SHED SEVEN Top The Charts! Is UK Music Changing?
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- čas přidán 13. 01. 2024
- This week we saw two massive indie rock outfits top the charts in the UK. Join me to look at how culture is shifting and how this could impact the British rock and roll scene.
Is the revolution already underway?
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So the next chapter in rebellious youth culture is being led by Ricky Gervais (aged 62), Dave Chappelle (aged 50), John Squire (aged 61), Liam Gallagher (aged 51), and Rick Witter (aged 51).
I believe this is what’s known as wishful thinking.
Yeah it would be more convincing if it was a bunch of new young people on the scene, like he says at the end we need a “next generation” to come through, until then the jury is out
The new Liam Gallagher and John Squire single actually charted at #16 on the main U.K. Singles Chart. When measuring the full success of a single release, that’s the chart that counts. Still, #16 is bloody good, considering.
i recommend me and my pals! we all write our own songs and are working hard to make a name for ourselves. i have a good feeling about this year, and seeing decent music topping the charts is inspiring. long may it continue. we've been watching this channel for a while and love the stories of oasis, the las and the verve to name a few :D
The argument that physical sales are more representative is so stupid, bro. With all due respect, are people really listening to this new Shed 7 album? No, they are not. Being no 1 based almost exclusively on physical sales shows only that they have a fanbase willing to buy their music in the era of streaming. The number is very low also, they only sold 18k, and only around 400 of album equivalent units are from streaming - which means people are not really listening. It's great for their stats, but it does not mean the masses are listening to this type of music again.
I don't really know what you're talking about here James, due to the way albums charts are compiled, there's a new number 1 every week and rock bands regularly top it as streaming is weighted very little there and far more people buy physical albums than physical singles. On the physical singles charts, Just Another Rainbow is like Liam's 5th or 6th number one and in streaming the song did very poorly. When bands like Shed Seven or the gallaghers start to do well on the UK Singles Charts, that's a sign of change until then, this is the same as always. And as for what you said about the Main albums and Singles charts, I disagree, since so little music is bought, Streaming is how you actually determine what is popular, and as a matter of fact Sales are already weighted extremely heavily when compared with streams. This is shown by how Lewis Capaldi got his song Pointless to number 1 for a single week last year off the back of a CD push and then the single crashed right back out the top 10, the following week.
Yeah i dont see any relevant change either. Its a minor victory for the band, but it will fade very quickly and most fans only seem to be interested in the nostalgia of these bands.....but this video offers an 'angle' on potential change that's all i see - i think there's little substance to be found? We shall see eh?
Completely agree, the only charts that represent the the listening habits of a population or actually mean anything at all are the Spotify daily and weekly charts
I'm Australian and after watching this vid did some digging on Shed Seven. I'd sadly never heard of them until now. And I am blown away by them. Have listened to a bunch of banging tunes last night by them and now hooked. They have a great back catalogue and the new stuff is great, like Kissing California. Brilliant band and I am so happy for them for their current success. They bloody well deserve it.
Great video!! Thanks a lot, James!!
Kula Shaker are next, get it preordered, 2nd Feb 👌🏻
Loved the album, also looking forward to listening to the new Cast album as well, it’s also sounding like one of their best works!
The Rolling People from Stockport are a must listen. Great tunes and a great sound. Worth checking out
Yes aye
rock n roll is always thriving...doesnt matter if its on the outside or in the mainstream.
I think there will be an indie revival very soon.
There will be a new band or group of bands with aggressive but danceable rhythm (think Kasabian at their best), cool attitude and classic melodic sing along tunes. There will be identifiable clothing that is stylish but no brands.
I'm imagining the next music revolution will begin with a young good looking band who become popular on the festival scene.
There's very few indie nightclubs now but a massive audience for festivals which is the opposite of the late 80s early 90s
I mean this has already happened several times over
@@Ryan-br6np When was the last time it happened?
It'll NEVER happen the same way again. Music just isn't viable.. I've seen bands today that would have easily made it in the 80s getting absolutely nowhere.
Met them in head records in leamington the other day, what a band 🎉
First lol. I think there is a movement of people my age still checking for bands from back when and those bands still making decent albums. Let's hope it carries on
The new movement britpop 2.0 😂 also you should probably mention sprints charting, pretty big that
Great video I've been thinking this for a while
It should be noted that streaming counts towards the chart-placing. Does anyone know how many streams equate to one sale unit? It has totally changed things, though. If you look at the album chart, you’ll notice ABBA Gold, etc. It’s there - nearly constantly - through folk streaming individual tracks from it.
On singles the ratio is 1:100 for paid streaming like Apple music and 400:1 with Ad funded streaming. With albums that number is 1000:1 and 4000:1 respectively but with some additional weighting rules to cut that down if only one or two songs are getting most of the streams
Future indie rock bands, THE KICK, the reytons, the rolling people, the skinner brothers, pastel, I call this the revival era.
Don't Forget Rizla Hill And Shambolics Too Ofc ❤❤x
I also agree that there seems to be a revival of guitar based bands. I think leading the charge of the 'mainstream' bands like Green Day, Rolling Stones, Mike Shinoda, Greta Van Fleet etc all have new stuff out and it's doing well. As for new bands check out Bad Nerves they are a UK based punk band.
Absolutely! I'd add the South Park Disney parody to that list. Great channel by the way.
There have been British indie rock albums at the top end of the charts for a couple of years now (e.g. Inhaler, Sam Fender, Fontaines DC & Wet Leg) but it's great to see it continue and inspire younger bands to rise. Some of my favourites are FEET, Balancing Act, Gingerella, and The Velvet Hands.
Yeah it is quite bizarre watching this channel obsess over “British indie bands taking back the charts” yet completely ignoring the likes of sports team in a chart battle for number one against lady gaga in 2020, fantastic content to be sure but out of touch I fear
@@JackBrianDixonone blind spot may be the fact that a fair few new indie bands that are doing well don’t have any willies
@@danielhoskins4690I don’t think there’s an issue with gender here at all, it’s probably just a case of nostalgia for bands that mimic 90’s Brit pop over new bands that sound a bit odd but actually perform well in the charts regardless of how the members identify
Yeah you’re probably right.
@@JackBrianDixonyeah, you’re probably right and I was being a bit flippant, but the bands I think of that are interesting over the last few years are mainly female. That is a blind spot I think for some.
Wet Leg, Last Dinner Party, Beabadobe, Girl Genius.
They are more interesting to me than the comeback albums of my childhood Britpop idols (except the ballad of Darren)
Lets hope the music scene takes a turn for the better. Bring back real bands working their arse off writing good tunes... Great to see these artists take top spot...
Great video again, james.
Didn't Blur' "The Ballad Of Darren" go to #1? The Manics "Ultra Vivid Lament" also got to #1 and that was a 14th album for a band that have existed since 1986. I am happy for all these bands including Shed Seven. I've always wanted a change of charts for years because I am sick to death of seeing Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift, RnB rubbish topping the charts and taking over radio. I want music to speak to me again when I turn on the radio.
How does the physical songs charts work? I didn't think you could buy singles anymore.
James, as usual I agree. Comedy is the last bastion of punk rock. Unfortunately, the idea that music can change, I believe, is a thing of the past. The problem is that there is no longer a record industry. What little there is left is concerned more with reissues and greatest hits of legacy acts than breaking new acts. Acts think in songs to download instead of singles with A/B sides and no one thinks of albums. I feel this is a huge loss to culture. But what I feel is a bigger loss is we are now going on the third generation of kids that don't hate their parent's music. Most kids are happy to go back and rediscover the Beatles/Stones/Pistols/Oasis/Whomthefuckever and this is more of a blight on creativity than anything. Britpop, which I think was the last true movement in rock music, was also a bunch of people taking their influences and creating something current, but not "new". For there ever to be a cultural movement again like this, there has to be a uniform culture. Due to social media, everyone is a rock star in their own mind. It used to be that a new record by the Beatles, Stones, Dylan, Smiths were a cultural event. That just doesn't happen anymore. That said, I will hunt down independent and self-released British guitar band records until the end of time. Rant over. Hey You Kids, Get Outta My Yard! And NO, you can't have your ball back!
Go Liam! I did an impression of LG recently on my channel, keep kicking ass mate.
There is a slight skew in the figures nowadays due to the propensity for artists to offer autographed or signed editions of the CD and occasionally Vinyl releases. The numbers of these are quite large but limited and scalpers tend to purchase multiple copies to resell on auction websites pushing the record up the charts. The last Kylie album got a number one placing helped not only by CD and Vinyl enthusiasts, but also autograph hunters, memorabilia collectors and resellers. If there had not been vinyl and CD bundles with a 12×12″ signed lithograph option and signed CDs offered by hmv and townsend records I wonder if the album would have topped the chart? Shed Seven have had a signed album on pre-order for at least six months - which I purchased a signed CD and signed vinyl many months ago - all of those pre-orders are included in the first weeks placing - it's all good news, but once freebies (e.g. 3 different coloured cassettes) and signed merch are not allowed to be given away with album purchases we will see the true picture of where Rock music sits in the music landscape... keep up the great videos :)
Give The Bracknell a listen. Good band
Shed Seven created a fantastic atmosphere at Bournemouth O2 Academy on a midweek night about 4 years ago when their last new album was released . The band thanked the packed audience the following day . Very very good vibe that night with Cast as brilliant low key support without the usual hairy guy on guitar 😁👍
If only there would be new bands insipired by Oasis, Roses or Shed Sheven on the top, but this is just nice nostalgia from the 90's. It's the most quiet time at the charts in January.
Check out The Rolling People if you haven’t already. Haven’t seen them live yet but like how their tracks are sounding. Looking forward to their debut album
They make banging tunes for sure
They are great live. Seen them 3 times now and they don’t disappoint. You know a band is good when they play a set of songs you don’t know and its still a great show
The cutting edge of guitar music and youth culture seems to be in heavy metal. Particularly hardcore punk seems to be quite trendy at the moment.
New bands I'd recommend alongside pastel, and marsielle, are scouse bands such as columbia, the sway and kairos, for me liverpools music scene is way ahead of anywhere else in UK atm.
Stuart Pearce (like a mix of The Fall and Devo). Debut came out on Safe Suburban Home Records about 6 months ago
I hope it’s the beginning of a sea change. TikTok bedroom pop and mumbling rap crap had its moment. Time for bands. Indie. Britpop. Shoegaze. Let’s go!
So Liam has finally made it after all: at least in the charts this week he's bigger than the Beatles😃
Another excellent video, and I do hope you are correct about the cultural change.
Never heard of any of these bands. Will be checking out.
Including streams in the charts is like including how many times someone hits repeat on their CD or re-wound the cassette after taping it off the radio back in the day.
Very happy about both results. Go Sheds!
can only hope that some new rock n roll bands can actually ride this wave
Been listening to Pastel, Marseille and The Social Club are ones to look out for👀👀
Thank God you've finally mentioned what you think today's counterculture is, I was thinking it was this for a while now but I'm hoping with my band I'm defo gonna start or join in a movement, I'm only 13 now but hopefully when I'm older, then I'll be able to be in a big band maybe idk we'll see how things go shall we
Being a bigot isn't being in the counter culture 🤨
@@SealandBallthen what is
@@CaptainCommonsense142 the counter culture is anything but bigotry and hate which is what this bozos claiming to be the new counter culture
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Buzzing for The Shangralas James, great name, top attitude, top young 'ungs. Bring It On!!!!!
Also I can't say I'm a huge fan of Black country, new road but if any indie rock band will be a big deal in the next few years it will be them or black midi and again I can't say I really like those bands
I think all female indie rock bands are starting to come out to be big just as all male indie rock bands like The Big Moon and The Last Dinner Party for example and I think they are doing well with what they do.
Absolutely. Wet Leg and Last Dinner Party are the future of indie.
As much as I love the roses and shed seven, they are rooted in nostalgia.
The Big Moons 1st album is great... The female led guitar bands can't wait to ditch the guitars once they get a bit of recognition though. I wonder if Wet Leg do the same thing... They're a bit older so maybe not.
A band I've enjoyed watching who definitely have the style and attitude and without a doubt the tunes are JET BLACK TULIPS from Belfast
Feed the mammoth we’re a group I went to uni with, whilst their recorded output is not their best stuff they’ve got what it takes. You should check out Good For No One - Feed The Mammoth and keep tabs on them
The narrative is being broken, James, a friend of mine asked me recently if I knew who sang the 'new' song used on the Gala Bingo advert. I replied 'Todd Rundgren and it's not a new song - it dates from 1971'. 'Oh well, I still like it, can I download it, I like it and my work colleagues do as well.'
New bands that I've recently discovered and currently have high hopes for are:
TV Death
The K's (im not sure how 'new' these guys are. They have videos on their youtube channel that are several years old)
The Last Dinner Party
Bleach Boy
The Smile(ok, I'm really stretching the definition of 'new' here...)
Two special mentions for bands that aren't really new but are several albums into their career and that I think are incredible go to Idles and Fontaines D.C. Two mega, mega bands.
It’s a great album sleeve. It’s got big Brian Cannon vibes #takebackthecharts
Can't cross the road these day's without someone being offended, everyone's offended as soon as they open there eyes in the morning there offended.
Hi James, You really need to check out Subterrania. They will blow your mind. Proper authentic rock and roll
Gotta give the guest list a listen and stray pursuit
Always loved Shed Seven, they're a great live band and it's great to see them getting more recognition. I don't think anything is changing culturally though.
I hope you're right pal 👍
Dick cheese and the hard ons, they are a good up and coming band!
Not really reflective of “popular music” though still is it. Streaming is unfortunately the true reflection of the times. Sales charts are going o reflect more indie music because indie leans more toward physical especially with vinyl.
Also, naming the current movement “woke cancel culture”, as someone “on the ground” is absolutely stupid. Most of us kids don’t give a flying fuck about cancelling people, and music really isn’t shit at all. There’s loads of good stuff if you actually want to look for it.
You seem very out of touch here mate. Don’t think woke culture has anything to do with this at all
They are just a really good band. I think my mate manages them or works behind the scenes for them or something. One of those bands that work hard and are consistently great!
I didn't know we still had charts.
What about the Serotones. They are Shed Seven singer Ricks son Dukes band.
My favourite indie rock band right now is The Sherlocks and they deserve more recognition. Their album from August was brilliant
I want ian brown to bring out a new album and put a band together 😁
Subterrania are another great new band. They've supported pastel in swansea before.
Afflecks palace, the joint, the moods (all Mancunian bands)
Wishful thinking hoping for an indie revival a la late 90s early OOs; The indie scene is pretty dense right now but mostly online. Someone from that scene needs to make a breakthrough that’s more meaningful than simply going viral on tiktok for a month or two.
That artist would need to transcend race, class, age gaps, and politics/culture war politik and bridge all or a few. How?
I’m pessimistic.
Someone who does not give a fu*k then? Can't be that rare
Interestingly, Slowdive seems to come closest to appealing to a broad demographic
Shed seven haven’t had any chart success for years and years, and we’re only successful for a short while back in the 90s. It’s a great achievement Plus Liam and j squire charting so high, I do think and hope things are changing, we need it.
I’ve gone from the gigs, eg if Liam has sold out knebworth as a solo, headlined festivals etc people want to hear them, same with Noel
Shed seven back in the charts from nowhere,
All great , something is changing, it’s happening.
We can only eat shit for so long.
It’s crazily like the 90s all over again. ……….Maybe
Shit country, New government…maybe
Music changing….. maybe
……definitely
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Noan Kanan album is very good. He’s in the top 5. But, congrats to Liam and squire Music earn their first place. Shed Seven is one the best album independent rock of the year
It’s a damn good album
The thing is James, and I say this as a big fan of your content - 'woke' isn't a music genre... it's simply a term that reflects on a few societal movements away from certain accepted norms. 'Woke' isn't harming music, or anyone... it isn't affecting music at all. It's really just a term that is used in a pejorative sense by people who DON'T want change.
Cancel Culture is something COMPLETELY different and is very dangerous, I agree, but again, it isn't affecting music in the slightest.
In fact, far more explicit music is getting into the charts than ever... it's just that this music isn't what you seem to listen to or enjoy.
Indie bands are not unpopular because of Cancel Culture, or 'wokeness', indeed, they NEVER do or really did anything truly controversial - and certainly not by today's standards.
What is it that you think rock stars are unable to say? Liam, for example, was a supporter of BLM, doesn't seemingly hold any particularly out there political views and he is the most 'gobby' and controversial of the guitar music stars. Who else do you think is being muzzled by wokeness and what is it they'd be saying...?
And further still,if you take a step back and look at it objectively, Shed 7 and Liam and Squire (all middle aged men who are already famous) topping charts is probably very unlikely a signal of an 'underground uprising' - and I say this a HUGE fan of those artists.
Straight ahead, guitar rock may make a comeback, or, more likely, experience 'waves' of comeback, but I think it's incredibly unlikely that it will ever become the dominant narrative medium again in youth culture music - which is what any genre needs to do in order to really affect culture from the ground up.
Popular music is dictated by, and reflects, the technological stage of any culture - there are sometimes moments of retro revival, but generally, any 'musical revolution' is firmly rooted in reflecting the culture and technology prevalent in the given time.
The reality is that Grime was a genuine British underground revolution and (easily) the closest thing to punk we've seen, and that was quite recent (though even that is now 'dated'). It isn't strictly white boys with guitars playing '60's informed guitar pop (which, again, I LOVE), but the fact is, that image is relevant to a time that doesn't exist anymore.
There is contemporary, offensive, forward looking music being made left, right and centre - it just doesn't seem that you're hearing it.
Much Love, a fan x
I love this post😍
A lot of truth in it I think.
Totally agree, always makes me cringe when people misuse/overuse the term 'woke'
True that! Speaking of grime, my impression is that what older guys like me saw as “rock’n’roll lifestyle“ can now only be found among the dance underground scenes.
Things tend to go in cycles alright. The 60's and 90's were very similar. The noughties and 70's were kind of similar as were the 80's and 2010's. WE are due another 60's/90's in this cycle. Not an indie band, but just recently discovered this band czcams.com/video/jIMAkM2ITIY/video.html Kind of like a pink floyd/muse space rock thing going on. Worth a look. The end section is mad trippy sounding.
It‘s great for Shed Seven to top the charts! Although I‘m not sure if the charts are still relevant to younger people like they were back in them days. But I don‘t buy the whole political thing about a cultural change - if Tory cabinet members are talking about the “war on wokeness“, then it´s certainly not rock`n`roll to be anti-“woke“, is it? Besides, some of the best bands of the past decades had been woke in today‘s parlance (The Beatles, Sun Ra, The Clash, The Jam, X-Ray Spex, Manics, Super Furry Animals, Asian Dub Foundation, etc.), so nothing wrong with that (“woke“ is simply another term for being aware of social problems). And Gervais and Chappelle are relics of another era, who‘ve done nothing interesting for 20 years. Seeing has-beens like them as the torchbearers of a new cultural movement is to me the equivalent of saying Cliff Richard`s comeback in the late 1970s was punk. The real problem of the past decade was guitar bands copying each other and not coming up with something exciting. Many also had good prospects, but weren‘t consistent over a longer period of time, which had a lot to do with massive changes in the industry due to the rise of streaming.
But I agree that the younger generation desperately needs their own bands. Comebacks like Shed Seven are a great gateway to discover older bands (like I did when Echo & The Bunnymen returned to the charts in the late 1990s), but it`s always the new bands that define an era. Speaking of which: recent guitar bands that got me hooked in the past years include Wet Leg, Porridge Radio, Tropical Fuck Storm and Jetstream Pony. Generally, the real action is now the live circuit. With bands making less money on record sales or streaming, playing live is still the real deal. If we want to measure the popularity of younger bands, we shouldn‘t look on record sales, but on the attendance at gigs and festivals.
None of those bands were woke.. most were left wing/anti rascist... It's a different thing. Woke is like a general umbrella term that is weak as sht.
Great video - Although people REALLY need to stop using Rotten Tomatoes as any kind of barometer. The critics score is useful as those views are COLLECTED from a wide range of published sources. The audience score is useless, as it depends entirely on people SUBMITTING scores directly to the site. Dave Chappel fans are much more likely to submit scores, whereas the vast, vast majority of casual Netflix watchers are not going to submit -whatever they thought of his special.
Here's a tip for you rock n roll lovers, check out The Blue Dawns, from York.
Yeh. Pastel. Also, Foals?
It’s great news. Genuinely.
But…
As much as I love Liam, Squire and the Sheds, I’d much rather it be a young band in their 20s than blokes in their 50s. We can only hope.
I have no idea who Dave Chapelle is and avoid Netflix like the plague. Definitely a slight tangent I mean if they were both number one for weeks it could be something but no harm in getting your hopes up a bit. Meanwhile I'll just enjoy the tunes and sunshine ✨
I still don’t think music changing and the end of the day pop music is pop music it’s really the indie kids that are striving this music which is great but popular kids or people who aren’t into music won’t know this which is sad but we keep going maybe one day it’ll happen again
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We are going to need venues and people willing to come out of their houses. We’ve had a generation of people who have had no sort of guitar scene whatsoever. When I was a teenager (yes, the 90s😂), you weren’t more than 10m from another guitarist. I don’t really come across any young people who play now. Also my heroes in the 90s certainly weren’t 50+ rockers…. Our time has gone.
The Kabins
The 355’s have the songs and The Brass Bambees have the attitude.
Amazing analysis.
James I’m seeing Ride and the Charlatans this weekend, let’s hope they can kick the wokeness out
That's why South Park is so good, there's no cow too sacred to mock.
The sheds first album is one of my all time faves. Still listen to it regularly! And yeah lets hope this woke crap is coming to an end.
firestop are good manchester band
Louis Dunford ....the reytons maybe seb lowe
Corker of an album lads the Sheds are back on top 👌 & then there's Liam/John ffs! 👀Never seen any of this on the horizon could this be the start of something beautiful yet again? The new 90s??? i personally reckon the music scene has been pish for the last decade or so so this is promising 🙏
The Serotones could be big. Very 90's sound
Just gave them a listen and I dont think so, its too wacky
@@YegoYTP I think they're a bit rough around the edges but they could possibly write some great songs
get a list up of exciting new talent. But deffo The K's
Sadly this is nothing new, indie and rock bands have had big hitting albums for years. Then they drop out of the top 75 the following week. Also the sales are a fraction of what they were in the 90s. Indie and rock has always been popular but it just doesn't work against streaming where constant plays of the same songs make hits. We don't listen to music in that way. I hope you are right though but who are these non-woke bands, when we have bands like Slaves, sorry Soft Play, and Idles who are both super woke for two.
I really hope you're right, James. I basically lost hope that we'd see rock n roll back at the top, and resigned to considering it a genre that today looks to the past, but has been resilient enough that it will always be there one way or another when we want to enjoy it.
Yeah people been saying for years just to relegate it to the bin jazz is in, but rock n' roll is the only kinda music that you can say what you feel from the pit of your gut, not just say it, but scream it like a mad man, only rock and any rock derived genre does that happen.
Oliver Anthony, while being an American folk singer, also exploded in popularity over the summer of 2023, he should be added to the list.
Fontaines DC
I reckon you're right ✅️
You shoukd have added the failure to cancel the Hogwarts game, it made people buy it out of spite against the woke