FLEETWOOD MAC: The Madness Of Peter Green (The Munich Story Explained)
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- Peter Green left the first incarnation of Fleetwood Mac following a visit to a German commune in Munich in 1970 that has been the subject of countless rumours, legends and myths. Join me to iron out exactly what happened, and why it led to Peter Green leaving the band.
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Many thanks, JH.
Spiking is one of the most heinous things anyone can do
It's a shame how people have made Owsley Stanley into this LSD demigod. LSD isn't for everyone, just like alcohol or weed, magic mushrooms or even chocolate ice cream. Not everyone should have everything. Acid is a powerful drug. It needs to be taken with the consent of the person about to have the trip.
I've been spiked a few times. In one town, where I used to play at multiple venues, one night where the crowd pressed right up to where I was set up to play, a guy in a wheelchair kept pestering me to let him sing during my breaks. Now I'm always wary of letting anybody up to sing at my gigs because I'm not a great singer by any stretch of the imagination . . and there's a better than even chance that the interloper would be better at it than I am. Add to that the sympathy quotient of a handicapped guy in a wheelchair, and I could easily lose my crowd for the evening, and even my future bookings in the case of an able-bodied singer usurping me. So, as politely as I knew how to be, I declined the guy's request to let him get up and use my gear during my breaks. That was the last night that I had my drink of water in a regular glass. It is my belief that someone, guess who the prime suspect was in my mind, dropped something in my drink. I remember feeling strange toward the end of my gig, and that night I pissed the bed! Now that reaction to whatever whoever had put in my water made it impossible for me to ever stay the night in that town again. Word would've spread to the other motel owners not to rent me a room for the night, and even though I paid the motel owner in cash, from my earnings the night before at the pub, the price he asked to replace the mattress, from the look in his eyes I knew he'd never forgive me. So from then on I had to drive the four hours to get there, set up and play the four hour gig, dismantle and load out again, and then drive the four hours to get back home. If I had another gig in that general area . . and Australia's a VERY big place . . I'd drive out of that town and sleep in my car at whatever truck stop I could find.
@@arthurblackhistoric toss pots they are. keep on keepin on
Those cults I hate those groups and they are everywhere in America. Had it been my friend or family member I may be still in prison to say. I walk in and you have spiked his drink. Yeah ! I would black right out. 😤
@@arthurblackhistoricwow! Yeah! I know it's tough I use to go with my buddy all over he's a prominent dj and when I didn't feel like going I would emphasize to watch yourself keep your drink where nobody can get to it if it gets away from you trash it. Get another.
Good Day. Excellent & Sad. So many "great ones" have come and gone. I was born in 1952, and lived a time of wonderful musical happenings. I started playing drums in 1963 and music has always been a central part of my life.
Thank You & Best Regards 🎶
I'm a recovering freelance pharmaceutical stuntman, and I've seen drugs destroy far more people than help them. If you're susceptible to it, then you're in trouble. I've seen people develop psychosis from speed, weed, and acid. It's pure luck that I'm not permanently altered, but when you're young, you think you're invincible, that nothing will happen, and it's only decades later when you look back and realise it. I enjoyed every stupid, hedonistic minute of it, but I escaped unscathed. I know people who are deeply messed up who didn't dive in with both feet like I did.
Great research as always. Would love to see one on Syd Barrett
LSD was not Syd's issue, its the barbiturates and Xboxin that got him.
I think syd loved lsd ,like when Peter green said when u come down the happiness is over ,no colours ,ect Its like breathing under water ',well the music biz and having only Saturday off 2 gigs a night at times,did syd in and the rest
I don't think it's research. He is just repeating opinion from various books. Peter Green's son has been trying to find answers to all this. He has a YT channel and has interviewed the Germans.
Spot on. It's heinous that the Grateful Dead crew would spike drinks with LSD. They saw it as comedy. There's a story in Phil Lesh's book about them spiking bottles of Heineken for the security when they played in Germany. He thought it was funny that he saw a police officer with a pool of piss at his feet and scared out of his mind. There's major karmic retribution for these actions.
They had psychopaths in their "family"
@@davidcollin1436 I know that extremely well. My good friend Greg and a girl he was hanging out with were murdered in Ventura California at a Rainbow Family encampment at a park.
My favourite era from Fleetwood Mac's career. I adore Peter Green and Danny Kirwan together and Jeremy Spencer is very talented, yet so underrated. Then Play On is one of my top favourite albums of all time. I'd also call it my favourite guitar album as it did make a very special impact on me when I was learning lead guitar. It was such a tragic shame through Peter's and Danny's mental health after the incident and their time with FM. Danny's being different to Peter's but it was still awful. Their signature, inspirational sounds of playing guitar still is mesmerising and always will be.
I met Peter when we were both on Loose Ends on Radio 4. He was a sweet, gentle guy. BIll Drummond of the KLF was on the same show, we both got Peter's autograph. Thanks for another great video, always compelling.
Early Fleetwood Mac is some of the most important music of my lifetime, I was so blessed that my father showed me these things at a young age ❤
English Rose is a good one
@@duelenigma7732 such a good album album 🔥🔥
We saw them at Pirate's World in Dania Florida about 1969, along with Long John Baldry, and Savoy Brown. GREAT Memorable CONCERT.
I taught myself to play drums in 1963. I still play.
@@timmotel5804 I got the chance to see him a lot later in life, it was a very bittersweet evening. He wasn’t really present in any way shape or form, his back up band where kind of doing everything. I really wish I had the opportunity to see him in his prime
MK Ultra-esque, they sure destroyed that people's movement with those chems.
Highly placed Bavarians, stately homes, cults and military/secret service grade drugs… sounds likely.
I’ve started to lean toward the Mk ultra hypothesis is recent times as well.
Check out the book weird scenes in the canyon, goes in depth on the MK Ultra stuff going on in the LA scene in the 60s hugely eye opening with so much facts backed up, a lot of weird cult stuff going on surrounding bands in the 60s and 70s, Bowie had a similar experience with these kinds of people
@@simonwebster1148Excellent book! The Bavaria/Nazi connection is very real. I’m sure James will eventually debunk it.. not the first time I’ve had a comment on one of his videos removed after touching on these kind of topics.
@@ianlewis777 yeah that book blew my mind right open, can’t see how any one could deny all the connections after reading it, there’s no getting out the rabbit hole after that. You may be interested in listening to this guy Thomas Sheridan talking about the music scene back then where he makes a link that the process church of the final Judgement may have been/still are doing things around bands and artists czcams.com/video/DRVlWyDKrYg/video.htmlsi=Ioh1fbJKQqgwzsqr
I love Peter Green and the music he gave us. A man of pure talent and those studio and live songs he did with them are hard to top.
A few similarities between Peter Green and Syd Barrett here. So creative, so fluid, so in the zone and so not needing LSD to open them up any more.
Yeah I agree
um, the English doctors also were inept at treating them.
I think Peter Green had the genes for schizophrenia, the drugs just flicked those genes on like a switch. Anyone can succumb to drug induced psychosis but the majority with the correct care and environment come back down to earth. I think too much emphasis is put on the Munich incident, often by the band. Everybody in the group was great in their own right but, Peter was the 'golden goose' i think the emphasis on Munich is to kinda absolve their guilt of not seeing Peter's problems sooner and sending him home to rest and recuperate. That being said he was his own man and probably couldnt have been told otherwise.
One of the only sensible takes I've read in these comments
@SpartanDragonDXD I love him and it genuinely saddens me when I think of the downward trajectory he took after shining so brightly ....but every member of the band has a different account of what went down and it kinda reeks of 'pouring it on a bit too thick'. Just my two cents
Same unfortunately occured with Syd Barrett .
@ralphjones9903 prior to acid and a life in music, Syd as a teen was talking about being able to telepathically communicate with aliens. So yeah the seeds where already there and drugs and a lifestyle made it come to life
You might be right. Just like Brian Wilson, and Sid Barrett.
I grew up in the SF Bay area in the 70s, you need your head to be in a good place before dropping acid.
Great video. These stories are always so sad and too common from this era, Skip Spence. Roky Erikson and, of course, Syd Barrett
Brilliant as always James, and so true. I’ve always felt absolutely livid about the tragedy that fell on Peter Green. Such a major loss to music, and his story is truly heartbreaking. I believe he was a lovely chap but a tortured soul who as you say fell victim to his own success. Another great documentary and one everyone should watch, listen and take heed. Thank you mate. RIP Peter Green. 🙏🏻
Cheers Mark 👍👍
James , did you enjoy the Peter Green appreciation performance at the Palladium .. Dave Gilmour , Steven Tyler, Pete Townsend , Kirk Hammet and Noel Gallagher jesting ' I bet you lot thought I can't play the Blues 😂' .
Stunning concert I recommend to all
Jan 17, 1970 I was in the Seattle's Eagle's auditorium right balcony right over Peter Green's head as they did Fleetwood Mac performed the Play On album performance.
Thank you for telling this story. It needs to be told over and over again. Peter Green was absolutely one of the best guitar players ever. And then it all was interrupted.
Did the scary Peter Green lsd recordings ever get released?
I will always remember going camping with my mates back in the late 90s with my ghetto blaster listening to albatross. Great times.
Depends on the dosage .I took my first and only microdot and it was so strong I j shut down internally and no memory at all of what was going on for about 5 hrs then I started to come back and was so disappointed I couldnt recall anything.Luckily the friends I was with steered and directed me in the right direction otherwise anything could have happened.I would do it again but the rule of thumb is take less as you can always take more but if you take too much you cant take less and may well regret it.Agreed ; spiking is a terrible trick to play on anyone.
RIP Peter Green
The part from 17:10 onwards reminds me of John Frusciante's solo work during his heroin addiction - he was convinced it was beautiful, spiritual music and whilst there are parts that are intriguing musically, it does sound like a mental breakdown put onto tape.
Even if you do take LSD illegally (not recommending it) you should at least know about it. Spiking people is disgusting. Period.
This added a lot to my understanding of Peter Green and what happened to him. A tragic tale. Has that “LSD tape” ever been leaked or released? It would be interesting to hear it.
Although less known this could also be about Skip Spence of Moby Grape.
These videos seem to be speaking directly to me. This and the one about Noel. Thanks mate.
Wow, I always enjoy your content but this one was something else. I play guitar and sing in a blues band. Peter Green has been a prime influence for me. I could'nt help but feel sad and emotional about this episode. Peter really was the man of the world.
Keep up the great work James, many thanks.
Great video as usual. Often bring up Peter's story on a Friday night down the pub. Generally no one is interested and just go back to discussing the footy but at least I try! Stellar video and well researched
Always be humble and grateful ❤
Same thing happened to Brian Wilson of "The Beach Boys".
Great details and solid delivery, Mr. Hargreaves. Consider me a new subscriber. Cheers!
Thanks and welcome
Great advice James. Very well put.
Great post James thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
You're right James, someone with an already fragile sense of self being spiked is the worst thing that could've happened. Jim Morrison was another who nonchalantly experimented with LSD and I think never recovered.
LSD didn't affect Jim Morrison like it did Peter Green, Syd Barrett, and Brian Wilson. He never went into constant freak out mode, or had mental problems becauseof it. Alcohol was what got Jim in trouble, and caused him to do stupid stuff. But Jim remained perfectly aware, intelligent, and alert up until his death.
It's conjecture. He had mental problems either way.
@@Iondeen I've never heard a single person say, or even hint that Jim had mental problems. None of the doors, friends of Jim, nor any of the biographers ever mentioned anything about him having mental problems. You're the only person I've ever heard even bring it up. Did he do crazy stuff while drunk? Yes, but everyone that drinks does crazy things. Jim didn't have mental problems. If someone were to make a diagnosis from watching the doors movie they might come to that conclusion, but the movie wasn't an accurate portrayal of Jim. Ray Manzarek said he wouldn't have hung out with the Jim in that movie.
@@michaelharrington75 There's countless examples of his core instability
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day ❤😊 also RIP Peter green
Much appreciated 👍👍
What effect did the electro shock therapy he was subjected to have on his condition? It arguably made things exponentially worse. Has there ever been any accountability or reckoning for the doctors (and the health system) who had him institutionalized and essentially ran experiments on him based on junk science that today we would consider abusive?
I'm an old counterculture artist who was a friend of Jenny Boyd ,, When I first took LSD in 1969 I was able to handle the synthetic drug,, but there was the few who couldn't,, I'v tried the natural trippy stuff like magic Mushrooms Mescaline DMT ect,, and came out the otherside with a smile on my face,, because I know who I am...the human condition is so complex there's always going to be some that should stay away from things they cant understand especially lab made synthetic LSD.
PS remember the dealer in the movie Withnail & I? there was a lot like him in the late 60ts
Great video as always mate
Interesting, something that PG would never really admit, but what I had long suspected is that he was a frequent user of LSD, as opposed to what he said about taking it 6-7 times.
You do realize that when they’re talking about a 2nd person at the party locked in a trip with PG and also severely mentally damaged thereafter, they’re not talking about Dennis Keane, they’re talking about Danny Kirwan, the other Guitar player.
In the same way as Jimi Hendrix and countless others, the Industry fucked them over, they needed a long break with no drugs and good people around them, unfortunately, they never got that chance.
Yeah there seems to be a constant mix up over who was actually there, but the vast majority of people seem to say it was Peter and Dennis not Peter and Danny, so I have assumed people have got Dennis mixed up with Danny in certain places
He really was the best of the best, such a sad story.
After seeing this I can't help but think of Syd Barrett. Thank you for this video on Peter Green.
My Heart beat like a Hammer (Take 2) truly Amazing Drinking your blues away track and i love hearing Peter say 'YES!' At the start just sounds cool.
I really like your videos, and a huge early Fleetwood Mac fan,and while I have a lot of things that I do feel need to be more established (specifically the sides of this story on some of the people mentioned in this video), It is a great thought out video none the less.
Had the pleasure of seeing Peter in the lakes playing live thanks to good mates getting me a ticket
My god wtf was Peter given in Munich.
One of the best gigs I've seen no wonder people feel robbed of such a guitarist
Great video and such a great message to deliver to those who may consider taking LSD. Thanks.
Great video
Peter Green has, and always will be one of the greatest guitarists this country has ever produced. His effortless vibrato, the slides, the note choices, everything about his playing was magnificent. And Oh Well Part two is just off the scale for me, so personal, so bluesy, so painful also. Doesn't Kirk Hammett have Peter's famous Les Paul with the inverted neck humbucker?
Yes he does, bought it from Garry Moore's estate
This post directed to me by YT algorithm. I'd heard the story, but this exploration was interesting. I believe that the spiking may have been STP - but it doesn't really matter. The similarity to Brian Wilson is well made. Peter was obviously away in his own world for a very long time. His Splinter Group stuff is still so good - his Robert Johnson covers are excellent. Regards to all.
I recall watching the BBC4 doc that featured this Munich incident. That, after watching your superb video was just a fraction of the story. Thank you for making this and, again painting the FULL picture. 👍👍
spiking someone with an hallucinogen is a terrible prank and can be quite harmful. that's how 3 of the beatles first experienced Lsd. they were at a dinner party at their dentist's home and he put it in their coffee. but in my experience (and the beatles') most people who voluntarily take Lsd have a wondrous & harmless experience. not that i still do it- that was the '60's...
Great video! With the depth of investigation you did, I would love to see how the Munich event drove Jeremy Spencer into the Children of God cult and Danny Kirwin into his own madness. The Munich incident had more victims than just Peter.
Those guys had other issues. The Munich thing had nothing to do with them.
Smart take, the risk is never worth it, messing with trippers may as well be having a go against a revolver in a round of Rushin' roulette even a win is a loss.
Thank you for this, Green is right behind Syd Barrett as one of my favorite guitarist and tragic what-could-have-been figures. I actually really enjoy his instrumental END OF THE GAME album which he made after he left FLEETWOOD MAC, It's fascinating he joined the MAC for a little your of the States 1971 as an emergency replacement for Jeremy Spencer.
Love early Fleetwood Mac, sad to hear the more in depth explanation of Peter's crisis.
However with respect to LSD.... quality, quantity, attitude, and environment are major factors in how the trip goes down. It's not a party drug, more like a mirror to your inner self, I've also found the beauty of nature overwhelming when on it ...., I consider it spiritual. Haven't done it for many years but the insights still ring true. If you do it, treat it with respect, it's doesn't make you more creative, it will open your perspective, or at least it did mine.
Spiking is poisoning and a crime....very bad karma.
Well Pete wasn't wrong when he said : "Money is the problem ", ... of course the others were pissed, Pete wrote the genious songs and was the star ....
His son interviewed the guy (John Lennon clone guy with glasses in the photo) he said only Peter and the roadie was only at the tripping place !And his son be lives him over the band
Peter Green got so goofed in Munich...he was never the same person afterwards...as mad as a hatter..🤪..complete metamorphosis..
very informative, and sad. Syd Barratt probably had the same experience.
This is just sad. I loved Peter Green's guitar work. Perversely I suppose, I absolutely loved Green Manalishi.
About bloody time
I would love to hear that music though
The addicts in the comments a proving how easily some people are hooked onto drugs and then willing to defend their use, and misuse.
How do you know they're addicts? You don't, just an ad hominem attack to justify your nasty simplistic, reactionary attack.
Acid isn't addictive... Alcohol is though
I used to do “Sid” all weekend, every weekend. If not when shrooms were in season. I was at henge in 81, 82, 83, and the last, beautiful, Stonehenge festival in 1985, and apart from the five, free soundstages often playing around the clock, and there was PLENTY of hallucinagens of every type. I was interested to hear Fleetwood quoted talking of paranoia, and friends of mine (one of them who took ANYTHING but smack all day every day) and we were all in agreement. People who couldn’t forget or suppress their EGO would always have a bad time tripping. Fear of people looking at you when not in control, fear of saying strange things, not being in control, etc, etc would always have a bad trip. I always LOVED tripping, but I’m an old man now and dunno where to score. But this guy talking of people being “too open minded” is totally wrong. Just the opposite. Paranoia is a result of the exact opposite. A closed mind.
Sod this. I’m off to the damm.
Great episode...a proper perspective on what actually happened to Peter.
Very respectful. Thank you
I saw Him on tour with BB King in Leeds England a sort of comeback tour a good few years ago. He was obviously not well and being carried by the band. B.B King and his band were however magnificent. A very interesting video thanks.
Poor Syd comes to mind..
My very mediocre band was playing a gig at a London college. Our opening act was...................Peter Green and Fleetwood Mac! We begged them to swop billing but they wouldn't, "No way mate, we want to get to the pub!"
NOT all drugs are for everyone. Psychedelics are nothing to take lightly. Especially if you have any type of trauma or issues you haven't faced or processed. So if you aren't in a mental space to deal with that should a drug trigger that experience. You're taking a chance on YES creating mental issues. Sad but true.
Mick Fleetwood ended up donating his profits to the coke on the cane. Luckily for him the band under the yanks has had longevity keeping the royalties coming in.
Jeez!! Sounds exactly what happened to Syd Barrett 😮
What is the chemical that caused it? Cases like this are actually quite rare, relative to the number of people who have done the drug which I guess must be in the millions, or at least tens of thousands.
James can you make oasis iceberg explained, i found that iceberg in reddit forum.
I met him in 12 Bar club on Denmark St early 2000 he kept say he knew me from before another life. It was only when he left the bar staff told me who he was I didn’t have a clue.
It was only when I see him later on a doc with that green hat on that I recognised him. Exactly like you see him in interviews…it’s pretty unforgettable
San Francisco is great, there are so many great people down there. But there are so many, you know, bums, too, spoiling the great idea. It’s lovely but it’s going bad because a lot of people there believe the answer is to take drugs and drop out. And they drop out on to the pavement, hoping God’s going to manifest himself and take them off with him. Well, he’s not. That’s not being hip. Anything further from hip, in fact, I’ve never seen, because they’re just fooling themselves. I mean, even if they just worked chopping wood, they’re nearer to God than by dropping on to the pavement. You don’t need drugs, you see. The first trip you see that you don’t need acid. At least, that’s how it was with me. There’s high, and there’s high, and to get really high - I mean, so high that you can walk on the water, that high - that’s where I’m going. The answer isn’t pot and it isn’t acid. It’s yoga and meditation and working and discipline, working out your karma.
- George Harrison
Jeremy Spencer clearly states in the clip shown prior to you wondering if LSD was the only thing given to PG that it was _Danny_ in the back seat undergoing whatever bad trip they were both experiencing.
Danny's behavior and subsequent "walk off" from the band speak strongly to the probability that he also was a victim of the "German Commune" spiking incident. Btw, the guy who was the leader of that group was an avowed communist militant and was the progeny of German aristocracy.
Also, l've always been convinced that the substance that was imposed on PG and Danny & Dennis (besides LSD) was scopolamine, a drug that is classed as a _deliriant._
was thinking datura, maybe brugmensia. And I assumed he'd fallen in with Satanists.
The music coming up from the basement described as not good, bad vibes so on. By 1969 just about any English band had turned on and created their psychedelic niche. What specifically did Mick, Dennis, Jeremy, and John find so awfully weird? Was it the synthesizers the Krautrockers were known for? could STP have been ingested? More details about the nature of the experimental music in the basement would be interesting.
Its simpler than the ‘starting at level 8’, the strength can vary & the dose can b too strong. When either happen, the experience can b a nightmare. As well, in that era, there were lots of people pushing the whole spiritual trip (no pun intended ) which could explain the ‘giving the profits away’ bit.
Peter Green was a great loss to the music community, and was the the only british musician to get the Blues...!
What a waste. All that talent wasted. Thanks for sharing.
James talking about drugs. This should be interesting!
I agree that some people should be careful or avoid LSD and everyone should have a guide.
I don't know what it being legal has to do with it. And most doctors and "professionals" are over priced, new age, yuppies that price poor people out of reach of help.
Drug, set and setting are good to consider but "professional" has nothing to do with skilled.
Also, Carlos Santana was on LSD at Woodstock and thought that he played horribly but Jimi Hendrix thought that he was great.
Did you see the interview between Peter's son and the guy whose party it was?
Original Mac is best Mac. By far.
Amen😢
Let this be a lesson stay sane
I'vd had LSD a few times years ago but it wasn't for me. It does permanantly alter to you think about things and I guess some people don't snap out of it.
It makes different parts of the brain that don't normally communicate with each other send signals back and forth, hence the hallucinations.
At the end of the day, what you see when you're tripping is subjective to the individual.
It's a very powerful drug, and it's easy to see how it can cause negative long term effects to some people.
Him and Syd Barrett sound similar
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Remember: Money good, spirituality bad. Is it any wonder that people go nuts when they realize what state this world is in? The Syd Barrett situation was apparently similar with his bandmates dragging him to mime at Top of the Pops while he became ever more disturbed by the phoniness of it all. I think we'd all be better off if we met in the middle. But as it is this world is terribly lopsided. And people who seem to represent a counterweight to that by being lopsided the other way have the added difficulty of feeling pretty lost most of the time.
Now, I do agree that LSD seems to cause a severe ego boost in some people but I'm inclined to blame that on the fact that we have ego culture as the baseline.
It's known for ego loss. Certainly not boost.
Why don't you mention Danny Kirwan in this video? As far as I understand he was there at the Munich incident. Jeremy even mentions Danny in your video.
As far as I could figure out, Danny wasn’t there, but everyone was so high, generally speaking, that people mixed Danny and Dennis up in their memories. That’s what I came to after putting all the conflicting accounts together at least
FUCK YES MATE!!😃😃😃
great vid btw.
Got it wrong from the outset. Outsold the Beatles?
No one outsold the Beatles.
Interesting topic. One I've pondered several times over the years. But your pontificating about the perils of drugs is condescending and might be best likened to warning electricity is evil and corrupting because one person you know and admire was accidentally electrocuted however you can imagine. It's half witted and duplicitous. Otherwise thorough and well intended. Most of us have informed opinions on many things including drugs and presuming to persuade us of yours is offputting. Nonetheless I watched it all. I'twas good for factual information.
Pink Floyd song "Shine You Crazy Diamond" about Syd Barrett frying his brains literally and metaphorically. 2001 Space Odyssey stargate sequence and 7 diamonds have evil and menacing music it most menacing music ever as movie score it is warning. Nobody who looked into Abyss into God eyes and left undamaged including Beatles split up "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and track Number 9. Even Nietzsche who coined term Abyss who not used any altering drugs gone complete mad.
I would advise the same with the drinking problem,thats historically written on the wall one might say.Does that get to many reactions,in the poorist of countries when theres no food,hardly ,theres the good old liquor store,gets rid of a lot of pain for a short while,pot i thought was or is a milder alternative and at least gave the more resend generations a small shot at economy.I m 68 when i was in my 20s and maybe even resently getting any financing from a bank to start your small bussnes would be impossible.But if you had a half resonable job maybe they would bless you with the burden of a morga😢ge,these thing drove a lot to drinkin..So yes who can say something to a person ,as a possitive way out! Before thwy kill themselves, i have seen quite a few,go.Be it quick or slow,rich or poor,they think freedom is out that door.
LSD PLUS THE CURSE OF THE LOVE OF MONEY/ EQUALS MADNESS...
sounds like He ran into some MK Ultra,s
It's all very well with the moral homily dont do drugs kids, but i cant even imagine what music would be left if you discount all that was written and peformed under the influence of this or that drug. Imagining Pink Floyd without pot or the Cramps without speed or the Happy Mondays without Es, is impossible, futile. Jazz without heroin and cocaine is nothing. Francis Crick who part-discovered the double helixed DNA saw it on a trip, whether lsd or mushrooms I forget now. It's true that certain people with delicate grasp on reality shouldnt take, really, any drugs. Even a hit on the bong can send a latent schizophrenic schizoid. But to say that because 1 in a million people might go mad or die if they do x, does that mean the other million people whodont have a problem with it must go without? Its like making everyone eat gluten-free food, because a few people get sore guts from it. To want to dictate other peoples' lives to a greater and greater extent isnt really a 'good look'. There was far too much of that during covid. Thanks for the video though!
There’s a lot of people whose LSD experiences are nothing like the ones described here.
I’m one of those people.
that may be the case for you but others did not have good experiences - and got their brains scrambled (like poor pete green). Afraid the likes of timothy leary - apparently a cia asset - have a lot to answer for.
Do you want a trophy?
Maybe, with regards to your analogy, it's not an 8 step bump but more like three and if you are already 9, it doesn't move you to 17 or 11, it just loops around again, so you're back to 3
Maybe the religious delusions are a product of your remaining healthy self in conflict with the damaged now-repressed part
Like,
Imagine if you live in a studio flat and Beyonce moves in
Your modest self is going to have a difficult time relating to Beyonce and vice versa
Beyonce gives you a makeover and the two of you were already identical but now you look like her. She can't leave the flat anymore for some reason so now you have to be Beyonce, but you don't know how
Anyone who is in the public eye because of charm and charisma just operate naturally. If you were to try to be charismatic, you'd sound crazy
So maybe LSD just put an obstacle between his natural charisma and his ability to effortlessly inhabit it