Mauled By The Wonder Dog The Wendy And Marvin Story - A Super Friends Sidekick Retrospective
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- The Super Friends was a classic Saturday Morning cartoon that feature adventures not just of the Justice League (Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman & Superman) but of their kid sidekicks Wendy, Marvin and The Wonder Dog. These characters were quickly replaced by the Wonder Twins Zan and Jayna. Yet they would find themselves having a dark revival in DC comics itself decades later in the pages of Teen Titans, Oracle & Batgirl. Did these characters deserve more? Or should they be left to fade into the background? See for yourself here on Casually Comics!
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Thank you for pronouncing my last name correctly.
Can make a couple of requests for future videos?
Captain Carrot history
Justice League/Power Rangers crossover. You can have fun with Bruce being told by Zach that his money is no good on the Rangers earth.
Also for the rest of the Causually Comics fans, who would win in a fight, Captain Carrot vs. Spider-Ham?
No wrong answers
Missed mentioning that Wendy had a charm bracelet that worked just like Jimmy's signal watch.
I knew it! lol
I'm all for the Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew retrospective!
Captain Carrot?!
I love Captain Carrot!
_Captain Carrot's a Super Bunny!_
If you know, you know. 😉
Killing goofy sidekicks in gruesome ways is just so edgy. It's like what they actually want to be writing is grimdark horror but they're stuck writing comic books.
I’m not even a fan of Wendy and Marvin, but I’m getting second hand anger of how they’re treated 💀
It would honestly be less horrific if the dog killed both of them. Having Wendy see her brother die and be permanently crippled is so evil and ugly
I read the issue and didn't know who they are, but I hated it too. I don't like characters who exist to be killed off so quickly.
@@nicholase82 I knew who they were because even as a child people (show runners for CN especially) were meming about them and the wonder twins being useless. When I saw this run in Elementary school off handedly I thought to myself, "What bad taste" not knowing that edgy deconstructions of happy characters was going to follow me all the way into my adult life.
If Sasha goes that deep into animated DC characters history, then there's a chance for Mercy Graves retrospective.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
But will that lead to the TESS MERCER analysis??? Please???
I 💯 Agree, even though we will eventually have too see Lex leave Her to be Blown Up in DCEU Superman V Batman Dawn Of Justice 😥🖖🏾
Still waiting for the Annie Clayface video.
I NEED IT
Imagine hating two comic sidekicks so much that when you grow up and write comics you have their dog get possessed by a demon and eat one of them. That is next level petty.
Agree. Petty and bad writing.
I agree. It reminds me of making Scrappy Do the villain in that awful Scooby Do movie.
Lmao that's awesome! Let the hate flow.
@@spookydookie4046 thats a good screen name.
Still not as petty as Barry Cumming at a womans touch.
I will always hold that bringing those two into Teen Titans was a terrible idea that never should have happened, but being that mean-spirited in removing them was an atrocity.
They got straight fridged for shock value. Disgusting.
It's always a healthy reminder that the people who wanted Geoff Johns, the guy who had Superboy Prime burn an S in his chest, go on a murder spree, and punch reality so hard it broke, to work in the DCEU had nooooooooo idea what they were getting into... LOL
All in all that particular comic event was an atrocity.
I honestly like seeing side characters that do the real work: cleaning, maintenance, cooking, gardening, going to the police office to collect hero gear left all over the place, assisting with research. It offers opportunities for heroes to have more of a support network as well as plugging some plot holes.
I would have been happy with them leaving peacefully to do good elsewhere after realizing that these jobs are not everybody's long-term career. The evil dog is overkill.
I'm 51 so I do remember them from the show. They did seem sort of lame and out of place. The Wonder Twins seemed like a vast improvement over them at the time. All though Super Friends vs. the Legion of Doom was the best or seemed the best and had neither of them. Okay, so Wendy and Marvin were a poorly executed concept that was later improved. Have to agree that it seems sadistic to treat them that way. It surprising that they got brought back at all.
@@keithhorning7753 That happened in the OG Young Justice comic. That team was even called "Old Justice"
Man, would be awesome if instead of Demonic Wonder Dog paralyzing Wendy and killing Marvin, they could actually tamed it and go on adventures together, like, make it Scooby-Doo but more occult oriented. Could be a fun and toching story about negation of predestination and nature vs nurture, with Wendy And Marvin being destined to be nobody without powers and gadgets, and Wonder Dog was suppsosed remain a killing machine, but they found each other and together they became a great team and family.
Wonder Dog didn't kill Wendy
I like this idea
...damn, now I want to see that. The kids didn't deserve what they got.
_Goddamnit_ DC!
@@driveasandwich6734 fixed, ma bad.
tv show, when?
An idea: Marvin and Wendy, but rather than being heroes or geniuses, they just happen to be the pet experts or even meta-zoologists who take care of super pets when their owners are away doing heroics. Maybe wonder-dog has the ability to speak human and animal languages alike which helps them judge what kind of needs pets like Krytpo the super dog have.
Funny that Wendy and Marvin we're in Young Justice as nice friends who you see periodically, and grow up, then you mentioned Lucas Snapper Carr, who had their biggest glow up in the show, by being their teacher, then later principal who stayed married to Bethany Lee, and both adopted Harper and Cullen Row.
Wendy and Marvin start dating in season 2 and I ship it. I wish we saw more of them. Snapper Carr continues to make appearances in later seasons, so why not Wendy and Marvin?
Also, I’m really happy for Snapper, he deserves to be happy. In the comics he’s constantly suffering. But he also gets teleportation powers and he banged Cheetah, so it’s not all bad.
@@marc-ericleblanc-seguin4514 I have that issue with Cheetah and it was not bad at all ;)
Snapper Carr also got to be a pretty solid tough-love mentor character in Supergirl. Granted, that was basically a name-only reference, but still.
@@EinDose He was a mentor to the android Hour Man in his series too.
I'd love to see the wonder dog on Young Justice. Just have Mal and Karen visit their old highschool friends and have the baby tie a green cape on the dog. AND HAVE NOTHING BAD HAPPEN.
Nah. That’s too hard for DC.
@@AlonzoTompkins well the tornado twins, aqua baby, Jon kent and a few others had a playdate last season and all it cost them was ocean masters head. So we can dream.
The baby ties the cape on the dog. The dog the. Starts choking on the cape. The cape is to right.
In the current season that would be a 4 episode arc with motion comics flashbacks.
I always thought it was weird that they needed to add teenage sidekicks, and Robin was right there. It put him in a strange position of not quite being a sidekick, but also not quite a full super hero. With the Wonder Twins he came off more as the senior sidekick.
And yeah, apparently Robin doesn't count. When Firestorm welcomes Cyborg onto the team in the final season, Legendary Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians, he says he's glad to have someone his own age on the team, and Robin is _right there_ in the room, and doesn't say anything.
@@notovny Exactly. I remember an early SF episode where the antagonist physically shrank all the world's adults down to a much smaller size for some reason and Robin was effected along side the Senior Super Friends.
Wasn't Dick Grayson an adult during the Bronze Age?
@@lancerutt9936 Apparently a short one. XD
@@lancerutt9936 In '73 (the date of the SF episode) he was still called "Teen Wonder."
If they come back, just let them run/be a part of some kind of non-profit for the general good. Help with clean-up after super battles, provide resources for super-villain survivors/reformers, give soup at Christmas. The core of their character is wanting to do good in a superhero space while being normal, so I think that'd be the best way to do it.
This felt like a Wonderdog character assassination by the writers
He deserved better.
I liked Wendy and Marvin as kid inserts on super friends. It kept the show grounded. Then, I was there when they got brutally murdered in the 00's. It was horrifying. Like watching Scooby Doo kill Velma and shaggy. I'd love to have them back as recurring background characters. Like you said, superheroes need slice of life issues/episodes and they'd be perfect for it.
"Robin didn't count," I was a fan of The New Teen Titans. I remember when Cyborg joined Super Friends, I was excited. Then I remember the first episode where Firestorm said "I finally have someone my own age on the team." I remember watching it and saying, "Hold Up, Robin and Cyborg are both Titans? Did Firestorm never talk to Robin?"
I love that you recognize your fans when you spot their names in random letters columns! 🤣 Truly a super dork, never change!
And Sasha pronounced my Last name correctly. 😀
I love how while DC has all of these non powered civilian sidekicks that just pop in and out of relevancy like Wendy, Marvin, Snapper Carr, Etta Candy, and all those alliteratively named guys from the Golden Age like Dolby Dickles, Stretch Skinner and Percival Popp, Marvel comics meanwhile literally just has Rick Jones and no one else.
Well there was/ is Wyatt Wingfoot who had a connection with the FF , even before being She Hulk’s Love interest , but He is the only besides Rick that comes to mind 🖖🏾
Well Spider-Man had flash Thompson. I think he tried to be his side kick more then a few times in the old 60s comics.
Don't forget Jarvis Butler to the Avengers. He was really done dirty in the Ultimates
@@rodneylindsey849 There was Falcon's cousin or nephew or whoever that took Eick Jones's place as Hulk's sidekick for a while. Vanished for a bit, and came back to die of AIDS in a social issue arc.
Iron Man had some good civilian support, but they all have gained powers, so they don't count anymore. Happy did get powers, right?
Will never understand the active disrespect for characters like this in later renditions, but I guess since I wasn't there I won't know what the experience was like lol. But I mean, they were primarily for one goofy kids cartoon, not like they ruined the heroes lol. Ah well.
Also Wendy's cute
A lot of the time it isn't actually meant to be disrespectful, as it is the writers are trying to pull readers in with "shock value" but use the most expendable characters they have available to do it. Such and such character has only been seen twice in the last several issues? Let's kill them to trigger a gutteral reaction in the reader so they buy the comic! They did this A LOT in the dark age of comics, and still do it nowadays, its usually nothing personal to the characters in question, they are just there and no one was using them anyway.
I was watching when it first ran. I, too, never got the dissing. I liked them specifically because they _weren't_ superheroes. I was a kid and they were kids (granted, I was about 7 and they were teens), and it was like "Cool, an average person could hang out with the Super Friends." Then along come the Wonder Twins and it's "oh, I guess not."
@@darkmask5933 that makes sense as well. I guess when combined with hearing about many fans of the cartoon not enjoying the characters, it can kinda come across as taking that jab, or at that era in general lol. But yeah there's always just going for that shock value being a part of it.
Yes she was.
@@christophersmith3341 yeah the shift in real time must have been jarring
I love it when adaptation-exclusive characters make the jump back to comics. Still waiting for Iceman’s little sister to make the jump over from “Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends”.
Half-sister. Lightwave is her name.
Thunderbolts brought back a Hostess Fruit pie one off bad guy into continuity. Random dumb ice controller
"So essentially, nepotism" -- that's a funny way to spell "blackmail"
"Robin needs to go cry now." Hilarious.
The first 2 seasons of the Young Justice cartoon holds a special place in my heart. I distinctly remember their version of Wendy, despite her being a very minor character and not knowing any other version of her until later. I love that scene with Connor and her on his birthday; it’s simultaneously awkward, sad, and sweet.
Also, I’m a bit disappointed that you didn’t mention that in the YJ cartoon Miss Martian turned into Marvin the Martian to scare Marvin.
Turn Wonder Dog evil for no reason because people are very mean spirited about these old cartoon characters for some reason. It’s ridiculous.
There must be a comic book writers law have to turn lighthearted characters into dark twisted parodies of themselves.
I like the idea of Proxy. Oracle was super connected to Batman, Justice League and Birds of Prey. Having Proxy could be part of other teams and make over character choices. It's sad Proxy was cut off before it could happen.
Yes. This kind of role is very important for modern vigilantes to be effective. There should be a Hack of Justice League and a Syndicate of Cybercrime. There is so much room for more research/deployment characters.
@@tomorrow4eva It keeps the comics grounded and allows ways to bring in those "minor" characters that do macro tasks in he background of the story. Like them being titans makes a lot of sense to me
It was copying Oracle.
And other teams had tech people before Oracle. What is the benefit of centralizing someone to be under Oracle.
That's more of a weakness.
But the real issue is that they did that to Wendy. Who was her own character.
I remember even as a child being uninterested in Wendy, Marvin and the dog and just wanting to get back to what the JL was up to. Still, the Super Friends are a fond Saturday morning memory. Too bad nobody ever followed up on Diana's mortal double whose identity WW basically stole
There was a plot in one of the Wonder Woman comic in the 70s or 80s in which she came back demanding to have her identity returned to her.
Marvin always looks like he wandered into the Hall of Justice by accident, straight from the pages of an Archie comic.
I really like this trio. Wish they would reappear in comics in a less edgy way.
Like in young justice
It's because of content like THIS that I subbed to this channel. Learning new things about comics I have never heard or seen before.
That and Lois Lane weddings
Right?! I feel like not many comic channels get into the deep cuts like this
Sean McKeever writing Teen Titans was a great idea on paper. He had written some excellent (albeit short lived) YA series over at Marvel with Sentinel, Inhumans and Mary Jane. So I'm not sure if it was DC editorial interference making sure he hit that sad trombone sound constantly or he was just picking up the tone Geoff Johns had started. I loved Johns' run on Teen Titans but rereading it now there's still great stuff but also a lot of *Marge Simpson voice* "Kids, could you lighten up a little?"
And of course Sentinel was brutally murdered in Avengers Arena. I think that event helped me quit comics in general.
But people only read comics because they are dark and edgy! How will we show how dark and edgy we are without constant new traumas? The old ones are boring! /s
Honestly, I could see these two going weirdly a jessica Jones route. If they go with super level intelligence. Make them have their own private eye investigation service. Have them hired on by street level heroes to help them time to time. Never really put into real danger till Climax of the arcs.
Young Justice Wendy and Marvin are pretty much peak Wendy and Marvin
I would say that either bringing them in as civilian characters for one specific hero, like say, a pre teen titans solo Robin or something, could work. A la cute short hair sidekick to Terry from Batman Beyond who's name im somehow forgetting despite crushing on her growing up lol. The other route is as someone mentioned, go all in Scooby Doo with it but SUPER POWERED DOG. For further conflict have them rely on wits or gadgets instances where SUPER POWERED DOG is not immediately accessible
I think you're referring to Maxine?
@@mikerosoft2179 I believe that was it, yeah, will double check later
@@MagillanicaLouM Maxine "Max" Gibson.
Cool
I would totally write a *Wendy, Marvin, and Wonder Dog* (HBO max) show if I got the chance.
Adventurous, emotional, and *bonkers.*
A Wendy and Marvin show strike me as a CW show.
Fun fact: YJ’s Wendy’s VA is Masasa Moyo, Bumblebee’s voice actress.
Oh from the Bee movie
@13:49 (digs out copy of "Kingdom Come", finds panel) Holy crap, I never noticed that was Marvin before! 😮
Glad to see those Dorky Teens in other parts of the DCU. Sad about the mauling, but it did make them unforgettable! Still, I would like to seem utilized more...maybe have their parents work the Titans Tower...or Cadmus!
kinda hope for a mini series based on these animated side characters. Wonder Twins team up with Wendy, Marv, and a non-demonic Wonder Dog to take down Roxy Rocket only to stumble into conflict with Shifter and Downpour. Make it super campy with a bit of slapstick but keep the protagonists from seeming dopey and i think you have a great comic.
I’m so tired of comics pointlessly killing characters off for cheap shock value.
It's not just comics. Cartoons, too. Masters of the Universe Revelations did it. Years before GI JOE Resolute did it. As Gen Xer, I blame my generation.
The Transformers movie (OG cartoon) sure screwed up a lot of future writer's minds. Imo, they were the start of that shock-value in comics/movies.
Wow, I did not connect that they were that Wendy and Marvin. I mean I was introduced to the superfriends versions through your previous videos, but Steph's Batgirl is one of my favourite comic runs, but I only just connected that.
Great video btw!
Man, it's weird but I think this video is of the ones I've been the most emotionally invested, so many ups and downs...
From the dog mauling, the amazing effort to try and explain how they got into the justice league and the 40+ year old column letter written by someone who watches your videos! Like man, what a rollercoaster!
i actually cried when she read the panel where Wendy wakes up from a coma
As a Child of the Era I preferred The Wonder Twins , They had Powers ( Lame or Not)… The Titans writers should have done a little research & seen the Civilian Side Kick / Base Caretaker did not truly work ( see Mal Duncan) …I Luv the Stephanie Brown Batgirl Limited Series, & Wendy Harris was Growing on Me ( Oracle Light or Not) …The Young Justice iteration is cute , & I Think they at 1 time mentioned that Wendy had been one of Dick’s Friends with Benefits ( could be wrong) … I Think it’s probably best to only have them appear as fond nostalgic background characters…Keep Up The Great Work Sasha 🖖🏾
Bringing Wendy & Marvin from Superfriends into the comics, only to have Wonder Dog maim, cripple, and kill them ... that may be the most DC Comics thing ever.
As someone who grew up with the Super Friends as a real young kid, watching it on Boomerang and seeing it on DVD, I'm still never gonna get over the fact they made Wonder Dog fucking slaughter Marvin in the comics. God damn it, DC.
I love how in their early 2000s appearances in the comics there is almost a meta level of commentary on how strangely these they fit into the DC universe.
Can you talk about the rest of the SuperFriends OCs? Like Samurai, Black Vulcan, Apache Chief, El Dorado, and Rima the Jungle Girl?
Rima wasn't a character invented for SuperFriends. She goes back to a 1904 novel. She was around before all the major superheroes. She appeared in DC comics in 1974.
@@scockery I'm glad someone pointed that out. The series was drawn by Nestor Redondo. Loved that comic. I'm surprised someone still knows it exist.
Oh, I loved that comics. Maybe I'll get around to reading the source: Green Mansion one day.
Did see the movie. The comic adapted the movie with a better outcome for Rima.
There is always the "stand in for the viewer". At least at the beginning of shows like this.
"The team doesn't need your baskets, Wendy!"
This is why you're the best comic book channel on CZcams!
I think it be nice to see them cameo every now and then in comics
Every time I’ve seen Marvin and Wendy outside of Superfriends, it felt like they were hated by the writers.
Getting a video about a whim on a whim is why I STAY subscribed lol
Marvin in young justice ends up working as an alien extra in beast boy's show, maybe through connections, and then they get promoted to being a supporting cast and eventually the costar. One of the few times I can see marvin and not wanna tear my hair out, props to the writers for giving him some love.
As a young Super Friends fan I always liked Wendy, Marvin and Wonder Dog slightly more than the Wonder Twins. Their designs were charming in a very Seventies way and I genuinely latched onto them as a surrogate for my own childhood dream of sharing adventures with the Justice League. It's sad that they fell victim to DC's tiresome mid-2000s need to maul anything cute and fun in pursuit of the edge-lord cred. Personally I think there is a way they could fit into the modern DC universe, staying true to their original cartoon incarnations without proving overly campy. Given how great Bendis' recent Young Justice run was he could probably do it.
man now you got me caring for these three dorks!!! and Crack shipping Zan and Marvin for no other reason than "two boys with not a brain cell between them" !
My first experience with Wonder Dog, Wendy and Marvin was when they appeared in a scooby doo episode. Actually now that I think of it, they actually had several apperances in scooby doo.
(Not to be confused by dog wonder who is another superhero dog in scooby)
WOW. Woman you dug a time tunnel right to my early childhood and brought it all the way to the present. You are AMAZING! , informative, timely and profoundly kindly. You should have a masters class in comics.
I just thought of a new storyline for them. Have them be reintroduced along with the demon dog, but have them tame it to be a personal pet/protector. And then they decide to go on missions, but due to them not having superpowers (or being billionaires) they can't join the justice league and have to partake in street level vigilantism and the aftermath of hero fights, building support items to help them as they go on missions way over their heads. Make them like a ragtag found family, who through crazy circumstances and impossible odds, found each other. The main villain could be a kigpin type character, supplying weapons to street level thugs in hopes of distracting the heroes as he profits of the destruction their fights cause, forcing wendy and marvin to deal with it.
Hi Sasha :)
I was 8 years old when Wendy, Marvin and Wonder Dog were introduced. I always feel like they were normal interns instead of superheroes, which made me relate to them more. I was learning along with them.
I also liked how most of the villains had teal reasons for their actions: the Power Pirate was trying to fix his own planet's pollution problems, and Dr. Ribos wss trying to refocus our attention on Earth's issues.
My favorite episode was the one with Dr. Good fellow and the GEEC computer. 30 years too early, but the kids learn that machines are imperfect, and that the best way to learn is to do it yourself.
I love the "regularly appearing" civilian characters. They can introduce moments of levity and are able to be changed up for What Ifs.
DC has a history of bringing back these type of characters just to make them cannon fodder. The Protector, Blue Jay, Wendy and Marvin the Wonder Twins etc. It's like... ooh the character that I kinda remember from my childhood. I wonder if they'll updated them with a cool back stor.....and they're dead now.😔
Damn, don't which is worst Gleek who has been forgotten by time and completely ignored in any wonder twins revival, or Wonder Dog who was turned into an edgy hell hound who brutally killed his former friend for no reason.
One is lost to obscurity, the other got his character assassinated in a horrible way.
I will admit that as a kid, watching reruns of the SUPER FRIENDS, that I did indeed enjoy Wendy, Marvin and Wonder Dog a lot better than I did Zan and Jayna!!!
I think I just cut myself on all that wonder dog edge Jesus lol
Really enjoying the looks at lesser known/used characters in the comics. I actually didn't know the Wonder Twins or Wendy and Marvin were characters from prior comics until my mom pointed out Wendy and Marvin when she decided to watch Young Justice with me years ago as a kid (Super Friends was definitely before my time). I'd be really interested to see if you could make videos on other characters who've fallen into obscurity but have small groups of fans who remember them.
I honestly think they would have fared better in the long term if they had powers. Nothing like over-the-top Superman, but something that would make more sense that they would pal around with the Superfriends. I think if they originally were super-geniuses like they were later portrayed, that would have at least added some plausibility other than "teen detectives with non-human sidekicks are cool right now" That's right, I'm looking at you Scooby-Doo.
Yay, Sasha!!! I will agree that Marvin was a reference to Shaggy, although Marvin never partook of marijuana, and I don't remember Marvin and Wonder Dog having the munchies on the TV episodes, but it's probably possible. Marvin was a human teenager who was interested in becoming a hero, so it's acceptable that keeping up with the superpowered heroes might cause Marvin to scarf some Remus proportions... sort of like Barry Allen did every time he was rebooted, before he solved his metabolic issue.
I'm sending to remember Marvin snacking down on a large sub sandwich, but maybe I'm remembering Shaggy.
No, I never saw the comic versions of Marvin and Wendy, so I appreciate your deep dive, and you presenting information that you found.
I like the idea of introducing them as in mostly civilian roles but with the abilities and roles that have been attributed to them over the years. They're super smart super sleuths that manage, repair and build tech for The Titans and/or Young Justice, they're also able to do crime fighting support. They'd kinda be like team flash. Also Marvin would have low key super powers and their dog would be a demon but friendly.
I grew up with the Super Friends and my favorite era back then (and especially now) was the Wendy & Marvin episodes. I got nearly all of the comic too when it came out, and loved the emphasis on the two. A lot of us would've even watched a cartoon with just the trio as the leads. I mean, y'all have no idea how many teen detectives with dogs were out there, so they'd have been right at home. And dressing as Marv was so easy you couple pull it together from your own closet. Wonder Dog even replaced Krypto as my favorite cartoon dog (not that my dog cared that her red cape became green). I just wish that if they're not going to be treated with respect then at least leave them alone. Awesome though to see them get a video on here.
I love that you are such a obscure lore nerd that you even caught a possible connection between a commentor on your videos and a letter sent in, in the...70s? Didn't catch the era.
I like the idea of civilian sidekicks being reintegrated into comics and other media, as long as it's done well. I think there are plenty of interesting ways to use them without resorting to giving them powers or putting them through Hell.
Also, now that you've teased us, how about a Snapper Carr video?
Wow-that demon Wonder Dog arc was dark even by DC standards. Just goes to show how psychologically messed up some comic writers can be.
Love the channel. While you poke fun at comics, it is evident that you love them. I stopped reading several years ago as I could not justify investing in the hype-cancellation machine. So, I try to keep up with things on CZcams and unfortunately, it is littered with outrage videos. I think my memory of my hobby started to be soured. You have helped me remember how fun it can be. Thank you and keep being awesome.
💯 Sasha & CC Got this Retired Old Geek back into Comics also 🖖🏾
I've never understood writers who think it's cool to take something that was innocent and silly and make it dark and gruesome - it's kind of like trolling. I think Wendy and Marvin work best as supporting characters, don't try to make them superheroes but just have them help out as ordinary kids who just want to do the right thing. And bring back Wonder Dog - just tone down the Scooby Doo expy side of things and have the name Wonder be a joke of some kind ("It's a WONDER I can ever get him to take a bath!" kind of thing)
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This is what i was hoping to see. Than you for making this.
These videos are literally my favorite thing on CZcams. Keep up the good work!
I'd like to see Wendy & Marvin in Teen Titans Go! just like the Wonder Twins made an appearance.
Thank you for another awesome video.
I have been enjoying the super friends related content recently.
You know... NEVER thought about the idea that Robin was already a kid sidekick that young fans could relate to. Wild
Which is probably why Wendy and Marvin and The Wonder Twins were created. Robin is usually seen as Batman's sidekick/partner, not something for kids to relate to. (Although that was one of the original reason he was created in the comics)
@@cheritripp9470 exactly. It's funny how his longevity made him sort of outgrow his initial function. He, thankfully, became his own respected and distinct character
Wow! E. Nelson Bridwell really got to show off that DC continuity knowledge he was known for with Wendy and Marvin!
The one and only time I was really impressed by Marvin & Wendy was in the Superfriends comic featuring the villain known as the World Beater. Basically, this villain had captured a whole bunch of other villains (all new ones made up for this comic) and stole all their powers. So, now he was much more powerful than anyone else. He easily defeated the main five heroes of the Superfriends and we learn that he (off panel) defeated all the other superhero teams like the Teen Titans and the Freedom Fighters. So, then it was up to Marvin and Wendy to save the day... and they did. They used a clever plan and defeated the World Beater.
I remembered in an episode of the cartoon with mysterious clouds that was causing animals (not people) to grow or shrink. It was Wendy that figured out that the cloud caused animals to shrink at night but would become giant in daylight. (Wonder Dog was temporarily turned into a giant)
She looked so cute and shy when Batman praised her to his teammates. 😄
Excellent retrospective as always! Thank you!
I liked that the head canon I always had for Wendy and Marvin became canon where they were geniuses. I always believed they were always told that being that smart would lead them into becoming mad scientists. I also believed that it was Robin was Dick Grayson who discovered them and introduced them to the JLA in order to show them that using their brains over brawn can be done for good not evil. It was a little sad how they ended up, but in Young Justice, it was a nice to see them again as friends in civilian clothes.
Really glad my favorite comic book channel has been talking about my favorite cartoon lately. I could just cry.
Ok I’m hooked and thank you for this. I’ve really been enjoying the humor of you’re channel as you revisit classic comics but this one took the cake and earned you a subscriber.
Sadly, I was more perturbed about the Titans allowed a murder in their base under their noses than Marvin being murdered. Definitely a WTF moment!
I remember reading an interview with Emily Bett Rickards in 2013 where she said her Arrow character was originally going to have the name of a character from Teen Titans before they changed it to Felicity. I can't remember who though? I wonder if it might have been Wendy, and thus there's a parallel universe somewhere where fans shipped Weniver. Or whatever other combination someone came up with.
There is a Felicity Smoak in the comics: she's the head of a software firm who frequently was the butt of the joke in Firestorm's series. And in this context "the joke" is "major collateral damage that nearly ruined her business on at least one occasion". She later met, fell in love with and married Ed Raymond... the father of one half of Firestorm, Ronnie Raymond. So yes, the Felicity Smoak of Arrow is a weird mix of one of the Wonder Twins and Firestorm's stepmom, both of whom have black hair instead of blonde. Comics!
What the fuck, why did they have to brutalize them so much in the comics? That's not just needlessly edgy, that's straight up cruel.
As I said on the WT vid, Wendy and Marvin were head and shoulders better than the Wonder Twins. The Wonder Twins were inept, by design, to keep their super powers from overshadowing the heroes. Wendy and Marvin, being normals were incapable of overshadowing the heroes, so they were allowed to be clever. Well, Wendy anyway.
Also, the presence of Wendy, Marvin, and Wonder Dog didn't switch the "Super Friends" into a different genre, the Scooby-Doo genre. It was the "Brady Kids" and "New Sccoby Doo Movies" that made Hanna-Barbera realize that the mystery-solving-kids genre PLUS super heroes was not just viable, but a strong idea for Saturday Morning. The decision was made to put the JLA in that genre and W&M were added to facilitate that. If Wendy and Marvin hadn't been there, it would have been longer before animated super heroes were allowed back onto Saturday Morning TV.
I was pleased when Wendy and Marvin returned in the mid-2000s, but annoyed by them being twins. But it was a nice homage. Marvin's murder and Wendy's crippling just seemed mean-spirited. But that's what happens when light-hearted characters get brought in during the Radium Age. They get Didioed to Death.
I couldn't care less if they were brought back again in comics. I still love comics, and I love the characters. But until some company decides they want my money enough to earn it....
I’m a big fan of these retrospectives. Thank you for these videos.
My pitch: a YJ spinoff that's a Happy Harbour slice-of-life from the POV of Marvin and Wendy. What the kids are up to when they're not saving the world, and attempting to blend in and not blow their covers.
I laugh when People say the DCEU and New 52 were Dark, they don't know what Dark is.
Hanna-Barbera copying Scooby-Doo in a 70s cartoon? Impossible!
If I was a comics writer, I'd bring them back in an issue of Nightwing as college friends of Dick. Wendy and Marvin would be friends who everyone thought were dating because they're so close.
Just imagine the Wonder Dog and Bitewing interactions.
I like this trip back in time to visit Wendy, Marvin, Wonder Dog, the Wonder Twins and Gleek. I think they all have a place in the DCU. I've seen most of the Super Friends incarnations. I felt they added to the Super Friends rather than detract. I liked Super Friends # 1's idea of junior superheroes-in-training.
So much of DC history is defined by insecure "I'M AN ADULT, MOM!" writers who are deeply upset that these characters were EVER marketed towards children...
Yes! It has to be "dark and edgy" like Frank Miller! Or it's not pure! And grown up! Everyone should be dying all the time! That's the only way to show things are serious! Exclamation marks all the time!!!
The porblem with characters like Wendy and Marvin is that they'd need to be regular civilian support characters without special powers, skills or abilities in order to work, driving the story by their personalities alone. If you give them either of those you end up moving too far away from the characters core concepts and also needlessly expand the roster of characters, making everything more complicated than it need to be.
So if anything Wendy and Marvin should be in the same league as Perry White or Jimmy Olson in terms of story impact.
So I just recently found this channel and it already my new favorite on all of CZcams. I've always enjoyed your work on Top 10 Nerd but this is so much better because you are clearly just in your element doing something you love. I'm currently bingeing my way through all of the playlists, even the DC stuff that I never cared about back when I actually collected comics. I'm also thinking I might need to grab myself one of those sweet Casual Comics Code Tees.
I really like the way you have a full deep dive discussion on the stories and how you "have receipts", not to mention the fun voice work during your readings. It is just nice to see someone who really loves the medium but does not take it so seriously and who actually enjoys the silliness and absurdity that comes with comics.
as a child of the 80's and seeing reruns of this show as a kid, i was always weirded out by their existence. i mean there they were! those two people and their dog too! who are they? i dont know? they just kinda just showed up i guess? and then they were gone and the wonder twins were there. also with no explanations.
0:03 amazing voice acting that MARVIN!