Joshua Citarella Re-radicalizes Us
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i read three books after watching this, i hate reading. please keep this guy around, we need this guy.
thanks geometry dash serial killer
the ol' dopamine receptors are eatin good today
destructive framework
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damn he was at Rhode Island school of design at the same time as Sam Hyde
I was expecting for somebody to ask him about that
same person??? comrade hyde??
they were lovers actually
It's like a parent trap sort of situation. They swapped clothes and they're trying to get mom and dad back together again.
Immediately thought of Sammy
I- this makes me wanna read a book.
Brilliant episode (microphone problems notwithstanding). The best one yet.
Brogan has gotten really good at holding it together while Greg buzzes, fidgets, inexplicably looks straight into the camera, and appears to not be paying attention, until he speaks up and indicates that he is actually entirely engaged in the conversation.
There's a genuine, palpable curiosity that seems to drive Brogan and finds him incredibly well suited to this gig.
I had no idea that Joshua and Jreg knew one another, but of course it makes perfect sense and is ultimately unsurprising.
Joshua was such an excellent guest. He's clear-eyed, deeply knowledgeable, solution oriented, rooted in reality, but with a healthy comprehension of the necessity for ideals toward which we're striving. While I know that in our current world there are those who would scoff at much of what he proposes and observes -- and I certainly don't agree with everything he, or anyone, says (including iterations of myself from the fairly recent past) -- I'd happily associate myself with any coalition of which he was a part. I don't see how, at this moment in history, any reasonable person wouldn't.
You've had some excellent and compelling guests on here -- personally, I'm very fond of CJ the X, and felt the three of you had a great conversation, and Jane Gatsby was entertaining, as was Brogan's barely contained exasperation by the end of the conversation -- but this episode felt like some of the podcast's philosophical underpinnings were elevated from subtext to primary subject.
Great episode (but, in the future, it might be advisable to at least pop an earbud in one of your ears so you know in real time if one of the mics has gone on the fritz... I realize this is obvious, but never let it be said that I'm not kind of a dick).
huge day for the most mentally ill internet addicted person you know
Who are the 2 on the left?
This was the best episode yet. They should definitely bring this guy back on another time.
I’d love this guy to talk to JJ
they said theyre gonna do it
Sure would be nice 🫣
I think a black hole would form if this happened
Ooh please
It wasn't worth it JJ just completely denies ideology exists and pretends like is ought is solved by pragmatism for 2 hours 😢.
I am begging you to have a gender accelerationist on the pod
Gross
@@leiffall1344 Pascal Gross, a quality player for the German national football team
@@leiffall1344 bro you have no idea how good it wld be
@@nullvoid3265 I don't know what gender accelerationism is and that is a good thing
Gender is quite possibly the most goofy and boring "political" idea of the 21st century
Last night I had a dream where I was a guest on Jreg's brand new cooking show, we made steak and fries and I was extremely nervous and I had nothing of interest to say, at the end he just left me there in the kitchen with my own harrowing thoughts. Thanks Jreg
ey bro there are some audio problems later in the podcast
When people bring up Walmart as a planned economy, it's important to understand that, fundamentally, Walmart is still responding to price signals. Planning is determined by Walmart from said price signals. If Walmart did not exist inside a market based society, it would have no price signals to respond to and thus would no longer be able to "plan" as it currently does. Planning is easy when you have price signals that determine your planning for you, in fact, it likely doesn't fit what people normally have in their mind as "planning." Do not mistake administrative practices by a company inside a capitalist system for the existence of socialism.
Instead of looking at “price signals”, you can look at.. y’know.. the thing that is meant to measure. Demand.
@@qwertythefishit is a measurement of demand
@@myusernamehere9972 so is the number of “orders” in your Shopify backend.
@@myusernamehere9972 so is the number of “orders” in your Shopify backend.
@@myusernamehere9972 so is the number of “orders” in your e-commerce backend.
good to hear jreg in his element: yelling into the mic with 10db more gain than the guest
Fr holy shit
i think fluoride is ok yall
its just a stronger ion than what the body produces naturally that rebuids teeth after they are hit with acids
😂
This will be great inspiration for getting my art shadowbanned further.
One term coined by Nick Land which interested me was “teleoplexy” which is similar to one I had developed independently. My understanding is that the object of accelerationism is to study “teleoplexic mechanisms” which pertain to the emergence of teleological feedback complexes or “catastrophes” (which are special cases of “singularities”). The main distinction between left and right accelerationism is that the left treats capital, technology, innovation, and intelligence as naturally separate while seeking to transcend the capitalist order while the right sees these factors, arguments and parameters as not yet separately emerged and instrumental in their mutual self-realization. In terms of math there are a number of approaches to economic issues I could consider, one is categorical cybernetics and systems theory, another is tropical mechanism and institution design.
I think you and Nick Land should compare meth doses
Land is difficult to read and I haven’t made his vocabulary or those of most philosophers part of my everyday lexicon as a mathematics researcher since the Platonic rule states that philosophy should only be allowed for those who have mastered the principles of geometry first.
Stop yapping.
The Nazi Economic System
www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9476/c9476.pdf
I’ll continue then.
“In using tropical geometry, we are able to give incentive constraints algebraic structure. This allows us, for example, to give a (tropical) linear algebraic basis of payments. Why is this interesting you ask? Typically we rely on revenue equivalence to derive incentive compatible payments.”
“Compositional game theory belongs to an emerging common pattern of things that look a bit like lenses if you squint a bit. Also here can be found backpropagation (also this) the Kalman filter, and reinforcement learning (I have unpublished notes on reinforcement learning with open games, and I’ll come back to it).”
Yall need to get Mia Cole on here
Love the guest, Josh is very smart and interesting. However@41 min on, he has a huge hole in his understanding. Amazon/walmart are not centrally planning wohtout use of price signals. The price signals have already been baked into the goods during production (for example, how profitable it is to mine copper at X location, which is shipped to Y company to process it into cathode sheets, which are sold at market rates to mfg firms to produce some cookware let's say. Walmart then negotiates woth the Mfg to buy 1 million units @ $9.90 per. They did no calculation to understand all the steps of mining, processing etc. they just know the mfg is willing to sell at $9.90 per becauae obviously their costs allow for this. Hope that makes sense
A+ tier guest, enjoyed the convo.
Interested in the card game but $70 is wild. Ofc a lefty would give the option to “name a fair price” but $60+10 shipping is the minimum option. I’ll buy in if the price drops closer to $40 shipped 👌
you can print the cards with screenshots from his stream, and you can also find the rulebook i think. alternatively maybe he would sell us a pdf of the images to make it ourselves for like 10-20 bucks
we must beg
@larrysportello383 glad to see there are still ancaps in jreg's audience
Walmart uses economic planning however it is not the same as a planned economy. Having a plan doesnt make you socialist. The market price system is required for walmart to do what it does. If you ha e a 100% planned economy how do you know how much wood to chop? If you chop to much you could possible have so mucb you cant even process it if you chop to little then you dont have enough. How do you know to use wood or use bricks? How do you know to spend more money on engineers to plan a rail road route or if it would be cheaper to just brute force make the rail. Prices hold valuable info in making these decisions.
35:48-41:38 one of the best explainations of neoliberalism and it's irony I've ever heard
Greatest project I've come across, keep it up
Citarella bringing us the Walmartpill.
Not cooking ground beef all the way through in Canada is a indictable offense.
I watched this back to back with the JJ episode, feels like balancing uppers and downers but with political ideology. Need more ASAP
best guest ever
great podcast
JJ's not gonna be happy about this
really good ep, keep it up!
Easily the best guest you've had on the podcast.
bro is it me or is it that around an hour in greg begins to vape so fucking much that all the toxic nicotine vapour gets into josh's mic making it have violent scratchy noises. SMH greg. excellent podcast!
You could have just cut his mic out of the audio boys
Nothin like the pod being interrupted by an ad for AI tools. I will never kill myself!
Possibly your best episode and you have the worst audio in it. Expert move
Pretty sure they put fluoride in tap water as well. It really is for dental health.
great episode!! Def wanna rewatch and mark down all the books and people Joshua brought up, if anyone in the comments hasn't already
there is a reading syllabus if you join DNR
doubt the Tesla air filters given that cybertrucks don't survive a carwash sometimes
I was also thinking that, Tesla will say anything to open the wallets of investors. Let's not forget that the entire EV industry is tanking because it's not possible to provide the amount of copper needed for efficient charging and delivering power to charging stations.
not sure if you caught this, but the ending has really good audio.
Yo!, called it!, do Keith Woods next!, or don't!, I have no power in this equation!
18:50 Huh Greg reads books now.
Idk why water bottlers would be adding fluoride to their water but it is good for your teeth especially if you get it while you're a kid. Dentists can tell if you grew up with fluoridated water because your enamel is much harder so your teeth are more resistant to cavities, decay, etc. My guess is that a lot of places in the US don't have great tap water so adding it to the water that people do drink is another way to deliver it.
Jregs posturing is inspirational 👑
I love watching ur podcast while I cook myself on the nice sandy beaches
jreg dearest can you please provide some timestamps ty ly
st audio for making funky stew at 2.56 - 3.52 am because I have holidays and I deregulated my sleep because in my area is sooo hot nad i just cant live in a day and night ia only time when temperature is barable
Where can we see the card game livestream?
Josh in this video said a couple things I disagree with: 1: that It's impossible to form a broad coalition of people that share the same cultural values. I don't know what gives him the impression that it's easier to get Republicans to support communism, or even unionism than it is to get them to change their "cultural values." The belief that unions are bad IS a cultural value.
Plus, we see what happens when right-wing people "develop class consciousness" it's almost never that they actually organize a unified labor movement with the left, it's stuff like Tucker Carlson being mad at vague "elites."
2: I don't get how he thinks holding biologically essentialist views of race is "incompatible" with a Marxist philosophy of Materialism. I mean, I think men and women are different. At bare minimum most Leftists would have to agree that men and women have physiological differences, even if they would never cop to them being behaviorally different. Is that somehow incompatible with Materialism too?
I've never really understood how people so confidently say other groups have "fundamentally incompatible views" when, typically, if you learn enough about them you come to understand how those views fit together for them.
To "agree that men and women have physiological differences" is to believe in a binary of men and women; and is therefore an idea that many far-leftists would critique as anti-feminist.
JrEg computing with all his cpu threads
Bro lookin like Ted
I was wondering if they edited it that way on purpose 😂
best in show guest on the pod so far
is that interview with a nazbol available anywhere?
I guess I have to become a chemist in order to understand why they are putting flouride in the water.
Also IDK if you have heard of Nate Higgins, I really like his podcast, idk if he would work for your podcast though. He mostly talks about the coming struggles of cryde oil scarcity and interviewing people on that topic.
fluoride is the pink stuff you get at the dentist on the end of an appointment, it cleans your teeth
the point of putting it in tap water is to ensure the population has clean teeth, even if they cannot afford to buy dental care or if they just forget for one day or two to clean their teeth
OMG yes!!
31:25 in the case of using the same rail system, elon musk at one point proposed a great alternative to metro / subway. in LA, only for tesla drivers, he made underground tunnels to fight traffic. that's great and makes sense!!! i love innovation!!!!
the pictures in the card game are all AI generated and thats honestly very lame
honestly considered getting it before i saw this thank you, you saved me some dollars
The bit on carbon cost is a very good idea.
I’m not familiar with a whole lot of left accelerationists, but the more listen to this podcast the more I’m convinced of Nick Land’s conception of self identifying left accelerationists often just deconstructing themselves into traditional socialist politics.
Right accelerationism is about hastening the collapse of the current system. The view is things are heading towards collapse and it's best to just speed it up
I don't think that's what Nick Land and Yarvin are exactly advocating for.
Yarvin isn't an accelerarionist and it's kind of questionable whether Land is right wing
@@i_am_lambdaLand called himself a “hyperracist”
I'd say Land is difficult to place on a strict left-right axis. Racism certainly exists at both extremes of left and right so even if left/right is a useful lens it isn't obvious that being racist means you're on the righg
@@i_am_lambda sure it does. If you have a racial hierarchy in your ideological perspective you are most certainly right wing
One interesting bit of theory that I don't see talked about much is that under our current capitalist system, a co-operatively owned business could easily outcompete similar businesses given the right starting resources. Without a CEO skimming millions off the top, you can reduce prices further than the equivalent corporation would. (The key thing that prevents this from being a reality is the "right starting resources" part.)
This is also with the understanding that the market in which you'll compete in will be fair, which it will not be. Also your access to investment would likely be limited as such a model would be seen as risky, not to mention most financial institutions would probably find it in their best interest that business structures like that don't succeed.
Please get RFK on the pod!!!
some of these claims are absurdly grandiose, obviously outside his area of "expertise," and seem to willfully misinterpret ideas for the sake of making soundbytes. grifty vibes.
"America will make agi first" yeah sure man, you definitely know the timetables on that breakthrough.
"walmart is planned economy" yeah and I'm sure when Japanese companies make 100 year outlooks they're doing a socialism.
"sigma grind set" superstructural elements outlive the economic basis which spawns them, but not indefinitely.
Oh i remembered who he reminds me of! Don Hetrzfeldt !
what is joshua drinking? soy milk? 😂
You should have Claire Nakti next! :]
YES
I have no idea who this guy is, but he’s so.. gentle? I want him to be my art teacher or smth
Best fucking pod
holy shiiiiiiiiiiiit
‘ I spend time at universities and museums doing elite work’ this guy has to be fake.
didnt this guy sue a meme account
Shoutout to artchad's hyperstition vid it's kino
35:50-41:50
No matter how you say it... this sounds like people who haven't earned something wanting to take it from someone else who has. $ isn't a zero sum game.
Damn he's soo based
33:37 oof
@ tha beach :D
Sigma glindset*
I wonder what Joshuas thoughts are on the lands assumption that we are indefinitely moving towards techno singularity! Is somthing there valid or is it all just bullshit? Land is general is an interesting thinker ( - Racism) but the singularity stuff is obviously a sketchy thing to belive in.... right? hahahah
If you folks hate reading and don’t want to listen to an audiobook, socialist channel Second Thought has a very simplified overview of “The People’s Republic of Walmart” called “How Companies Plan the Economy”. But the book really is interesting and I think it’s worth a read.
What happened on October 8th, is this a Canada thing?
Israel declared war on Hamas
@@thesquee1838 oh okay, thank you
Got daham this guy is insecure and clout dropping. Poor guy
Its called manoshpere but as toxic as possiblr
I rly like ur podcast when I see them all I’ll rewatch them Live Femoid Reaction Cam is such a beautiful thing I’m glad it happened in this world,, that’s the big show to see right there Live Femoid Reaction Cam, and the name of that episode too is 5 stars
We could get sloppy y’all and I Yk
Just repeating the cringe walmart argument from Second thought video?
No, YOU are inevitably incoherent and frustrated
American culture is the second most suicidal culture behind that of the French. Joshua Citarella’s a manifestation of these deeply suicidal tendencies. We can sit back and laugh, for certain, but it’s essentially the same as a cancer patient sitting, giggling at his disease as he dies. Keep in mind, that once the American experiment crashes and burns, nobody in history will ever want it again. And nobody in history will ever be able to recreate it. Same thing happened to the Romans. But also keep in mind the fact that it isn’t over. We can still turn the tides, we can still prove that American values are good, just and fair. We don’t have to let the suicidal win.
America has no values, thats what makes it America
That's an impressive amount of double think there
@@mikellangela777 thx
@@mikellangela777 elaborate?
> american values are good, just and fair
kek