Evil Space Pirate Queen Takes On Supergirl! | Black Flame Retrospective

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  • Supergirl has incurred the ire of yet another super powered foe. This time the silver age brings us Black Flame, a pirate space queen from the year 4000! Kara Zor El must travel to the future, Kandor, and more to take on an enemy determined to ruin not just her reputation, but steal her powers for good. DC Comics tries another twist on the evil Kryptonian super scientist. Does it work? How does it update in the Bronze age? What does it have to do with Mattel? Find out all that and more on another villains retrospective here on Casually Comics!
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  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Před 2 lety +208

    Man, Sasha's out here introducing us to all these criminally (heh, pun) underused supervillainesses. And it makes me wonder why we never get to see Kara fight her own villains anymore. She's either fighting Clark's or getting involved in personal drama...or being a Red Lantern that one time. Give Kara her own rouges gallery again!

    • @Estarfigam
      @Estarfigam Před 2 lety +8

      I'm all for that.

    • @bydstc1904
      @bydstc1904 Před 2 lety +5

      yes please🙋‍♂️

    • @benjaminbierley2074
      @benjaminbierley2074 Před 2 lety +7

      The sad part is the Red Lantern phase ended up treated just like that in the comic itself...just a phase. Seriously by the end it honestly felt like the characters were just waiting for her to move past it, and not treating it like the seemingly irreversible change it was for most everyone else who becomes a Red Lantern.

    • @jacobonuoha3038
      @jacobonuoha3038 Před 2 lety

      Ya

    • @patrickmiano7901
      @patrickmiano7901 Před měsícem

      Let’s get some originality though. We need male and female villains, and no easy wins.

  • @davemeyers6474
    @davemeyers6474 Před 2 lety +10

    I'm waiting for 2058 when the magic totem that Jimmy used to create the original Supergirl has another 3 wishes available.

  • @JKevinCarrier
    @JKevinCarrier Před 2 lety +71

    I always joke that all of Supergirl's female villains wanted to take her place, and all of her male villains wanted to marry her. It's an exaggeration, but not by much. I suppose it reflects what the editors at the time thought young girls were concerned about: romance and status. Agreed that Black Flame needs a comeback, and also that her "fake" pirate queen background was cooler than her real one.

    • @Drew15000
      @Drew15000 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Inverse of the famous “Every man wants to be James Bond and every woman wants to be with him” saying

  • @paultapner1896
    @paultapner1896 Před 2 lety +14

    That Bob Rozakis knows his stuff. Maybe 19070's DC should give him a job...
    Wasn't Lois's son in that imaginary story where she married Lex someone who went on to become a space criminal? Now we have the ominverse, he and Black Flame can join forces and become omniversal space pirates. I'd buy that for $3.99

  • @wills4579
    @wills4579 Před 2 lety +55

    Imagine if CW’s Supergirl actually gave us Pirate Queen Kryptonitian Black Flame. The possibilities it missed 😔

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 Před 2 lety +3

      honestly, its biggest problems were its clunky dialog, overly complicated stories, and godawful release format. If the seasons were 13-9 episodes, or even 6 episodes, and they streamlined the story without talking down to the audience, it actually could've been good.

    • @emsleywyatt3400
      @emsleywyatt3400 Před rokem

      They came pretty close with that woman the Legion fought.

  • @HandofOmega
    @HandofOmega Před 2 lety +17

    Funny to think that people sending letters in decades ago might still be around to see their letters read aloud on a world wide computer network...Who knew??

  • @moniqueg.6214
    @moniqueg.6214 Před 2 lety +20

    3:30
    Actually, in issue Amazing Spider-man 39 and 40, where Green Goblin reveals himself to Peter Parker for the first time, that’s exactly what happens! Norman’s just going on and on, and Peter is not really interested at all, but he was hoping that if Norman just kept talking, he could figure out a way to escape.

  • @Mechazaurus
    @Mechazaurus Před 2 lety +65

    The Supergirl rouges gallery's biggest problem seems to be that they only get a couple of appearances before being forgotten. DC should really think about bringing some of these weirdos back and building them up a bit as serious recurring enemies. Oh, and "Nasty" Luthor retrospective please?

    • @critica77y77
      @critica77y77 Před 2 lety +4

      Silver Banshee has been a consistent Supergirl foe, at least.

  • @BrandonVout
    @BrandonVout Před 2 lety +49

    Lesla and Zora's relationship is interesting. Everyone says they were friends, yet given Lesla's all-about-me attitude (whereas Zora's just dramatic) and how Zora always talks about idolizing her I'd assume it was an uneven relationship. This is complicated by Lesla taking Zora's name, suggesting there's a mutual care between them.
    Also, I love how meta the surname situation is. Zora gets Lesla's last name to enhance their established connection but in-story it was Lesla who took Zora's name to explain her lack of patronym.

  • @wowneato2869
    @wowneato2869 Před 2 lety +76

    With him being so popular in the Round Robin, I'm absolutely begging you to do a video on Superboy. Whenever a Superboy shows up in a story I'm always like "Is this Jon? Conner? Young Superman? Didn't Superboy become Superman? Which is the one who punched reality so bad Jason came back? Which is the Legion of Heroes one and how? Most importantly, which one had the groovy spiky jacket??"

    • @jpboursaw4469
      @jpboursaw4469 Před 2 lety +3

      @ wow neato I can explain 98% of that, or, you can wait for Sasha’s version, which would be far more entertaining. Suffice it to say, the Pocket Universe Sagas are my all time favorite Superboy stories. I wish DC would do a collected edition, as they are tough to get issues for people to read.

    • @adivorcee2357
      @adivorcee2357 Před 2 lety +6

      Jon is Superman's biological son. Conner is a clone of Superman created by Lex Luthor. Young Superman would be the Superboy comics from the golden age. Yes, recently Jon has taken up the mantle of Superman. The Superboy from Earth-Prime is the one that punched reality (He's just a version of Clark Kent from another reality). Jon is the one from the Legion of Heroes.

    • @freddogrosso9835
      @freddogrosso9835 Před 2 lety +3

      I think Superboy (Conner) is the one with the spiky jacket. The 90's one, from the Death of Superman. I might be wrong, tho.

    • @lagvaldemag8593
      @lagvaldemag8593 Před 2 lety +1

      @@adivorcee2357 I heard that Superboy Prime (the one who punched the reality) wasn't Clark Kent but a fan of Superman from 'real world'?

    • @adivorcee2357
      @adivorcee2357 Před 2 lety +2

      @@lagvaldemag8593 It's sorta both. He is actually Kal-El but the universe he's in doesn't have any actual superheroes and Superman was just a comic character. He was teleported to New England when Naomi and Jerry Kent found him and named him Clark. He was made fun of growing up because he had the same name as superman but he took it in stride. Then after he found out about his powers Crisis on infinite earths happened before he got angsty in Infinite crisis and punched reality.

  • @bholmes1035
    @bholmes1035 Před 2 lety +8

    Marvel used to give 'No-Prizes' to letter writers who pointed out errors AND offered logical explanations. Bob Rozakis, when he later worked for DC, did that as the Answer Man in the Daily Planet pages of comics in the 70s. It's funny to see him writing in as a fan-boy.

  • @BrandonVout
    @BrandonVout Před 2 lety +14

    I always loved Black Flame's first issue, it shows Kara's intelligence in overcoming an enemy of equal power.

  • @toganium4175
    @toganium4175 Před 2 lety +10

    1:53
    There was also a story in the Bronze Age where a STAR Labs employee creates something that makes everyone in Metropolis afraid of water, so Superman drains all the water from Metropolis. It was nicknamed “Thirsty Thursday” in the future.

  • @AerinMoriarty
    @AerinMoriarty Před 2 lety +91

    Kinda love Maid of Menace, but Dame of Damnation hits different! Whatever we call her, I need to see more!

    • @jpboursaw4469
      @jpboursaw4469 Před 2 lety +3

      Plus, there’s the rhyme scheme. Wait for it…wait for it….
      There you go.

  • @justicierodelaliga
    @justicierodelaliga Před 2 lety +9

    Sasha, never, ever again, leave some content at the end because you think the video ran too long. You´re the Godess of Comics. None of us are ever tired of a single part of your videos. We want it all!!!!

  • @pistaalkohol
    @pistaalkohol Před 2 lety +7

    Based on Alan Moore's "Whatever happened to the man of tomorow", yes your chidren also born with power even if you had contacted gold kryptonite

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 Před 2 lety +1

      that's such a good comic. Really wish sasha did a video on it.

  • @eberwald4438
    @eberwald4438 Před 2 lety +17

    I like when the hero and villain have no personal connection. "He killed my uncle's cockatoo, Now it's personal!" is overused these days. To me it removes some of the virtue from being the hero. It makes it seem like they wouldn't have done anything if they hadn't been directly impacted.
    One of my favorite hero/villain combos is Corbin Dallas and Zorg in 5th Element. They never even meet!

    • @Bezaliel13
      @Bezaliel13 Před 2 lety +3

      Agreed, and it does sound more noble to be heroic to hep people than just to clean up your own mess.

  • @jpboursaw4469
    @jpboursaw4469 Před 2 lety +27

    I feel like Black Flame was the prototype for Reign from the Supergirl TV series. No Prate Ancestry, Super Robots, Future Fillings, Anniversary Pee Covers we’re harmed or retconned in the making of said episodes.
    And didn’t Bob Rozakis end up working for DC Comics later on? Plus: Kryptonite Balls!?! No way that would make the E. Nelson Birdwell cut!
    Still, that was my favorite Supergirl uniform, and my favorite MiiiiiiikeSekowsky! Even if they glossed over Comets rampage, or Kara’s need to be liked in the future, where CZcams comments are a thing of the past.
    Sass that, Rozakis…

    • @Skeezer66
      @Skeezer66 Před 2 lety +4

      I was thinking the same thing! He become an editor, or something like that.

    • @1locust1
      @1locust1 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes, he did.

    • @pettyofficerdan1807
      @pettyofficerdan1807 Před rokem

      Yes, he did: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rozakis

  • @GuessWho7197
    @GuessWho7197 Před 2 lety +4

    2:48 It seeme like Kara doesn't really like sand. Understandable. It can be coarse and rough and irritating. Not to mention it gets everywhere.

  • @mayssm
    @mayssm Před 2 lety +3

    Batman: "The answer is simple. Metropolis _ _ _ _ _ . That's too many letters for "zoo", so it must be Petco."

  • @ashleytuchin7693
    @ashleytuchin7693 Před 2 lety +10

    I actually love your idea for bringing back pirate queen Blackflame! It's really a shame that they don't utilise more of these villains, every hero deserves their own rogues gallery.
    Also, can we just show some respect for how awesome Sasha's repertoire of character voices is?

  • @COMICSAREAWESOME
    @COMICSAREAWESOME Před 2 lety +5

    Fun fact: Pre-Crisis Supergirl had a foe called Starfire. She had a gem in her eye.

    • @CMWaters
      @CMWaters Před 2 lety +2

      So that makes two other Starfires before the New Teen Titans one, as the character Red Star went by that name too.

    • @COMICSAREAWESOME
      @COMICSAREAWESOME Před 2 lety +1

      @@CMWaters also the character from Star Hunters. Also from DC.

    • @COMICSAREAWESOME
      @COMICSAREAWESOME Před 2 lety +1

      @@CMWaters I think there was a story involving all of them (except sadly the Supergirl villain).

  • @okupant880
    @okupant880 Před 2 lety +6

    The Pirate thing could work really well. A greyish kryptonian path could work well as well. Could even have her a kinda redemption arc where she goes from villain to anti hero. Having for some reason or another take the place of Supergirl or maybe even Superman or both in protecting earth while they're gone. Have her fail, feel conflicted, struggling with the weight of things and the decisions she has to make, whether to try to be like the other supes, maybe think about going injustice and Zod like for the sake of everyone on Earth. If given a decent introduction through a tie in comic she could be given an opportunity to truly become a great character and maybe even a staple. A darker counterpart to the main supes but still on the side of good or at least not evil.

  • @bensneb360
    @bensneb360 Před 2 lety +17

    The Desperado Dame would of been a better fit than the Maid of Menace, it fits the whole pirate theme more…
    Also there a Leprechaun villain in DC, I want an obscure retrospective please :)

    • @Tiggeralt
      @Tiggeralt Před 2 lety +4

      I want to say the Golden Age Green Lantern and Wonder Woman did meet leprechauns once or twice.

  • @johnpjones182
    @johnpjones182 Před 2 lety +4

    Bob Rozakis eventually became a writer and editor at DC. He had a regular feature as the Answer Man.

  • @WarmLillie
    @WarmLillie Před 2 lety +6

    Yarr har fiddle dee dee
    Being a pirate is alright to be
    Do what you want cause a pirate is free
    Yarr har! Wind at your black flame wherever you go!
    Blue space above and blue skies below
    You are a pirate!

  • @lucywillis4535
    @lucywillis4535 Před 2 lety +4

    DC comics have 80 years old interesting villains who show up once, before never returning...

  • @starmigerr8104
    @starmigerr8104 Před 2 lety +6

    Need more Legion of Super-Heroes content! How about commenting on the convoluted Kara/Brainiac Five pairing? Or the tragically brief life of Ferro Lad?

  • @anandashankarmazumdar
    @anandashankarmazumdar Před 2 lety +7

    Wait … was that snarky letter from DC’s own Answer Man Bob Rozakis? Was that a stepping stone for him on his way to becoming a DC Comics editor? Or was he already an editor and calling out a co-worker in a public letters column? Harsh.

  • @ThePongzilla
    @ThePongzilla Před 2 lety +18

    I Really like these obscure or forgotten villains. Keep them coming

  • @kratoscraken5614
    @kratoscraken5614 Před 2 lety +6

    Talking about Supergirl and you have the powergirl look lol good job 👍

  • @Ale_LSH
    @Ale_LSH Před 2 lety +4

    Damn those readers were ruthless, they got no mercy for faulty continuity

  • @readingking1421
    @readingking1421 Před 2 lety +7

    These retrospectives are rapidly becoming some of my favorite content.

  • @CosmicErrata
    @CosmicErrata Před 2 lety +1

    "I've been watching you check on me."
    *Careless whisper plays*

  • @artemiswolf4508
    @artemiswolf4508 Před 2 lety +36

    I want black flame to come back but this time her fake backstory of being an evil space queen descended from supergirl is real.
    I think that would be such an interesting dynamic and could bring so much conflict.
    Also it’s not unrealistic to think that if Kara and Clark start a line of superpower children, one of them is eventually going to be evil and abused their powers.

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 Před 2 lety

      fun fact, in a superman and batman elseworlds comic that details their entire lives, superman has a son and daughter and the son is evil and powerless.

    • @blackrazer22
      @blackrazer22 Před 2 lety

      @@projekttaku1 Was that Batman/Superman Generations?

    • @projekttaku1
      @projekttaku1 Před 2 lety

      @@blackrazer22 yeah. Its honestly a pretty cute story for the world's finest.

  • @user-je8gh7et6v
    @user-je8gh7et6v Před 2 lety +1

    4:40
    So that's where Dr. Robotnik got inspiration for his announcement

  • @roberth.9664
    @roberth.9664 Před 2 lety +4

    Black Flame"s fake yet prefect backstory really feels similar to the Red King from the House of El Future State story and now I want to see the two of them team up and talk about how they're totally cooler the rest of the family because evil.

  • @afoolishsquire6850
    @afoolishsquire6850 Před 2 lety +3

    Love how when it comes to comics and anime literally anything can be a title, no matter how odd/wtf, and still be accurate

  • @payableondeath7
    @payableondeath7 Před 2 lety +1

    I feel like Black Flame could show up in JLQ in a heartbeat and Batwoman would be like "Damn I don't want to punch you, but I'm going to"

  • @dannytarver4533
    @dannytarver4533 Před 2 lety +5

    11:45 the first thing that flashed in my mind was the"Klingon Death Scream"!!! Haven't seen STNG since it was on the air. It was one of the coolest things I had ever seen Worf joining in to warn the next life a Klingon warrior is coming.🤣 Metal!

    • @CasuallyComics
      @CasuallyComics  Před 2 lety +2

      I love Heart of Glory so much, it's such a good episode. It's the first time you really see how different Worf is culturally from other Klingons, and also the bigotries still in place since the peace is still relatively newish. However, it's also nuanced cause those Klingons do turn out to be sus. The struggle he has to go through in that episode. It's so good! People give season 1 of TNG a lot of flak but there are some solid episodes.

    • @brot5246
      @brot5246 Před 2 lety +1

      @@CasuallyComics
      Can you explain those klingons in the first episode of discovery??

  • @macuna1995
    @macuna1995 Před 2 lety +8

    This was fun, always great deep diving into obscure DC characters. Which is why I love *Brother Power The Geek* so much.

  • @Brahmsonite
    @Brahmsonite Před 2 lety

    "I'm so nerdy I'm trying to answer the letter." That's why we love you, Sasha. Don't ever change.

  • @notoriouslego8204
    @notoriouslego8204 Před 2 lety

    I have to say thank you to you Sasha because you brighten my day a little bit when you upload. It was really helpful to me last March when my dog had just passed away. She was a very important part of my life. As most peoples pets are. But what made her special to me was that she was a “miracle dog “ when we first got her she had complications with her brain and the vet gave her a diagnosis of about 20% chance to live if even that high. She ended up pulling through and living another 8-9 years. Until last year when we found out she has cancer and they gave us a similar odds. I knew she could pull through and she did. But sadly died 2 weeks later in my arms. I was very upset and the people around me were very loving and supportive. But on top of that I had your videos and those always cheered me up. I’ve come to another point in my life where I have to say a sad goodbye and here are your videos again. So thank you

  • @DanBrownPierces
    @DanBrownPierces Před 2 lety +1

    I really hope that’s the same Bob Rozakis who worked as an editor for DC in the mid-70’s and 80’s.

  • @TimothyMReynolds
    @TimothyMReynolds Před 2 lety +2

    The Elf from the random villains squad reminds me of Steve Gerber’s Elf With A Gun, at least visually

  • @talk2myself315
    @talk2myself315 Před 6 měsíci

    15:44 - Good lord, I think that's the sassiest I've ever heard the Answer Man get 😂 We were all with you, Bob!

  • @justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097

    If Lesla & Zora came back and both went for their Supergirl related goals Lesla would be cosplaying Supergirl whilst Zora's cosplaying a space pirate queen. That just sounds beautifully whacky to me.

  • @ronsadowski3821
    @ronsadowski3821 Před 2 lety +1

    Just wanted to point out that the second letter writer you cited, Bob Rozakis went on to write and edit at DC from the late 1970's to the early 1990's. He would go on to write a number of stories for Superman and Superman Family characters under Schwartz & Bridwell. I wonder if they remembered the letter from the kid who told them "Imagen what I'll do if I really like an issue."

  • @r5img
    @r5img Před 2 lety +2

    I think I'm correct in saying Adventure Comics #400 is the original Streaky's last appearance in a pre-Crisis publication, barring reprints. Although technically he's a robot imposter in that tale, so his genuine last appearance is #398.

  • @kingdomcomesuperman3669
    @kingdomcomesuperman3669 Před 2 lety +4

    Lesla's obsession for Kara in my opinion worked better with Lelsa essentially seeming more irrational over over it whilst showing the magnitude of Kara's influence both good and this case bad on people. It reminds me of the fighting game approach in reverse where villians who committed acts in the story introducing characters that were victim to their actions aiming to get back whilst the perpetrators were ignorant of the impact they caused.

  • @BrandonVout
    @BrandonVout Před 2 lety +6

    Black Flame is probably the most iconic of Supergirl's obscure villains at the time given how many appearances outside of Supergirl's comics she had. It feels like they wanted to make her into something but it wouldn't stick between changing creative teams.

  • @legoben98productions
    @legoben98productions Před 2 lety

    Lesla: “you’re ruining my life & destroying my life’s work!!”
    Supergirl: “I don’t even know who you are.”

  • @Allison_Troy
    @Allison_Troy Před 2 lety +2

    I hope you have Starfire (no... not that Starfire and no not the other one) on your list of hit-and-run-never-to-return Supergirl villains from Mike Sekowsky's run. She came across as a bargain basement Dr. Cyber... but she had that fancy bedazzled eye-patch.

  • @alexknj1
    @alexknj1 Před 2 lety

    I like the letter sections because it shows that fans have not changed over the last 50 years, they're just louder.

  • @AgentDeCamp4
    @AgentDeCamp4 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey Sasha, the letter writer Bob Rozakis actually ended up working for DC and had a column called “The Answer Man”

  • @minaverry
    @minaverry Před 2 lety

    I love how later DC hired Bob Rozakis as an editor, after that sick burn of a letter...
    Also, space pirates, even fake ones, are the coolest. They absolutely should bring Black Flame back.

  • @roryscott2941
    @roryscott2941 Před 2 lety +1

    My descents may become evil but their teeth shall always be perfect! Perfect!

  • @dennismason3740
    @dennismason3740 Před 2 lety

    My goodness that one-piece is gorgeous. The hair is surreal, a 40s flip, impervious to wind.

  • @freddogrosso9835
    @freddogrosso9835 Před 2 lety

    0:29. I love that panel of Lesla pointing. The eyebrows.

  • @HandofOmega
    @HandofOmega Před 2 lety +11

    We NEED a "Kryptonian Bad Girls in the Phantom Zone!" spin-off! Also, isn't Black Flame's first panel shot a duplicate of the Magical Super-Girl's cover appearance? Nice shout-out, if so...

  • @markbyzewski2907
    @markbyzewski2907 Před 2 lety +4

    I wonder if that is the same Bob Rozakis that worked for DC in the 70s and 80s. I would tend to think so.

  • @Alefiend
    @Alefiend Před 2 lety +2

    Bob Rozakis is from my hometown! Meaningless, but comments feed the algorithm.

  • @ianbyrne465
    @ianbyrne465 Před 2 lety +1

    Honestly. Pirate Queen Black Flame woukd be rad as hell in modern canon. Even leave in some of the sillier elements.
    Make the planet have like, some basic propulsion so it's like a giant ship, and say she carpet bombed a side of it so that there was always her "flag" on the surface as warning.
    Maybe she's been searching across the galaxy for tech to power her up more. Gives her motive and ability. Though I think she'd be best being a smart, cruel villain.

  • @davidarlington1206
    @davidarlington1206 Před 2 lety

    If Black Flame comes back, she should come back as a costume designer for supervillains. She was stylin'

  • @rodneylindsey849
    @rodneylindsey849 Před 2 lety +2

    Personally not feelin Black Flame , except for Her Costume ( without the mask) Your Wig & Black Top are Perfect for this video 👍🏾 Going to leave it to Silver Age Madness… I Hope Your not done with Merpeople, I’d Luv the Aquaman taking His shot at Mermaid Lois video…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾

  • @timba3olf568
    @timba3olf568 Před 2 lety

    That "coloring error" costume is actually pretty sick.

  • @actiongeek1
    @actiongeek1 Před rokem

    With super powers, comes insanely super complicated stressed-out lives. Black Flame is awesome. We need stories based on her fictitious pirate queen fabrication. Plus, skull planets are cool.

  • @SupergurlKara
    @SupergurlKara Před rokem +1

    Sasha, I love your black shirt with the window. With the short haircut, you remind me of an evil/elseworld Power Girl.

  • @kinginthenorth1437
    @kinginthenorth1437 Před 2 lety +1

    An actual space pirate queen could be a cool villain. Like a cross between Corsair from X-Men and Belit from Conan the Barbarian.

  • @Bezaliel13
    @Bezaliel13 Před 2 lety

    Kind of neat that she was motivated by revenge for a villain that was just envious.

  • @Bezaliel13
    @Bezaliel13 Před 2 lety

    Supergirl: "Black Flame?"
    Blackfire: "BlackFIRE!"
    Supergirl: "Not you, her!"

  • @patrickmcgavin2245
    @patrickmcgavin2245 Před rokem +1

    I thoroughly enjoy your different voices for each character. My favorite voice you do is Batman.

  • @DSan-kl2yc
    @DSan-kl2yc Před rokem +1

    They could just have the same origin but she goes and becomes a real pirate queen. But I like the fact it's a fake out. Feels like commentary that people would just believe a villains origin.

  • @travishiltz4750
    @travishiltz4750 Před 5 měsíci

    Bob Rozkais, who wrote the sassy letter, went on to write for DC comics, and become one of the guys in charge of answering sassy letters.
    The irony!
    I'd love a mini where Black Flame is sick of fighting supergirl and decides to go become a space pirate.

  • @rna151
    @rna151 Před rokem +1

    Not gonna lie, a Kryptonian pirate queen could be boss as hell.

  • @Psycopathicus
    @Psycopathicus Před 2 lety +2

    OK, I think I have come up with a moderately brilliant way to bring the Black Flame pirate queen future back into actual canon, while retaining some of the existing flavor of the character. Hear me out.
    So, Black Flame is reintroduced into modern comics, and at first, it's essentially a retelling of this story. Black Flame shows up, boasts to Supergirl about how she's a pirate queen from the future and a descendant of hers; Supergirl checks on... wait... is Kandor around at the moment? Oh, well, whatever the current enclave of surviving Kryptonians is; there always seems to be one these days. (Anyway, this could also be in spin-off media, so I'll just keep it as Kandor.) She goes to Kandor to see if anyone's missing, and discounts the possibility of Zora Vi-Lar - but here's where the first changes comes in. First, Zora is not just a friend, but an actual sister of Lesla-Lar - and second, Kara doesn't just see her at work on a view-screen, she actually meets her, and she's perfectly nice and sweet - no ill-feeling towards Supergirl at all. Zora loved her sister, but she was a bad seed; she's got no desire to avenge her, and the name 'Black Flame' rings no bells at all.
    Ah, but there could still be trickery, the reader will say - and so it seems, at first, since Supergirl again goes into the future, and they've never heard of Black Flame, and she's remembered and revered as a great hero. But evidence keeps piling up that it couldn't POSSIBLY be Zora, which finally culminates in Black Flame actually kidnapping Zora, and removing her mask right before Supergirl's eyes - and they're the spitting image of each other. Almost no difference; she and Black Flame could be twins. But how can this be? Simple, cackles Black Flame - 'I said I was a pirate queen from the future, and the descendant of Supergirl. I told you the truth - but I never said I was a descendant of YOU'.
    So here's what is ACTUALLY the case: Black Flame is a result of branching realities. She's from the dimension where Lesla-Lar really DID become Supergirl, for keeps, long enough to form a dynasty - she's Lesla's descendant, not Kara's; she and Zora look alike because, by one dimensional remove, they're family. In that dimension's future, the first Supergirl is remembered as a great hero who went bad, and Black Flame, as a pirate, reveres her ancient ancestor for the legacy of crime and conquest that she's always tried to live up to. However, her rivals exiled her here, to an alternate reality and past where the whole timeline that created her never existed - so she's going to MAKE it happen. Lesla-Lar isn't available, so she's going to brainwash Zora, kill Kara, and have Zora replace her as Supergirl, and turn to crime. Then Black Flame will go far into the future of the resulting timeline, team up with her inevitable Kryptonian pirate queen counterpart, and, with her help and backing, invade her own timeline to rule again! Bwahahaha!
    Naturally, it doesn't work. Kara stops her and sends her to the Phantom Zone; Zara goes back home, and the legacy of Supergirl remains untainted. But the Black Flame is still out there, scheming to break loose and regain power, and in the meantime, Zora - who, let's not forget, is a brilliant scientist - did get just a TOUCH of the brainwashing before she was released, and is starting to get some odd and disturbing ideas...

  • @thenationaltimelyactionhou9328

    Superman off-world reminds me of the Supergirl film from 1984. Also in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Clark is exposed to Gold Kryptonite but his son still has powers, so it's not hereditary

  • @CieJe.Alexander
    @CieJe.Alexander Před 2 lety +2

    Silver age was so crazy.
    I mean could Kara maybe consult with Kal (or vice versa) about all these Kandor problems as they come up?
    Also Kandor seriously needs to stop stalk-watching the Super cousins so much, and pay more attention to the evil scientists they are raising.
    And why call herself Black Flame? Name seems kinda random.
    Great job as usual Sasha! keep em coming!🥰

    • @BrandonVout
      @BrandonVout Před 2 lety +1

      Supergirl has quite a few villains with variations of "black" and "flame" in their names: Black Flame, Starfire, Night Flame, Blackstarr...
      All great and completely different characters that can't be used in stories too close together to avoid confusion.

    • @CieJe.Alexander
      @CieJe.Alexander Před 2 lety

      @@BrandonVout I hadn't realized that she didn't get along with Starfire! But now you've got me wondering... Did she ever go up against Captain Marvel's, Black Atom?

    • @BrandonVout
      @BrandonVout Před 2 lety

      @@CieJe.Alexander Different Starfire. DC had a bunch of characters with that name at the time. Supergirl's Starfire was a crime boss with a jewel for her eye that had hypnotic powers.
      I believe she went up against Black Adam but I can't remember a specific story.

  • @raynebowmo2223
    @raynebowmo2223 Před 10 měsíci

    3:32 I was playing fallout yesterday and when Preston Garvey went to tell me his backstory I told him "no I don't want to hear it," he literally just went "c'mon man, hear me out" and then told me anyways. I feel like that's what would happen.

  • @UncleMuin
    @UncleMuin Před 2 lety

    Your comment about heroes not listening to villains' monologing/ backstories: Spider-Man kept ignoring, and interrupting the "tragic origin" story of "Street!" The living asphalt villain...
    It was hilarious, as Spidey kept stopping him to say "Don't care!" "Didn't ask!" And "Woah! Too much info!"

  • @sgtmajor5700
    @sgtmajor5700 Před 2 lety +3

    I imagine Woody, Buzz, and Weezie guarding Supergirl.

  • @louisvlleguy
    @louisvlleguy Před 2 lety +1

    Who doesn't love sassy letters!!??!!

  • @VenkCutterman
    @VenkCutterman Před 2 lety

    8:58: That’s gonna be stuck in my head for awhile

  • @Tiggeralt
    @Tiggeralt Před 2 lety

    The Imaginext Super Friends comics had a lot of fun callbacks. It's the series that introduced me to Mopee.

  • @jpistolas
    @jpistolas Před 2 lety

    I think Superman built the robots to further his twisted hobby of gaslighting Lois.

  • @4thofEleven
    @4thofEleven Před 2 lety

    Much like Supergirl, I too am haunted by the fear that people in the year 4000 will hate me.

  • @gregoryo4417
    @gregoryo4417 Před 2 lety +1

    Loved all of your amazing content from this channel, it helped me learn a lot. If you don't mind, I have a recommendation for a video: either the history of the Hobgoblin in Marvel Comics and how so many people have taken the mantle, or (A personal favorite of mine) the time Spider-Man beat Hobgoblin when he was super drunk. Please make a video on this if you can, the world NEEDS to know!

  • @edwinstovall3334
    @edwinstovall3334 Před rokem

    I think I remember seeing the "Return of the Black Flame" story when I was a kid. The artwork looked familiar. I did get surprised when I recognized that artwork as being done Mike Sekowsky, the first artist for the Justice League of America! It was the S-shield; Mike always drew it large but with curved sides. Aside from that, Mike's stuff always seemed a little stiff to me. No matter. Steve Ditko's art seemed stiff sometimes too, but I love his Spider-Man and Dr. Strange stuff!

  • @HandofOmega
    @HandofOmega Před 2 lety

    Gold K? Well, at least Kara didn't think of just getting her tubes tied...

  • @talk2myself315
    @talk2myself315 Před 6 měsíci

    17:55: Wait, is that the Headmaster Mind and Punch?! Awesome! Headmaster Mind was easily the *LAMEST* villain from the original JLA run. He appeared in Justice League #28 where he got actually cool villains like the Top, Matter Master and Tattooed Man to join his "crime school" schtick.
    For some ungodly reason, Denny O'Neil brought him back in the late Silver Age as the leader of a conspiracy against Green Arrow in Justice League #69 (Nice!). That story would have been *SO* much better if he wasn't the one behind it. He then was brought back one last time to fight Wonder Woman in Adventure Comics #461, where he was mercifully killed.
    Punch was a know-it-all teenager who actually tried to join the Headmaster Mind's school, but the Headmaster Mind just literally kicked him off his porch. Punch instead attempted to prove himself be expecting his own plan to kill the Teen Titans in Teen Titans #19. The best part of that story was the cover and the art.
    I apologize for my tangent, I just had no idea that they ever brought those characters back. Like, why, though? I suppose if anybody could make the Headmaster Mind usable, it would the the DCAU. It looks like they actually played him for his humor instead of trying to make him a serious threat (seriously, they originally wanted to place him on the same level as Dr. Destiny, Despero or the Crime Syndicate). I think that's the only way his character could he used, as is.
    Sorry again for my tangent. That scene just triggered a memory for me I wasn't prepared for. Great retrospective as always, Sasha!

  • @johnfeer9609
    @johnfeer9609 Před 2 lety

    Btw, BLack Flame made a final appearance in the late bronze age in issues 1 & 2 of “Superman Presents the Krypton Chronicles” (1981), big black mask and all...definitely worth reading IMHO.

  • @JS-hw8ve
    @JS-hw8ve Před 2 lety +20

    "I am evil space lady, and I am so emotionally attached to another space lady that I TAKE HER LAST NAME...... but we are not lesbians.... uh... more like sisters! yeah, that's the ticket! Sisters. Totally NOT lesbians."- Black Flame, probably.

    • @BrandonVout
      @BrandonVout Před 2 lety +9

      They were roommates!

    • @MrSafior
      @MrSafior Před 2 lety +3

      I miss the time when two people of the same genders can be just friends.

    • @mitchfletcher2386
      @mitchfletcher2386 Před 2 lety +1

      @@MrSafior Yeah, me too.

  • @benwasserman8223
    @benwasserman8223 Před 2 lety +1

    We sure that isn’t Lena Luthor trying out a masquerade pirate costume?

  • @HankChinaski27
    @HankChinaski27 Před 2 lety

    That golden shower cover will haunt my dreams.

  • @rasheedsanders1067
    @rasheedsanders1067 Před 2 lety +1

    Black Flame standing over Kara is going to live rent free in my head and I don't know how to feel about that. The show is over now but I think Black Flame could've been made into a serviceable in Supergirl.

  • @JSRLPadre
    @JSRLPadre Před 2 lety

    BAHAHAHAHAHA Clark as the Lo Fi Girl? I need that comic run published YESTERDAAAAAAY!

  • @TheIfura
    @TheIfura Před 2 lety

    Holly heck, that sand despair voice over, i can't, i had to stop the video. Very good, lol.

  • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
    @InfamyOrDeath-__- Před 2 lety

    You did the voices very well in this vid haha, top marks.

  • @rebeccakickass1776
    @rebeccakickass1776 Před 2 lety

    I love this video 😀... Thank you for telling us about such a saddy under used villain

  • @quantafreeze
    @quantafreeze Před 2 lety

    I like the red! Great video!