How To Ruin An NHL Superstar
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2023
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The Calgary Flames are a complete mess. We break down how & why their best players (Jonathan Huberdeau) have seemingly lost their ability to play quality NHL Hockey.
Please check out this incredible breakdown on Huberdeau from Vanessa Kezwer of Sportsnet.
www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/... - Sport
Wow, this is by far one of the best breakdowns as to why Huberdeau's performing the way he is. Excellent work.
He's literally just copying the sportsnet article and linking it in the description as if that makes it ok.
All this guy does is watch and cherry-pick some highlights and Bable. I can tell he hasn't watched a single Flames game in the last several seasons because we do inject into our offence, our defence pinch constantly.
This guy wants us to change the entire structure of the team for one player. When we don’t even have the personnel to play a east west system, and on top of that there isn’t a single team in the Western Conference that plays east west. You play east west in the west you’re not gonna win any games.
Look at Huberdeau's body language when he’s on the ice. He doesn’t move his feet. He seems disinterested. He doesn’t have the self-esteem to make passes and gives the puck away a lot. Heuberdeau has had two explosive seasons in his career. Other than that he is a 70pt player. There is a reason why he didn't win any awards when he put up 115pts.
The Flames haven't ruined Huberdeau's career, he has done that himself.
@@nickbomb0995same with Kadri?
Whinny, snort snort.@@planetcaravan2925
@@ziggle5000 and misleading at the start too, it sounds like he had a bad year and then got this contract... he got it after the record breaking year w Florida, before he had even played a game for the flames
Huberdeau never relied off barkov but the chemistry with them is what made him great
Please translate to English.
Yes, it was obvious his production would drop in Calgary but not this much. One of the hazards of giving a 30 yo player a big contract based on a single peak season.
Panthers fan here, I'm devastated to see what's happening with him in Calgary. Really hope there's change for him, whether it be in Calgary or somewhere else (not that I see him going anywhere else without Calgary keeping a ton of salary).
GREAT breakdown of why things are so different in Calgary vs Florida.
Cats fan, me too dude it socks for him and its sad for us because we loved him and Weegar here. I hope he can turn things around or come back to FL.
As another panthers fan Calgary needs to change up how they play if they want huberdeau to produce. He could hit 100 points easy if he they play a rush system.
Did you guys not pay attention outside of the "highlights" it was so obvious LOL
@@MountRweegar was garbage. I love the Panthers but the fans are questionable
yea this has been my conclusion as well. He was an amazing playmaker and great at seeing the offensive zone. If he is doing this bad in Calgary suddenly, then clearly its because the organization doesnt care to adapt to Huberdeaus strengths, they are sternbrowing him into playing in a different environment. Its really just bad management. Probably the least of the blame should go to Huberdeau. I can't imagine how frustrated he must be.
Huberdeau is a creative play-maker and player. Florida was a creative, play making team. The Flames are a little more old-school. They have added creative playmakers to their lineup, recently more young rookies. Initially that would work, but they are adding creative players to a rigid, discipline focused system, expecting it to work. This is why it is known that they have the pieces to win, but are struggling because of this. A north/south system requires grit and speed. The flames have those factors, but when you add more creative players a conflict of interest begins, and wins become out of reach. This is why the flames are so inconsistent. They wan't to be multiple things at once, and that conflict of interest is killing their identity, and their chances of winning.
That doesn't explain why Matt Tkachuk did well in Calgary and Florida, or why Gaudreau is a puddle of slag in Columbus. I think it's something else, especially since this happened all through the Iginla era, the 90s, and even the 80s teams underachieved outside of '89 and arguably '86. (Don't "Edmonton was unfairly stacked" me, those Flames were widely acknowledged as the only other team that could match them on paper.) It's like there's something in the water up there that makes them...well, lazy, for lack of a better way to describe it.
This is a very interesting take. It’s hard to see when your watching an ice hockey game. I’m kinda new to hockey analysis but I’m slowly learning “systems”
@@BeastOfMetal1989well if you've seen any Tkachuk play (father & sons) you know they can play however you want. As far Johnny in Columbus they have the same thing cooking with less talented offensive parts. Also the 80's Flames weren't as good as Edmonton guy for guy with the "tòp" guys but overall they were right there.
@@BeastOfMetal1989 each player has their own way and culture of playing. Tkachuk adapts well, thanks to his father and brother. Gaudreau is used to having strong linemates, and in CBJ, all he really has at his level is Laine, if that at all. Calgary has had more players who struggle than succeed in the team. It's true. I think that can be credited to the culture and similiar coaching styles that they had. Badger Bob and Crispy were adaptive and creative, but they let the guys like Theo and Lanny strut their stuff. Sutter.... not so much.
No. He's lost his confidence. Can't pass, can't handle the puck and he's so weak. No he's got to go. Got his way getting rid of Sutter. No excuses now. Unless this is an old video you don't have a clue.
Great breakdown. Clearly Huberdeau isn't a bad player....worth $10 million, that's debatable but he's definitely got the skills. The Flames need to figure out their system and do it fast.
Management of the FLAMES are CLUELESS.....
Geez at least watch the systems in place by the GOLDEN KNIGHTS. OPEN YOUR EYES 👀 CALGARY 😮😮😮😮😮😮
Perhaps they should watch replays of The Canucks.
@mikem9536 perhaps but why watch 2nd when you can watch THE STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS 🏆
Very few wingers are worth $10m.
Don’t believe anyone is really worth 10 mil but he definitely was an top 20 player in the league and now he’s a laughing stock. It’s so strange how big of a drop off he has had
we would love to have him back in Florida. I just don’t see how it would be possible with his contract. As a fan it hurts to see him so miserable
Florida don't play that run and gun anymore. They couldn't win that way in the playoff so they ditch it along with Huberdeau. He wouldn't be any better in Florida now.
@@nerinamak3298 Not quite on the level they did before Paul Maurice but their D still activates a lot more and I think Huby would work in his system. He might not be 115 points again but he would be plenty effective and you can't discredit how much happier he'd be back in Florida which absolutely affects how people play.
no thanks, Huby leaving was the best thing that happened to FLA in a while. fan since 96. why would you want him back when he's not producing like he was. nothing is guaranteed. Zito traded him cause he wasn't emotionally tied to him like Tallon was. dont forget he said he didn't care about being down 3 games to Tampa...
@@dtmuffinman I watch just about all of the Calgary games this year and it is ugly. He's losing every puck battle, non of his passes are connecting, he doesn't play any defense at all and he's not moving half of the time, he's just standing at the blue line waiting for passes. He looks like a guy who can't wait to get off the ice so can he go cash his fat paycheck. We all should be happy Zito didn't make the same mistake they did. In any case nobody is going to touch that contract even if they eat half of it.
He's doing what Kadri is doing, making that retirement money by doing nothing and getting paid well
thank you for the excellent analysis of the situation with visual examples. Great content
As a panthers fan, Huby was INSANE his last year here. I was absolutely sad and angry when we traded him for chucky.
I was too, but last season changed that for me.
I wasnt - i was happy to see him go. He was a locker room cancer and Barkov is a better player now with someone like Tkachuk on his team
No way you were mad 💀 I can’t BELIEVE the Flames would ever make that trade.. I guess Weegar is nice but Tkachuk is really good (even though he’s struggled so far this season).
Isn't it funny how Treliving got a promotion for screwing up so badly?
Treliving couldn’t have known Huberdeau would regress this quickly
Yeah now he’s Toronto’s problem
Always tough to know how a player who has only ever played for one team would adapt to a new system at the age of 30 lol.
But on top of that, the fact he got anything with ant worth other than draft picks for a player that went to the media and told them he had no intent to play for Calgary.
To me what's more mind blowing, is how little people these days understand business or even a slight amount of psychology.
@@jameson1239 You're right, which is why he shouldn't have signed him to an 8 year deal before he ever played a game for Calgary
@@spearson103 problem is huberdeau very likely wouldn’t have signed there and you wouldn’t have gotten anything for tkachuck
I wonder if Calgary is even looking back at what was working with Huberdeau back in Florida.
If Huberdeau was an elite player, he would be able to adapt his game to the system in Calgary. His success was not because of skill set but because of the system in Florida. That is quite evident at this point. The Flames panicked and tried to get a return on Tkachuk before losing him. Florida, being savvy, knew that Huberdeau was one-dimensional (he sits in the same spot waiting for the outlet pass) and were able to sell him at his peak.
When Huberdeau first joined the Flames, he was racking up the assists...and the Flames were winning. But then the media and Sutter criticized him for not scoring goals of his own. So Huberdeau obediently tries to score more and the Flames started to lose, and those same folks were praising his new effort; very weird in my opinion. His ability to feed the puck shouldn't be a liability. I think he is conflicted in trying to make a poor system work versus supporting his line mates that have better scoring chances. I don't blame Huberdeau, to me he looks like he is trying too hard to please the coaches.
Some idiots value goal scoring more than playmaking even though they don't seem to understand that one a player gets a goal or an assist a goal gets scored just the same.
he was never a goal scorer. He is and will only be a play maker. The goals need to come naturally on rebounds or just being left wide open or having other guys set him up. He isnt anywhere near a top player in the NHL, he never was a top line guy he just played with a bunch of other really good guys that brought his game up. He didnt start producing until Jagr came to the Panthers. Then when the team loaded up with decent and skilled players his numbers grew again. He is a pass first, shoot 10th kind of guy.
@@jimmyzarkis6276 He's got one of best the passing abilities in the game, all he needs is a dynamic team that can play to his skillset.
I said exactly this when it happened, the first week of last year it looked like he was gonna be worth the contract, then everything got changed and he was stuck on his off wing and suddenly he was no good anymore. This above all else is why I wanted Sutter gone.
@@jimmyzarkis6276 yeah you get it
If Calgary retained half his contract, I'd take him on Vancouver in a heartbeat.
Any team would take him in a heartbeat if Calgary retained half his salary.
Best analyst in the game. Better than any paid analysts on television. It's detailed yet so simple. Suscribed.
He did almost none of the work here and is just ripping off the article he linked in the description lmao
A great breakdown. Thanks man
Huberdeau didn’t want to leave Miami, but Brad Treliving took him in order for Matthew Tzachuk to be shipped to the Panthers.
Yeah I read the Sportsnet article also.
Amazing work! thanks for sharing your perspective.
Flames brought in Kadri and Hubi, both are very creative players with very strong personalities....those two should be setting the style of play, not the yesterday coaches or the plodders who fill out the roster. The identity of the team changed, but the hold overs are too unaware to see that. This team needs a dif coach who recognizes the aptitudes, and sets fresh expectations up to use them. There are so many teams now in the league, but not talent, hockey IQ, or adaptability to go around.
Funny that you mention their offensive system isn't creative as huska early on was talking about allowing players to be more creative in the o zone. It seems like the players are completely lost with whatever system coach is trying to implement
It's videos like this that the teams watch, take notice and change their strategy. Extra info on opposing teams gives teams more of an edge and can change outcomes of games
might neutral zone puck possession bring defenders up into offense zone?
Great video! had a feeling it had to do something with the system. Guys like him don’t just decline like that.
I love this channel. The channel name is a true reflection of the context created.
These videos are exactly what the hockey world needs. I absolutely love these breakdowns, well done!
he stole the content from a female Sportsnet reporter who did all the actual work, link in the description.
Well I think you've made your point about Huberdeau being under-utilized or mired in a system that doesn't suit his talents. But I think the bigger point that is being missed here is that he is not an "elite" player. Huberdeau should not be number one on your team's depth chart. Huberdeau should not be making top 10 in the league money. In a 12 year career he's only put up "elite" numbers twice. To be considered "elite" (IMO) you need to do that consistently. For the majority of his career he's been getting paid for what he's going to do. And he hasn't really done it yet has he. Huberdeau's key to success in the NHL is for people to just stop calling him "elite" and recognize him for what he is...
Yea - the talent around him was elite (Barkov, Jagr, etc)
@@esotericveritasnaw, huberdeau was definitely elite. You can argue that huberdeau was the better panther than barkov during huberdeau's tenure as a panther.
@@zayanalam9828 So he put up some good numbers for a few years - but real elite players make the players around them better. Huby was not a true leader but rather a locker room cancer. He cared more about personal stats and partying than winning.
Seems like the flames are playing borderline 2 line pass rule era hockey with those tactics.
Huberdeau needs someone to pass to is the problem, they have ZERO goal scoring talent. Let Toffoli walk, signed Kadri(Wtf is wrong with them!)
They played huberdeau with TOFF a lot last season . If you’re being paid 10.5 mill a season you should be able to elevate your line.
have you watched him pass? Passes to nobody, passes into the feet, passes to the other team. He's a turnover machine. I hope he turns it around as a Flames fan and for his sake...but man he looks completely lost.
Scorers isn't the problem. Gauderau made lindholm and Monahan look like ovechkin. Huberdeau is sadly just not interested. He looks completely turned off
Kadri is a ahler at best😂😂😂 it's embarrassing having him on the team acting like he's a good hockey player
@@nichonr95 💯
Flames fan here
I know Huber can be good. But that doesn't change the fact he lost his confidence
They have moments of cohesion. They have shown they can do stuff, I've seen these flashes in games. But once the pressure is on, they just collapse inwards and forget the system.
But weirdly enough...that Dallas game showed they can pull it together. Yeah we lost, but we actually put up a decent fight against a really good team so...
Do I expect Huber to get 100 points this season? No. But do I think they can work through their issues...maybe. But I think they need to accept that maybe...they won't be a Cup team for a bit until they figure out their system, not trying to make the old one work.
major respect to zadorov.. so glad he moved to vancouver tbh! he was able to name the problems with the team and moved when they weren't being addressed.
Top notch breakdown yet again
send this video to calgary coaching staff
You put out some pretty incredible hockey content, its obvious you have deep understanding of the game.
Great detailed video!
Scoring a 100 points in Florida where nobody gives a crap about hockey is easier than scoring 50 points in a Canadian market...
exactly. i would also add that this problem even was existent 2 years ago in the playoffs. they almost lost in the first round then were destroyed by EDM. Also remember too that Huberdeau was the most scoring LW whos own team didnt want him. it was a long year of no contract talks between he and the team.
4:47 I see a LOT of issues with him fitting into this new system, this system not suiting his skill set or play style, rather than just him being caught not moving his feet etc… it seems apparent, even from this video, that I’d be more willing to put “the” blame on Calgary’s play style/calling than on Huberdeau himself. I feel like he would be or IS frustrated with what he’s being assigned to or how he’s being told to play… he knows very well where he’s good, and this isn’t it. As a Wild fan, I hope that comes across as unbiased. 😁
One heck of a break down!
Again, where did your Intro Clip go?
I initially predicted 2 of the following 3 Canadian teams will make the playoffs: Calgary, Ottawa, and Vancouver. Vancouver is looking good, Ottawa so far a little iffy, and Calgary...well, no.. Montreal is a real surprise and am now wondering if I got my prediction wrong.
It's also a fairly well established phenomenon across most sports that players have reduced production their first year after a trade and then pick up in their second. He's currently tied for points leader with 15(11 assists) so we'll see how he does.
The players and fans blamed Sutter last year but its now obvious it wasn't the coach but someone in the locker room.
Did you watch the video???
Huska was the assistant coach... to Darryl. It shouldn't be shocking to see that he mimics the north/south game. This is absolutely not ONLY on the coaching, but the style of play doesn't work for our star players and these are the results.
As a long time die hard Flames since I was 11. Seeing this should be a wake up call for the owner to allow a rebuild.
As long as fans go to the Dome, the owners won't care if the team needs a rebuild or not.
The owner is too busy counting the half billion dollars the city gave him to care about pesky little things like the team.
Greay analysis. One comment. I can't see how a guy is always standing still or flat footed in a picture because everyone is standing still.
Don't you just love when management blames players rather than themselves?
They refuse to look in the mirror.
It's an entirely new team. Florida went to the cup finals. The problem is Calgary, not the players.
Best hockey analysis and videos out there on this channel
It's all starts at the coaching position. It ain't to late bring in new coach and restructure this team.
What do you think about the flames a month later?
Great analysis of why he’s a skilled player
Nice to see a video about the flames being broken for change (oilers fan😂)
As a panthers fan I’m devastated for huby but happy we got Chucky, for years we were the laughing stock of the league and Im glad we are out of that era
I just realized I'm a cat's fan. I'm also a lifelong Wings fan. But as a Wings fan, I've gotten to see how good and underrated Florida has been for about a decade now, as you guys always kill us. I found myself cheering for the cats during the playoffs the last couple years. And now I'm constantly defending Huberdeau to Canadian fans who didn't really watch him when he was in Florida and call him a bum. I guess I'm also a Florida fan, until the year my guys in red are also in the playoffs.
Anyway, it's been ridiculous for the cat's to have been a laughing stock, but they were even though their brand of hockey has been extremely exciting and fun to watch, and for longer than just the last two seasons when hockey fans in general started to notice them. I'm glad they're getting the respect they deserve.
You can't make a team of just "grit" and drop a playmaker in it with no other playmakers to play with.
would a neutral zone forecheck help Huberdeau into the offense?
An amazing analysis! Thank you.
Everyone should have expected some drop-off in production after that career year 2 years ago, simply because it was far beyond anything he’s done in his career up to that point. A jump in production that large by a 28-29 year old is usually an outlier, after which there is a regression to the mean. But because people are reactionary fools (including GMs at times) current trends are usually assumed to be a new normal.
With that being said, I wouldn’t have dreamed the drop-off would be THIS big for Huberdeau. I feel bad for him. Tough to get traded from a cup contending team after you’ve done everything the team could has asked of and more.
True. But MANY very good and even elite players have a massive decline on their late 20s/early 30s. Just the nature of the league.
great video breakdown
Thank you for finally talking about this. Ur breakdowns are so advanced bro ur elite at watching hockey
The NJD will take him off your hands for a 4th round pick and a pallet of hockey pucks.
They dont have a play driver, the engine… Johnny Hockey was that
Great breakdown!
Is there anyway that we can make the coach see this and realize he needs a new offensive strategy?
as a fan I feel bad for putting all the blame on him now I see it’s not all his fault .. mans just has no one to play with who can score , lindholm and kadri are non existent mangiapange needs to get it going more cause huby isn’t a score first guy we all know that but damn he might have too
Best hockey channel by far
Why not bring in Joel Quenneville to try and turn this team around?
Huberdeau has been a 60pt player throughout most of his career with 2 amazing seasons. Not a surprise that his production is what it is. Same with Kadri.
The past 5 years he's averaged a pt/gm or better but yeah, they paid for a 100+ pt/yr guy and that's not who he is. He's a good playmaker on a team that struggles to score. And as you said, they did the same with Kadri. Double burn.
Great take. Good Video.
Huberdeau is a thouroughbred and as such he needs to play with other thouroughbreds. For that reason, the flames should pursue Pinto from Ottawa in a trade. You can bet that they would make an explosive pair.
ignoring the money factor ( a huge task ofc, but go with me), but is Huberdeau's historic successful style a fit for the Sabres current system?
He’s always gonna be a playmaker at heart but sometimes u gotta switch it up, stay back after practice fire 100 pucks find your snipe switch to the wing and try your luck. It’s all a mental game.
I'm cheering for Huby to get something this year. I hope he gets his best for the following years or moves out of here.
Living in Calgary Alberta (as a LA Kings fan) there is ZERO hype or ANYONE talking about the Flames since Johnny Hockey left!!
very nice explanation!
Great video
Sadly, I wouldnt say the NHL has any superstars right now. Nobody outside of hockey fans knows who a single player is.
I thought it was Sutters fault?
A bit misleading at the beginning. If Huberdeau was signed after the 2022-2023 season there’s no way he gets that contract. The problem was that he was needing to be extended after a career year.
I noticed that right away, refused to watch past that misleading opener and downvoted it
Funny - I called this the day the trade was made. Hubie's 115 point season was an ANOMALY - not the norm. He's about a point a game player through his whole career. Flames signed him to the contract they offered Tkachuk and as soon as they did I knew he was done for. That's a lot of pressure on a guy who is very talented but is not a driver and only drivers should make that kind of money. See another non-driver and ex-FLame Johnny G who I also predicted would fall off mightily in Columbus. Good luck even trying to trade that contract - he'll be bought out after year 5, maybe even year four, and that's when ..... finally... the Flames will tear down and rebuild. Though I'd do it NOW - as when your new barn is built you want a contending team in there, not a San Jose Shark team
100% agree
They really ought to change their systems to fit the players they have, NOT try to force the players into a system they're not used to. I don't think a rebuild is necessary (with the names they have, they should be good enough for a WC spot, at least), but some changes to the coaching staff and tweaking their gameplan is an absolute MUST. These players are too good to be competing with the Sharks for the 1st overall pick :(
I forgot that Calgary had a hockey team. This video was a good reminder for me.
Huberdeau is so lucky he signed that monster 10.5 million per year deal. Because he’s only worth 2 million league minimum. I would rather have Milan Lucic
Treliving left that franchise in shambles. Huberdeau and Kadri contract are disasters.
As a Flames fan I do believe Pelletier would’ve really helped this team and a defender like Kylington would’ve helped as well, but with defenders like Weegar, Andersson and Hanifin, they should be able to do these things.
Guys like Magiapane, Lindholm, Dube, Kadri, Pelletier and Zary should be able to create things.
The offence is so stale compared to the modern day NHL. Playing chip and chase hockey or north south isn’t good enough today.
Conroy literally said he wanted a structured defensive system with creative, fast hockey in the offensive zone and they haven’t done it at all this year
You can try to put whatever spin on this that you want, in no way shape or form is Huberdeau worth that 80 million dollar contract!! Not even close
Huberdeau is at a stand still when he gets the puck because, in part, the defensemen are too slow at transitioning the puck up ice.
I love this channel.
Well said! The Flames were dependent on Gaudreau to break into the zone and set up shop, when he left, they resorted to just really basic, easily readable tactics, and/or simply tossing the puck into one of the corners. As a Flames fan, I watch most games, and we get so many more chances due to forechecking then we do trying to actually follow plays and designed tactics. It ain't working and I really hope they can refine it the next two months and come back after holiday break refreshed.
The Flames have some very creative players...why can't they work together? The coach needs to make the system fit the talent.
Jagr Lemieux had the exact positional play. I went to a few games back in the day.
Essentially Calgary lost Tkachuk and Gaudreau but gained Huberdeau and Kadri.
Of the four only Tkachuk has lived up to expectations. Calgary also has two disgruntled pending UFA’s in Lindholm and Hanifin. They are where the Jets were last year with Scheifele and Hellebuyck.
The Dube situation now adds more drama to an, at best, disappointing season so far. I don’t envy rookie GM Craig Conroy, as he may be a one and done.
I’ve asked this before because I’m new and I haven’t seen a video like it before, but you could you explain a step by step tutorial on how to analyze a hockey game? What to look for? What type of systems are likely at play and how to determine if it’s good or not.
Huberdeau has to accept some responsibility for his underwhelming play in Calgary, for sure. However, as alluded to in this video, it’s evident that the culture and coaching in Calgary are too conservative for some offensively-minded and creatively gifted players. Management’s job is to identify not just good players, but in particular, good players with attributes & skills that mesh well with the team’s coaching tactics & philosophy. Putting Huberdeau on this Flames roster is kind of like trying to put your left shoe on your right foot. It’s still a shoe, so it kind of works, but it’s definitely not a great fit.
Thanks for breaking this down because it literally did not make sense to me why he dropped off so badly. Very much appreciated 👍
Can you do a video on dj Smith coaching
Great video fr
It’s so tough to be a fan of a team that’s supposed to be good but isn’t. along with the unsureness of us committing to a rebuild or buying in fully to go for a cup
your describing the fandom of a canucks fan 😂. well, before this year that is
@@connollyingram9466flames too. 16th overall is our favourite draft pick 😭
This video was absolutely fantastic
Calgarys management has no depth.
Much like the corporate culture in Calgary, there’s one way of doing things - not because it works, but because no one knows of a better way
honestly it’s rlly sad seeing huberdeau like this as a panthers fan. I hope he can come back or do something to help improve ☹️
we need longer videos !
Received some education. Thank you.