I can fully agree on that. Bought 3 AWD MT about 2 months ago and first impression (coming from diesel) was that it just lacks torque....Well 200nm less on paper than previois diesel so it's not a suprise..just need to get used to revving a bit more =) Still enough of torque to cruise with 1000rpm but if you need to go fast then its 5krpm+ and then it goes. Consuption has been decreasing a bit when adaptive break in perioid reduces richness and I'm not sure if it's placebo effect but it seems that it has gotten more grunt after first 2.5tkm. Average consumption from day 1 has been now 6.92 (precicely calculated from fuelings and mostly city driving during winter) and lowest reading on longer trips on 80-100km/h highway has been 5.2l which is quite nice for a 180hp AWD car. And it's winter in Finland. Curious to see how low it can go summer time.
I think one of the problems this engine runs into is that people are so used to driving these downsized engines with turbo's, that they expect torque at a lower rev range. They aren't used to driving at higher revs, and when they never put their foot down they kind of miss the point and call the engine underpowered.
I remember your mazda 3 video you are referring to. Perhaps you were at a different elevation or maybe the fuel grade could have dampened the performance. Either way, your honesty and great attention to detail and descriptiveness is very informative and enjoyable. Great job!!
When comparing mpg ... We must remember that Mazda get very close to the advertised figures unlike other marque's.. My cx30 states 45mpg mixed driving and I'm getting 43 mpg
@@thomasduffy3263 hello. We have the 122G spec engine..a proven engine with reliability..there is very little between the engine , paying the £ extra just not worth it for us... Search the CX30/mazda3 forums.. the X spec has faults.. since originally posting our mpg is 42mpg around town and 58mpg on a run..
Apparently Mazda USA and Mazda EU offer different engines for different markets. Both the Skyactiv-G and Skyactiv-X are available in the EU, with multiple HP ratings. For EU, two Skyactive-G engines, 120HP and 148HP. The 148HP engine comes standard with cylinder deactivation. Also available is a Skyactiv-X 178P engine. All three are 2.0L engines. Only the Skyactiv-X engine "uses a revolutionary SPCCI (Spark Plug Controlled Compression Ignition) combustion process said to combine the advantages of a conventional petrol engine with the efficiency of a diesel." www.carscoops.com/2020/01/mazda3-and-cx-30-gain-150-ps-2-0l-petrol-engine-in-europe/#:~:text=Mazda%20is%20expanding%20the%20engine,2.0%20122%20M%20Hybrid%20engine. All three are M Hybrid engines, considered a "mild hybrid", meaning their is no electric motor drivetrain component, only regenerative charging of a battery for the idle stop-start feature and powering the navigation and audio systems. czcams.com/video/wnSNQmXGhyE/video.html In the USA there are only two engines available and both are Skyactiv-G technology and both are 2.5L. Standard is a 2.5L, 186 HP, 186 Lb/Ft torque engine. This standard 186HP engine beats all other subcompact SUVs in its size class. Available late 2020 is an optional 2.5L turbocharged, 250HP engine, delivering 310 Lb/Ft torque on 87 octane gas and 250HP, 320 Lb/Ft torque on 93 octane gas. The 34% more horsepower should make for an exhilarating drive. www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/2021-cx-30 The USA MPG ratings are nothing close to to EU 2.0L ratings. The added power has a price. Mazda uses a turbocharger, not a supercharger. They are powered differently. A supercharger uses a belt to drive it, whereas a turbocharger is powered by exhaust recirculation.
I own Mazda CX 30 Skyactive G 2.5 T AWD...love the car, mid acceleration is awesome, like a diesel. But do not by one with white leather seats...lol...the car i had before Mazda had them...if you wear jeans regularly it's very hard to keep it clean.
Thanks for sharing. Was your leather beige or a light color? I love the lighter hues but simply getting in and out of the car means the seats will look dirty and scuffed very quickly.
@@Pit-Stop yes I know. I was just mentioning the probmels that appear on models with cylinder deactivation. I have a Mazda 6 2.5 with this technology and, from what I have read on forums , others have the same issue with their vehicles, (mazda 6, 3)
I personally found the cylinder deactivation noticeable but not annoying. However, I did read that Mazda has been issuing recalls for certain engines with the technology because of some sort of factory fault.
@@Pit-Stop yes they did, but for models up to March 2019. Mine is from October 2019 and the service said that they can't do anything about it and that it's normal. 😐😕☹
I have the CX-30 skyactiv-x Automatic , no awd. and i have also citroen C5 aircross , automatic, no awd , 180 hp also . The CX-30 consuption is 8.5 l/100 average ( only town and classic roads) , the citroen is 9.5 l/100 average. I don't search economy, i drive normally. But, the MAZDA is the best to drive, more pleasure, and more confortable !than the citroen ! ( to smooth..).
Considering your CX-30 is AWD, that's a fairly good result, especially if you don't tend to drive economically on purpose. And I agree, the Mazdas are really lovely to drive.
Whoops, misread! Yeah, that's not the best result, then. I found the X to perform best at suburban speeds. Still, it's a new engine tech and will be interesting to see where they take it with further generations.
I have test driven this X engine in a CX30 and was quite disappointed. As You said You have to rev the shit out of this thing to feel something. In city traffic when You need torque to overtake quickly this car is not moving much. I wanted to buy this car but I left the Mazda yard disappointed without looking back.
I have test driven this X engine of the CX 30 and was quite disappointed. The car is nice but the engine is lame and not much fun to drive. I actually wanted to buy this car when I saw it, but not anymore.
This engine is great... as long as you do not compare it with Volkswagen 1.5TSI, or 1.3 TCI from Renault... Sky-active X is more expensive, it has higher consumption and lower performance then competition...
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Let's just wait for the expenses on those engines in 10 years time and compare it then.
@ the problem is that Mazda needs to sell this engines now, not in 10 years time. Scenario 1: Peter will buy a new car in C class. His budget is 22-25 k eur. He goes on a test drive. He tests golf 1.5tsi and mazda 3 skyactive x. Golf has a way better engine, with more power more torque and less consumption. Mazda is more expensive. Why would Peter choose a Mazda?
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@@TeoSluga Because Peter already had a Renault turbo diesel in the past and he decided not to want a Renault, nor a turbo anymore because of the maintenance burden. (time + cost). And since then Peter has a 2013 Mazda 3 for 2 years, and he saw he didn't have to spend money on it other than regular maintenence tasks, and it has been much more reliable and cheaper even though it's serviced in official mazda services.
@ had in past? Well, past was past, 15-20 years old turbo diesel engines had issues. Not anymore. If Peter would own a 2013 turbo diesel, he would have been very happy.
To achieve the highest MPG, all cars need to be driven slow. With the SkyActive X if you slam it in a lower gear and hit 5K rpm you'll get your horses. Try that in a hybrid and the results will usually be less satisfactory.
@@TeoSluga - Diesel engine options seem to be on the decline. When they were more common the "knock" 😅 on them, at least where I live, was fuel price volatility.
@Brandon Mathewson well, not true, lets summarise what we have here: 180 HP, nowhere to be noticed in when driving, but you certainly pay insurance for that power. Consumption: good if you drive very slow.... Wait what? 180HP and you are not suppose to drive fast? So basically Mazda is saying do not go on the highway? Every 140-150hp modern gasoline engine is better then this one. Comparing power delivery and consumption...
@@TeoSluga, you don't have to go slow, you just have to go at constant speed and low rpm! You only need power for fast acceleration, not for driving with constant speed!
I can fully agree on that. Bought 3 AWD MT about 2 months ago and first impression (coming from diesel) was that it just lacks torque....Well 200nm less on paper than previois diesel so it's not a suprise..just need to get used to revving a bit more =)
Still enough of torque to cruise with 1000rpm but if you need to go fast then its 5krpm+ and then it goes. Consuption has been decreasing a bit when adaptive break in perioid reduces richness and I'm not sure if it's placebo effect but it seems that it has gotten more grunt after first 2.5tkm. Average consumption from day 1 has been now 6.92 (precicely calculated from fuelings and mostly city driving during winter) and lowest reading on longer trips on 80-100km/h highway has been 5.2l which is quite nice for a 180hp AWD car. And it's winter in Finland. Curious to see how low it can go summer time.
That consumption is actually pretty good for an AWD. 5.2l/100km I can fully believe. I feel this car's sweet spots are 50km/h in 6th and 90-110km/h.
I think one of the problems this engine runs into is that people are so used to driving these downsized engines with turbo's, that they expect torque at a lower rev range. They aren't used to driving at higher revs, and when they never put their foot down they kind of miss the point and call the engine underpowered.
I remember your mazda 3 video you are referring to. Perhaps you were at a different elevation or maybe the fuel grade could have dampened the performance. Either way, your honesty and great attention to detail and descriptiveness is very informative and enjoyable. Great job!!
When comparing mpg ... We must remember that Mazda get very close to the advertised figures unlike other marque's..
My cx30 states 45mpg mixed driving and I'm getting 43 mpg
Hi S, What varient do you have? I am looking at the frontwheel drive active x and wondering if that is what you have. Mpg for AWD put me off.
@@thomasduffy3263 hello. We have the 122G spec engine..a proven engine with reliability..there is very little between the engine , paying the £ extra just not worth it for us... Search the CX30/mazda3 forums.. the X spec has faults.. since originally posting our mpg is 42mpg around town and 58mpg on a run..
@@spb4900 Just test drove one today and order is in!
@@thomasduffy3263 Nice...What have you gone for?
@@spb4900 had gone with the x and toyed between awd or fw. So front wheel i would never be offroad!
Mazda 3's mileage: 3.0L per 100km at 80kph constant speed
Search Mazda 3 2.0l Skyactiv-X MT6 AWD GT Plus video 2 of 3 on youtube
Apparently Mazda USA and Mazda EU offer different engines for different markets. Both the Skyactiv-G and Skyactiv-X are available in the EU, with multiple HP ratings. For EU, two Skyactive-G engines, 120HP and 148HP. The 148HP engine comes standard with cylinder deactivation. Also available is a Skyactiv-X 178P engine. All three are 2.0L engines.
Only the Skyactiv-X engine "uses a revolutionary SPCCI (Spark Plug Controlled Compression Ignition) combustion process said to combine the advantages of a conventional petrol engine with the efficiency of a diesel."
www.carscoops.com/2020/01/mazda3-and-cx-30-gain-150-ps-2-0l-petrol-engine-in-europe/#:~:text=Mazda%20is%20expanding%20the%20engine,2.0%20122%20M%20Hybrid%20engine.
All three are M Hybrid engines, considered a "mild hybrid", meaning their is no electric motor drivetrain component, only regenerative charging of a battery for the idle stop-start feature and powering the navigation and audio systems.
czcams.com/video/wnSNQmXGhyE/video.html
In the USA there are only two engines available and both are Skyactiv-G technology and both are 2.5L.
Standard is a 2.5L, 186 HP, 186 Lb/Ft torque engine. This standard 186HP engine beats all other subcompact SUVs in its size class.
Available late 2020 is an optional 2.5L turbocharged, 250HP engine, delivering 310 Lb/Ft torque on 87 octane gas and 250HP, 320 Lb/Ft torque on 93 octane gas. The 34% more horsepower should make for an exhilarating drive.
www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/2021-cx-30
The USA MPG ratings are nothing close to to EU 2.0L ratings. The added power has a price.
Mazda uses a turbocharger, not a supercharger. They are powered differently. A supercharger uses a belt to drive it, whereas a turbocharger is powered by exhaust recirculation.
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I looked at some the other day.
I wouldn't even call it a crossover. It's really small and low compared with my CX-5.
I read that if the engine is under 5000 km (new car) is a little bit lasy, but after a few km is became alive and fun
It's possible Mazda might incorporate software limitations to new engines but I haven't heard about it.
@@Pit-Stop What I know of is at least it runs ruch at first and gradually reduces towards optimal mixture. That could also somewhat explain it
Can recognice this from my own cx-30. Has 4500km on it now. Feels like it is getting better and better every day. Great car.
Interesting, I'll have to ask Mazda about this.
@@Pit-Stop A Mazda sales rep said to me that after 1000 km the engine gets better delivers all of the power
I own Mazda CX 30 Skyactive G 2.5 T AWD...love the car, mid acceleration is awesome, like a diesel. But do not by one with white leather seats...lol...the car i had before Mazda had them...if you wear jeans regularly it's very hard to keep it clean.
Thanks for sharing. Was your leather beige or a light color? I love the lighter hues but simply getting in and out of the car means the seats will look dirty and scuffed very quickly.
Cylinder deactivation is quite present when it's on. Vibrations are present in the steering wheel and sometimes in the car
Skyactiv X engines do not have cylinder deactivation.
@@Pit-Stop yes I know. I was just mentioning the probmels that appear on models with cylinder deactivation. I have a Mazda 6 2.5 with this technology and, from what I have read on forums , others have the same issue with their vehicles, (mazda 6, 3)
I personally found the cylinder deactivation noticeable but not annoying. However, I did read that Mazda has been issuing recalls for certain engines with the technology because of some sort of factory fault.
@@Pit-Stop yes they did, but for models up to March 2019. Mine is from October 2019 and the service said that they can't do anything about it and that it's normal. 😐😕☹
I have the CX-30 skyactiv-x Automatic , no awd.
and i have also citroen C5 aircross , automatic, no awd , 180 hp also .
The CX-30 consuption is 8.5 l/100 average ( only town and classic roads) , the citroen is 9.5 l/100 average.
I don't search economy, i drive normally.
But, the MAZDA is the best to drive, more pleasure, and more confortable !than the citroen ! ( to smooth..).
Considering your CX-30 is AWD, that's a fairly good result, especially if you don't tend to drive economically on purpose. And I agree, the Mazdas are really lovely to drive.
@@Pit-Stop My CX-30 is NOT AWD , i don't need AWD where i live...No mountain...
Whoops, misread! Yeah, that's not the best result, then. I found the X to perform best at suburban speeds. Still, it's a new engine tech and will be interesting to see where they take it with further generations.
I have test driven this X engine in a CX30 and was quite disappointed. As You said You have to rev the shit out of this thing to feel something. In city traffic when You need torque to overtake quickly this car is not moving much. I wanted to buy this car but I left the Mazda yard disappointed without looking back.
I have test driven this X engine of the CX 30 and was quite disappointed. The car is nice but the engine is lame and not much fun to drive. I actually wanted to buy this car when I saw it, but not anymore.
This engine is great... as long as you do not compare it with Volkswagen 1.5TSI, or 1.3 TCI from Renault... Sky-active X is more expensive, it has higher consumption and lower performance then competition...
Let's just wait for the expenses on those engines in 10 years time and compare it then.
@ the problem is that Mazda needs to sell this engines now, not in 10 years time. Scenario 1: Peter will buy a new car in C class. His budget is 22-25 k eur. He goes on a test drive. He tests golf 1.5tsi and mazda 3 skyactive x. Golf has a way better engine, with more power more torque and less consumption. Mazda is more expensive. Why would Peter choose a Mazda?
@@TeoSluga Because Peter already had a Renault turbo diesel in the past and he decided not to want a Renault, nor a turbo anymore because of the maintenance burden. (time + cost).
And since then Peter has a 2013 Mazda 3 for 2 years, and he saw he didn't have to spend money on it other than regular maintenence tasks, and it has been much more reliable and cheaper even though it's serviced in official mazda services.
@ had in past? Well, past was past, 15-20 years old turbo diesel engines had issues. Not anymore. If Peter would own a 2013 turbo diesel, he would have been very happy.
1.5TSI (150PS) has higher consumption, same performance but probably cost less.
Nice engine but it is slow...much underpowered for today standards.
I don't like this engine... One needs to.ride extremly slow to achieve low consumption. What's the point with 180hp then?
To achieve the highest MPG, all cars need to be driven slow. With the SkyActive X if you slam it in a lower gear and hit 5K rpm you'll get your horses. Try that in a hybrid and the results will usually be less satisfactory.
@@andgainingspeed not so with diesel engines. Best performance and best mileage is achieved between 2000 and 2500 rpms.
@@TeoSluga - Diesel engine options seem to be on the decline. When they were more common the "knock" 😅 on them, at least where I live, was fuel price volatility.
@Brandon Mathewson well, not true, lets summarise what we have here: 180 HP, nowhere to be noticed in when driving, but you certainly pay insurance for that power. Consumption: good if you drive very slow.... Wait what? 180HP and you are not suppose to drive fast? So basically Mazda is saying do not go on the highway? Every 140-150hp modern gasoline engine is better then this one. Comparing power delivery and consumption...
@@TeoSluga, you don't have to go slow, you just have to go at constant speed and low rpm! You only need power for fast acceleration, not for driving with constant speed!