Famicom AV Mod vs Twin Famicom
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2015
- Vinnk sent Sean a Famicom modded with AV outputs, but did Sean get exactly what he thought he was getting? We compare the video output of different Famicom systems using our trust Mother cartridge (or Earthbound Beginnings, as it's now known on Wii U Virtual Console).
There were some other cool things in the box, but you'll just have to watch to find out what they are!
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SeanOrange is a retro game fan from the US. Vinnk is a retro import fan who took things one step further and moved to Japan. Together they make Famicom Dojo: a web series dedicated exploring the Japanese history of video games and consoles from the other side of the Pacific.
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The AV mod has been done incorrectly, taking the video signal directly from the ppu pin 21 and using the proper amplifier gives us a really clean image, just like the Twin Famicom or the NES
tomoya97 If you could do a video or upload a few images, with side notes, that would be very helpful. Since I do plan on importing a famicom and everdrive n8, becase PAL games are expensive. It would be greatly appreciated.
Casey Williams
I Have not done this yet, here is the link of a forum where they touch this topic: forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10554
tomoya97 thank you
"Sweet, Vinnk sent me a grenade from World War 2! W-where's the pin...?"
Roxie ღ wha?
*****
It's a silly, dumb joke relating to the fact that Vinnk forgot to send him everything for the Famicom.
In that he sent something from Japan(a grenade) and he forgot the pin.
Roxie ღ dang
I think that was the PC engine nerd
Atsuko Kagari the twin famicom turbo is like the ps4pro or xbox scorpio
I got that power supply for my famicom. Only difference is mine has a second jack so I can connect it to a FDS at the same time!
***** Aren't you on UK power, though? This one doesn't go up to 220V (and needs a plug adapter).
Famicom Dojo
I am, Like all my import consoles, I use it through a step down converter.
***** Oh, duh, of course. Which I would have realized if I'd thought about it for even two seconds. :S
Famicom Dojo
I fried my Japanese Dreamcast once not using one :(
+Larry Bundy Jr Rip Larry's Jp Dreamcast.
Suddenly, the lyrics to "Starman" (which incidentally, inspired the Starmen from "Mother") make a lot more sense...
"Turn on on your TV, you may pick him up on Channel 2"... I always though it was weird that the alien was broadcasting on the radio, but somebody thought that one might be able to receive the transmission on a television. Now I know why. I wouldn't have known from first-hand experience, the channels that analog TVs can pick up have started at Channel 3 as far back as I can remember.
For some TVs, an audio splitter cable is not required. If you connect only one audio cable (usually to the left speaker), the TV automagically duplicates the audio on the right.
Glad I watched this video first before ordering a Twin Famicom... Now I know which one to buy. Subbed.. Awesome channel guys!
Sean, all you have to do is cut 1 pin and the jail bars should disappear. If you want to preserve the RF, you have to cut a trace and solder a simple jumper wire.
You did magic with the extension port cover XDD
Nice video. Thank you guys
can u replace the thing that spins the disk with cloth or something that wont break? for the disk system
Can the smaller Famicom AC Adapter you showed us be used on American outlets? Or do you need a step-down converter?
Can it be that the soldering is bad ? Maybe you should look it up and see whether a proper mod can output better image than the Twin and possibly take to a electronics repair shop so they clean the mod up for you?
The av modded famicom I bought on eBay wasn't letting expansion audio go through, so games like the Famicom version of Castlevania 3 were missing parts of the music. I brought it to my brother yesterday and he helped fix it. It turns out in trying to make a pseudo stereo mod, the seller didn't account for the extra sound channels that certain game utilize, so what my brother did was he cut the wire that was connected to pin 45 for the mod and soldered it to pin 46. He then cut the trace to pin 45. That allowed the standard audio channels and expansion audio channels to go through. You should probably check some fds games and game with extra sound chips to make sure they sound right on your av mod.
I just bought a famicom (and a disk system) in tokyo and at home i noticed it already had an AV Mod + Cable, after i found on the original had an RF connection. I feel lucky. Just fiddling around now with the power supply (european here). I ordered a 9v, 1000mA one, hope that ones will work.
I got that power supply when I ordered my Super Famicom, and I thought I was going to have to use my regular Famciom power supply since it has the same specs as a Super Famicom plug would.
Vinnk where can I get one of those my RF on my famicom is getting really bad
My method for AV modding a Famicom does involve drilling holes in the case, however since the RF is no longer used (I can keep it intact, I just have to be really careful cutting the shield), I just pull the RF shield off and place the phono jacks on the back (as would have likely been standard). The console remains cosmetically intact and looks just like a normal Famicom from every angle except the back, and you don't have to worry about wrapping another cord up with the console.
The only issue with this is I haven't had to deal with modding a GPM-series Famicom (like the one you got in the mail), but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
The reason the AV modded Famicom has those "jailbars" as they're known to modders is interference from a CPU address line running right next to the PPU Pin 21 video signal. The way to fix it is to carefully remove pin 21 from the board and take the video signal from it directly unlike what this modder has done, taking it from the RF box after it's passed through amplification and correction and signal "cleanup". If it's done correctly, jailbars are greatly reduced or nonexistent. Vinnk should get his money back for this mod.
Ooh! What is the GPM series, and what gives this one away as one of them?
The ([VCI]) sticker on the bottom does. when you opened it up, the one-piece construction did as well. If you were to open it up fully and look at the board revision, it'd probably be an HVC-CPU-GPM-02 board.
A while back I decided to get my Famicom modded. The mod that I got physically removed the RF box and put an av plug into that same RF plug plus it removed the video bars on it so I have it plugged into my HD TV. Plus, I found a Famicom to NES controller adapter (plugs right into the controller port on the Famicom) so I've been playing so many games on it since I can use my NES controllers on it.
I went with an AV Famicom because I figured I probably wouldn't be playing any microphone games anyway.
That said, if I want to get some later... is it possible to rewire a microphone controller to work with an NES plug? If not, are there any microphones that plug into the accessory port?
TBustah That all depends on whether or not the pins on the NES-style port on the AV Famicom connect to the main board in the same way, AND of that hardware even exists o the AV Famicom main board. Even if you could, it sounds like more trouble than it's worth -- although I'm general I would LOVE to have a Famicom controller that I could plug into any NES-style port.
does vinnk still host risingsun.com or no? Ordered a sharp twin fami and it was fantastic, was looking to import more. Any tips on where I should go?
ShinRockman Sadly that is long gone. I still do some sales on Gamegavel and Facebook but not nearly as much as I used to. Go to www.japanretrodirect.com and you can find me.
The av mod is just badly done that is all. You can send it to GameTechUS
so he can do a proper av mod for you :) my famicom is also av moded and there are no lines whatsoever it depends on the person who did the mod.
***** GameTechUS kevtris in that case, maybe will be better to wait for the HDMI NES board and will be no reason to have any AV famicom. (well, except for the microphone thing)
And the disk system. Currently there is no physical way to connect the ram adapter to the front loader
***** There are, you just need to chain adapters together.
I know that you can use a gamegenie then a nes to famicom adapter and then the ram adapter but it just looks ugly . Someone should make an nes cartridge style ram adapter i think it wont be that hard to reverse engineer how the ram adapter works
***** already has, and once I get a spare RAM adapter, I will too.
I love you guys will you start posting reviews with Vink again?
Where did you get the mono to stereo splitter? I looked online but I cant find one that converts the red mono to red and white stereo.
WhyDoIHave ToUseMyRealName? It's just mono to dual-mono. I'm pretty sure I picked it up at RadioShack.
that adfapter is awesome. is there any on ebay? id like to get one so I can put a way my original one like you just in case it gets burned out
Is the twin famicom better then the famicom with disk system?
If you are using AV cables, yes. If you want to use RF for some reason then the famicom is better, the twin famicom can do RF but the cable is harder to find but the base famicom need to be modded for AV.
thank you for the video , can you please weight the twin famicom ? digitally please if you can. thanks
do you think that will actually work
What channel do you set the TV to when using an av modded famicom?
Michael Vaught This depends on the TV. Some have an EXT, AV (or AV1, AV2), or INPUT "channel" below Channel 02. Otherwise you need a remote to access the AV input mode.
Ok. But you don't have to put it on channel 95 or 96 right? My TV sadly doesn't go that high. Stops at 69 and I really want a Nintendo Famicom.
Michael Vaught Set it to Cable mode instead of Antenna mode
Can someone tell me if i can use the new Smash Bros GC controller on an actual gamecube.
(I don't see why it shouldn't work just checking before purchase)
Yup, it's just a regular GameCube controller. Enjoy!
Thanks.
I honestly wish I could find a working red twin famicom, but eBay never seems to have any that are clean and working
Famicom Dojo
So in modding the famicom for av you get the video signal from the PPU's 21st pin, 5v volts of power would usually be taken directly from the power regulator of the famicom, audio is taken from the cartridge connecter's 46th pin which would be the famicom's audio out (grounded to the 1st pin on the cartridge connector usually) . the video, audio, and the power have their respective grounds to close the circuits without short-circuiting anything.
That "black box thing" you described is a capacitor ( a polorizied one, mind you and depending on the modder and their methods can be of varying microfarad μF values, I myself have used 220μF in the past)
From there the methods can become more stylistic so to speak (In the sense that the ends are the same but the means vary from modder to modder), my friend ***** and I have modded a few famicoms.
If anyone has questions or would like to have their famicoms modded, hit us up.
i believe the Siper Famicom power works with the original famicom i got a boxed third party adapter that advertised that it worked on SFC and the Famicom when i got my Super Famicom
Wits is such a cool game!
"Damn it" there there Sean
I wonder how hard it would be to put the guts of the av famicom into the famicom case.
Have you tried hooking up the RF to a VCR? I've seen some videos that say that you can run it through a VCR.
Of course! That's how we captures our original footage for the show. However, the RF interference is still there, so it's not a good way to side-step the underlying problem.
OK, another thing. Did Vinnk finally send you those replacement bands?
Game-Runner Spoilers!
Famicom Dojo To be fair, you did kind of spoil it in your podcast.
The Pixel Polygon Yeah, I have the replacement bands now.
I just got a famicom off ebay and it looks just like that
I lack the tools, the experience, the knowledge, to desolder and redo the mod, but I might just end up figuring it all out cause I really am let down by it
Why is know one talking about that pretty box?
When you AV mod an original famicom you should install filtering capacitors on the board at the same time. Everyone one of the famicom's I've modded looks at least as good as the later AV famicom.
Ya, both the original Famicom and the NES 2 have the jail bar issues which are more apparent when you mod them for AV.
Wit's is super fun. I highly recommend it
I Have Famicom(japan) CPU -07
it's working Great pic And Sound... ! :)
can you please send me one of your family computer system
Just an FYI: The AV mod for the original Famicom isn't actually outputting stereo audio; it's duplicating a mono feed out both pins.
+OchaTime He mentions it in the video. I've heard from conflicting sources that the Genesis Model 1 may or may not do the same thing with the headphone jack.
The headphone jack does send true stereo, but the av output does not.
I wish i could have that Modded AV Famicom.
the av famicom isnt modded
Get that RGB mod and all will be good in the world.
Or if you don't want to go the expensive XRGB route, then there is always the HI-DEF NES route that can be installed into a AV Famicom.
Trust me, it makes a huge difference. If you have a Sony PVM to hook up the RGB modded NES/Famicom to, then all is really good in the world.
And then have to hunt down a TV to play it...? Enh...
Not necessarily; a PVM is just the best screen for 240p/480i sources in my opinion.
There are RGB to HDMI upscalers that work for HDTVs, but I would only recommend one: the XRGB Framemeister. It comes at a cost of $300, but what you get with it is simply amazing, especially if you have never seen a console output true RGB before. There are cheaper alternatives available on Amazon, but their process of converting the analogue signal involves multiple steps of post processing, which of course just oversaturates/sharpens the picture and introduces more input lag to your HDTV that will already have it.
There is also the Hi-Def NES modkit I mentioned in my OP which installs a HDMI FPGA board into the console to internally encode the analogue signal to digital and output directly through HDMI to your HDTV without any scaler. This also introduces zero input lag and looks great with proper adjustment of the scaling options. It's also relatively cheaper than the XRGB depending on what an installer will charge.
I'd recommend My Life In Gaming or Phonedork on here (youtube) for more detailed information if you're in any way curious. Obviously I think it's worth the money if you're a big enough retro gaming fan that doesn't want to bother with emulation.
wow I'm really glad you did this, I was debating on buying an AV famicom, Modding my spare famicom, or buying a modded one, glad I already have a twin famicom with yes bad disk drive too, :( but wow thanks.
As other commenters have said, there is a way to clean up this mod so it looks as nice as the Twin, so I wouldn't totally wrote this off.
I just think the mod on your Famicom was done poorly/, which might be causing the interference. I would look into the RGB mod some people have already mentioned, or just have the composite mod redone by someone who knows what they are doing. Also I don't think i can ever go back to using RF for anything beyond local HDTV, my Atari 2600JR, and Intelevision consoles I want too leave pure as they came from the factory.
Switch mode power supply vs linear power supply. Switch turns off and uses almost nil at the outlet when not in use, linear is always live and always drawing power.
I want one of your famicom
an av mod that is resoning between the famicom community is the VAMP FAMICOM an easy mod for the famicom (depending of the version) so you can finally have famicom modded without destroying the original famicom case
Is that this guy? czcams.com/video/q5K_V7I1eTQ/video.html
Someone should modify the Controller cords that they should be 2 or 3x longer. 6 ft atleast.
You need to do an RGB video. :p
I prefer to be as original as possible with retro gaming but if finances are a problem (rare games) or its near impossible for it to work the original way (RF Famicoms), then I think modding is OK.
I don't personally mod Famicoms but I know some people who do pretty good mods (I live in Japan and collect & sell retro games) so if anyone's looking for an AV mod Famicom and can't find one anywhere else I may be able to help (personally I think they're overvalued most of the time but it's probably a good deal if it's your only way to play retro games the way you want to).
6:12 saw your refelection
If the mod was done correctly the RF would be disabled.
It's a easy mode to do and involves very few parts,hell I would offer to mod yours for free.
Well, I've literally heard the Twin Famicom have more muffled sound than other Famicom/NES systems (via Game Sack), so as an audiophile noob, I can't have that shit and must pass on the Twin and the Turbo Twin.
Side note: Do you guys have any interest in getting a NESRGB mod and enjoying the wonders of S-Video or RGB from a Famicom? Or how about that Analogue NT?
Too bad Sean, you should have spent your har earned cash on NESRGB mod your AV Famicom instead. That mod makes the picture quality look awesome!!
Is there really a danger of having a Japanese power adopter burning out when used with a US power outlet for an extended period of time? I've had my Japanese PS2 (which has an internal power supply) plugged in an American outlet for well over a decade now with no problems, but hearing that you had a Famicom power supply burn out kind of worries me...!
Those vertical lines are called "jailbars". They're interference, all right. But a pain in the ass to fix and prevent.
12:07 Think he’s right, think I’ve seen the turbo twin Famicom before but it seems to be the rarest hardware version to find lol
12:17 I’ve seen this issue of these replacement belts in 4:17 from this fds video: czcams.com/video/9MD3Jz1TSbo/video.html
are you thinking of giving away some famicoms?
NERO HIROHITO Nope.
famicom is my first retro concole! yay am 5
:(
Mygingerguy am ten actually shortcuts m8
The famicom and the cartridges give me an impression of like cheap plastic, i like how all NES cartridges have an uniform design and look, and the cosole itself looks very modern. I'm excluding the disk system which looks amazing.
That difference in perception by Western consumers is precisely the reason the NES and SNES got redesigns in this hemisphere.
Well, I'm from europe, I like how the super famicom and PAL SNES look, i think that it's better than the american one, but i do prefer the western NES design more than famicom for the previous reasons, the famicom looks cool too tho.
wrong.
the Titler is the Famicom to own.
Could I have the AV Famicom?
You're free to get one from a retro shop in Japan like I did. ;)
That's Orange OK
+That's Orange super potato well...
Bu, bu, but... what about the Famicom Titler?!
+kamiotokonoko You got 2 grand to spare for a Famicom Titler.
That is how much they are going for on eBay right now.
+kamiotokonoko In case you're wondering, the Famicom Titler has easily the best video output. It has an entirely new PPU and support s-video output.The only way to get better than that on real hardware is to RGB mod a Famicom/NES.
The titler is also the easiest to mod for RGB support, it's PPU actually outputs RGB and it uses a converter to change to S-video.
So if you find the RGB signal points you can port those signals to the outside of the case, you can tap into ether composite video or S-video's Luma for sync
Having a famicom modded,for composite out is better then rf but it's not perfect.Though,now there is a RBG mod that can be used on a nes&famicom.
www.etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=207
can i have one of the ones that dont work ? XD
1. Can I have a broken one? 2. Please make a new video.
you think that looks good? check this out: czcams.com/video/43dzrCAfU3A/video.html
*It was badly modded You need to fix it dude!* 👎