Superman's Telepathic Mermaid Ex-Girlfriend - A Lori Lemaris Retrospective
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- Superman has had many love interests throughout his years at DC Comics. However, not all have stood the test if time alongside the Man of Steel. Lori Lemaris the mermaid was at one point a key part of Superman lore. She appeared in Action Comics, Superman, Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane, Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen, Adventure Comics, Justice League and more. Overtime this once stable support faded out even skipping many adaptations. Just who was Lori Lemaris? Find out here on Casually Comics!
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so if lori telepathically influenced superman to kiss lois while the two were on a boat, does that mean lori invented.... SHIPPING?
I mean. Was it before Star Trek?
Lol 😂
This comment really floats my boat
*Sebastian the crab noises intensify*
When Superman first met Lori the Mermaid, that was one of my favorite Superman Comics.😀😃
Emotionally manipulating people who care about them with elaborate schemes and misuse of powers for their own selfish needs… maybe Superman and Lori are perfect for each other lol
Its pretty obvious she just wanted the doctor from another world to share his tech with Atlantis, which lead to Atlantis becoming an insanely technologically advanced race on Earth. I guess they had plans to conquer the surface world all along.
Yes
While Lori didn't appear, she was mentioned in the Death of Superman adaptation in the DCAMU by John Kent and was implied to be Clark's first love.
That was the first time I've heard of her, I thought "Mmm, this sounds way too far fetched to not be true"
@@magitek09 Nothing is far-fetched in Superhero comics.
Oh yeah, she's also mentioned in Supergirl but what episode I don't remember.
@@hydrolito That's not what I meant. Yes, those things are far fetched in Real Life but within the worlds of Superhero comics, they're not.
I mean, everyone who can't fly is effectively a paraplegic to Superman, so Lori's claim his particular affection towards her is pity doesn't
hold water.
I wouldn't hold my breath that she'll be adapted again.
@@ProjektTaku I'm gonna drown in all these water puns. 😩
@@MsDecens don't worry, these are my watered down ones.
@@ProjektTaku I guess I could dip my toes in it too. 🤔
169 likes NOIIIIIIICE
"We prefer the term 'artistic license'." So much salt. So much salt. But mermaids live in the ocean, so it makes so much sense.
The entire run of Smallville I always expected an episode with Lori at some point. It really is shocking she never appeared.
Especially in the first five seasons when Clark was still in school.
@@comixproviderftw_02 I love how smallville just drifted away from the whole "teen clark in high school" thing into "superman starting out in metropolis".
I personally would've liked if after season 5, it focused on clark in a smallville college with new supporting characters and new dynamics as he deals with not only college but also increasingly dangerous villains. Hell, you could have each season focus on each year of his time at college.
"And for the first time; I fell in love."
Wow. Sure hope Lana never finds out Clark
"You break My heart, Clark. For that, i'm gonna marry Jimmy Olsson again,...or Lex Luthor, or Bruce Wayne. I don't know. I have a Long list to go by".
Clark: *flies entire symphony around the planet*
Lori: can't wait to hear when it's finished
Being in a (electric) wheelchair, myself and the fact that I love mermaids, I love the idea of Lori Lemaris.
🧜🏼♀👩🏼🦽
Do you have a magic blanket?
Interestingly (not claiming it's a good thing, just an interesting one), M'Gann in the YJ cartoon did take another of Lori's traits on, not just briefly looking like her: She's the manipulative telepath with poor ethics in Superboy's life (which makes him getting back together with her more than a little creepy).
That poor kid
You know, now thinking bout it, Alicia in Smallville was basically Lori, but if she was a teleporter instead of a mermaid. People liked them together, but it was never meant to be... I love how Chloe was talking about a earthquake after that scene, then Lana walks in wearing Clark's flannel shirt, and she gets it, but wants to know how though.
Anyway, Lori, for such a out there character, she's both important, but yet not. So when she pops up in things, like in Young Justice, she's real important, but if you research her, she has WAY more to her that'll never be translated.
lori is actually my favorite superman suitor.
How is Alicia basically Lori? Alicia didn't know Clark was an alien she thought he was a meteor freak like her what I didn't like about Alicia is that she wanted Clark to reveal his powers to everyone so she wouldn't be alone. Clark couldn't do that because that will trigger Lionel & Lex to come after him & his parents then she doused him with red kryptonite & he got pissed at her for it. Which led him to reveal that he still would've chosen her with or without being affected by the kryptonite then he sadly pulls away from her then he finds her dead in her barn which was sad & heartbreaking. Then they put him back with Lana & I'm ready to beat the hell out of the writers for it but I do agree with you I do like them together I like to think before Lois Alicia was one of the great loves of his life not Lana.
Being in a (electric) wheelchair, myself and the fact that I love mermaids, I love the idea of
Lori Lemaris. 🧜🏼♀👩🏼🦽
As long as Chole didn't get her into a weird sex cult I'm fine whether she was Lori or not.
@@michaelthomas5433 😂😂🤣🤣
I love how sometimes Atlantis is this underwater paradise far surpassing surface dwelling civilization, and other times it’s just Aquabama.
Roll tide!
I always liked Lori. I wish she would stick around in present day. I would love if she were a staple of Superman lot and Aquaman stories cause I agree he has such a cool world and cast of characters that don’t get talked about a lot.
It's not just animals (although it may have been intended to be so at the time). More recent Aquaman comics have confirmed that he can use his abilities more _easily_ with sea creatures, but they'll work on anything -- including humans and aliens. He manages to give a white Martian a seizure with his abilities in Grant Morrison's run on JLA, for example. I'm guessing Lori is the same.
Telepathy. The strangest superpower. Easily dancing through interesting past downright creepy and reaching ultimate terror.
All this time i was waiting for Superman break into Little Maremaid song:
♫Look at this girl, isn't she neat?
Wouldn't you think my "LL" collection's complete?
Wouldn't you think I'm the man
The Man who has everything?♪
I can't believe there's a continuity where Lori dies and Injustice is caused by a harpooning. I kind of want to see that world.
How does Clark get anything done when pretty much any random thing causes him to have a whole issue-long flashback? How many henchmen have escaped with gold from a random bank because Superman saw a cup of coffee that triggered a flashback?
He has the flashbacks at superspeed?
simple: flashback vision
Every time he throws a punch, he thinks about his whole life.
That's why despite Superman supposedly having "super intelligence", he usually acts like just a reasonably smart person rather than a Lex Luthor level genius. Most of his brain power is devoted to sorting out all the flashbacks.
@@RedXlV. Good one!
She is unironically one of my favorite love interests for the Man of Steel alongside the likes of Maxima and Lashina.
Btw, can you do a retrospective on the Dickkory/Dickbabs war? I feel it would be very interesting lol
Lashina?
@@dupersuper1938 She's one of Darkseid's Female Furies.
@@BrandonVout I know who she is: when did she date Superman?
@@dupersuper1938 The only example I know of is in the Animated Series when Darkseid brainwashed Superman into thinking he was raised by Darkseid.
@@BrandonVout imagine if Lori Lamaris was in the DCAU?
I freaking lost it with that "Mermaid in the Hub filter" comment. That was too good.
The perfect love interest is a representation of the world the hero must protect.
Lana Lang is Smallville, Lois Lane is Metropolis,
Lori Limards is... the weird life in college.
Superman, why'd you break up with her? Water you thinking!?
Booo hisss, I love it lol
@@CasuallyComics :p I guess that pun sank!
His crime-fighting career? I would have said his world saving career. Bats is the one that fights crime.
Superman is like a firefighter while Batman is literally a detective.
I kinda love the low key ableism in the original story because it helps make the”Clark pitied her plot line”not only make more sense but it’s also a surprisingly good message for the time.
Superman's telepathic mermaid ex girlfriend may be interesting...but is she as interesting as Aquaman's actual dolphin ex-girlfriend?
The what..? I need a video on this if its true...
@@Chillgamesh Oh yes.It’s in a four issue mini written by Peter David.It was a set up for the Aquaman regular series.
Peacemaker was right all along
Was her name Dalpho?
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 nope. dolphin's a mammal, not a fish. doesnt make it any less weird though.
lmao the dolphin, nera, nicknamed him "loud one". just wow. i wish i could forget this existed.
Lori would be a fun Doctor Who companion in a comic.
Or an audio production. Eight would be delighted.
Well, early Eight.
I'm amused that Superman wants to pick his own wife but turns around and is always trying to manipulate Lois into marrying someone.
I would love it if they brought her back as Superman's first love, after Lana, turned friend and ally. She could be a supporting character of not just Superman, but Aquaman, and Wonder Woman since there are mermaids on Themyscira.
Ooooooh! The levels of cheese cake in 90's comics could only be rivaled by the intensity of those colors. Such intensely bright digitally colored cheese cake, man! T&A has never looked brighter 😄
Also; imagine those days, the guys at DC trying to keep their comics running, month after month, trying to come up with new things to keep things moving, when suddenly they get so low in ideas that they start just pitching whatever they can think of so they could survive another month, just faking it until actually good ideas came along. In one of those days, those desperate moments, someone said "I don't know, man! Something with mermaids maybe?", and so this whole mess spanning decades started. This is how multi-universes start, by the way; you can bet there are universes out there in which Lori is a vampire from the Moon, or a dark elf from an underground city, or an avian-siren instead. It's madness, not as much as nobody recognizing Clark and Superman had long hair at the same time, but madness still.
I still can't past Clark's pony tail.
@@freddogrosso9835 I know, right? Telepathic mermaids with a desperate thirst for Kriptonian loving, I'm fine with that; but nobody saying anything about Clark's pony tail? Nop, massive break of my suspension of disbelief.
I like how Lori used her mind reading abilities with no care for people's privacy. I'm serious. If I had her powers, I would do the same. Miss Martian, Jean Gray, Saturn Girl: we respect boundaries and don't pry into people's minds (even when they should) Lori: I am 24/7 reading tour mind and I know everything about you.
She and clarks relationship seriously need major exploration especially in the mainstream media
It would have worked out of lori wouldnt have denied clark marriage 😂😂😂😂
But she literally rejected him
Than he was lovestruck with her she planned to hook him and luis up and succeded
So he get over her she didnt wanted him hurt😂😂😂
Well what would you want explored exactly about it?
Just a reminder Superman's Kryptonian Mom's name is Lara-L (Later turned Lara-El). She was the original L.L.
Oedpis(spelling) complex theory.
Freud just got a ghost boner from this.
actually its lara lor-van, because kryptonian females take there fathers full name as there last.
Lara Lor-Van is also L L
@@Awestefeld6612 wydm?
Lori Lemaris being a telepathic mermaid could've been a perfect match for Aquaman at this point.
Lori forever! I love her classic Silver Age version and was quite happy when she came back in the '90s (though I wasn't following the series closely at that time).
Definitely room for the modern “lore” of Lori.
I remember when Superman married Lois Lane in the revamped version of Superman, the post Crisis Version, Lori the Mermaid appeared as a bridesmaid at their wedding ceremony.
Well she cheered for luis x clark so she Made sure clark marry luis 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lori even through rejecting clark at marriage at least saved his life like he did for her many times
But yeah she kinda trolled clark she known he was in love with her but well she hooked him up with luis lane
Thanks to this channel, I've been collecting SGFLL. I've really grown to love silver age Lori. I wish a more silver version of her would come back.
Why does DC love decanonizing all of Superman’s cool history. Like the legion, Lori, Cir-El, Superman’s kryptonian Mystical abilities from the 90s etc
yeah. I really wish new 52 superman had some of those things. They could've organically worked all those things instead of just having him do whatever and then die and fuse with post crisis superman. Which while a cool idea, was never brought up again and just muddled superman's history. God, why can't dc make things simple?
I am sorry, but what?? Kryptonian Mystical abilities from the 90s. The textbook definition of a science fiction planet, had magic capabilities and lore?
Speaking of the flow of the Superman books, I was glad when they added the triangle number system on the covers so you could keep track of each issue that follows.
You’re absolutely right. Early Lori was in fact a better character than the later versions.
It allowed her stories to show not all Superman stories were based on his being a god like being, but on character.
The three wives of Superman is a great example of silver age comics. Likewise Lori’s first appearance which shows unequivocally that while Superman is human in the way he thinks, he’s also more than human. He’s like the genius kid in 8th grade who sits in class because he wants to. Even though he should be teaching it. Also Curt Swan and Wayne Boring. Wonderful art particularly Swan. He had the ability to draw realistic super people. People who still look human but idealized. Unlike later artists who are too exaggerated for my taste.
idk why, but I always thought that clark's love interest in the earth-one books (lisa lasalle) was actually lori lemaris in disguise.
Am I the only one absolutely terrified *for* the band being whipped about the world by a horn dog alien?
Like, that little rope ain't stopping anyone from falling off. Acceleration and deceleration is a killer.
How long is he keeping them?
The world is a big place. Have they slept? How long are they up there?
Pretty sure his tactile telekinesis will keep them in place.
@@rmsgrey that's superboy. Silver age superman has a different reason for his powers.
@@ProjektTaku The ability to move entire planets by pushing on them with a contact area of both hands (~64 square inches or 0.04 square meters) rather than pushing a man-size hole through the tunnel due to exerting pressure significantly greater than the ultimate tensile strength of the bedrock requires more than just strength. Superman pushing on the Earth with just enough force to not quite push through solid granite would need to push for roughly a hundred thousand times the age of the universe in order to get it moving at walking speed (relative to its original motion).
The Silver-Age Superman who could move planets around in a meaningful manner must have had some ability to push the whole of an object, whether you call it tactile telekinesis or applied wishful thinking.
@@rmsgrey well, its not tactile tekekinesis. In post-crisis (not the other ones) he has a field around him he can extend to other objects.
@@ProjektTaku So that's different from Superboy's tactile telekinesis? A field around Connor that he can extend to other objects?
"Why does he have KNEES?"
um....
Sasha... he's an alien. Lori is a mermaid with 'artistic license'. big difference
Seeing Tangent Flash come up in this video made me happy, cause while she is my only knowledge on the Tangent universe, thanks to your video, there is just something about her and the style of comic she has that I love
I've been so excited for this video ever since she was mentioned in the werewolf Jimmy video. This did not disappoint.
I could go for a politics of Atlantis video
Topo - the true hero of the deeps.
I would love to see them do more with Lori in this modern age. I was interested in Atlantean Lore from this season of Young Justice so it's interesting to see the original conception of Lori and different interpretations, as flawed as some of them may be.
It would be nice to get a story not centered around Arthur or Mera or an Aquaperson. But I would prefer Lori to be either independent or related to the Superfamily (maybe turn Jimmy into a merman also).
All I remember about that Frank Miller Superman is that it was awful in every way.
Fun video. I know nothing about Lori so this was a great rundown.
A rare mention of Sideways!! Love and miss him
ME TOO! such potential, wasted. 😔
Awesome video! I love these retrospectives!
Have you read Superman #203? It's the perfect wacky Superman issue where Clark goes on a date who isn't Louis, literally eats bullets to protect his secret identity, and pretends to be the devil to trick some thieves.
I don't know why I enjoy Sasha's version of Superman's voice so much.
This Retrospective series mostly seems to fallow female characters. But I feel like a good character to look at is Mysterio. An iconic Spidey villain who’s really a one-trick pony the more you think about it.
The Three Wives of Superman is one of my all-time favorite stories; thank you for including it!
I always found Atlantis lore to be super interesting especially in dc comics, If you ever feel open to it I think that a good video idea would be to do a retrospective on the history of Dc's Atlantis. Like the Atlantis Chronicles and other things. Aswell as every major charters connected to it., like Aquaman, Lori, and Zatanna,
Always liked Lori, just like the goofy idea that superman dated a mermaid, like a superhero version of splash. I think that i would like to see a cross between the classic Lori and the version form young justice. Just tone down Superman pining for her or her pining for him and just let the two be exes who remained really good friends and matured into A politician and a superhero.
I was also really excited for the trench movie, probably more so than the actual dceu films. I thought this would be a great way to introduce b-list, c-list or even D-list characters who would otherwise never get there time to shine. The idea I had was a team of Marine Biologist, (made up of original characters, and references from the comics) all of which are normal people with no powers are investigating bizarre sea life off the coast of a small Spanish fishing town. The scientists find a young woman floating in the ocean and rescue her, as they try to revive her, something is watching them, as it begins to attack and hunt them.
The woman wakes up during the attack she refuses to give her name and the only define characteristic is a small dolphin tattoo somewhere on her person (don't know where), As the trench attack more people she defends the scientist. she's strong but just barley stronger then a normal person the trench still pose a major threat to her. But she and the other fight back escaping back to the coastal town only to discover that the inhabitants of the town either worship the trench or are turning into the trench. I Kind of saw this story as cross between Deep blue see, Underwater, Jaws, The Thing, and Dagon.
This is one of my favorite Superman stories ever! He taught me how to treat people no matter what. Superman is my all time comic book hero!
Question: When they met as teens, did Lori have knees?
Lois took care of that mermaid. Never to be seen again.
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I do like John Rameda's design for her. So that would stay. I would make her Mera's handmaid/advisor, have her people be a "lower" class of merfolk. She would read minds and tell her queen what they are thinking, really establish her as a Aquaman/Mera support. Also have Renaldo be Aquaman's chief scientist, thinking he would be a non-psychic merman, Aquaman needs tech Ronaldo has the device, analyze stuff etc. Have Lori and Ronaldo of course meet when Mera and Aquaman discuss things. Maybe have the servants get married before the nobles. Then slowly put her in JL comics meet Superman if they want him married to Lois that might be a good angle. But I like the idea of her and Superman having interest in each other and If they meet in another universe they would be great together but Ronaldo and Lois are Lori's and Clark's end game in my mind. Also Topo is Aquaman's Squid boy footman. I like the idea of having different levels of Atlanteans. The elite look like human and are amphibious Oceanmaster, & Mera, but Aquaman would be considered one. Amphibious with noticeable fish attributes Ronaldo will be one, and Tempest would be considered one (young justice design. Telepathic fish like people, (fins and Rameda design) Lori and others. Lastly beings like Topo and King Shark.
Lois chases him constantly to get married and he proposed to Lori over and over again 😂 poor Lois
He wanted to marry lori but she never so 😂😂😂😂
I seem to recall Lori fading away into a cloud of antimatter .
I'm really surprised they didn't use her in Smallville, especially since Aquaman was a recurring character.
I can see Lori making a comeback. She would be balancing her duties to Atlantis and her relationship with Clark. She would be mainly a support character that uses her telepathy to help the Man of Steel.
Sometimes Clark acts like his Kryptonian name is Ince-El.
Do not insult the House of Cel
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In of Cel
You know. I believe she was a mermaid to reflect the surprises of college life. College is not just the school down the street. Most people would travel from other states to other countries to go to college. College was weird even in those days.
I was waiting for you to bring her up. I kept telling people of her and get strange looks lol
I really enjoy your retrospectives of characters I've not heard of, and even characters I have! I would love to see more!
Awesome retrospective! Lori was always a favorite of mine. As a kid she was around so much (in new and reprints) that she ranked right up there with Lana and almost Lois, but with the advantage of her being a mermaid! How cool! You even covered the Superboy issue which might have actually been my introduction to her. It was just one of the many hits to the gut to see her killed off in just a few panels in Crisis. Interesting to see she had a lot of post-Crisis appearances. Had no idea.
Wao! So much effort in this video.
Thanks Sasha. This is why I love your channel.
It would be fun to see Lori introduce a secret son of Superman. Superswimmer! Who can't join or mess with the canon because he has fins and not legs.
It's funny to see a character become less important and popular over time. It's like a de-evolution. lol
Finally, the video I've been waiting for:)
Well now Lori is one of the characters I really like before crisis the newer ones made her less of the character she was. Great video 😊
Yay! Sasha mentioned the scrapped Trench movie BUT DID YOU KNOW it's recently been confirmed as a Black Manta solo film? I'd love to see a Black Manta video sometime.
Between him being one of comics 1st Black super villains, to his killing of Aqua Baby and just how compelling he's been since The New 52 and beyond. Manta is such a badass.
8:02 "She's telepathic. She can hear you, Clarke." 😂 Casually Caustic.
Ive been looking forward to this!
I love the fact Superman dated a physic mermaid in college.
I'm living for these deep dives into minor (or not-that-prominent) characters
Loved this exploration of her character! Definitely want to check out some of her Silver Age stuff now...
She couldn't have been too interested in Superman if she was supposed to lose her legs when she got...wet.
A Splash joke😀😃😃
So complicated 😆 thanks for the video!
Lori was in YJ?? That’s the most shocking news to me. I always thought it might’ve been Sheeva Lagoon Boys wife
Damn girl, you knocked this one out of the park. That was some in depth research on Lori. Great job, impressive.
Mermaid knees are vestigial traits from when they were more human-like; Atlanteans such as Aquaman still have them.
I love that you genuinely answered this lol
Your splash sound effects are the best.
For a character so heavily tied to Atlantis its weird she has no real association with Aquaman. That seems like a no brainer.
I'd like to do a modern version of pre-Wonder Woman Diana's relationship with Ronno the Mer-Boy (originally seen in (Wonder Woman vol 1 107, 111-12, 114-116, 118-21, 121, 123, 125, 131, 132, 134, 144, 152), and then establish that "Ronno" was actually a diminutive form of his given name Ronal. Just to establish that Superman's mermaid sweetheart ended up marrying one of Wonder Woman's old boyfriends.
Thank you for covering this in great detail yet efficiently. Finally understood what was up with her.
*Nice La Bamba reference, you're awesome.*
Clark love him the LLs. Lois Lane, Lana Lang, Lori Lemaris... Lex Luthor?
Superman is only interested in those Ls.
Sooo... One of the things that attracted me to my ex-wife is that she was, according to her, "Named after some comic book mermaid." And I, total geek that I am, printed out the story for her. She now goes by Lorelei... different mermaid.
9:42 "That is s a face of a LIAR" I have to say, your delivery on that made me burst out laughing.
If memory serves there was a Pre-Crisis mini series about Superboy at college and Lorie was one of the supporting characters.
Maybe Lex hates Superman because Clark never saw him as a love interest even though he also has the initial LL.
Funny how Silver age Lori is so quick to read minds and manipulate people and Saturn Girl of the Legion of Super Heroes makes a point to never do such a thing, except the time she had to mind wipe Superboy because he saw his date of death.
Saturn Girl: I would never do such an unethical thing.
Lori: (in Saturn Girl's head) Hold my beer.
I have always hated how DC takes Superman's lore away from Clark and give it other people.
Take the Legion from him and give it one of the superboys when it makes much more sense for Clark who grew up alone as far as he knew where Conner and Jon have had fellow young heroes for them to relate to.
Then Lori and her relationship with Clark has that air of young adult love and how alluring it can be and the fact she left Clark the way she does...I feel all this back story explains why he is the most well rounded hero of them all and without them it's how you get a new52 or injustice universe or whatever we have now
Interesting video! Thank you for being so thorough as I’ve often wondered about this character. :) And congratulations on your pregnancy! I wish you and your family the very best! Also, since you mentioned it here, if you like the idea of mermaids in space, check out the very strange manga “Moon Child,” which explores this concept and the Chernobyl disaster of all things….
My favorite appearances of Lori the Mermaid are the Silver Age and the Post Crisis Age or Modern Age.