What if Britain Conquered Siberia? (Alternative History)
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History is filled with the improbable. Colonies shattering the shackles of their overlords. A collection of small city states throwing back the largest empire the world had ever seen. Often what did happen, does not line up with what we believe should have happened. So What if Britain conquered Siberia?
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Imagine you get to Siberia and you start hearing people with an Australian accent…
*Canadian
*Bri'ish
They’d probably have their own Siberian English accent but with its own host of cultural stereotypes and things they’d be known for similar to Australia
down under more like up above
*Ethnical Russian who learned to speak British dialect
Oh god the pigs death in this timeline may actually cause a third American British war.
Unless that pig was butterflied away
The butterfly pig starts the war
Alternate Universe Oversimplified is going to have a field day
It would just be another Canada. Also Canada would be larger by incorporating Alaska into their territory.
It would also be cool if we ended up with Siberia too but I don’t think we could hold onto that
Thank you for swiftly getting into the meat of the topic, so many alternate history youtubers give such needlessly long intros that end up taking half the video.
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I have this interesting idea for you to think about. What if the Allies during the Crimean War in our timeline turned it into the Circassian War instead by landing their troops at Circassia and help the tribal Circassian confederation retake their lands back from the Russian Empire? After all, the Crimean War has been considered as a wasted opportunity in our timeline by the Circassians.
True that would be cool
Honestly the British would want South Africa for during the winter so they can still visit India and later on the suez to make that trip even shorter so the British have to conquer the entire bit of Africa they did in our timeline also with Russia not have a land border with China, it never goes commie
Russia became communist because of Germany tho and they don't border at all anyway
if i remeber right china wanted to colonize siberia but encountered the russians close after but in this timeline i think china would have colonized some part of siberia and the british would gain it in the opium wars
They might have then in althistory seriously populized the territories they owned but that got annexed and taken by them from the Russian empire since in our own timeline they were sparsely populated so maybe they could in althistory have an everlasting Chinese presence
I don’t even think Britain would take Japan tbh
I wonder why, with a great video like this that made 8k+ views in only one day, you still have 2k subs. You deserve at least 350k subs
Siberia becomes another Australia or Canada.
Nice use of a non Mercator on the thumbnail, it helps to illustrate how this was more geographically plausible than you might immediately think
I think in order to make this work the Muscovy company would have to take Arkhangelsk and work with Cossacks and Natives from there to explore and conquer Siberia. The Russians in our timeline conquered Siberia with practically a skeleton crew of a few thousand (sometimes hundreds) of Cossacks and since they were largely Polish and Ukrainian the British could use them.
I still don’t know how many actual settlers would make it there and because of closer proximity to England I could see convicts returning home.
What if Polish-Lithuenian Commonwealth was never partisioned?
I like this idea! I wished it could happen for real!
@@lerneanlion Ether no Ukraine War or it would be a even bigger war in that timelines current day
The winged tzar’s will rule over Europe
I mean if the commonwealth managed to remain independent the Polish people would have been most likely part of one nation state rather like in our timeline seperated and did not had to endure being on the frontline of both world wars and napoleonic war.
This would depend on where the point of divergence is, if we take just right before the partitions and for some reasons it's neighbor just let it stay independent, plc couldn't have done much as at that point it was already in steady decline
This could have been interesting had the marriage between Elizabeth 1 and Ivan the Terrible happened
Yo AA
When can we get a video on what if the ottomans survived through ww1 and ww2 staying neutral, taking advantage of Oil and decolonization to rise in power
I rather want Alaska to remain Russian in an althistory which makes more sense and doesnt hurt my eyes 💀
How about no russia at all.
We would have to sacrifice russian car crash videos and Tetris but we would gain a russian free world.
but damn. I would miss Tetris
@@andrefasching1332 damn i didn't know tetris was made by soviet, thank you for making me learn something new 😇
Colonies breaking the shackles of their colonial overlords seems much less improbable when said colonies are funded and supported by ye of the largest and richest empires in history
I usually do this in EU4
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was gonna do that for a victoria 3 mod i had an idea for, but i quit the game sadly.
I love how a majority of this video has Russia as a literal square
It was just theory, probably russia without siberia could not be able to hold crimea, pontic steppe and central asia.
Canon russia could not conquer central asia after breakdown of golden horde for 300 years. And even conquering russia spent 100 years trying to supress national unrest of central asian people and eventually it lead to gulags and concentration camps.
What's the name of the background music at 2:00 and after?
How would the settlements on the Northern coast of Siberia sustain themselves? I think this is a really interesting scenario but I struggle to find a comparison to draw from to see how English settlers would survive in northern Siberia that’s unfarmable. Also how would the settlements deal with being frozen over 6 months of the year?
Trade through the natives most likely and Mongol tribes in bakial. Probably would be managed more through the native people like in Africa
Likely through fishery, as there are quite a few fish species distributed in the Siberian Arctic, as well as wild fauna which the English would hunt every migratory season. It'd mostly be dispersed settlements like in Scandinavia at that time
Doesn't this scenario almost guarantee a British Alaska, thus reinforcing your point about tge Oregon Territory.
If Britain owned Siberia as well as taking Canada, and Russia didn't colonize Alaska to sell it to the U.S, they would definitely own Alaska, securing the Bearing Straight for trade. Gold and oil would most likely still be discovered there as well. Britain might have a political campaign to own the Arctic and would make an effort to take Greenland and Iceland, since Denmark may be under Sweden or Swedish influence, if Greenland and Denmark aren't part of the Swedish Empire. Of course, with Russia being weak, Britain may not see a reason to keep Sweden as an ally. Their population would be diverse with Baltic peoples, different Nordic peoples, Poles, Germans and such, with very little of the population being ethnic Swedes. Britain may try to take the North from Sweden/Norway if it's independent, ultimately controlling the entire Arctic.
In the Post-Napoleonic Period, Britain may try to gain Indonesia from the Dutch instead of South Africa. Indonesia was the crown jewel of the Dutch Empire and if they focused on the Arctic, they could gain Indonesia to secure their trade route to India. If not all of it, then maybe more parts around Malaysia like the rest of Borneo and Sumatra. They may also take South Africa as well, considering everyone was tired of war and no one could stand up to Britain at the time. Plus, the Siberian trade route would be frozen over for at least half a year, so they'd need an alternate route.
In the latter half of the 19th century, Britian would have no help in building the Suez Canal as they did in our timeline, despite it being in their territory in Egypt. They had two routes going either around Africa or around Asia. The Canal would be constructed anyway, defeating the purpose of the Siberian and South Africa colonies.
In the Decolonization period, France and Britain would push Israel to take the Suez from Egypt. If the United States still forced them to make peace, Britain may have held onto Siberia and South Africa as Dominions to keep trade working. If Britian had continued and allowed Israel to control the canal, they may have let Siberia go since it really had no other strategic value and was underpopulated. It could be a collection of states like Canada or the U.S. that leave as one unit, or they could be split up after decolonization by the major settlements in the area (Mostly the Far East.) Britain would still try to keep South Africa under their domain for its value to the empire and the white, English-descendent majority that was present.
All of this, of course, assuming Russia being a minor power wouldn't change the rest of history. Britain may have also tried to conquer more as they controlled more on the map. Like they tried to do during the Berlin Conference, linking their African colonies along the East Coast, they may try to conquer Persia and Central Asia from China to link Siberia to India, and they may get away with linking Egypt to South Africa. Persia might be conquered if it's occupied in the world wars, to link it's new Arabian colonies to Asia. All in all, this would give Britain control over the Indian Ocean as it controlled the African coast, Arabia, India, Southeast Asia/Indonesia, and Australia.
This is already a pretty extreme timeline, so I want to go a step further and say Britain keeps Siberia, because it can and it would allow it to continue it's reign over the North. (The other part does assume it keeps Siberia as well, but it's 3am my mind is everywhere so just stick with me.) With Britain controlling like half the world at this point, it may force the Imperial Federation to work, creating a stable empire between itself, Canada, South Africa, Oceania, and Siberia. Of course, Arabia, Africa, and India would still want their independence eventually, but this British Empire on steroids might just allow for a stronger connection in the English majority parts of the empire, and would allow it to stay together into the 21st century.
The more I wright for this scenario, the more I realize how absurd this is. Like, I'm really giving Britain some kind of power buff here. Again, it's past 3a.m. and I've spent way too long writing this, so I'll just leave this be. Good night, or morning, wherever you are and whenever you're reading this.
I loved reading this
In this scenario, does the British get Alaska and later on become a part of Canada when they gain their independence?
Nah the aliens takes over Alaska then sell it to America for no reason
Most probably got taken by the British. The Russians were the only other colonial power in the Northern Pacific Coast and they wouldn't have the ability to do that in this timeline if they didn't have a Pacific Coast to begin with.
Yeah thought so
the sun never sets in the british empire
Battle of Tsushima becomes Battle of The Kurils
Y. Yamamoto makes a surprise attack on Victoria's Town (aka Vladivostok)
USA seems no reason to help Britain against Japan and Germany and also reinforces its northern frontier with Canada
This hurts my eyes
What if George VI was killed in WWII during the London Blitz?
If britain takes siberia when russia never takes Alaska, so the third war probably would happen if an effective route can be established between Canada+Alaska and kamchatka (I prolly spelt that wrong). Hokkaido is the northernmost japanese island of the main 4, and was conquered in 1869 by japan. If britain sees it as crucial enough, and its before 1869, they likely would colonise it before japan could, though they may colonise it after 1869 without any regard for the japanese. Realistically they'd mainly just need ports, right? So they may just make agreements with japan for a couple port towns. I'm skeptical that britain would colonise japan, though they likely would find ways to keep the japanese somewhat tied to them, to prevent troubles in trade routes.
That's my thoughts at least. I'm not much a historian.
Well as they say never say never
We could do with a bit of extra land 😂
Can't imagine British descended Serbian gopniks
Now what if Ukraine colonized Siberia together with russia ? Like a sibling empire
Bro what 💀💀
@@Zckl.64 idk green Ukraine
I think a better version would be - what if the Kievan Rus survived and colonized Siberia.
@@KingGeorgeV1914 what ? The kievam rus isn't Ukraine
@@ImperialZorn686Kievan Rus is the predecessor to Ukraine while Mosocovy is predecessor to Russia you did not know?
Anglo-Russians... Holy shit.
I like scenarios where british empire dominates world
you aren’t cooking bro what is this timeline
I ca't enter the discord
Poland-Lithuanian Commonwealth could takeover Russia.
WHA
british gulags 👀
don't have to suspend too much disbelief, Sweden nearly won the Northern War in our timeline all by themselves. With English support, they absolutely would have won.
russia, the new most rectangular country
Let's get zis American comrade Слава России
What if Britain colonised Japan