Is It All Doom And Gloom For EV Car Sales?
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The cost of living crisis is making the public really think whether is worth keeping their vehicles for much longer. My vehicle has 225K and still goes well and I’ve saved a shed load of cash keeping it for 17 years. ICE vehicles run and run if you look after them. Changing your car every 2 or 3 years isn’t cheep motoring and I know many who are keeping their vehicles for in excess of 10 years.
Correct!
Kept my ICE Merc for 8 years. It was clear the little niggles would soon be big expensive ones and it sat on the drive because £70 to fill up for 200 miles was no fun.
Traded it for an EV. Don't care about depreciaton, it wasn't a fortune to buy, but my God it's changed my life. It doesn't sit on the drive, it's out on the road where it belongs and costs me a fraction of the ICE vehicle.
I guess it depends on the ICE car. My Audi A6 diesel is 12 years old, in perfect condition and does 50 mpg. Looks like new, presently faultless and if it goes wrong easy to fix. I am 70 years old and expect it to be the last car I own...
Slight mistake, the P in PHEV stands for Plugin - not Petrol; at one point there was at least one brand selling a diesel PHEV.
And I would expect they have regen braking
@@stewartburnett7303 I had a very confusing, brand new Kia Sportage as a loaner recently, various parts of the instrumentation claimed it was a HEV and others, a PHEV, and it claimed it had regen braking; but nothing I did managed to produce enough regen power for the electric motor to ever cut in (supplied with the battery at 5%, over 2 days I got it up to 18%).
You might ask why I didnt recharge it at home; well, it has a Type 2 connector, and my old Soul EV has the older, Type 1; and the Sportage didnt come with a cable.
Phev do have regen brakes, it's a hev with a battery
PHEV is a potential way for people to get into EVs and experience the benefits especially if they can charge at home on a cheap EV tariff.
PHEV has no benefit unless you can charge at home or at work or both and then you can drive all electric both ways, in which case you would be better off with a pure electric car with much less maintenance and with the possibility to charge very cheaply at home
@@casperhansen826 Hum! I’d state your comment slightly more generally as. If you can charge on a cheap tariff when your car unused - typically charging at home over night - and the battery size is sufficient that the EV range comfortably covers your usual daily mileage then a PHEV may be worthwhile. It overcomes the range /charging anxiety some have with a BEV. The downside is greater complexity as there are both ICE and BEV power trains.
@@DrDave_63395 phev is a very good solution all round it seem that both ev and ice owners think they are pointless it must be a tribal thing. 40 mile ev range petrol 400 mile plus ? 2mins to fill up to do another 400 miles never have range anexity what's not to love about them
Not to worry, SMMT new car sales figures out tomorrow, we can ignore the doom and the hype and look at the actual facts for a change.
And Dave . . . . want to bet, that the infamous $25k Tesla Model 2 will not be delivered in 2024 . . . . ?
why did vauxhall just come out and say they will have to shut up shop in 3 months because ev sales have dropped through the floor no one wants them..Or maybe its just this country
Not surprised at the prices they’re asking for their uncompetitive range.
They are trying to squeeze some money out of the government.
You can buy a corsa-e for under £20,000 but if not many people likes your cars they won't sell very well! The Chinese brands and Tesla are flying off the shelf so to speak.
Getting an EV on a salary sacrifice lease deal makes a lot of sense. I’m expecting great improvements in EV technology so went for a two year lease option for a Nissan Ariya.
Cheers Dave
Hi Dave! Looks nice and warm! My Tesla get hit in a carpark f/o/s bumper as a Range Rover Evoque pulled out from the o/s of mine which was parked and unattended. Pushed a hole in my bumper and ripped it from mountings. Also small chips along edge of headlight. Thanks to the Sentry mode I got great footage and VRM of offending vehicle, also of one of the occupants.
Thanks to this I have instantly been given another Model 3 to use and now waiting to see who can repair mine. If you want to use this to help show bonus of Tesla EV feel free. Other thing is it showed all the damage from f/n/s door of Land Rover down back door and wheel arch as it had to back up to be able to move away. It then just drove out of the car park.
Great video by the way and the way you think for cost of ownership per month is exactly how I think of it and tell people to do. It means you can get a much better EV for same monthly outgoings!
it will be written off prepare for a big loss
It works out to be more environmentally and human rights friendly to buy a 10-year-old £2000 ICE car and use it for 20 yrs than any EV.
No, it actually doesn't. No matter how virtuous such suffering makes you feel.
@moragkerr9577 Not as good as how you climate change/Covid jab religious Zealots nut jobs feel about African child slave labour
I was talking to my Neighbour about my new EV. He was interested, until I told him the cost of public charging (his side of the road doesn't have driveways.)
And you had to revive him with a tot of whiskey.
There is always co charger where you could rent your charger to him for a given time
@@MrDaveb1979 I never thought about that.
Tesla Model 3 & Y are now 0.00% APR for PCP…. If you’re in the market for one… but now! Jan - 9.6 APR / April 5.9% APR. / July 0.00% APR….
P is for plug in phev and phevs do have regen braking just like a hybrid.
Hello Dave, where did you find the ORA for a £150 per month lease please? I have just looked on their website and it says starting from £289 with an initial rental of £3,468 for 36 months.
I’m a private buyer, retired now and have just returned a 3 year old EV on a PCP and replaced it with an EV on a lease. It’s a new car that was registered with the DVLA so it counts as a new registration regardless of whether it’s bought, on finance/ PCP or leased. Monthly sales figures are based on registrations not who is buying them.
True Dave
Dave, Love the channel and the videos, dont forget that Fleet sales also include Motability registrations,.I myself chose a Volkswagen ID3 as my Motability car year ago and have not looked back, luckily i can charge on a granny charger with a plug put in in my underground car park to charge my Mobility Scooter. Could you please do a feature about the issues faced by wheelchair users when charging EV's. I have found screens to high as well as cable holders too high up in their socket, plus the space around an EV charger with no ramped kerb or too tight with other cars. I think the new regulations going forwards does aske the CPO to consider people with less ability when installing new charge points. Thank you. I'm Col.
I can second this plea!
Hi Dave, love yourself and the channel, I drive a BMW i3s 18 plate currently which I love, however I've been told told, that from the 7th July 2024, speed limiters will go into all new cars, I think this will slow down new car sales, as people will not want them. How do you feel about this. Thanks Lee.
I honestly don’t think it’s a massive problem, I wouldn’t buy a new car anyway to be fair…but imagine I’ll have a 24/25 plate in a few years.
Since I started doing track days my speed on the road has come right down, barely go over if at all, and to be honest if the car limited me it’d make my life easier! If I wanna go out for a fast drive I’ll take my 34 year old track spec E30 (preferably on track!), but day to day I’ll use the i3 and couldn’t care less if that was limited
HEV, charges from ICE as well as regen. PHEV does the same, but can also be plugged in to charge the larger battery..
Seems to me that strong regen braking is a strong motivator in favor of going to BEV, and even more, a BEV with a big honking motor and a bigger, honkinger battery.
Thanks Dave. Very interesting. Do they do a breakdown for the second hand car market? I almost never buy new and recently bought an MG ZS EV that is 4 years old. I love it. Are people more nervous about second hand EV's? I plug in at home which covers 99% of my needs.
I like your videos, you may want to look at if your allowed to post videos from your holiday as it may be classified as working and you could be going against your tourist visa. Some people are being caught out by this.
Dave we bought a new petrol hatchback last year for £14k there were no new EV alternatives so price parity has a way to go. If my employer offered salary sacrifice it may well have been possible to lease an EV though I tend to save up pay cash. Personally I find it unfortunate that company car drivers get such favourable treatment for their often perk vehicle as quite often they are pretty well paid it's probably worth some benefit but not to that degree.
I am looking forward to price parity as other than the £1k cost of a home charger the use case is there for my 70 mile return commute though I suspect the government is hooked on fuel duty do will be looking at replacing the lost revenue.
On pollution isn't there a concern about particle pollution from tyres brakes etc so concern there as the current technology in EV do get through the tyres but of course with current energy production pollution is still produced burning fossil fuels to make the electricity plus losses in transmission and charging so it's s bit more of a calculation if we still want personal transport.
Of course whilst you are looking at Citroen ice cars you could look at ë-C3/C4 which do everything that an MG does. The price of an ë-C3 C3 starts at less than €16 000. So leasing would be around €100 a month.
It's been evident for some time, lease new and buy used. The current deals are amazing.
Hi Dave,
Could you please add stats for 2nd hand EV sales?
Apparently they're sharply up, now that more ex-lease EVs are coming onto the market.
All the leasing increases will be company car drivers going for the great BIK rates for electric cars. You save well over £150 per month in BIK tax v ICE cars.
Don’t know if you saw there was a car fire in a multi story in Cheltenham. wonder how long before they blame EV’s😢
It was probably an ICE, given that around 300 petrol and diesel cars catch fire each day in Britain.....
Many old cars on our roads .
12 months left on my cupra Born , goodbye and fair well my EV
Hello mate
hi dave where are in spain would love to meet up if poss i live in spain
it more the poor quality over priced EVs from some of the legacy automakers that don't deliver the range promised and have poor software have made some people right off the whole EV market. Like any market there are good products and poorer products. Over time the poorer products disappear as they get a bad reputations and the good survive.
Car sales will never be the same again.... BEVs last that long.
In summary despite slow growth sales EVs still growing. Unlike pure ICE vehicles thats declining year over year. The reason why legacy auto makers selling hybrids. Legacy auto makers admit at that point that ICE cars are dying and theres no turning back. In the end thats whats important.
Growth of 2% a year on 17% market share. Even 10% means less than 19% next year.
It’s like watching Comical Ali..
No it doesn’t. If ICE sales continue to drop as they are doing then even if they sell no more EVs the percentage will rise
PHEV is Plug-in Hybrid EV not Petrol and ofc it has regen
Dave please look at the comments section urgently and delete any referring to bitcoin etc. Spam no doubt!
If EV sales were not dead defenetly this cars will be barried once £15 EV daily charge & road tax hit home
Source?
But you get a free unicorn 🦄
That's about as likely as that weird dribble you read in some tabloid press... Or just made up??
Stick to the charging networks. Go down the pub if you want to give your opinion. Everybody's got one, yours is just as bad as the next man's
And is yours?
@@Brian-om2hhI almost agree with your comment, however it's hard to take Dave seriously on any EV topics other than charging when he makes mistakes such as expanding PHEV to Petrol HEV and stating that PHEVs don't have regenerative braking. Other recent demonstrations of his inability to correctly discuss anything outside charging include:
- Misunderstanding Maximum Authorised Mass (with respect to CyberTruck licensing) so badly that he had to delete the video
- Criticising GM share buybacks when he admitted to not knowing why buybacks are attractive to shareholders
- Discussing "the legal side" (his words) of the rescission of Elon Musk's compensation package without even _mentioning_ the key point of the Delaware Chancery judgement (breach of fiduciary duty).
Is Dave really so dull, or does he simply have low expectations of his audience?
Dilettante Takes It On.
Thanks for your post, Keith.
@@Brian-om2hh I agree. That's why I don't make self opinionated videos
I have to laugh at the antics of the ICE people, dont they get it, the king is dead, long live the king! Just ordered the first EV and Planning my routes alone at this time I will go from £140 for Diesel to £92 for leccy charging and thats arriving at destination with 93% charge
So £50 saving one way, no brainer!
Have you factored in the likely depreciation on your EV?
@@brendanpells912 Funnily enough yes, and it stacks up. The same as an ICE car. The saving of £50 each way, £100 return and this journey is repeated numerous times a year. 7p a KW sure is cheaper than £1.42 per litre (£4.80 to fill up) ICE is £99.40 to fill up, 20 times cheaper or look at the distance travelled at worst, and I mean worst, cold, wet days traveling at 70mph all day would give a range of say, 200m per charge so 20 x 200 = 4000 miles. the current ICE car gets 600 m tank filled to the brim. So that equates to £695.80 to travel 200 m more than the EV, £601 more than the EV. Does that help in you figuring out your depreciation figures?
@brendanpells912 you'd need a crystal ball to factor in depreciation. With EVs cheaper than petrol and ETS II whacking 50% on the price of fossil fuels in 2027, my money would be on EVs holding up better than ICE over the next few years.
@@truebrit3670 Hmmm, well my Hyundai diesel has depreciated by about £6000 in the almost 8 years I've had it, and will probably depreciate by another £3000 in the next 8 years. How does that compare to any EVs you've owned?
@@brendanpells912 so your diesel is worth £3000?
How does that compare to an EV I've owned. It doesn't. Why would it?
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I dont get it. In the Netherlands a Peugeot e-208 EV cheapest lease is €499. Even the cheapest Dacia Spring is already €284.
Why is it so cheap in the UK?
No one wants them, depreciation of anything French or electric (especially both) would be extreme, so even brand new ones are heavily discounted. There are also initial payments, various charges and the most-favoured PCP deals in the UK are relying on heavy penalties at the end of the term and restricted annual mileage. These deals and these models are for fools.
you went to africa ?
Could be Dover 13:30
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