officers training in 1980 and learned my 1911 from then and carried one every so often when I pulled installation reserve security force. I have a full-size Ronin and love it. I got a superb trigger job with the original 23-pound hammer spring. The 3.5-pound trigger is now so nice. I re-installed regular grip bushing screws instead of their thin bushing grip screws so I could install Pachmayr low profile wrap around Diamond Pro grips. I like the two-tone look, but I Cerakoted the slide with a light metallic look that perfectly matches the bead blasted stainless bottom of the frame. The cerakoted slide is better for outdoor use, such as camping or hiking. Overall, it's my favorite, do it all .45.
Love your channel. So understated and knowledgable instead of some young kid screaming and cussing. Keep it uo. Just subscribed.
Will do Sir. Thanks for the sub and welcome aboard!
Congratulations on finding what you were looking for. Great looking pistol. I too, am a sucker for the 2 tone look. Stay warm.
Very good detailed review as always! I’m watching for the 3” EMP version that I hope to add to my collection. Interesting that you brought up about the grip safety not disengaging when riding the safety, I have the exact same situation with my Springfield Garrison. Thanks again for the review!
My pleasure Jeff. Thanks for watching!
Thanks, that is a gun that I had given serious consideration to buying for carry. I would appreciate seeing more shooting under better conditions.
You're welcome Frank. I am sure you will see it again on a better day!
Love my 9mm ronin commander, my bul armory 9mm commander is much more accurate for me but still love the ronin. Only change I did to mine was a set of lok grips. Got mine on retied military pricing, came with 3 mags which was a nice touch.
PS: i got lucky and got a very good trigger on mine, my digital gage showed under 2# after 500 rounds and using weapon shield on the trigger bar and sear hammer contact areas after each cleaning.
@@willwilliam217 Love my buls and my SA's
Great video! I love it when I have a close connection to one of your videos. A couple of years ago I found a gently used Springfield Range Officer 1911 in 9mm. It came in a SA hard case with a holster, mag pouch, and extra mags. It came with eight. 4 Springfield and 4 Wilson. It didn’t come with that many, there’s not enough cutouts in the foam for them, but who’s bitching? I’m going to try my hand at some competitions with it. I love it so far. Shoots great, and I just grab the case, some ammo and ears, and go. So for those reasons especially, loved this video.
I’m glad you did. Thanks for watching!
Looks great to me, Chief. My wife and I bought a 9mm Springfield Garrison over the summer, and it’s been great. I do have a video on my channel of the Garrison completely disassembled, and noting which parts are MIM…A LOT. I don’t mind MIM, and its blued finish is great. 👍👍👍👍
I’m almost 62 so I put a Holosun 507C ACSS with the Trijicon night sights mount on my Ronin 4.25 and it runs beautifully. Thanks for the extended tests and information. Very helpful indeed.
You’re welcome Ricardo!
Very nice handgun and good shooting , thanks for sharing
Great choice!
I have the 4.25" Ronin in 9mm, also had trouble last year finding that particular version. That and my Range Officer 5" Target get the most range time these days.
Those to handguns would make for a good day at the range! Thanks for watching.
The tac driver test, always a fan favorite 😎
I have been wanting one for a long time! Just haven't got to it! Envy you HR! Enjoyed the video very much! Yes, less expensive than a Nighthawk, or Wilson Combat, Les Baer, etc. But a lot of pride in the Ronin! Good job!!
Thanks Dan!
I own the Colt Combat Commander great gun. However, years ago, I discovered that Colt made a run in 7.62 Mauser for the European Market . Now I can never be happy again.
I never knew that. Now I have something new to watch for.
The Ronin pistols are included in Springfields FirstLine program, for those who qualify..
I don't know. That would probably be a good question to pose to their customer service representatives.
Yes they are, got mine first-line retired military and it came with three mags.
Thanks for this great video. I'm looking to purchase a Ronin (full size .45) and this is one of the best Ronin reviews I seen yet. Very comprehensive.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks fer sharing another great informative & realistic video.
My pleasure, Eric. Thanks for watching!
I carried a 1911 in the military also . Have had and traded almost all brands . I am down to a Sig MIA/ POW , Colt Defender I love and last year I bought a Tisas like yours . I may have to consider this pistol . Another nice review and Great shooting !!
Thank you!
Very nice looking 1911, I too had a long search to find a 9mm 1911. I purchased a Ruger SR1911 Commander size, being left handed I had a ambi safety installed. Came with two mags, added a WC mag. Great shooter .
Good for you! I’m glad you found one.
I love the two tones myself. Don't have one, but I like 'em.
Thanks for sharing. I will never fault anyone's shooting under those weather condition. There is no way that I would have been out there. From an accuracy standpoint, I'm sure a better trigger would have helped a lot. The 9mm Commander is a great pairing and runs well for most guns. Overall on a scale of 1 to 10 I would rate it as a 6 due to the lack of texturing on the front strap and under cut trigger guard. All the other features are easy enough to upgrade, i.e. sights, trigger, and MIM parts. I also like the clean dust cover. The Wilson 10 round 9mm mags run well in my 9mm 1911s. As you know, the grip safety can be tuned to be more responsive.
Had one. Traded it for a reliable SP2022. It's 2022. 9mm's should run 110% right out of the box. They shouldn't be picky about which magazine is in it...
So far, mine has not been picky at all. In any case, I hope the.SP 2022 works well for you!
@@hrfunk Oh, it will. SIGS always run 110%.... My Ronin wouldn't even run with the mags it came with.
Sweet! Big fan of grip safetys.
Why I carry 9 and .45 XDs.
I have a 3" version, and I like it a lot. During the first 200rds breaking-in, both sides of the wood grip screws came lose. The left side was so loose I could turn the screws out by hand without using tool. At home, as I was removing the spring rod to take out the slide to clean it. The spring pod walks out on me. The spring rod was hanging onto the rod end plate(?) just by a thread. And I mean that literally by a thread. If I had brought more than 200rds of ammo with me on the first day of breaking-in, I think 3 or 4 more rounds later, the spring rod would have flown out. That would be epic. I have never experienced anything like it. It was an isolated incident, I hope. Just my dumb luck that I happened to purchase a firearm put together by a Springfield gunsmith that is not all in focus on the job. After that, for everything I buy, I will check the spring rod over and over and over and over again ~ I got paranoid. Anyway, I shot the other 300rds( in one go) the next day, and it was all good. But my lower palm took a lot of beating from the main spring housing tho. I would like to get a 4" or a 4.25" too, if I see one.
Christmas 1974 money was tight sold my Combat Commander sorta bronze color or copper. The Ronin is beautiful just right . The plastic trigger well you cant have everything. Bought a Range officer few years back so I got it out as you were going over the Ronin it's in 9mm also and I feel in love all over again since we've been kinda snowed in here outside of Seattle 30 miles outside . They are almost identical except for sights ,finish, trigger on mine looks like aluminum 3holes and a set screw ( havent touched it) sights are Springfield. Winchester used to make a nice target load 800fps jacketed semi wadcutter real nice but the gun loved em. Really enjoyed this video and you going over the 1911 . There is just something special about them and the way they shoot . Enjoy watch you shoot a 1911 . Early Merry Christmas. Also to gun guys on this channel very best. " Speed is good ,but accuracy is final" --- WYATT EARP?
Thanks Brian! I agree, there's just something bout the 1911. Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
Nice review. That Ronin looks like good value at that price point.
IF you could find the ammo, I like 38 Super over 9mm Luger in a 1911. A shorter cartridge introduces some potential for problems in a 1911. However, I have an older STI Guardian chambered in 9mm Luger that has always run like a top.
I do not have small hands but I prefer the CCO format for 1911s when you have smaller diameter cartridges. An Officers grip still holds 7 or 8 rounds, depending on the magazine. The key is that a shorter grip frame is easier to conceal IWB carry for me.
I like that commander, been looking. Glad to see you have 1. Before I fire 1 round I check the Sights, bought a S&W, front sight was. 017 drifted to the right. It's then up to me, stay in the 10 ring 👍, Thanks for the video 👌
My pleasure. Thanks for watching!
Hey HR, I just found your channel recently and really enjoy your reviews. And as a Marine, I definitely respect your views. I was a Seabee and we were jokingly called “Light Duty Marines” by some of the Matines we worked with. But I actually took it as kind of a compliment, lol
I’m in the market for a 4.25” 1911 in 45 ACP for EDC. I’ve narrowed down my choices to the Ronin in 45 ACP, and the new Garrison 4.25” also in the 45. I’m hoping maybe you’ll review one or both of these sometime in the near future, because I really value your opinion.
Thanks for all you do, and Semper Fi!
Semper Fi! For what it's worth, I really like my Tisas Tank Commander. Here's a link to Part 1 of that review: czcams.com/video/9YTwG7Ok1yo/video.htmlsi=IXtpSGGBVCcpprBw
@@hrfunkThank you!
Good video Sir! Congratulations on your Ronin.
Thanks Troy!
Great job and video considering the weather conditions, I am very impressed with this pistol and hope Santa brings me one 👍Merry Christmas HR…
Merry Christmas Ken! I hope he brings you one too!
Nice review, Mr. Funk! Thanks for sharing! Pretty sure a trigger job would smooth out that trigger, and you'll be good to go. I'm sure that it will shoot tighter groups in better weather conditions; perhaps it is a bit picky with ammunition that it likes as well. Sounds like it may be a fun experiment to get the groups tighter. 🙂
Thanks Clint. I may do some trigger work on it in the future. For now I'm just going to shoot it and see how things go. Thanks for watching!
Super cool 1911, I got the emp but it had to go back for warranty repair for light primers strike, and it didn’t matter which brand, it would have been an easy fix but the what heck I wanted to check their customer service. And all thumbs up in my book. Thanks for postimg
My pleasure. I’m glad they got that straightened out for you. I have had good luck with their customer service in the past.
I came across one in a pawn shop and snagged it up. Love this gun!
Good for you! I hope it serves you well for a long time.
Hr i also bought a tisa stingray carry pistol which is a 9mm 1911 with an aluminum frame and forged steel barrel and it's been impressive at the range and very affordable, i would bet you would enjoy it, it has been a great shooter and accurate too, 4lb sweet trigger right out of the box.
It sounds great I’ll keep my eye out for one.
I actually own this gun, and I absolutely love it!! Great handling, great weight and control, and good sights.
Good. I hope it serves you well for a long time.
I just got one in 45 . Yes I like the 2 tone and especially how light it is
As a owner of a 4" ronin EMP I thought your review was spot on. Mine was new with a 7#+ trigger and I sent it back to Springfield and got back a 5#+ with creep. So I replaced the sear, the hammer, and disconnector, hammer spring and sear spring with Wilson bullit Proof parts and got a 3 3/4# crisp trigger. My only complaint with the fit and finish of the pistol is the extractor butt on the rear of the slide is about .060 to long and they didn't finish it flush like it should be. Like you I really like the two tone finish, and the gun has been a 100% reliable.
Thanks, John! I saw one of the EMP pistols at a gun show a few weeks ago. Now that you mention it, the trigger pull on that one was pretty stout too. I would guess it was a good pound or more heavier than the pistol I reviewed in this video. I wonder if there was/is some reason Springfield Armory is putting heavier triggers in the smaller EMP. Maybe they're using the hammer spring to reduce the velocity of the lighter slide. If they did that, rather than incresing the tension of the recoil spring, it would allow easier hand-cycling of the slide and still help reduce wear & tear on the pistol (not to mention the shooting hand). Just a thought. In any case, I'm glad yours is now more to your liking. I might end up replacing the trigger and sear in my pistol, but I'm going to shoot it for a while first. Thanks for watching!
Recently bought one of these used for my wife...has a really great feel in the hand...runs well...she loves it, but so do I...
Thanks for a great review!!!
The folks at "Gunsite" make a thumb safety that has the "shelf" lowered to the bottom of the plate! I have them on several of my 1911's. They're the best! Very comfortable.
The reason your noticing the heavy trigger is because Springfield puts a 28lb hammer spring in there 1911s for reasons I will never understand. I have been replacing mine with standard 23lb springs for over a decade with zero issues, and it brings the trigger pull down to around 4lbs. Polish that sear and trigger bar and you’ll be around 3lbs.
I know what you mean about carrying them in the Marine Corps. I picked up my Rocker in 1980 and the 1911 became my duty weapon whenever I was to carry. Normally only on a deployment...
I line my 1911s in 45. In a single stack 9mm, I like the S&W 3913, or if you want a Commander size single stack, my old S&W439 with fixed sights , ambi safety, later 9 round mag, is fast , light and accurate. A shame Springfield has not cloned the old da/sa S&Ws
Cause DA/SA sucks.
I really thought I made a good decision buying my Springfield XD45, however I just couldn't shoot it and didn't understand why, was almost ready to give up on pistol marksmanship. Then I got a simple 1911 A1 9mm from Rock Island! Wow, changed everything and restored confidence I had lost. Put a video out today using it at 30 yards and impressed myself! There really is something about the 1911 platform! I hope you enjoy that one as much as I do mine!
Thanks Chris! I’m a life-long 1911 fan. It’s simply one of the best handguns ever designed.
@@hrfunk way to easy to shoot. Unfair to all the other platforms!
Another great video. Got to love Ohio weather. 52° one day, down into the 20s the next day.
Ha, ha! Yep, it's always an adventure.
Enjoyed the video…..thanks for the review
Good morning HR. Another good review. I like how you actually test the accuracy. I see other people hit an IPSC size steel plate at 7 yards and brag about how accurate the gun is. The movie Ronin is good, you can find it free on CZcams. DeNiro is a jerk, but he has been in some great movies. I'm feeling humorous this morning.
Shouldn't a lightweight plastic trigger give you a lighter pull?
It looks like the original magazine is more accurate than the Vickers mag on the multiple target drill.
The EMP was brought up in the chat. Does it disable electronic devices when shot?
Thanks for the video, hopefully you'll have better weather next time.
Thanks John! Now I want to watch that movie. I agree, personally Robert De Niro is not someone I would invite to a party. But he is a very good actor.
Very nice, objective and detailed review!
Thank you!
HR,
I too, wanted a LW Commander back in the 80's, but at the time, couldn't find one anywhere. So I built one. The thing had an aluminum frame, a Colt Series 80 slide (with all the Series 80 parts removed), a custom barrel I got at a gun show, and since I was working for Pachmayr at the time, a lot of Pachmayr parts. About five years ago, I found out the Caspian is now making Titanium frames for Colts, so I decided to rebuild the Commander. My LW Commander now is a very unique gun. It had the Caspian Titanium frame, Millet Combat sights, lowered ejection port, polished feed ramp, aluminum long trigger, Cylinder & Slide hammer and sear (3.75 lb trigger pull), Bar-Sto .45 ACP 4 1/4 inch barrel, standard safety (in gray color), Pachmayr stainless slide stop, beavertail grip safety, Pachmayr mainspring housing, stainless magazine release, frame is ported for easier magazine insertion, Pachmayr grips, stainless grip screws, and Metalform stainless magazine with bumper pad. The frame is a light gray color, so it is a two tone, just not quite as obvious as yours. This is probably a one of a kind pistol. I don't think there is another one like it anywhere.
Cheers,
Zeke
That sounds really cool! I would love to see it. How does it shoot?
@@hrfunk It shoots really well. I generally get close to a 1" group at 25 yards, shooting from a rest, and a slightly larger group shooting freehand.
@@deadeye566 That’s great accuracy!
I just bought one from Bud's gun shop, and I am in love with it. SemperFi USMC 1966/1969
Semper Fi Toby!
Ohh Rahh Devil Dog. Great work and thank you.
Now compare the SA Ronin to the Tisas Stringray, a similar aluminum-framed 9mm 1911. I'll bet Tisas USA would loan one out for a review video done by a fair and knowledgable content creator like hrfunk.
I would enjoy that. Maybe I will see if I can get one to review.
to go out in that weather demonstrates your dedication to the sport.
Thank you!
TEASING…..TEASING…..TEASING…..
1911, SCHMINETEEN ELEVEN. External safety, 9 bullets, in a pistol that weighs more than a Glock 19, 43X/48, Hellcat, P365, G3C, M&P Shield and a host of other pistols. Of all the 1911’s available though, the “Commander” size is my favorite. I do like them in 45ACP though. If I ever do buy another one (I have a Kimber Super Carry Pro HD that I gifted to our youngest son) I THINK I’d opt for an SA Prodigy with the double stack mag.
All teasing aside, I can’t wait to see the review. I really like how detailed you get in them. Someone that is in the market for something like this will have no doubts about its good, bad and the uglies, when you are through. I mean, I own a Rival Darkside because of you! Lol
Thanks, hrfunk. 15-20deg F with a bare firing hand is tough conditions. The longer that bare hand is in the air, especially if it's breezy, the sooner your hand will find your fingers losing dexterity relative to being warm/gloved adequately. I've spent more time than I can count in such temperatures, doing things gloved and ungloved depending on dexterity needs. I'd say those first 3 rested shots reflected normal, but the 4th & 5th look like the cold working on your hand. A sniper like you knows trigger pull control. Mother Nature may have been a bit contrary, despite your skill. Thanks for braving tough conditions for this video.
My local Ace Hardware has some gloves that are some poly knit, fairly thin, but coated in a thin rubber on the palm. "Ice Gloves" I think they're called. Maybe $20. I've used those in sub-20deg F shooting, they make it more tolerable. The rubberized palm is sort of like cheating with its grip, but the cold temps make me not mind!
Thanks Sean! There’s an Ace Hardware nearby. I’ll look for those gloves the next time I’m there.
@@hrfunk You're welcome.
Now Chief where is your GLOCK what your using a pistol designed 111 years ago? ME TOO. Don't freeze around 82 here in Florida.
It's a Dreary 50° and raining here today. If I had to carry a Glock in these conditions, the combination might be intolerable.
👍👍nice looking pistol and a well done review, thanks
God Bless John Moses Browning!
I really enjoyed this review (as always, it was detailed, impartial, lucid and articulate) and (for whatever my opinion is worth) I am certain the Ronin will be an entirely fine, defensive carry weapon.
But, Howard, here’s a question . . . and perhaps even a suggestion for a separate “comparison” video. My EDC of late has been a police model, M&P 1.0, with a 4.25 inch barrel, night sights and the improved barrel twist rate. It isn’t an example of the gunsmith’s art by any means, but for me it is completely fulfills every PRACTICAL requirement: light and slim, 17+1 capacity, really good ergonomics, good night sights, utterly realizable and durable, simply designed, plenty accurate, a very uncomplicated operating system, and very easy to carry and maintain. Now, I really am NOT a polymer frame / striker fired fan, by any means . . . however, pragmatic functionality seems to me to be important when one is strapping a sidearm on at ~0600 every morning.
Both the Ronin and the M&P - and I know you have a world of experience with both M&P’s and 1911A1’s - are chambered for 9x19mm cartridges, both have 4.25 inch barrels (Springfield’s doubtless is a somewhat better “match grade” one), and both are (and I won’t say this well) reasonably concealable and carry-able (for a “small full-sized” autoloader, which I define as having at least a 4.25 inch barrel).
So, for practical EDC - not for pride of ownership, or exacting target work, or the joys of Browning’s 1911 design - which would you prefer and why? And, at least for me, capacity is nearly irrelevant (the Ronin’s 9+1 is more than adequate for my defensive needs).
I think my preference would depend upon how I was intending to use the handgun. I Really liked the M&P pistols for duty sidearms. All of the attributes you noted, as well as a business like finish that wouldn't bring tears to your eyes if the pistol were dropped, dinged, scuffed, etc. made it utterly practical. Of course, those same qualities would apply to the M&P for CCW duty. Personally, however, I rarely carry one of my M&P's for that purpose. I guess after carrying such a utilitrian pistol at work for so many years, I prefer nowadays to carry something a little more stylish. I guess too, being such a devotee to the creations of Mr. Browning, I just enjoy carrying my 1911's and P35's (not to mention the occasional wheelgun). Still, if I'm going out on an inclement day or engaging in dirty/sweaty work, I opt for something like my M&P pistols.
@@hrfunk
Thank you very much, sir, for this excellent and very logical answer. I wholly agree with every point you made (and I appreciate your addition of the “ware and tear” argument).
Moreover, I completely understand your feelings re a firearm that is “something special,” not just entirely function but ordinary. In fact, just yesterday I spent 15+ minutes in my shop, admiring my really superb Smith “special edition” 627 (1989 model, pre-Hillary, five inch barrel, gold dot sight, non-fluted cylinder, full under-lug, gorgeous hard wood stocks, great machining and fitting, etc.). It’s big, heavy and only has a six round capacity, BUT it’s also superbly accurate, reliable, durable . . . and a it is a real “work of art.”
I suppose - at least for now - I’ll stick with my M&P for EDC. However, the funny thing is, several times a month I’ll opt for a full-size GP-100 or N Frame. Their capacity isn’t ideal and they are large and heavy, but I really cherish them.
THANKS, again.
Congrats on finding this pistol and thanks for braving the Frozen Chosin! Those thin grips may spoil you. I added a set (albeit, in G10) to a Mil Spec & I'm wondering where they have been my whole life.
They are actually taking me a little bit of time to get used to. I'm so accustomed to the larger ones, and these just "feel different". Then, again, I am also one of the weirdos who likes an arched main spring housing.
@@hrfunk Haha! I prefer arched as well, but I can't stand the Glock 'hump' and I don't have a good answer as to why.
@@TheGunfighter45acp The Glock grip angle and contour has just never worked well for me.
I picked mine up from layaway today. It came with 3 magazines 🎉🎉🎉
Good! Maybe Springfield is coming around!
Am I the one who forwards first to see if it’s a tac driver? 😆. Yep, I’m old, I’m allowed to have my desert first! 😊 A commander size 1911 is on my list. Great review Chief!
I bought two more guns, today just because Academy had them on sale. lol. Checking Bass Pro tomorrow ;)
LOVE this video. I bought the same gun in a 4 in barrel. It has a guide rod. I wonder if all 4 in barrels have a guide rod. I prefer the bushing system as well. Overall I love the gun. I may replace the trigger.
You have the EMP version. That was one of the reasons I was specicically looking for the 4 1/4" Ronin. The older I get, the less tolerance I have for guid rods. Otherwise, the EMP is a pretty slick little package. Thanks for watching!
Great video HR
Thank you!
I'm thinking about getting a 9mm 1911. I've been looking at the SDS Imports guns. They seem very good value.
GI is fine for me.
They are very good handguns. I have one, and it is excellent.
Cpl. Funk, I'm the guy that you met at the gun range Wednesday who commented on your weight loss. I'm waiting on the delivery of my SA Ronin 9MM 4". Keep your powder dry Marine.
Thanks Jim. You too. I hope you like that new Ronin!
I have several 1911s in 45 and 10mm. I have always wanted a 9mm one but just haven’t taken the leap yet. It would definitely be a cheaper caliber to shoot then the others two calibers. That Springfield looks and performs good and might be a good choice!
So far, I am quite enjoying this one. If I did not already have several in. .45 ACP, I would not have opted for the 9mm version. But, since I do, I really wanted to give this one a try.
@@hrfunk it seems like a good pistol, and the carry round you use is excellent I use the underwood version of it. I have a couple of handguns with fiber optic sight. For me they are outstanding in the daylight but act as a plan sight in lowlight conditions. I have changed then all out to night sights because of that issue. What’s your opinion on them at night?
@@americanpatriot477 I might end up doing the same thing. I also might swap out the trigger and sear for upgraded parts. Still, the OEM parts work well enough that I don't feel any urgency in doing those things.
Hi AP, I was in the same boat all my 1911's in .45acp, got the Comander size in 9mm, LOVE it.
Me too, I want a less than full size in .380acp.
like that pistol, i bought the emissary instead. I have always ended up liking springfields offerings, lately bul armory and SA have made my favorites.
Nice gun and allowed me to see all facets of the evolution of 1911 in 9mm. Nice mid range 1911! Thank you!
However, I pulled out my Ruger 1911 LW Commander in .45 and will wear it all the do dah day today to counteract the antibodies that have formed from seeing the 1911 in 9mm. I'm sure that I will be ok, eventually!!!!😳 Move to Middle Tennessee where I can help you!
I did like the blued slide and stainless appearing frame better than mine that is the reverse!
On days like this, and the one in the video, where I was on the range, I very much wish I was there!
Probably not all that much different as it is overcast with drizzle and 49 degrees. Really liked that Ronin Operator for all the reasons you stated,.
Yep, that’s about the same as it is here today. We are also getting some Highwind. I really like that pistol too! The only reason I’m not carrying it today just because I’m going to have to leave it in the car. I don’t want that one to get stolen if someone breaks in.
Good review. Now you have me interested (not hard to do). I will stick to .45 ACP just because I like that (I have 9mm and .40 S&W pistols as well, but none in 1911 format). Of course, the original Colt Automatic Pistol was initially in .38 caliber, so 9mm is not really sacrilege. Interesting about the mags. Springfield's .45 mags are reasonably priced. Their 9mm mags are much more expensive. Mec-Gar has a ten round 9mm with polymer floor plate listing for $31.20 (blue only).
Thanks! I think I’ll just stick with the .38 Super magazines for training.
That's a really nice pistol, I don't see why the trigger couldn't be replaced with a metal one if it bugs you that much, may even get a little better pull too.
I might replace it in the future. I’ll see how things go as it breaks in.
Very interesting and clearly explained video as always!
I didn't know they had a 9mm version of the 1911, would you say it's more accurate than the 45? Also I'm always impressed by the precision of the drills especially body to head shots... Wish I could shoot like this!
Thank you! The jury is still out on accuracy. I have to wait until I can go out on a better day and then I will hopefully be able to answer your question.
Another great review and congrats on your new addition to your collection. I do have a question…are you related to Funk and Wagnalls? Isaac Kauffman Funk a relation? I recall the dictionaries and encyclopedias and thought you said in one of your videos you were from Ohio. If so you have some world famous relations
Nope. No world famous relatives. So far as I know, I’m not related to the dictionary people.
After having watched you shoot for a while and knowing the accuracy of my .45 Ronin I tend to believe the cold was affecting you more than anything else.
I will be taking that pistol back out on a better day. I suspect the results but also be better.
@@hrfunk I have a full size government Ronin in .45 and after about a 100 round break in it is a tack driver.
My buddy just got a colt 9mm commander and I was surprised by the snappiness of it.
The Ronin feels very controllable chambered in 9 mm. I’m surprise your buddies cold feels that way.
This is a tempting gun. I've been trying to figure out who's putting all the scratches on 1911s. Everyone has them, but no one actually puts these beauty marks on their 1911 themself.
Yeah... I can see your thinking on the light weight in 9mm I rarely have one or two 9mm guns. This would not be a bad one to have around. Like youI am a 1911 fan
Of Great Interest to me thanks Howard & those that want to see how it performs in .45 may want to watch my 9mm vs .45 Fair Test LW Commanders vid & Old School vs a modern 9mm striker w RDS. Also, use it in upcoming vids is a 9-Round .45 LW Commander a Viable CCW & thanks to you I got a beautiful TAGUA holster I reviewed for it! I love the Thumb Safety Riding over it, and I don't have a problem w the grip safety. Do you know where I can find the actual safety or one swept like it, and can you swap thumb safeties easily on all 1911's or not???
Congrats on the Tagua holster. I have been carrying mine almost exclusively in the last several weeks. The thumb safety is a fairly easy swap. There are many replacement options. If you check. Brownells, Midway, or Optics Planet, you will probably find a lot of different versions.
The target paper is the same size as the torsoe, so its not bad for 15 yards
I just picked up one of these today for $650. I really dig the two tone look.
That’s a great price. I hope you like it!
@@hrfunkwhen I was a kids back in the 70's IPSC was the big thing & all the pros shot two toned 1911's...the reason being the frame was hard chromed to prevent rust but the slide remained blued because that's the part that required more repairs...
For the past year I've been trying to locate Springfield's smaller framed 4" EMP Ronin 9mm. I have not seen any available from my distributors, which makes me think they haven't been building them.
Ironically, I saw one at a gun show two or three weeks ago.
I picked up the Ronin EMP 4, 9mm
About 5 months ago, and have only gotten it to the range recently.
Like you… lifelong user of M1911’s in 45( got my own at age 9 for Christmas, a Colt Combat Commander.45 in satin nickel)
My SA Ronin is the first 9mm 1911 have ever shot.
How did your EMP perform for you? good I hope.
@@hrfunk it’s going to have to be revisited…. I got to fire two 10 shot magazines, amoung sighting in a RDS
On the Benelli M4, and Ruger PC9.
I’ve had a couple of other SA 1911’s like the MIL-SPEC that I started as a base pistol for upgrading… that had good triggers out of the box…. This EMP, not soo much …. And from a rest the sights are not the factory point of Aim/ point of impact that is the usual ( center hold) this from what I could tell was 6’oclock hold regulated , and about 2” left… so
That will have to be further investigated. Function was 100% in those scant few rounds. The pistol has some sharp edges that will cause
A cut… 5 minutes at the factory would have taken care of that detail.
Its not cheap… but it was assembled on Friday after the paychecks were passed out, as the used to say at the Youngstown GM plant.
A 9mm 1911? Please don't say you like soccer. Actually looks like a nice pistol. Great video.
Thanks Scott!
A Commander sized 9mm in a 1911 type platform? Why not? I have more than a few 1911s. None in 9mm. This particular Ronin is interesting. It is on my maybe list now. Thanks HR.
FYI Natchezss has 9mm 1911 mags
Thanks Geoff!
CDNN has some on sale as well, with base pads. Geoff Who is thinking about a 9mm, but dental work looms ominously.
An unholy union in this day and age is 45acp and a wallet. I just detail stripped my buddy's Ronin govt 9mm and I was highly impressed. It's the spitting image of the Colt XSE combat elite minus the series 80 and a nylon msh. This is a phenomenal pistol inside and out.
Nice looking handgun. I always get a little confused when a pistol is marked "Operator". I keep waiting for it to answer my phone and take messages, but they never do. I'm with you 100% on preferring the GI recoil spring and guide rod system. as well as the single-sided safety.
I can remember when the "thumbs forward" method of shooting a pistol first came on the scene from the world of competition. Prior to that, everyone used the "thumb over thumb" method you were taught in the Marines. While there is no question that the thumbs forward method allows for slightly better recoil control and faster times, the old thumb over thumb method has its own advantages, not the least of which is that it is universal from semi-auto to revolver. It also has advantages in weapon retention. Finally, many pistol designs pre-date the later technique, and one's own thumbs can get in the way during firing while using it. Better in my view to keep them locked down with the fighting pistol. Not to mention the issue you encountered operating your grip safety.
I think it is good that you got out to the range under adverse conditions. This gives a good idea of what to expect under realistic conditions. I really like that you are using the targets with anatomical markings. With those, there is no way to kid yourself about how good or poor your hits are. I was however disappointed that we did not get a visit from the Water Bottle Banditos. I suppose it is just as well, they would have probably turned to icy evil and those puny 9mm rounds might have only bounced off. I did note with interest that the Ronin had a steel mainspring housing. I have a Colt that cost me double the price of the Ronin, and I got a plastic one.
The thumbs forward grip was used since 1960 by Elden Carl. It just got widely spread later on. What one chooses depends a lot on ergonomics and what brings the wanted results is the right individual choice.
Thanks Brother Tom! You're showing your age with that "operator" joke. Next you'll be telling people your "platform" is something you stand on to elevate yourself above the crowd. I don't know if you caught the video I made a while back where I was comparing stances and grips. However, I am to the point where I think the "thumbs forward" grip works great for competition, but as you noted it has some issues when it comes to gunfighting. The "thumb over thumb" grip was developed for combative use where functional relaibility trumps both speed and accuracy. Recently, I've given this topic a good deal of thought. It occurs to me that most of us spend far more time shooting on a range (in either training or competition) than we ever spend shooting in a gunfight. For that reason, we gravitate toward practices and techniques that make us feel good about ourselves when we are shooting targets of one sort or another that are not shooting back at us. As an instructor I know I am swimming against a stream here, but it occurs to me that we should perhaps, rethink techniques such as the "thumbs forward grip". I think this is particularly true, when we are instructing armed citizens who might end up carrying myriad different handguns. It seems more important to ensure we are teaching techniques that will lessen the potential for "shooter induced malfunctions", than to bolster their/our ego by helping them (potentially) fire faster follow-up shots. I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
I like those targets too. I made another recent video discussing targets. I would like to see the concept of this type of target more fully developed. Photographic targets persenting images of persons in different postures/angles as well as the precise location of internal organs would be tremendous. It would be even better if the company producing such targets could get some input from the medical community (IWBA?) as to the reletive effectiveness of shots striking those organs. This all may be wishful thinking, but it would be nice.
By the way, don't worry too much about the Desperados. I'm sure they will come sneaking back around!
Take care.
@@hrfunk Having owned a school that taught over 28,000 private citizens over 20 years, and knowing they could be using any type of firearm after they left my class, I taught thumb over thumb exclusively. I taught the technique that way to all my police recruits. It works with all types of handguns and closely mirrors what people will do naturally. I was never convinced that rapidity of fire was as big a deal as it became after the advent of affordable shot timers. I think they can be an excellent tool for tracking your progress in learning a new technique, but I am not convinced they belong in beginner's education. Nor do I feel that we should be telling new people that how fast they can fire X number of shots is important.
Like learning a martial arts move, they should be shown the skill demonstrated, and should be allowed to practice it as slowly as they like, with speed coming as a natural result of practice. Over the years I was given a lot of crap from other trainers for all of these positions, but I knew that some of the most experienced and renowned trainers who taught defensive pistol use agreed with me. Sadly many of them are retired doing from live classes, as am I. Many other trainers are quite talented, but may not b the best resource for beginners.
I'll just say this. in the real world when I have held suspects at gunpoint, and there have been lots of times, both of my thumbs have been securely locked down over each other on the gun. Those times that I have had to use my support hand to sweep a protectee behind me, I still had my strong hand thumb locked down on my pistol.
I'm 100% with you on the use of more realistic targets. The B27 we both grew up with is too large, and the "Eight and In" scoring system is far too generous. Many police qualification courses have been moved in to 15 yards, which is also a mistake. When I started in law enforcement, we had to shoot out to 50 yards, which may have been excessive, but I think 25 yards is reasonable. At my age and eyesight I can still qualify on a 25 yard course with a small 9mm such as my Kahr P9, so I see no reason a young, strong police recruit with young eyes shouldn't be able to do the same with a duty pistol.
Well that's all for now. I need to tell some teenagers to get off my lawn, lol.
Ha, ha! Those teenagers better look out! On a serious note, it’s amazing how similar we are in our thinking. Thanks for the reply. I’m always interested in hearing your opinions.
@@PPISAFETY Although I would not consider myself in yours or HR's leagues, I do share some of your experiences. Thumb over thumb is intuitive, whereas thumbs forward feels unnatural. Riding the safety likewise feels unnatural. Plus thumb riding the safety is inviting a malfunction if the thumb contacts the slide.
During the last application of deadly force(the 3rd attempt on my life in this neighborhood)I drew a SR-1911 carrying 9 rds of Critical Duty 220gr .45 ACP +p and presented, then aimed at the driver of a blacked out car that highbeamed us.Simultaneously sweeping my lefthand to the rear in order to get my stepson and a neighbor to get behind me as the driver punched it. Strangely enough, I don't remember how the pistol got into my hand. Just recall aiming. At this point, where I was starting to put pressure on the trigger, the vehicle swerved and crashed into a yard. The driver was milliseconds from me ending his life. I walked towards the driver door, still aiming and keeping my finger on the trigger. All the while warning the driver about the dangers of speeding down a residential street. Why I did this, I've not the foggiest notion. The driver backed out and took off the way he came. Shortly after, a joint task force rolled up nearly all the tweaker in Twilight Trails. Due to me calling it The Twilight Zone. People who live in and nearby refer to it as simply "The Zone ". The Block Watch has since disbanded due to me becoming elderly and stoved up. Six years later nobody screws with me nor with my lawn.😉
My 1st Justin Bieber carried was a 1911 charity for years is still carried now but the Rowan is a good looks like it's a good little gun for a backup
Thanks Alfonso. So far I really like it.
Love my Ronin as my CCW.
Despite the conditions, that was still some good shooting
Thank you!
Great video!
Thank you!
Good... Thanks..
Great video ! Where do you get your targets?
From Action Target (Formerly Law Enforcment Targets).
it's nice :) I hope you do a review on a full size .45 TRP :)))
I would like to, but I'm going to have to save up some pennies first. Thanks for watching!
All things considered, you did quite well on the range. Shooting in 22 degrees is no fun, especially with a trigger that heavy. Reduce that pull weight to 4 1/2 pounds and that would be a truly nice pistol.
I was on the phone calling every gun shop in the United States for 6mos before I tracked one down. I kept it traditional and stuck with 45.
thank you
It's a beautiful gun, no doubt. The only thing I would be worried about is reliability. Any jam malfunction?
None so far. Watch for an update on this pistol in the near future.