@JJMcCullough
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- J.J. McCullough is a CZcamsr and columnist covering Western culture, politics, and society. He has joined us today on the podcast today to talk some reasonable sense into @artchad and @JREG
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As a maga communist , I appreciate finally being represented here , but as a maga communist I also hate that there has been representation
Jackson is that you
Yikes
based
Jackson Hinkle in a nutshell.
@@buttershy_ I got freaked out for a second because I thought I just responded to myself when I checked my notifications lmao
One must imagine JJ happy
One must imagine he's groaning inside...
I don't know. I imagine JJ as having a lot of personal struggles, but as someone who has a very pragmatic and in the end optimistic outlook
on life.
One must imagine listening to JJ speaking to someone of substance.
Right to assisted suicide is tied to the environmental movement in our consciousness. But it's about control in the end. There are lies, mistruths, obfuscations, and political platitudes surrounding the environmental movement. Everyone forgot about how messed up COVID time was/is, "The Science" statement should be a red flag.
Good reference and well placed. Nice job.
As a transboomer zoomer, I appreciate JJ for believing that nothing ever changes.
I also appreciate Jreg deciding not to eat the microphone at 32:40
I like that. Transboomer.
War. War never changes
Can you transboom all over me
Wtf is a transboomer Zoomer?
I love how jj takes everything so seriously, typical centrist
I don't think he's taking it seriously (there's no way he could, really) but tries to put a wee bit of distance between himself using facts informed by knowledge and logic (such a killjoy when you're not used to it...)
It's because he's actually trying to make it so that the conversation goes somewhere and has a point.
@@zugabdu1 It shouldn't be his job to do that since he's just a guest.
@@I-Libertine Is your ego of facts and logic enough to console you in an age of death and poverty by corporate greed??
@Bobogdan258 It shouldn't be, but clearly it was.
The Horseshoe is that Brogan is the kinda dumb normal guy and Jreg is the overeducated irony poisoned witty guy and they meet by not being confident in their own beliefs
Can we get “I’m hope pilled optimaxed, I’m on my optimism arc” on a shirt please?
The problem I find on the argument from JJ is that he doesn't accept that the middle class is declining and diminushing even in america. People are earning less, are more in debt, are not able to buy a house. The promissed american dream - that every american was promissed would be possible for a person if only they submit to work, on a factory or something, is not possible even if you work two jobs on amazon, uber or tesla. The middle class is actually shrinking in size. Less people in it. So more people in the position to be radicalized. Its gonna hit him luck a truck.
he has no idea
Wages are going up, this is objectively incorrect. People are earning more.
@@WizardofGargalondesewages are going up, but inflation's going up faster, people's overall purchasing power is diminishing
@@NickKrishnan
No. Wrong. Wages are rising FASTER than prices
Or a train perhaps
Through thick and thin I enjoy JJ's demeanor despite some of his occasionally boomer takes. His disposition and attitude is stable and sober enough to be pleasant to listen to for extended periods of time
Bless
I love JJ. Agree some of his takes feel slightly biased but only in the way we all have biases based on our individual experienced. He is very measured and I appreciate his well informed takes. I’m definitely more left leaning (been called a socialist although I don’t prescribe to that, if believing in human rights makes me a socialist so be it!) but I always wanna hear the other sides but it’s hard to when so many commentators are so extreme and also just like, straight up mean about people different from them. J.J. comes across as berg very kind to others
Yeah I’m definitely no centrist but I like how intellectually honest and genuine he is. Also I think it’s good to hear different views.
@@thepragmaticwitch2608Human rights are subjective. Everybody believes in them.
@@thepragmaticwitch2608 Good job taking this opportunity to make it about yourself
its all a mask though, if you look at the editorials he keeps writing for bezos news papers, he is a neo con through and through, full support for the military industrial complex
27 years old, 6 years working. I can't maintain the energy needed to write useless software for 10+ hours a day, that's what "work" there is for tech people. I wish I could be trained to do something else, if there wasn't a mountain of bureaucracy to get to the sustainable side of a "profession". Friends are nice for the roughly 3 weeks a year I get to hang out with them, I don't make any since strangers are high-risk low-reward opportunity cost. Hope that's honest enough for you JJ
Hey idk what kind of developer you are but from my experience you don’t need to work 10+ hours a day for a developer job. There are a lot of other options and if you are looking to learn new skills you could always do it online. Maybe I’m not grasping the full picture of your position but maybe you’re going a little hard on yourself.
In essentially the same breath, JJ extrapolates that things must be doing alright because no young people he knows is doing poorly, but seconds later when talking about loneliness states that "you perceive your existence to be reflective of broader trends".
JJ was not saying the young people he anecdotally knows aren't doing poorly (materially), he's saying the data shows people express a more negative view of the wellness of the economy relative to how they as individuals are doing. He's not being contradictory in his logic here.
@@jav.3.air_So he's consistent in his dogass point 💀
@@godhimself1128 "dogass"?
@@godhimself1128 His point was perfectly fine and it is well informed.
"JJ extrapolates that things must be doing alright because no young people he knows is doing poorly"
That's not what he said at all, he literally never said that. The fact that you don't provide a quote for this at all, yet you quoted the second part is proof that you are being deliberately dishoenst.
I almost lost it at JJ referring to shows as programmes lmfao
i really hope JJ and Jreg continue to work together. you two are so entertaining and insightful in distinct ways that i appreciate
They've been collaborating for years at this point, surely more is to come
I hate jreg he’s try hard and an edge lord. Thinks he’s Sam Hyde. I grew out of that at 18
@@__-wm9lu he's definitely not Sam Hyde and doesn't think he is. He's just providing some comic relief against JJ's serious and moderate discussions
@@__-wm9lu Honestly you might have just grown out of fun
i completley uinderstand because his outburts are kinda anoying but he can be funny and when he is sincere its great@@__-wm9lu
I love that jreg is (mostly) patiently sitting in the background thinking about the oncoming radical revolution while cooler heads discuss the pressing issues of our time
Its because of the niclicks
hes cooking.
every time I watch anything from jreg I get the feeling he is far wiser and intelligent than he lets on but his despair for the human condition motivates him to act in such a way that implies he's politically insane just to feel a modicum of joy.
that's absolutely what he does
i just see a lack of social skills and lack of genuine interest. All he does is wait his turn to say something radical and dismissive to the point being made and then smile to himself about it. Hes definitely funny and smart but in this episode he was so bad
yeah i think like ten years ago he was like a social democrat diet bernie type but he just stopped caring and decided this was much more fun
That sure is what he wants you to think
@@rkaly7154Yeah he's funny and occasionally thought-provoking but the more I watch the more his whole persona makes me cringe. It comes off as kind of spineless and desperate for validation behind the layers of irony
Alternative title: JJ tries to be optimistic about a terrible world, artchad gets depressed and Jreg gets addicted to nicotine.
10/10 would be radicalised again
every time i read this comment i lough again
truly top gear
Alternative title: JJ gets interrupted for an hour and a half
To be fair anytime jj was interrupted I laughed at what jreg are art Chad said
I love this more candid JJ in these videos he’s been featured in lately,it’s refreshing and feels like you get to see him more in a way of the person he is
"Maturity" and "wisdom" arguments suck so much. Its like authority arguments but for anyone who wants to discredit younger people than themselves.
Zero substance
I wish I was as eloquent as JJ, but my take is that pathos based arguments are more effective against the young. Young people don't have the experience to recognize pathos (wisdom). They also don't have the mental framework in place to override pathos with logos (maturity). Not that they're always wrong because of it.
@@jesusdesanto432 "lol"
"If you ask the average person I think they'll say they're doing fine"
The most delusional take thus far into the video, and that's saying something. Glad Jreg called him on it.
I cannot believe this is a real video it’s just JJ being so serious and Jreg not being able to resist saying something absolutely brain dead in response
JJ is being braindead Jreg is cooking
It's actually so bad
this is some gigacope, half of everything JJ said was neoliberal propaganda, with no sources to back them up lmao,
he literally supports a collapsing system and talks down to the younger people constantly.
Do you actually find JJ's take insightful? The guy live on a completely different planet.
@@brent3086 I think you just have brain rot
A big thing to add on: in my American friend group so many of us literally just go without health care. I know 4 or 5 people that are ignoring health problems because they can't afford to seek treatment. It's very scary/ stressful to be in that place
Why don’t they buy Obamacare?
@@JJMcCullough they might mean without healthcare rather than health insurance. Low cost plans like Obamacare often have pretty high co-pays and upfront costs for actually getting medical attention. Cheaper than it would be with no insurance but still a lot. I have Tricare (military health insurance available for me because my dad was military, better than Obamacare, still not super great) and had to pay $250 out of pocket last time I went to the doctor for a checkup. I don't go to the doctor anymore.
Edit: Just looked up average doctor visit co-pay with insurance in the US and it's around $100 a visit for primary care.
@JJMcCullough some of us have insurance through work, some of us don't have insurance because it feels excessively expensive. All of us avoid actually using health care services at all because we can't afford the out of pocket expenses.
@@trombonegamer14 I’m asking about you though, are you buying insurance through Obamacare?
@JJMcCullough I still have health insurance for a few more months through my mom who is a pediatrician. After that I'll try to get it through the musicians union. A lot of my friends including my roommates and girlfriend parents either don't have insurance or their plans are so restrictive that they're afraid to make use of it at all.
As a zoomer who has a large group of friends but previously didn’t. Life is objectively better with people in it, even if you were satisfied with your life alone
You still have enough time left to also learn it's better to be alone than to be with some people.
I thought JJ had some interesting opinions then i heard him say "aboot" and discarded everything he said for the rest of the podcast
It's really frustrating. It shouldn't be, but it is.
I don't really follow. Is his accent just too thick to listen through?
@@walkingfish703"Aboot" is meant to be how Canadians say "about" in their accent but most Canadians claim it's fake and no one pronouces it like that so they believe JJ is faking it when he uses the "aboot" in his own speak.
@@JD-Media In one of his videos where he discusses Canadian accents, he says he doesn't know why his is quite strong. I understand this wouldn't dissuade thinking his accent is put-on. I just hear so many thick southern accents where I work, so JJ's accent seems slight in comparison.
@walkingfish703 It's not that his accent is thick, it just doesn't match any Canadian accent I've ever heard. Everyone I know with a heavy Canadian accent says it more like "a-boat," not "a-boot." Aboot is generally how Americans who have never heard a true Canadian accent think it's pronounced here. It sounds like it's supposed to be a joke, but apparently it's just how he talks and it's quite jarring. It also sounds out of place with the rest of his accent; "about" seems to be the only word he canadianizes so heavily. It really isn't a big deal - his ideas are still worth listening to - but I definitely find it distracting.
Jreg has a significantly higher understanding of political theory than the other two, but uses this knowledge to troll his co-hosts in the most ridiculous way possible.
Very good.
Why do you say that? Any example (timestamp) where you see him going deeper than the other 2?
@@olemew More like offhanded quips throughout
Comes off more as childish
@@stealthiestboyI think he's more down to earth and sees how silly these others 2's point are. It's like the other 2 guys live in a completely different world
I don't think Jreg has any "understanding" of political theory at all--he's just moderately knowledgeable about it. As in, he can name off a bunch of obscure ideologies and tell you the basics about their central tenets, but I doubt he's sat down to read any of it to even arrive at a higher understanding of political theory.
I love that despite disagreeing with JJ often he manages to come off as likeable and friendly, like hell my eco anarchist self & him won't see eye to eye on a lot but I'd love to be on a panel or a chat at a restaurant with the guy, cool dude
Also I relate to his look of "wtf is going on" lol this podcast certainly has a uhhh vibe lol
He’s very genuine and honest and I appreciate that, I’d rather talk to an honest centrist (who I disagree with politically) than a dishonest leftist (who I might agree with politically).
@@antlerbraum2881 likewise
take a shower
@@zarathustra8643 original
American here: the economy is not doing fine on a personal level.
Man, I like JJ as a person and I like his videos a lot, but he had some really terrible takes in this video. I was actually really surprised by some of the naiveite he exhibited here.
He's annoyingly conservative.
I concur, he had some downright shit takes
exactly this! i like some of his culture videos but his conservatism is so annoying
@@unshiba It’s a very strange form of conservatism though, it’s like an unholy trinity of conformist establishment centrism, neoconservatism (but without the interventionism), and Canadian conservatism.
The real horseshoe theory is that so many gay men are for some reason quite conservative
Conservativism encompasses a lot more than just social values. But even the social values are not off-limits to gay men. It's perfectly reasonable to want a society that allows gay marriage but discourages drug usage, crime, identity politics, etc.
@@Jake-rs9nq Yes, thank you. Now google what a joke is.
@@Jake-rs9nq Imagine unironically thinking Butt-Marriage isn't intrinsically far-left 😆😆
@@lilben4184 It isn't.
@@Jake-rs9nq Good joke, I laughed. You might as well be saying that there's a 'cOnsErvAtIvE' (aka RINO) argument for all White men everywhere unaliving themselves right after donating their entire net worth to blax. "How do you do, fellow conservatives! Did you, fellow conservatives, know that conservatism consists of giving the Left whatever it wants, just five years after the Left asks for it?" 😂😂 You're fooling no one.
Answering the question about how under 30 year olds are doing. My friend group in in the 18-25 demographic and here's a rundown of our situations:
-Myself and 3 of my friends (we'll call them A, B, & C) are in University full time, and myself, B, and C also work part time. A, C, and me all live with family, but B moved out of province and lives with roommates. We'll all graduate with a fair bit of debt (I'm looking at around $30k CAD). Two of us essentially got our jobs through nepotism which has made life a lot easier.
-My friend D is in a trades apprenticeship and lives with family. He seems to be doing alright for himself.
-My friends E & F did not attend post-secondary and work full time. E lives with a roommate and is the stereotypical moderately poor early-to-mid-20s kid. F lives with family, but has enough savings to move out if she wants.
-G is really struggling financially. He lives with his family and pays rent, but probably won't be able to make rent this month. He is unemployed and searching desperately for work but is having no luck. He also really struggles with his mental health, in large part because of the stress he's under. We all worry about him because of this, and none of us have great financial literacy so it's really hard to help him manage his situation.
-Most of the kids are alright, but some are really struggling. I'd say that while we are planning for a "normal" future, most of us don't know what to expect, especially in regards to the climate, affordability issues like housing, and the job market for entry-level jobs. About half of us currently have mental health issues ranging from depression & anxiety, autism, a personality disorder, etc. and some deal with those better than others, but we are pretty open with each other about mental illness. While life can certainly be hard for many reasons, we try to be there for each other as much as possible and it definitely feels like we've built a family.
JJ is so fueled by copium
Another tough watch. Keep up the work!
Wait, wdym about tough watch in the context of the video?
Is it really engaging that you can't stop watching it? Or is it repulsive in some manner? Or it just hit really deep and is generally ''based'?
Would like to know.
@@goodgamernavijreg is rude.
@@callmetnt1 jrude
@@callmetnt1 him and jj are (were???) roommates. They understand how the other ticks. Dont be weird
it’s a PODCAST idito! you don’t WATCH, you SIT YOUR ASS DOWN and LISTEN!
the "youth", an almost 40-year old man that believes new generations are stupid, yea sounds about right
Alternate Title: @JJMcCullough's Reverse Intervention
Reverse gangbang
There's a part of me that dies a little inside every time JJ and artchad express ignorance about other peoples lack of financial well-being based on their anecdotal experience of privilege.
"The housing crisis isn't that bad because we're not all in cardboard boxes" 🤮
Yah agreed, kind of a bad take.
I’ve always found it interesting that JJ believes that basically anyone who has a phone and lives in a house is middle class. I guess myself and my friends/family are “privileged” enough to not be homeless and living under a bridge, but I wouldn’t consider any of us middle class. One serious accident and we’re financially fucked
@@kev1257fulyeah bro I'm middle class and I'm gonna be upper class soon. HOLY SHIT, people raise like MULTIPLE CHILDREN off of this kind of money nowadays. How does anyone survive!?!?
@@rilesmattix5217 what are you even saying dude 😂
half of the comments have no idea who jreg is
They all come from the JJ fanbase
You'd be surprised by our overlap.@@Itsmespiv4192
i’ll bite: who is “jreg”?
@@expedition346the host of the podcast....
This podcast smells like the room of the third-year history major who still lives in the dorms.
like weed, basically.
I'm under 30. I have no friends. I'm unemployed. I'm being evicted on November 30th. I'm happier than I've ever been.
I have a dentist appointment on the 30th. We’re kinda the same
@__-wm9lu you'll be okay, just don't think about it. block it out
What are your plans for the next chapter of your life?
@@vjmcgovern I talk about it on that other app 😜
How are you happy? And what happens next?
Christchurch was absolutely an internet based attack
oklahoma city bombing’s death toll was over triple that of christchurch. i dont think his point was that radicalized domestic terrorism isnt a serious issue anymore, just that its become less of an issue or at least hasnt gotten worse
@@blew1t there are so many shootings in the US which are at least in part inspired by radicalised politics accessed through the internet, in australia here for example recently two cops were called out, ambushed and murdered by some schizos who were radicalised by conspiracy theories on the internet and this is a mostly non-gun owning nation. The individual incidents arent as deadly but does that really matter when A. people are still being murdered B. the amount of incidents is growing steadily?
New Zealand isn't real
"Christchurch was absolutely a based attack" FTFY
@@lilben4184 wow youre so cool and edgy. happy now little guy
the jreg-jj partnership is probably my favourite on the internet, and idk who the other guy is but the batyushka shirt goes hard
Young under-thirty here. I'd consider myself lonely. All my friends I still talk to are people from highschool who live on the other side of the country. We all come from upper-middle class or lower-upper class families. All going to college now. I'm rapidly accruing massive debt but they all have it covered by their parents. We all were high-achieving in school. By all means we should be happy. But even from this privileged group, only about half of us are doing "alright". A third of us are doing very poorly emotionally and are far from subtle about it. I estimate a couple more are unhappy but don't show it. Maybe one or two people seem genuinely content. Everyone else seems "fine", neither particularly happy nor unhappy.
go full messianic complex on them mfs and uplift your friends in your schizoid light. amen
In this identical situation. Most annoying is how it’s almost a given that individuals will “wake up” to how bs and scam ridden things are; how privileged and powerful they could be or are…. and then standard practice is do nothing, never talk about it, take advantage of and promote ignorance lmao
I feel everyone feeling happy at once or even the majority is not a realistic standard to have.
This isn't a new norm by any means. Life has been incredibly hard for all of human civilization and it's less hard now than it's ever been besides maybe a couple decades 50 years ago.
I think maid is morally and politically lazy and abhorrent excuse to not find social policies and instead profit off peoples material desperation however I would love to see an ad on a subway ride that says “die now!” Respectfully that would make me giggle every time I see it cuz of the absurdity lmao
JJ in this environment is super interesting. Y'all should make him a permanent member lol. I'd listen to this every week. Probably would be exhausting for JJ tho lol
I’m early thirties living on disability check of 1k/month. I used to work part time, but if I work even 10 hours a week at 10/hr than I no longer qualify for full Medicaid. I also have cancer so cannot afford to live without health insurance. I live in a relatively cheap apartment which is $650/month but I’m not left with much. I’m just waiting around to die and completely estranged from anybody because I can’t work. This isn’t right, I should be allowed to work at least part time so I can talk to people and be apart of my community
I'm in the same situation as you! Early 30's and on disability. I am not able to drive, and so I'm stuck deep in suburbia unable to walk to any sort of community space and only have online communities.
@@manty_monster hey amigo, that’s too bad you can’t drive. The way our cities are set up is weird, if you don’t have a car it’d be tough I can’t imagine. Luckily my car is pretty reliable so far but idk what I’d do if it crapped out. Do you live with family? What kinda online communities are you apart of? My social worker gave me some info for online support groups, might give it a try but would still prefer in person
Nothing happening is just blind optimism. I wish nothing will happen, but its pretty clear to everyone we are headed toward a rocky path. Nothing is one of the best options we have, but to even get nothing we have to do something. Because as it stands if we actually do nothing then its not nothing we'll get, but something terrible.
Under 30 here. Have no friends anymore except 2 co-workers who are also under 30. We work at a pizza place full time and either live with our parents to help them pay rent or in incredibly shitty apartments. One guy is in training to be an HVAC repairman but the rest of us are stagnant. Being pretty stingy with money I've managed to put away a couple thousand a year which will probably go to a new car so I can get to work when my current one dies. My 3 old friends from college I still kinda keep in touch with are in the workforce as well now. One of them is a teacher, and lives with his parents and seems ok. One is a photographer for one of those yearbook companies and lives with his grandma and seems ok. One is in grad school and seems very sad.
That's just personal experience but saying that's reality for everyone is as dumb as JJ's not-really-an-argument dismissing that things are bad because the people saying things are bad online don't have it that bad.
I don't think things are good currently for the world at large but all of us have kinda checked out of grustle culture stuff, and we're all kinda comfortable living ascetically. I bet there's lots of opportunity for people born into the middle class and up willing to put in the time for it.
Only wrote this out cause I think JJ is super out of touch, you guys touched on confirmation bias with people you meet and those you never see a little bit but he really needs to take that to heart. Strikes me as a dude who thinks he just might be immune to propaganda. Sorry, that was mean and probably not altogether true.
Army is paying a 50k enlistment bonus for some jobs. See the world.
Yeah, there is a vast growth in homelessness that JJ seems to completely ignore. Which is only gonna get worse the more people brush it off. Stagnant wages and an unincentived job market full of corporate greed doesn't make one positive about the future.
@@tcm81 nah, my dad was in the Marines for 20 years and made me swear to him I'd never join the military in any capacity. I'm not super big on obeying your elders but I love the guy.
@@RiskofdisconnectThat's fair enough.
Love JJ but I agree I think he is very out of touch on this. Like sure in the western world we may have more “comforts” in some ways but the housing crisis, low wages, opioid epidemic here and inaccessible health care (among many things) are absolute realities
As a 28 year old engineer whose friend group primarily consists of fellow engineers I met at Waterloo and their partners… All are working decent jobs but can’t afford a home besides one couple who both work at google in Downtown Kitchener and bought a decrepit century home right before the pandemics and even they had help from their parents. The rest of us are living in either our parent’s basements, half of a bungalow or 1 bedroom apartments and can’t afford to move
Did you consider buying an apartment rather than renting or buying a house? I feel like people neglect the idea of just getting half an inch up the property ladder (some 50k crap-shack paid off in 6 years) makes getting your 2nd place a million times more possible
@@aceman0000099I could never live in an apartment again, but instead of crying for being unable to afford a beautiful suburban house I just went and got some land in a rural area near a smaller town for around 60k USD and I am building a 1 bedroom house to get out of that rentoid life soon 😊
Plus now I have my own little waterfall and three creeks going through my backyard.
@@aceman0000099it’s southern Ontario, condos are still north of 500k literally everywhere within two hours of Toronto, same for shitty falling apart 2 bedroom houses
@@Felipera_ that's brilliant brother. Masha Allah
@@Felipera_ literally impossible working in southern Ontario, gotta move a hundred miles north into the wilderness before you can get anywhere near your price point for a decent parcel
wait you're supposed to have more than one place to live, work, and socialize? No way!
Ive even heard of some people that do this weird thing called "in person university" where they attend giant levture halls and meet real people with the same interests as them.
Idk if i believe them tho, all my university had were these zoom classes where either their face or initals were kept in a neat little box, then that just transferred to work. So much more efficient than having to GO places
Commuting is whack
Online classes and work from home is based
JJ, the problem isn’t us young people are experiencing material abject poverty, it’s more of a despondency we feel to the disparity of prosperity vs financial security we face compared to older generations. We either can live securely l and not afford middle class luxuries like a home and a couple care, or we can live like our parents and live pay check to paycheck.
Older generations did not have a happy go-lucky time either. They went through a couple crashes, interest rates up the wazoo, taxes even higher and half the world trying to eat them up.
@@johnnotrealname8168 post-ww2 seemed pretty cool for a couple of decades
@@johnnotrealname8168
I can acknowledge that there have been lots of challenges for previous generations, but in my mind there's no denying that boomers and early genX experienced the most favourable financial conditions of any generation in history so far, and possibly ever.
The boomers all lived together through one of the biggest expansions in the ratio of workers:dependents in history, all while lowering taxes on themselves throughout their best earning years from the 90's to now and dropping interest rates to 0% to inflate the values of their assets as they go into cash burn for retirement... the demographic trend is reversing itself on the current working generations and the gains from interest rate declines is already made.
It's possible that zoomers also go on to ride off into the sunset and do very well, but it doesn't seem likely that things will turn out anywhere near as well as it did for the boomers.
@@serdirtbagoftheleft4045 it always depends who you are and where you lived, for all the 60s kids having fun taking acid and owning a house with one job, there were kids who were struggling in bad neigbourhoods and couldn't even afford a good living
@serdirtbagoftheleft4045 Ironic that a left-wing perspective is that the '50s was perfect or something. In any case I meant the '70s to 2010s.
As a person who is under 30 me and my friend group are doing well. 🎉 we just started kindergarten
It's not that theres a profit incentive to MAID, it's a savings incentive. Conservatives would rather allocate that medical care to someone who's upwardly mobile and employed.
Conservatives absolutely hate people that don't contribute to society, whether or not they rely on them (i.e. burger king waiters)
why not give it to the less fortunate so they can get employment
MAID is a right that Canadians fought for in the court system, I'm genuinely frustrated with how moral reactionaries are trying to take away the right to dignified death. If I get Alzheimer's or a similarly debilitating disease then I want the ability to quickly end things while my mind is still my own.
Because JJ asked. Me and my friends are not doing well right now. I'm 23, give 70% of my monthly earnings to my landlord and have one of the cheapest crappiest studio apartments in my city. Out of my two best friends they're both addicted to prescription drugs, one lives in his van in his parents driveway and has never managed to go on a date with a woman in his life. The other friend, him and his wife had to move back in with their parents after small payments on massive medical debt from an accident made it so their expenses were just higher than they could make combined every month.
I've been eating nothing but beans and rice and chicken for 5 months just trying to put enough money aside to cover my rent in the event that I loose my job.
Life is real hard for the average person in the American south right now.
@JJMcCullough so you might actually see the previous comment.
Also just want to add the gist of it is everyone I know from highschool except one or two people all live with their parents and have no hope of ever moving out any time soon.
I also want to add me and my friends aren't like trailer trash working dead end jobs. Them and I all have like real careers in trades or requiring college degrees.
To be able to be happy I've pretty much just learned to shed all consumerist material desires from myself, and spend probably 100$ a month outside rent and bills.
As a transboomer zoomer, I'm glad this podcast has come out.
I feel somehow more radical after this...
those shows are great but you should kiss
my thoughts exactly
JJ is not centrist, he is one of those right wingers that pretends to be centrist. Unless he left the right since last I checked - but also, saying "well our right-wing-ism up here is actually different.." is provably horseshit.
that all said, he very fetching - would do him all night long.
Where has this been all my life??? This is amazing
We have a terrible homelessness problem in almost every major city in the U.S. and the people who can still manage to put a roof over their head either have to rent a place with 5 other people or work 60+ hours a week. A lot of cities are putting laws into place that are making being unhoused illegal instead of working on plans to make sure everyone has adequate housing. Simply being alive in this country costs an insane amount of money and If we don’t slave our lives away to pay it all then we will be put in jail. We’re so fucked and simply voting for someone other than Biden won’t do shit about it.
jj can try making has arguments sound kinda believable for americans and canadians maybe, but he forgot other counries exist (i live in russia)
I'm an immigrant under 30, living and studying on a part-time minimum wage job and I experience a much higher quality of life here than I had in Eastern Europe. I don't really have many local friends, but I never really had them in my home country either, so I don't see a problem with that.
Where the fuck can you afford housing + college on a part time minimum wage job????
@@scoopy5739 I had savings for college, I live in a basement in the suburbs of GTA and get enough to pay for rent and food.
congratulations on being the first ever podcast I've been able to sit all the way through
I'm a 19 y/o left-wing Zoomer and my situation is kinda shitty all around bc I have no means of transportation (a vehicle costs alot to operate and there's no public transportation here) and so have trouble just getting around to any "second or third places." I also recently got laid off from my job due to a a medical emergency and so I no longer had insurance and so could no longer get my prescription medications which has been damaging to both my mental and physical health. I'm currently broke and in the process of applying for new jobs rn (have been for about a month) but I rarely receive any responses or interviews. Most of the "Now Hiring Jobs" in my area require an Associates Degree or Higher. The process of having to spend most of my day scouring the internet for businesses in my area hiring and making phone calls only to face continuous rejection has felt degrading.
The reason I am left-wing is because social saftey nets which have been maligned by general american politics as "radical socialism" would've been useful in my circumstances so I didn't "fall through the cracks of society."
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I've thought about it before but besides the cost of immigrating overseas being an expensive endeavor I do have a sense of patriotism for my country.
@@thotslayer9914I recently moved to Germany from the USA for grad school, I wouldn't say it's easily doable for someone in their situation
stay strong!!! try looking for job that have esstenail functions. (grocery stores, hardware store, feed stores), its annoying asf that theyll have the sign posted and never call back.. i also recommend reading historical or politcal books in your limited free time
There are LOADS of social safety nets but the money is either misused or hidden somewhere. It's really easy to get money and assistance if you know how to do it.
there are no safety nets in the United States, like at all. @@rilesmattix5217
I thought I would listen to a few minutes...I ended up listening to the whole podcast.
I am also now a MAGA Communist. Thanks JJ
My friends and I in America, all vaguely early 20s, work most of the time and live paycheck to paycheck. Most of us have been homeless and will be again.
Hitler totally did use the window dressing of nostalgia. I'm always surprised at how confident and wrong JJ is. It was called the Third Reich for a reason.
But 'window dressing' indicates that this nostalgic image was illegitimate. The National Socialist ideology was nostalgic for a time that never existed. They wished for a return from modern social democracy to the ancient forests of Germany. They wished to revive the 'national spirit' of the Germans who resisted the Roman empire, not imperialism. Clearly the use of 'third Reich' was a disingenuous attempt to root the fascist state in the recent past to illustrate that imperial might was the German destiny, that 'Judeo-Bolshevik' corruption of the German race was what had shifted Germany from that mission. Hitler was not nostalgic for the second Reich, it was far too aristocratic and complacent to represent the true virile strength of the German race to him. I think there's no doubt that this visage of nostalgia was a propaganda tool, not the genuine realisation of Hitler's belief in the goodness of the near past
You had me at "A boat"
A Canadian conservative is far different than an American one too
As a dual citizen can confirm they're both wieners with full pampers but don't have to worry about getting shot in Canada for hurting their feelings which is pretty dope
There are no conservatives
In the us
Right, JJ reminds me of a standard Democrat in the US
If you want a good left wing debater who is debating for all the right reasons, is incredibly smart yet very young and is very open minded. Alex O'Connor
Sam Seder is a great debater as well, especially against libertarians
the idea of jreg debating alex o'connor is hysterical to me lmaoooo
just imagine a polite british man in a suit answering questions about the nazbols or anime even more seriously, i hope it will happen one day
Alex J. O’Conner isn’t even left, he’s a centrist centre-left liberal secularist lmao
The brightest minds this side of yellowstone. Great work once again
cool video! off now to the office, excited to see my coworkers!
Bernie being labeled as Far-Left is crazy.
The real problem here is the liberal-centrists hate anyone who isn't them or blindly follow their ideology, any other idea thats not moderate or liberal is branded as dangerous and subversive, which it is. I really hate these enlightened centrists
I mean is there a Democrat Inner Party member who isnt a millionaire?
Isn't he a soc dem or dem soc?
@@DylanHabibi He’s a social democrat. Definitely important to make that distinction.
@@DylanHabibi democratic socialism isn't a term any serious person uses. That's like saying "democratic liberalism," it's either redundant or contradictory depending on your opinion and if you're somewhere in the middle you're wrong.
I mean he is lmao. He is not an “international moderate”. If he was a Swedish politician, he’d be a member of one of the left-wing socialist parties, which, make no mistake, absolutely considered radical and outside the overtone window than the SDP and Conservative Parties.
Id be more critical of jj if he wasnt so darn cute
I love having JJ on this podcast. Honestly, JJ would do a lot of good just sharing his thoughts on things in a conversational form like this. I tend to agree with JJ about debates; however I feel like the reason most debates fail to help people get closer to the "truth" is because of their combative nature. In a Podcast like this, where you can have a conversation in good faith and as friends, it feels like this kind of content will change more minds than any debate would. BTW Id love to come on the podcast anytime :P
Video games are like if opera hadn't failed
JJ's encouragement at the end was wholesome :)
JJ is probably one of the most polite and wholesome people you'll meet.
I'm under 30, married, own a home, two nice cars. Small house, used cars, but still plenty well for enough for my age. Until I had a kid. My single largest expense is childcare and trying to get a raise to make ends meet cost me my job. All of a sudden I feel a lot like the other 27 year olds. Can't follow the advice of older generations because getting a job that can afford having a kid means well over $100,000 income for the household.
The real issue is the extreme difficulty of coming up with enough savings to pay a proper down payment in anything. Building equity in anything is the result of a lucky break and having a kid is the end of any short term economic hope unless you are making a ton of money.
But in all things their season. This too shall pass.
Why y'all don't just move to Europe? It's easy to get living permit as an American, and then you can enjoy all of the benefits of normal functioning country, like paid sick leave, mother and father paid leave, state sponsored kindergardens, state funded universities etc.
@@prkp7248Uhhh, it's not easy at all unless you have substantial enough assets ($500k even in "easier" countries like Portugal). That's not even factoring in how difficult it is to get sponsorship to work...
Damn, well, good on you for being married with a home. I've been living with a partner for the first time ever where I'm on the lease, but it's a shitty apartment in a bad neighborhood near public transportation since neither of us have a car and we still have to get food boxes sometimes to eat. And I got my degree in an actual "job field", so I'm pretty bitter making less than some retail workers who I was warned about being if I didn't go to college even though if I'd been born a few years later I'd have become a CZcamsr instead. Really was born at the worst time.
@@_lil_lil And I bet the rent is so high it makes it prohibitive to get any savings going to try to advance your economic situation.
Also, I love the paradox of what we got sold. First it was "go to school or you'll spend the rest of your life flipping burgers" and now it's "what, are all of you too good to flip burgers?" The ladder definitely feels like it got pulled up at some point.
I was talking to my wife about how way back in the day, you got ahead if you had 1.5 incomes in the household. Now 2 is the standard to keep afloat. If you don't have 2.5+ incomes getting ahead is nearly impossible. But they didn't add more hours to the day or days to week, and "normal" jobs are demanding more overtime than they have in decades. Definitely makes it tough to have hope, but it's not like there is any solution but keep hoping for hard work to finally pay off.
@@prkp7248 Life is more than economic situations. Some of it is silly pride. Some of it is family ties. But mostly I believe that running away will not do the world a lick of good. This is our fight to win. I won't be winning anything from the sidelines
I'm an hour in and Jreg added basically nothing to this convo which made me sad
25 yr old. A majority of my friends are struggling to move out but materially comfortable
JJ is so nice. I wonder what it is like to see the world like he does.
hate to burst your bubble but-wrongly. he sees it wrongly. from a privileged position.
on a less tendentious topic, he sees “technology” like smartphones as good!
Asking the real questions like “is the death of innocences morally acceptable” truly a question without an answer.
JJ is cool despite being a lapdog of the establishment
Seconded!
Literally thats what makes him so annoying to me. Hes so full of himself about it too, like he genuinely thinks hes morally correct when he isnt and thinks he is somehow a free thinker when really hes just a cuck for the status quo. its so narcissistic and annoying 💀
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It manifests in things like starting a family later. Living with your parents longer. Never growing up.
Yes it's of course not the case that people land on the street in most cases. But that's because they take safer decisions to avoid that scenario. It's like the cost of living crisis. People buy worse food, they don't go down the list in most expensive order and starve.
On MAID. My mom had health conditions and a botched surgery leaving her in constant pain. After insurance fucked up leaving her without pain medicine going through morphine withdrawal she decided to try and tough it out without them because apparently that withdrawal was worse than living in pain.
We lived in America. Had no access to MAID. I loved her and didn't want to hear about it but im going to be honest that would have been more dignified than what happened. I miss her love her but she's not suffering anymore and I feel selfish for not wanting to hear about her pleas for MAID.
My big problem with maid is what you dealt with at the start of your sentence, botched surgery, messed up insurance, Johnson and Johnson his killed just about more Americans then the Wars American has been in and they got away with a simple fine and forever vacation for a few of their top brass, If this becomes common place in America, the system isn’t going to try to fix insurance or better surgery’s, it’s most likely just gonna push that life suck and it’s better not to suffer, without the common sense of trying to make future medical procedures or finances easier, and just add more to MAID, Im sorry about what happened to your mother, I can’t imagine how hard that can be seeing them suffer and wanting a peaceful out, but I just don’t trust the system here, tho on the other hand, maby might as well with everything falling apart here in the states, it’s going to be a bit before things are good here, like easily buying a house from a close to minimum wage job, and getting affordable healthcare good.
MAID sweeps a bad healthcare system under the rug. Don't take it. That's why a lot of conservatives or even disabled people reject it in the US. Americans live in the shadow of Buck v Bell, which sterilized the disabled regardless of whether they actually had a disability or not. The victim in that case was r@ped and the perps had her labelled an imbecile to cover it up.
First time listener, what a ride
Me and my friend group share an apartment in order to make bills affordable. We’re all on the way to making good money as engineers but none of us will be able to afford a house until our mid to late thirties. I think a lot of my peers are upset that they can’t move through the usual stages of life at the rate our parents did.
Should have been born rich
I'm 27, I'm doing ok, no debt, have a job where I can make rent and have extra for travel and such. Can I buy a house anytime soon? No. Could my retirement fund be more robust? Yes. But I'm not worried about survival. And yeah I live alone, not with my parents or even a roommate. I'd say most of my buddies are in similar positions, give or take on some things. But I don't think the economy being bad is entirely in our heads, it may not be catastrophically broken, but just look at the prices of everything in the past couple of years.
So I'm 24 years old, most of my friend group is the same or similar age. I would say financially we're surviving, some of us are in great debt, but no one is starving. The critical point imo, is that most of us would agree we're doing worse than our parents were doing at our age, and we have very little hope of ever getting there. Additionally, mental health isn't great, but that could just be because of how destigmatized it has become. Last thing is that my friend group is pretty close. I don't think we're lonely, we hang out multiple times a week. Big reason for that is because we're too poor to pay rent without roommates....
ive been binging these podcast episodes because i havent got any friends. yesterday i watched the Plastic Pills episode. we kept pressing him about purpose and meaning. JJ makes a solid point at 43:00 about expectations for life. having no expectations is a great cope, and is THE cope of post-modernism.
i grew up evangelical where everyone is obsessed with finding "Gods purpose for their life." (thanks rick Warren.) and discovering for myself that i wasnt going to be Abraham or Moses or David -- and instead i should live life easy, pray often if desired, find fulfillment in my regular job, dont be a doomer about how dead-end life is -- was such a liberating moment for me.
Ah yes Bernie Sanders the “extreme left” Lmfao
Had no idea you had a podcast so I clicked and I breathed a sigh of relief that this isn’t a video essay
same lmaooooo 😭
"destiny used to be a normal person" ah yes. professional starcraft player. i know many of these in my day to day life. very normal
My friend group all work overtime to the bone, wanting to achieve the same usual milestones, house, wife, children. But the pace will be exceptionally slower than our parents generation. We are just getting by, none would refer to our situation as "doing well", but we are staying afloat and above water. The cost of groceries and home loan interest rates are the 2 most glaring issues for most 22-30 year olds in my circle.
I’m a 22 year old zoomer from the upper middle class. All my friends are doing alright, we went to college, pursued business or policy related majors, graduated, and have entry level jobs which don’t pay very well, but better than minimum wage. The general consensus is feeling lost, which is normal for our age. The thing is there isn’t as much structure in society to help guide young people through that feeling of being lost.
You are and will always be a worker. There no nothing more to this life other than that. Things don’t get better and will most likely get worse.
@@mr.benchwormer7723Sisyphus happy
@@mr.benchwormer7723 Proletarian sounds way cooler than worker. Say that instead.
33:30 I'm 19 right now, I have friends but i don't see them in real life and i don't really talk to them on discord because i don't really like discord. So a lot of the time it feels like i don't have any friends.
Very fortunately, my financial situation is very good. I'm studying computer science, specifically machine learning, so i'm pretty confident that I can make decent money once i'm done with my degree, and my parents are technically upper class so basically both in the short term and long term i'll have enough cash to live comfortably. Not that I spend money frivolously anyways.
The main thing i'm very nervous and self conscious about is my lack of meaningful/romantic relationships. Most days, i just lay in bed watching youtube or doing schoolwork and not going outside. I have pretty bad social anxiety and have difficulty connecting with other people, so instead of making the important connections and community necessary to grow as a person I simply isolate and distract myself with youtube. I have basically zero romantic experience whatsoever and i'm terrified to go out there and just experiment for fear of physical and moral consequences. I should also mention that i'm bisexual, but have a preference for males, so you know, the consequences for using dating apps could potentially be a lot higher and more scary than using a dating app as a straight guy. Or maybe that's not true, I literally have no idea because i'm so inexperienced. I don't even know if my preference for males is even real. What if I get out there and then i actually find out i like straight relationship dynamics better this whole time? I mean, i kinda doubt it because the prospect of a gay relationship is the only reason i'm motivated to not be a virgin at all, but still it demonstrates how little i know basically.
In Quebec Canada 24 years old .doing ok but love to complain about the problems me and my friends perceive. Buddies work construction in Ottawa and make good money. I uses to work security and made ok money. Problems for my friends group is buying a house and for me it’s growing my business making furniture (a non essential product that relies on people having stability with disposable income). Life could be a lot worse but love to complain. Overall fairly happy.
Politics could be mapped as a cube with a 4th dimension categorized as time.
The dimensions or spectrums are:
Socialist - Capitalist
Is the economy driven primarily by collective/public planning and investment, or individual/private planning and investment?
International - Nationalist
Is there respect for all cultures and peoples, or is there a feeling of being superior to other peoples?
Democratic - Plutocratic
Is political power held by the masses or the few?
Progressive - Traditional
Is the ideology and culture driven primarily by scientific methods or by historical religious and ideological beliefs?
I moved out at 21, had to move back in with my parents due to their failing health, spent two and a half years taking care of them and helping them move to another city 300 km away, now I'm still living with them, I have trouble finding work due to my sparse history, time gap, one of my references died of a heart attack, I spend every day switching between panicking about the state of my life (couldn't go to college, don't have a career, don't have any talents) and just barely holding my shit together, I'm almost 25 now.
I'm not doing great.
My friends and I have just entered university, and most of us aren't thinking after our undergraduate degrees tbh. I feel that we all know we will have to live at home after we graduate, so we'll either have to stay at school longer and get better degrees or try to find work in an over saturated/underpaying economy. There is dome sense of doomer-ism, but I think that as long as I temper my expectations, I'll be fine.
You can tell there's a lot of people from JJ's audience from the Jreg hate in the comments.
It's going both ways
a breath of fresh air in this world
thank you for picking up every single lick of the lozenge on the mic
To the question JJ asked about how the under 30 feel. I'm 29, good job, recently engaged. My shit is alright even though it was hard work. And I sometimes have the realisation that my doomerism comes from the people around me, who are in the same age group and having a much harder time.
My pessimism comes from the fact that ever since I emigrated to Canada 10 years ago I have not seen it move in a positive direction, while the shit hole of a country I come from in Easter Europe is actually changing for the better.
The best example for this is that my parents called me absolutely distraught at the situation because they had to wait 2 hrs to get served in an emergency room for a minor problem in Bulgaria for free. I couldn't stop laughing because my father in law had just spent a total of 10 hrs in emergency rooms to get a Tetanus shot the week before.
I just feel like healthcare, the housing market and our political union is failing because of a weak leader. And since we have a de-facto 2.5 party state the alternatives are just as bad. I'm literally having to look forward to 2030 for a PM who is not a complete knob and that makes me sad.