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I am a Catholic. We absolutely have, in the sacrifice of Christ, a finished work that accomplishes what Father, Son, and Spirit intended in eternity past.
Thank you.
This guy is a fraud.
You don't because you can go to the eucharist 20,000 times and still lose salvation by commission of a mortal sin. It isn't finished, it depends on you, which is grave error.
No you all don’t. Your salvation depends on you and your works and not on the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ -which is the ONLY perfect sacrifice.
Also, you all repeat the sacrifice over and over every Sunday, thousands of times throughout the world. The atonement was done ONCE and is FINISHED according to the written word of God.
@mrslisabaird I'm a little confused on this idea. I assume this a is a Faith vs works argument.
Is it your belief that I could be saved or baptized in my youth but later kill someone and still go to heaven?
It's my assumption that a lesser or menial would not doom me to an eternal hell, like accidentally shoplifting, or telling white lies. But there is some line as a cutoff that implies by your actions that you've turned away from christ.
Catholics don't believe that faith alone is enough. Sad. I hope that if you are catholic, you actually believe that
It never ceases to amaze me that so many fervent anti-Catholics will bash Catholicism by twisting tidbits of what the Church actually teaches and believes. If they only took that time to actually study and learn it instead of looking for ways to lead others astray in doing the Devil's work.
Well said unity through the holy Spirit and God's love and blessings on All
So glad to see all these Catholics understand their faith !!
I was just thinking the opposite...
@@markwildt5728 I just love that you are an expert on what others believe. 🤓
As a Catholic we have what Jesus said in Jn 6. “I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh" The mystery is that on Good Friday Jesus died on the Cross, on Easter Sunday he rose again and has remained with his church in the Holy Eucharist to the end of time.. Jesus we Trust in you. 🙏
Also John 4:13-14. A beautiful summary of the Holy Eucharist
So why do you have Purgatory?
@@sinclairal The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a “purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,” which is experienced by those “who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified” (CCC 1030). It is in the Old Testament, in the Jewish faith, and in the Orthodox Church.
@@declancronin437it is a false doctrine found no where in the bible
@@declancronin437and your statement right there says that you don't believe what Protestants believe.
You only need purification if Christ's sacrifice wasn't perfect. Catholics like to pretend they believe what the Bible tells them, and then use sola ecclesia to prove they really don't believe what Protestants Believe.
Interestingly, the first named person to protest Jesus’ teaching on the Eucharist was Judas Iscariot.
Will keep you in my prayers, James White.
See you in the Catholic Church, God willing.
are you able to rebuttal his argument?
Early church left the chat
Roman institution that took advantage of Christian doctrine*
The early church isn't here typing on computers, they're with the Lord.
Jesus was most certainly not a Calvinist lol
Jesus was a gay muslim trans vegan
If the "early church" would leave, then what else is left in the world and Jesus' presence would no longer be on Earth since He promised to be with the Church till the end of time.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
Watch the debate between this man and Trent Horn 4 years ago. It will explain everything this man challenges. Trent does an amazing job representing RCC
James destroys him tho
@@legomonJames utterly destroys him! And I love Trent Horn for his pro-life work over the years, but he’s no match for James, or Jeff for that matter, in a debate.
Agreed. James had the burden of proof in that debate, and Trent did a spectacular job of showing James was either engaging in eisegesis to make the text fit his theology, or was just straight up misquoting the text entirely.
@@RenegadeCatholic you are just being dishonest maybe rewatch the video and let go of your catholic biases
@legomon that debate is what got me started on my journey to convert to Catholicism, so I'm not being biased at all. Trent won the debate, and it honestly wasn't even close.
I'm not Catholic, but I have been living in the idea of a frail salvation. I intend from now on to live in the finished work of Christ. I need to embrace it, and live in His covering and live in certainty of His work. I'm just stunned at the revelation this video has had on me ❤️❤️❤️
That's God showing you His love for you!! If you truly believe in Jesus, and what He did, then you are saved! Period! Praise God!!
That’s beautiful! Praise God! Jesus is ALL. I suggest finding a biblical reformed church to attend.
@@ephemeralenhancement9445faith without works is dead. Please don’t let these ppl sway you…..you cannot say you are saved and show no fruit.
@@danielletracyann works are the FRUIT of salvation, not the cause lest you boast.
You cannot steal God’s glory from Him by boasting of your works. Your righteousness is as filthy rags to God.
@@mooreoftammie spoken like a true Calvinist. Works and Faith go hand in hand. Faith without works is dead. You cannot claim to have Faith without works. Why do works bother you ppl so badly? Obviously we aren’t saved by good works but by the grace of God, He didn’t have to but He chose to offer us salvation period. So all glory is to Him alone. It’s not really rocket science. To claim you have Faith and live like the devil well that would just be a lie wouldn’t it? We are to die to ourselves daily. Faith and works go hand in hand period.
This kind of guy is what made me look at Catholicism and become a Catholic. May he find the Church Jesus founded and it was not 1500-2000 years after Christ rose.
The Church is a constant changing body that needs constant reforming, time does not prove anything, it simply proves that rulers could use a faith to control and lead nations for many years, you simply refuse to accept a reform because you love tradition and history more than the Bible and God. The Roman Church had many great people, who are surely saved, but the reformation strived to make the church closer to God, not make a whole different thing. Your issue is that instead of accepting the reformation was to take attention and power of governments, traditions, people, and objects and put it to Christ, you choose to say that we have made a whole different thing altogether. I'm trying to say that the protestant church is not a 1500-2000-year newer church, but a revision to bring us back to what it truly was.
Good morning Jo,
You do understand the FULL history of the Roman Catholic church right? It was founded by Constantine, not Peter, like they would have you believe. This whole "one true church" stuff is elitist gate-keeping shenanigans and needs to stop.
You also don't seem to understand the reformation either. Because: my first point. The reformers wanted that original church back (the one Jesus ACTUALLY established), not the indulgence-selling, salvation racketeering, heretic burning, grave robbing (look up Jan Hus and John Wycliffe) and idol worshipping monster it had grown into.
Why do you focus on Catholicism and not Christ?
The first believers were not Catholics, they were Jews who decided to follow Jesus and his teachings. The CC didn't begin until over 300 years later.
@@EarlofBusterbrook the Reformation had nothing to do with getting closer to God, it was about men who wanted to make God in their image. Thats why the Reformation founders created the false doctrine of Sola Scriptura so that the lessons of the first Christians would be lost in time and corrupt men like Luther could make up a new Christianity.
You refuse to accept the God given to us by the Apostles and instead you want one created 1500-2000 years later by men who wanted to be Gods themselves.
@@RS54321 nothing is as funny and sad as a protester believer who tell us the first Christians where not Catholic but believe their church sect with no connection to God for 1500-2000 years later, knows who the first Christians where and they were not Catholic.
Thats why I started looking at the Catholic Church because of silly statements by Protestants.
And no the KJB from the 17th century was not the first Bible, just to let you know.
Matthew 24:12-13 “Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Incorrect! That’s why Hebrews 10:26 - 27 says, “If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment.”
@@chrisgagnon5768 So you don't agree with scripture?
@@chrisgagnon5768 What is implied by the phrase "knowledge of the truth.." ? Do you mean having faith gives us a license to sin? What are you saying? please elaborate.
"I will go peaceably and firmly to the Catholic Church: for if Faith is so important to our salvation, I will seek it where true Faith first began, seek it among those who received it from God Himself." ~ Elizabeth Ann Seton
Not at all accurate, my lady.
God's revelation, His perfect Word, was given & transmitted thru Abraham / Moses / David all the Patriarchs & Prophets
w/o being the possession of ANY man, or group of men.
This statement is one who has given to a group of error prone men, that which belongs to our Triparte God, Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
Dr White here reveals the "fake news" of the RCC = offering a Salvation that is INCOMPLETE / of unknown effectiveness.
Flee to Jesus my Brethren, and find rest for your Souls !
What a shameful lie.church doesn't mean religion.church means 2 or more believers meet in a house or wherever to talk about God and their faith.
The Catholic church was created hundreds of years after Jesus left.they were already infiltrated by Satan and the great schism happened when they separated into Catholics and Orthodox.
Both of these religions openly exercise idolatry since the beginning because they never rebuked paganism,they (Constantine) simply called themselves christians.
Plus the statement is totally false because if true,that would mean that from the time Jesus came until the catholic religion was formed there were no believers in Jesus and that is simply not true.
Repent,come out of her (Catholic religion) and be born again in Jesus name.
Yah bless.
Elizabeth who?
@@NolongeraslaveElizabeth the Deluded and Historically Ignorant
Except faith didn't "first began" in the Roman Catholic church.
Faith "first began" in the NT with a bunch of half-illiterate nobodies, preaching Christ crucified & the power of His Resurrection. The RC has zero authority underpinning its bizarre, elaborate system of faith + works, priestcraft & un-Biblical doctrines.
I wasn’t sure Catholics actually believed this until I was watching Catholic Answers a few years back. The caller said he was worried that he might end up committing a mortal sin in the future, and was afraid if he didn’t get to a Catholic priest in time to have the sin forgiven (aka being hit by a car shortly after committing the sin), he would lose his salvation and go to hell even though he lived a faithful Christian life. Catholic Answers spent 5 minutes trying to come up with a response which finally boiled down to, yes, if you commit a mortal sin (which includes idolatry, tempting God, using God’s name in vain, not going to mass on Sundays, ingratitude, infulfillment of obligations of responsibilities towards your children or parents, adultery, stealing, using money selfishly, envy ect…) and don’t confess it to a Catholic Priest before you die, you would lose your salvation. 🤯
A prominent Catholic website states, “A person who dies in mortal sin cannot enter the kingdom of heaven and is doomed to eternal suffering in hell.”
I’m so thankful that is not the case, and that my salvation is secure because of my faith in Christ, not my own goodness.
I was brought up as a kid in Roman Catholicism and then taken by our mother into Mormonism. Talk about a double whammy!
Many years later, I left Mormonism and spent many years in more of an agnostic state of mind until not too long ago, when my brother and I got a place together, ordered Bibles and started to really read and study the word of God.
Since then I have found a great Bible teaching / preaching church (really good Baptist church) and looking back, I can see and feel a huge difference in my life.
I know we are all sinners and in need of our Lord Jesus Christ, and just so thankful that my eyes were truly opened to His word, His truth, and now I can share that love and truth with others.
You can't sin and expect to have no consequences for it, just because you "have faith in God". Sin is terrible beyond what we can even imagine, there are consequences to it, thats why you can lose your salvation, even if you make a claim to having Faith.
@@androidaw7927consequences ≠ condemnation.
@@androidaw7927 No one is saying unrepentant sinners go to heaven based on grace. What the point was was that the church as he stated and I believe too makes many believe that they do not have salvation at any moment if they are not as perfect as they can be at all times if that was the case then we might as go back to the law. They live a fearful life waiting to get smote for committing a sin knowingly or unknowingly. A person with salvation and the Holy Spirit will feel the conviction of the sin and ask Christ for forgiveness. The beauty of salvation and being born again is as the armor of God states “the helmet of salvation” I take that as I have a new mind with new thoughts that are not geared as much to go and sin as I used to please. It’s not an instant reversal of all bad habits, sanctification is an ongoing process. Catholics have to realize that just because we are not catholic does not mean we are not saved nor do not understand the word of God, we love and desire to obey the commands of Jesus as much as the next. I feel that the RCC makes it about the rules of getting salvation instead of making Jesus the lord of your life. It feels like they have put so many barriers and steps that it’s just legalism again.
You're ignorant of the Bible and Church history if you believe OSAS
Catholics do believe in the completed act of salvation by Jesus Christ on the cross, btw.
Most Catholics have no clue what they "believe."
Once and for all. I find it amusing when Protestants quote that to us with such fervor as if we disagreed with it
Christ's sacrifice IS a finished work. It is just not limited to a particular time and space. Just as Christ can be fully present to all believers, so can His sacrifice.
This is a horrible misrepresentation and misunderstanding of Catholicism in its entirety.
They always argue or evade the truth even if they knew very well or else he will become Catholic.
Instead of saying it's misrepresentation, why don't you expand on what the issues are
Ths reason he says "I hope to be" is not because there is "no finished work" but because he is mindful of jot being presumptuous, as St. Paul warns, "lest he, thinking he stands, should fall". - Good work beating another straman James.
We still need to trust God that he able to make us stand and to lead and guide us into all truth. It does seem that Catholics live in a more insecure state. There's always balance to be found in the scriptures. I don't take my salvation for granted, but it's also not good to be constantly fearful of one wrong move that could undo it all. That would be Satan getting in there w/ scrupulousity.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 scrupulously is definitely a thing, and one against which the Catholic Church does not neglect to warn. But to equate the Catholic faith with scrupulously is plainly uninformed and mistaken.
@@Proclivitytolife I don't think I equated only the RCC w/ scrupulousity. It can exist w/ any Christian, in whatever denomination. I wonder if the Orthodox are not the most prone to it. I've seen it w/ protestants too. There this false caricature of all protestants not believing in works, and that we all believe once saved, always saved, even in total absence of works, and this is false. It does seem w/ the sacramental system, w/ purgatory, w/ indulgences, that Catholics tend to be more prone to it though. And very few Catholics are sure of their salvation. Which I think is a shame. Not shameful to Catholics themselves, who fervently believe and love God, just a shame that such fervent believers that love God would feel so insecure about the surety of their salvation. It can be a big reason why former Catholics convert out. They don't convert to a lax belief, but they convert to a more blessed assurance. It goes back and forth though. If a protestant wants to become Catholic and feels closer to God, then great.
@saintejeannedarc9460 From what I understand of the Catholic faith, that isn't exactly true. Consciousness of one's own shortcomings and walking with a healthy fear of the Lord =/= anxiety about your salvation. They don't fear that "one wrong move" will undo it all
The Calvinist religion is crack up aye. Good thing the Apostles never taught it lol
1st Corinthians 9:27, “but I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others be disqualified.”
He is talking about not taking advantage of his rights as an Apostle so that the gospel may not be hindered 1 Corinthians 10 adds further context that those who are in Christ should not use their freedom to indulge their flesh. 9:27 is not about works salvation.
Fake translation. Read the KJV for the true meaning.
@@drbkjv the Authorized Version is good but it is perfectly legitimate to read other translations. The problem isn’t Bible version but context and application.
@@drbkjvThe preface to the KJV literally says other translations are profitable
@@yellowcoat970 agreed. When they say what the manuscript says.
Sounds more like an answer of transparent humility rather than believing in an unfinished work.
Help me understand how a Calvinist is pointing out that Catholics don't know if they are the blessed man when Calvinists believe that someone can fully be convinced they are a Christian only to find out that God only gave them faith for a time but not for salvation? They cannot say that someone is loved by God or forgiven.
it's all imaginary? that would explain everything.
Calvinists don’t believe you can “lose” faith that’s Arminians.
That’s not an accurate representation of what Calvinists believes. This what a Calvinists believes- the Bible:
“Jesus replied, “This is the work of God - that you believe in the one he has sent.”
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 6:29, 44 CSB
“They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.”
1 John 2:19 CSB
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine!
Oh, what a foretaste of glory divine!
Heir of salvation, purchase of God
Born of his Spirit, washed in His blood
People can fall away just as you can be grafted in you can be cut out.
Everytime the Holy Eucharist is celebrated, we Catholics enter into that One Perfect Moment of Sacrifice completed in Calvary. And we live in that moment as if we were really there. Unlike protestants who simply "remember" and no actual miracle is done in their "last supper."
Except here, he does not understand the nature of the mystery within the mass.
Which is what?
@CassandraJay the mystery is how fast can a priest actual perform mass. Just kidding... sorta
Sorry, you need an hour-long ritual/ceremony and symbols to be saved?
@@JuandelaCruz001 no one said any of that
Truth be told, none of us full understand the nature of the mystery of Christ's body in communion. We can claim to, but it's best to stay humble and know that one day all will be revealed fully.
We preach Christ Crucified at my Parish. That’s why we have a crucifix. To remind us of that sacrifice for all creation.
this white bearded man lacks wisdom. protestants rail against God all the time.
He has a misunderstanding. The church has ALWAYS declared that the sacrifice if finished. He has a basic misunderstanding.
When I first began examining religious belief White seemed impressive with his knowledge of scripture and often quoting Greek. I eventually learned what a facade it was. He leads so many people astray
A giant protestant misconception of catholicism. The Eucharist is not a new sacrifice. It is not Jesus being sacrificed again. Communion is us taking part in the SAME sacrifice. Not a NEW sacrifice. To experience and have the true presence of Christ in this form he gave in the last supper.
What I still have trouble understanding: is the Mass propitiatory in nature?
If so, how is this not a “new sacrifice”, in an unbloody manner?
If sins are atoned for by Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross, “Once”, then what sins are in need of continued atonement through the RE-presentation of the “once” sacrifice, in a repeated nature (the Mass)?
I hope I’m articulating this in an understandable way.
Can you help me better understand the RC position here?
@fellow_servant_jamesk8303 I wouldn't use the word "propitiatory." The Eucharist does not mean we have lost God's favor and that now taking part in communion it makes us regain His favor. Yet it does in fact still help purify us when it comes to sin. As it says in 1 John chapter 5 there is sin that causes death and sin that doesn't. To simplify this we call it Mortal and Venial sin. If you are living in a state of repentance away from Mortal sin then it is still greatly recommended to take part in the Eucharist because as a human you still take part in venial sin and venial sin even though it does not cause death it still causes damage to us. The sacrament of the Eucharist works to purify us from such sin. And if you cannot eat of the Eucharist, spending time in the presence of Jesus in such a state will still help you. We call that adoration.
@@TheRealCSD6 thanks for taking time to answer that
@@TheRealCSD6The removal of venial sin would necessitate propitiation
GOD says keep the Sabbath holy.
POPE says keep Sunday holy.
☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??
What is Calvinism missing? That Christ died for EVERYONE not just SOME.
Your wrong friend because Jesus didn’t die for everyone. Most of mankind rejects Jesus’s death on the cross,(which he’s still on read 1Peter4:11-15,and Colossians1:24),so he didn’t die for everyone. Only Catholic’s go to Heaven because there’s NO division in paradise. James White is very arrogant and a servant of satan. The Bible is a Catholic book. Only Jesus can found a Church. And you don’t get eternal life from eating a piece of bread or wafer now do you??
This foolish argument literally makes a mockery (among many things) of God’s omniscience. Don’t discard omniscience for un-biblical sentimentalities.
@@Biblecia For God so loved a specific group of people he gave his only begotten son
@@KaiGallagher7I could make opposing views appear as ridiculous with the same foolish trash talk.
@@BibleciaRepent of your heresy and join the Catholic faith.
John 12:32 “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw *all* people to myself.”
1 Timothy 2:4 “who desires *all* people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 4:10 “For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of *all* people, especially of those who believe.”
1 Corinthians 15:22 “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall *all* be made alive.”
Revelation 22:14 (KJV): Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Says the Calvinist, who believes in predestination. How can you be certain you’re saved? “Faith without works, is dead.”
Nothing to do with justification before God
You got that exactly WRONG- always shocking to here misinformation spread about Catholicism, instead of preaching lies about another faith- why do you not just preach what is so great about your faith.
Explain to me why it is wrong.
Because exposing falsehoods and preaching truth are important.
@@RS54321 that be good if you were actually speaking truth, but clearly that is not what you are interested in doing.
@KMC597 Your assumptions and accusations about me, who you don't know, don't support your argument.
@@RS54321 not assumptions- you claim to be speaking truth.... when you clearly have not educated yourself on the facts. If you were interested in seeking truth, you would at least ask for where to find it. So many denominations want to spew falsehoods rather than teach what it is they actually believe... we see this everywhere. Not enough to accuse and claim ‘falsehood’ - where are you getting your information?
"Can you expect to go to heaven for nothing? Did not our Savior track the whole way to it with His tears and blood? And yet you stop at every little pain." ~ Elizabeth Ann Seton
I don’t understand. We finish the work when we die and get to heaven. I don’t understand the argument at all. Praying for you all
there is no heaven, upside, no hell either. don't waste your time on god, he doesn't exist.
@@HarryNicNicholasno one cares what you think 😊
@@HarryNicNicholas Psalm 14 "The fool said in his heart there is no God."
What does the work involve?
@@HarryNicNicholassays the person with apparently God-like omniscience to know there is no god 😂
Then what do you say about " abide in me or you will be cut off? " There are a lot of if's....our choice to continue on faith or leave
Where it say that?
I agree with James that the CC doesn’t answer wether someone is saved definitively. The kicker is neither does he, for example if you give him a scenario where a blessed man like him commits a mortal sin at the end of there life and is unrepentant, he doesn’t claim that person is still saved rather he says that the blessed man in the scenario was never saved to begin with.
Same thing just different way of putting it😅
Yeah, maybe I'm missing something, but I see the Perseverance of the Saints as a very obvious No True Scotsman fallacy, where you say that a true Christian can't lose his Salvation, but what constitutes a "true Christian" has its requirements and if you don't follow them then you were never a true Christian to begin with. So in the end we're talking about the same thing, you also have to be a certain way in a Calvinist church to be able to claim that you're saved.
it's mythology, you still bekieve in the santa daddy in the sky??
@@HarryNicNicholaswhy are you spending so much energy and time in something that doesn't exist?
God is working in your heart, it's just your pride standing in your way.
Eventually you will start reading the bible, repent and be born again.
Yah bless.
p.s.:God is not a person/human He is the creator of all.once you change your perception you will see clearer.
There are no mortal sins. Your understanding of what Protestants believe is c incorrect op. We don't believe you go to hell of the last thing you do before you die is commit a sin
@@cosmictreason2242 I think the problem is that people believe in 40000 different denominations and still believe they are following Jesus.
Religion/denominations/christians is not biblical.
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ
Do you guys have any noteworthy debates with Catholic apologists? I'd be interested in watching those
James White has a ton. Just search for them.
They are called great debates.
@@conncul1815yes and he got schooled in each one
The one with him and Trent Horn is why I became Catholic.
@@devonkamplain6221 that's quite rhe endorsement! I will check that one out
The only works required in the Orthodox Church is that you a) deny yourself; b) take up your cross and c) follow Him.
Glad to see how many Catholics understand the truth in the comments here. Hopefully this helps to stop James White and others from leading others astray.
The sacrifice is complete and re-presented. All things are possible for God irrespective of TIME, but not for Dr White.
Lord Jesus set up only ONE, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. All else is schism or heresy, Dr White.
COME BACK TO THE TRUE CHURCH OF LORD JESUS CHRIST.
I love these people who e-nun-ci-ate every syllable because they think that every word out of their mouth is so im-por-tant!
The blessed man of Romans 4 is the one who repents of his sins, has faith in Jesus, is baptized and perseveres to the end. The “perseveres to the end” part is why “I hope to be” is the right answer, unless you know the future.
Bring it, brother!!
In Calvinism there is no certainty either! No Calvinist knows if he will preserve unto the end. So Calvinist hope to be the Romans 4 man!
False. The saved Calvinist has assurance of salvation and knows they are saved. You could just as easily take your argument the other way and say some non-Calvinists don't have assurance of salvation because they don't acknowledge the doctrine of Perseverence of the Saints, i.e. "once saved, always saved."
@@haydnenthusiastexcept that if a self proclaimed Calvinist leaves the faith well, "He was never really saved to begin with". How do you know that wont be you? You cant know that. Therefore you dont have assurance either. You HOPE that what you feel is true and that youll never depart from the faith. No one ever becomes a calvinist thinking they're going to leave the faith but it happens...
@@haydnenthusiast -False! & False! Watch James White's debate with Michael Brown when he was asked do you know that you will persevere, the answer was No. You don't know. You hope you will but many have served the Lord up to the end and then walked away from the faith. Were they the "elect"?
@@wifemommamakExcept that Judas walked with Jesus for 3 years and did not believe, yet he was one of the 12 called by Jesus Himself. But then then the Lord while talking to His Father said that of all those you gave me, I lost none!!! Except the one who was meant to be lost...
we can have assurance, because when we come to Christ, the Holy Spirit comes begins to dwell inside. When that happens, we are drastically transformed, we’re not perfect, but changed. We can look at our lives, and tell that we naturally have the desire. To repent, to read his word, to love our fellow brothers in Christ.. We will see the fruits of the spirit, such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, self-control.
By "it is finished" after Jesus took the sour wine on the cross, he meant what he had started on Good Thursday was utterly completed at that last moment, that is the Passover living sacrifice of himself to atone for sins. At the Passover meal/Last Supper Jesus did not drink the cup of blessing for after the meal they sang a couple of hymns and then set out for the garden of Gethsamani. Even the elect have to work out their salvation with fear and trembling for God is at work in them to will and to do for his good pleasure.
Man, you Catholics really twist EVERYTHING lol. “It is finished” in the Greek is the word tetelestai, and that word means “paid in full”. The debt is paid in full. And before this, he lived a perfect life. Roman’s 10:4 says he is the culmination of the law, for righteousness for everyone who believes. Meaning his perfection/righteousness from the obedience he lived is imputed to everyone who places their complete trust in Christ. And the death burial and resurrection washes away their every sin. That’s why it just takes faith. The Man (God) did everything when he walked this earth.
This is what Catholics are preaching essentially; that a bill of a million dollars owed to God was paid by God himself fully, leaving our balance at 0, but we still have to make payments to him as if we are paying that bill off. That’s called a contradiction my friend. Meaning you don’t believe Jesus saves, because you’re adding to what he did.
I’m honestly convinced that you guys are controlled hard in your minds by satan and his angels because such a simple thing is so hard for you to understand.
@@TimeWillTell651 Faith is to be sure of what is hoped for. Nobody doubts that Jesus paid the debt in full and that we ae saved by grace through faith but remember that the demons also believe but do not obey God.
ok first of all, demons don’t seek Christ for salvation. Salvation is offered to humans. So the believing that’s mentioned in James is not about salvation, demons believe that Jesus is God. That’s all it says. It says nothing about demons believing in Jesus for the forgiveness of sins. Believing Jesus is God and believing IN Jesus for your salvation are two different things. 2. Believe means to place your complete trust in Jesus. Look up the Greek definition of believe when mentioned in scripture about believing in Jesus. It’s not believing in his existence or having an empty faith in him. It’s a complete trust placed upon him after you’ve encountered him and been convicted of your sin and presented the gospel afterward. 3. You’re ignoring what I said about Christ imputing everything to you and thus you not needing anything. Like I said, you don’t understand something so simple and that convinces me that your mind is being heavily influenced by fallen angels. Because you and other Catholics come off as disturbed in their thinking. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. Heck even my own catholic mother had this problem when I spoke the gospel and explained it to her. She argued as if I spoke another language to her and this was years ago. Now she’s slowly waking up and realizing that the Catholic Church is a demonic church and a lie.
@@TimeWillTell651 Gd's grace is free but not cheap. You have the truth but not the full truth of the gospel. You, people believe that salvation is offered to you on a gold platter and God is a sugar daddy. Jesus said to take up your cross and follow him. You want the glory without the cross. If you die with Christ, then you will live with him. Before judgment day has come you've judged yourself as already perfect. Judgment is solely God's prerogative. The bible says that you must be worthy of the kingdom of God for nothing unclean can enter heaven and each time you sin, which you still do badly, you are disobeying and failing God badly. If your theology is right, then you have to wipe off half of the bible. The WAGES of SIN is DEATH. Pray as if it all depends on God and work as if it all depends on you. (St Augustus, an early church father)
So good 💯
How are you justified by faith if you are JUDGED by your WORKS? 🤔
2 different kinds of judging. A judge in a court room can only mete out punishment. A judge at the Olympics can only give rewards. That is why there are 2 judgements in Revelation, one to separate "sheep and goats" and one to honor those who served the Lord faithfully.
@@siarnaq5625 So what you're saying is that because you BELIEVE IN THE LORD YOU WON'T BE JUDGED. "For there is NO condemnation for those that are in Christ?" Am I right?
don't worry, bear in mind hell is just a scam to force you to sign up
@@HarryNicNicholashow do you know this to be true? Have you died and come back to reveal this? By what standard is your word believable?
Because justification of soul and judgement of works are two very different things… the thief on the cross being a brilliant example, likely didn’t receive the same amount of reward that John the Baptist did. Both are in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Jehovah witnesses are like that and also Muslims are like that, they don’t know if they’ll be saved or not on judgment day. They rely on their own works to hopefully meet God’s approval, but God’s standard is perfection and only Jesus was able to meet that standard.
And so do the Mormons and the SDA and adding the Indian religion oh yea Hindu! You know why I’m a Christian cause I study religion? There is no freedom in any of them but in Jesus Christ!
Exactly ✝️🕊️
You can still try to be perfect. We are commanded by Jesus to be perfect, so it should make sense that we need to pay attention to what we DO, in order to be saved.
@@androidaw7927 all the trying in the world to be perfect but you will never ever be perfect, only Christ ✝️👀
@@androidaw7927where are we commanded by Christ to be perfect? If it was possible for a human to be perfect then we would not need Christ, the Bible says that our good deeds are like dirty rags to God, our good deeds are not so that we have salvation, they are because we have salvation, it’s out of gratitude that we strive to do what is right.
James white turned me Catholic.
The fact is that the finished work of Christ is applied to us through the sacraments.
If James were to follow his own logic, he would have to say that once someone repented of their sin, they no longer need to ask for sins they commit.
If its a finished work, why is there purgatory?
That's why the dying thief was with Christ in Paradise immediately upon his death because Jesus Christ completed the atonement needed for his salvation. It was indeed FINISHED! 🙏😇
James White, not Jesus, turned you Catholic?
Amen very good video.
The problem is that there is nothing in scripture that has my name on it identifying me as elect. Therefore, my election in Christ is not something I can know by the faith that illuminates my mind with the doctrines of divine revelation. If I could be certain of my election, then it would be public revelation. In that case, I could also be certain of my neighbor’s damnation.
That Christ is the savior is an object of faith. That my soul will be saved is an object of hope. Hope as a virtue stands between presumption, a.k.a. certainty, on the one hand, and despair on the other. Otherwise, there is no role for hope to play in the Christian life and yet we know that the theological virtue of hope is an apostolic teaching.
“How to be Christian” has demolished this guys arguments in many ways. Kick rocks White
Great, james white the Calvinist
I don't listen to heretics!
Yes, Catholics and Calvinist are both in error
@@evangelist6277 Protestants have been in error for 500 years and can't even agree with each other 😂
@@Compulsive-Elk7103
Well one thing we all agree on including the Catholics the important thing. Jesus is the savior 😁👍
@@karlhowe5181 Catholics worship Mary more than Christ
@@karlhowe5181 amen
Christ is king!
Glory to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️❤️
It's done, and we live perpetually in the Lord's sabbath. Praise be to God!
Why do you worship your own ideas about salvation?
Catholics just love and trust Jesus. We don’t do it for assurance of anything.
Yes Catholics have hope, Protestants have presumption
He obviously doesn't understand the mass at all.
Never won a debate against catholic Apologists
Check out Christian vs protestant with James white. He gets schooled like usual.
❤️❤️❤️❤️🥰Amen Beautiful Brother. 🎯Nice shots😉🔥🙌☝🏻🌞🤗
Each of us take up a cross and follow Him, that is His ruling, you don't have a say...
i don't care, jesus didn't actually write anything so anyone !quoting jesus" is making crap up.
@@HarryNicNicholas Your belief is your problem. What do I have to do with you.
@@HarryNicNicholasJesus is a historical figure confirmed just as all other historical figures like Alexander the great, Nero,etc.
Your lack of knowledge is very telling,better sit this one out buddy.
@@angelicalee6 what is the nature of the cross you are supposed to pick up and carry?
@@HarryNicNicholasJESUS (GOD ) wrote the ENTIRE BIBLE. DUMMY
Lot of RC fans in the comments but no actual defense lol.
Some the comments are mindblowingly dumb.
There’s no defense of Protestant doctrines, which weren’t believed by Christians for 1500 years of Christian history.
GOD says keep the Sabbath holy.
POPE says keep Sunday holy.
☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??
I guess they just take the passages about losing one's salvation seriously, like in Hebrews, 2 Pet, Matthew, etc.
The more I research the early church the more Catholic I become
I wish this clip would get over to pints with aquantice. So he could hear and process this.
Was thinking this too. He said the thing he struggled with most was mass and Marian dogmas. But he then said his friend introduced him to something Iraneus (I think) wrote about how if a Christian does not believe the supper is Christ’s flesh and blood, that they are not true Christians. I have not read the quote, but it seems to me like it could very well be understood symbolically as Christ said it was during the last supper (this is my body and my blood). But we know the disciples were not consuming Christ’s actual flesh at that supper, for Christ did not yet get crucified. So yeah, how anyone can believe Roman Catholic tradition like this is just wild to me. He also said we are all participants in redemption, like we are all co-redeemers. I’m like dude, stick to archeology 😂
@dogescout5868 yeah I never understood that either. Like it's pretty straightforward when it comes to Passover and during that time that everything was symbolic. I don't understand the Catholic tradition when they think that Christ literally comes down into the sacrament and the wafer becomes his body and the wind becomes his blood. I believe that the Jews during that time for very hyper symbolic speech. So I think that's hard to translate over to physical communion.
@@GetMooreProductionsThen why does the Bible make a point about how many people thought that notion was preposterous and many left Jesus then and there because of it, because it was a hard teaching and they couldn't accept it. If it was symbolic I think Jesus would have said so instead of watching people leave his side in error, or at least the Bible wouldn't even mention that anecdote if it isn't an important teaching.
@@dogescout5868 i don't get this "struggle" bullcrap, isn't god right there by your side, this personal god 24 / 7 why not just ask god, why do you even need a priest?
cos you know it's BS and you just play the silly game.
i've been atheist all my 69 years, never needed a book "how to be a better atheist" i never had a moments "struggle" with you SILLY superstitious, barbaric and voodoo religion, i've always KNOWN it's bollocks.
@@GetMooreProductions no one understands religion, good thing though, just make up your own, form your own denomination, it's all fantasy anyway.
Amen!
Yabadabadoo
I feel like people don't understand what he's getting at here. When he says catholics "don't teach that Jesus finished his work" what he's essentially saying is that catholics don't believe Jesus paid for all our sins therefore the catholic church affirms works for salvation. Whereas, protestants "believe he finished his work on the cross" in that we do not affirm works for salvation because we believe Jesus paid for all our sins, past, present, and future.
Here’s is the problem, the entire early church pre nicea believed in a literal physical presence. That’s why you loose these argument is church history is just universally against you almost down to the person that’s the issue. Now rome has added a lot of weird accretions to the Eucharist. But form Ignatius down to Justin martyr to ireaneus and so on, they all are undeniably confessing a physical presence. Now Paul says it’s not a representation of the sacrifice but it’s is a participation in the sacrifice in 1st Corinthians 10:16 just like in Roman’s 6 baptism is a participation into Christ death.
Some Catholics may become OCD about Christ's saving work but that's not the point of the continual ritual of redemption, it is to bring our nature into his grace willingly and consciously instead of being flacid and overly contented with spiritual concepts, Christ said his body and blood should be consumed, for a good effect, why take something away from us that Christ gave?
Just love Dr White!!
False teacher
@@CoolioMoDee nope. To the Bible believers and followers of Christ. His gospel leads to hell.
@@CoolioMoDee Calvinism is a cult. It takes away all the commandments of God and teaches god created men to be damned to hell. Run!
@@orangemanbad If you are a catholic or orthodox, you are not a bible believer. You believe more in traditions of men, catechism, ghosts/apparitions, mystics, visionaries etc
@@wesleysimelane3423 You are bearing false witness.
Can calvinists ever know that they were predestined for salvation? Or do they only they were predestined because they’re Calvinist’s? What about the Catholic who was predestined? Such an ideology is not from God.
James White would make a great catholic apologist
GOD says keep the Sabbath holy.
POPE says keep Sunday holy.
☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??
It’s a political institution of control run by the author of confusion
Pfftt give me a break
@@jessidiaz1891the Catholic church will be the one to accept the antichrist
Thats what Cromwell said to justify slaughtering Irish Catholics... so much blood behind your statement.
@@jessidiaz1891 prove him wrong!
@@ThethomasJefferson Matthew 16:17-18, " And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock. I will build my church, and the gates of hell. shall not prevail against it."
It must be unsettling to be a RC. The idea that you can lose your salvation is scary. It's such a lack of assurance.
They have to work hard to remain saved. They help Jesus for their salvation. Sad.
A difference in view of salvation. It’s not so much about your salvation but if you will be saved. The orthodox has a similar view. Work out your salvation
all it takes for you to have salvation is faith in Christ, so yeah if you don’t have faith in Christ who bore your sins, it isn’t unsettling or a “lack of assurance” to say that you’re going to hell because of it.
You also don't believe that a person who commits mass murder goes to Heaven, even if he claims he believes in Jesus. You'd simply say that he wasn't ever saved to begin with, while a Catholic would say that he lost his salvation the moment he chose to kill people. What's the difference?
@@hullie7529 Biblical, what verse or verses tells me what sins Jesus sacrifice on the cross does not cover? It sure would have been nice if Christ’s sacrificed was enough to cover all sin. (1 John:1-2). I would say a true Christian would not commit mass murder. My Bible records Jesus’s saying “and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish”(John 10:28). What does your Bible say he said. It must be something different.
the work is finished.
it is applied to ones spirit when you are judged according to your faith ☦️ OR (in the case that you didn’t have faith) according to your works 🔥
That was my issue when I was Catholic, fear. No assurance of salvation, no confidence. Theologically perhaps the church doesn’t believe this, but in effect lack of assurance is the result
Let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Love me some James White
Interesting. Counterpoint: The Catholic Church was founded and maintained by Christ himself.
catholic*
@@malehadsen4772 ?
Peter was not Rome focused nor did he wear a fishy hat.
He DID say..."Silver and gold have I none"
@@loserlemby7273 Jesus founded “the church.” There is no good reason to believe that apostolic authority has been transferred and maintained by the Catholic Church.
@malehadsen4772 Yeah except for 2000 years of history.
GOD says keep the Sabbath holy.
POPE says keep Sunday holy.
☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??
This man is seriously blinded & his understanding is blocked. I see too much pride. We need to pray for him a lot. Say as many rosaries as possible for all people like him. Amen 🙏🏼. I thank God that I am a Catholic ❤❤❤
Its rare to see a man this prideful. It’s nearly impossible to miss
I have listened to a great deal of James White and I don't see that
@@alsteiner7602so have I and I see it. Don't get me wrong I think James White is a good teacher when it comes to church history and exegeting scripture but I think he lets all that knowledge inflate his ego just a tad.
Because he is talking truth? A truth that people like to be ignorant about?
I think you are reading into something that is simply not there. I don't see it.@@VinceOlson96
@@alsteiner7602If it is all what he sees, then you know who has a problem. For years, more than 15 now, whenever these people are commenting on Dr. White videos especially in debates, the first thing they do is to claim that he(White) is prideful. That way the mudden the waters that prevents people from listening to him with open mind ~ especially those that belong to Rome's religion.
White can’t even hear himself. Of course you can’t have certainty of salvation, because judgement is by God, not you, on HOW you responded to God’s free gift of salvation. So you can be given a free gift and if you reject it, the giver, the God who is just and holy as he is loving, will reward you according to your free will.
there is no god, it's a scam.
[1Jo 5:13 ESV] 13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, THAT YOU MAY KNOW that you have eternal life.
@@rlhicks1amen to that brother
It’s so sad to see so many RC that in reality don’t actually believe that Christ died for all there sins nearly 2000 yrs ago . They are still in bondage to their sins . Not believing that The blood of Jesus Christ pay in full their sin debt. But I realize that unless God opens their eyes they will remain in darkness.
Well said!
What protestants get wrong is the faith alone thing. Read the book of James and you will find that faith without works is dead.
Faith produces works…….. look Hebrews 11
@@cole5773 true Indeed. But tell me where in the bible does it say that you are saved through faith alone? There is no mention of Sola scriptura nor Sola Fide in the Bible.
@@svensktempelriddare
I believe this is the main point made by Paul in Romans 3. A few excerpts:
20 “Therefore no one will be declare righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather through the law we become conscious of our sin”
22”This righteousness if given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
25”God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood to be received BY FAITH”
28”For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law”
These verses to me clearly establish Jesus’ atonement as the ultimate and final work. It is our faith in this that brings us salvation. Keen to hear your thoughts.
God bless you
Ephesians 2:8-9. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
9not by works, so that no one can boast.
@@svensktempelriddare “And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.”
Genesis 15:6 NKJV
Abraham never had the law, never had the church, but his faith is what God saw. And his faith bore works read about in later chapters.
Paul describes with the Roman Catholic Church does perfectly in Galatians when speaking about what the Jews were doing to Christianity. They wanted Christ plus works. He rebuked them. He even had to rebuke Peter of all people for the same thing in Galatians 1 and 2. It is finished brothers and sisters!
' It is finished' is reference to the the passover began in upper room...in the blessed sacrament we participate in the eternal offering of jesus before his father for his brothers and sisters...there is no absolute assurance...its a walk...a walk home in our oldest brother in the power of the spirit back to our father ...simple
What kind of finished work do you have Mr. White? Who accomplished all, nobody but Christ. He said on the cross, the image of thousand crosses you saw in the Vatican, “It is finished”. The point is, the Catholic Church is founded by Christ, an apostolic Church, that continues the mission of Christ in build ming the Kingdom of God here in on earth.
I would give this review of Roman Catholicism a solid 1/5 👏🏻
Why because it’s true? 🤔
@@MrCarlosVillasenor Very true!!
Every refutation of a criticism of the RCC goes something like “tell me you dont know about the Catholic Church with out saying you dont any thing about the Catholic Church.” “He just does not understand” “Protestant refuting the church that was literally started by Jesus!” It’s never a real refutation from scripture (and if it is it’s heavily laden with RCC exegesis), But more of an organizational party line.
Heavily
@@AS-bs8xv I’m not a practicing Roman Catholic anymore. I grew up Protestant and became RC in 2009. I can tell you from my experience studying Roman Catholicism and practicing it, and know looking at it objectivity with no skin in the game, James White doesn’t know what he is talking about, and has such an extreme bias that he actually pronounces “doctrines” of the Catholic Church that the church doesn’t actually teach. Like in this video.
So the argument is the Catholic Church is failing at it’s job and the solution is for believers to make their own? The Protestant argument is just as flawed. In fact, that’s the problem when a non-believer looks at a believer. You guys can’t even get your own act together and you’re out preaching to everyone. Looks like we’re all in the same pile until this issue is rooted out. To be honest, there looks to be only 1 answer and that answer is, for sure, not creating your own denomination to believe.
Unable to deal with the points he raises? Sad.
We don’t believe In denominations, denominations believe different which is ok to an extent, Roman’s 14:2, however different gospels are anathema Galatians 1:6-9 and Rome preaches a different gospel than the Bible…….
@@Nolongeraslave uh yeah. 🙄
@@cole5773 I’m not claiming the Catholic Church does it right all the time. But the obviousness that you can’t have 40,000 different faces all claiming differences in what the Lord said. Imagine what that looks like to a non-believe. Pure confusion. As we know. Ours is NOT a God of confusion.
“It is done.”
Was it done at his death or at his resurrection? Because his resurrection was also necessary and that didn’t happen until 3 days later. (1 Peter 1:3) (Romans 4:25)
Christ’s act in redeeming the whole human race and reuniting us with God was complete for our salvation. There is however a verse from Colossians 1:24 that is important to understand: “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church.” As Christ’s body (The Church) our suffering completes the Passion in an external way by conveying its message. This is why the Apostles were martyrs for witnessing to the Gospel and Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection. Our witness and suffering for the sake of Christ’s Body the Church unites Christ’s bride to himself (The Bridegroom).
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling !!!
I just got back from Rome. Sadly, you will see Mary MUCH more in churches and homes. One church in Varenna even has her elevated above Him. Sad.
Christ is King.
Absolutely, it's total Idolatry.
How about this instead: "If you don't have, in the work of the cross, a salvation available to ALL people, intended by Father, Son and Spirit in eternity past, then you have a lack of assurance of salvation, since you have a lack of assurance as to whether you're one of the elect."
Paul said we worship the crucified Christ, not the cross. The cross is a mean if execution, the Crucifix with Jesus on it is The Greatest Love Story Ever Told. There is a big difference between the two.
Just because we reject the erroneous teachings of Calvinism on what the atonement is does not mean we do not have a finished work. There have been plenty of answers already given by others but the blessed man is the person who is in a state of grace. Has total and complete forgiveness and delivery from sins. But we also confess they can reject the grace of Christ and so deny ghe charity at work in them and walk away from Christ. It is also important to point out James white is confusing accomplishment or effect with application of the atonement. Calvinsim assumed in error that those who christ died for will automatically be forgiven. Catholics would say that the application of that mercy and grace is also necessary. Yet man has to cooperate in faith with that. It's not automatic
I just had this conversation with a dear friend of mine who is catholic. They have no assurance of salvation. Where's the hope? What's the point of the Cross? They mix justification and sanctification together.
catholics are one step from organised crime, i don't know how anyone can admit to being part of the abusers club.
It's a works-based religion, just like all the other ones. Thankfully, Jesus made another way for us.
The fact that Jesus's work on the Cross was finished 2,000 years ago, which the Catholic Church acknowledges and always have, does not mean we can have perfect certainty of our own salvation. That's why we say we have hope. That'd be like saying James White shouldn't be talking in this video because if he believed that the sacrifice were finished, there'd be nothing for him to do.
There'd be nothing for James to do? Have you heard of the great commission?
@@RS54321 Exactly. That's why James White is wrong. There are things we're called to do as Christians.
@@bigfootapologetics I think you're twisting his words and missing the whole point. James is saying there's nothing for us to do to earn our salvation. Obviously God has things for us to do on this Earth as followers of Him. But that does not include doing things to earn our salvation.
@@RS54321 That is the point, though. In the same way that you believe we are called to keep the Great Commission, Catholics believe we're called to keep the other things Christ asked us to do. Neither is "doing things to earn our salvation."
So if saying "the work on the cross is finished, we can't earn our salvation" doesn't mean Christians don't have to do things like evangelize others or the work James White does, it also doesn't mean that we don't have to follow the commands Catholics keep.
@@bigfootapologetics What other things that Christ asked us to do are you referring to?
And how much more is his ministry
How do Calvinists then explain evil among their ranks? If they say 'well we don't know who the elect will be', how is that different to a Catholic saying they 'hope' to be a saint?