Allo DigiOne and Raspberry Pi for Audiophile Digital Streaming

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  • čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
  • Allo DigiOne SPDIF interface can help a Raspberry Pi become one of the best audio streamers. Raspberry Pi Streaming Guide (if you haven't seen it): • Raspberry Pi as an Aud...
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    00:00 Intro
    01:35 Connectivity
    04:38 Function
    06:30 Sound Impressions
    17:53 Wrapping Up
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Komentáře • 139

  • @garyalexander5686
    @garyalexander5686 Před 3 lety +15

    Yours is one of the best descriptions of the ALLO device I've ever heard. You did a great job. Thank you.

  • @roberthesse5990
    @roberthesse5990 Před 3 lety +2

    Brilliant review. The best description of sonic difference I’ve ever heard.

  • @kerryvanderkamp5051
    @kerryvanderkamp5051 Před 3 lety +8

    Thanks for another great video on Pi HAT streamers. I have a similar setup (Digione Signature and Shanti PS) and agree with all your observations. I think these devices are a spectacular value and can be endgame for many mid-budget audiophiles. With my current setup, I’m spending my limited budget upgrading other components and paying for Roon (which is a revelation with Tidal or Qobuz).

  • @MrMftech
    @MrMftech Před 3 lety

    An excellent description of proper clocking of a digital interface.
    The good news is that timing information is present in every CD, to get it you need a proper clocking at the DAC.

  • @PaulFilippetto
    @PaulFilippetto Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for these very instructive videos on Raspberry Pi audio. I have ordered one with the Hifiberry spdif

  • @fredjohnson9856
    @fredjohnson9856 Před rokem +1

    I just replace my JustBoom Digi Hat with the Allo DigiOne. After watching your video I was expecting a small improvement - WOW! what a difference? Much more space and separation around instruments. Took the soundstage and imaging to a whole new level. I am really happy with it. Thank you.

  • @Kbaum752
    @Kbaum752 Před 2 lety

    Love my Digi one. Really improved The performance of my original dacmagic. You we're spot on with your observations

  • @mnmlist1454
    @mnmlist1454 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you so much for the video. Hope you can also review the Allo USBridge soon.

  • @hippolytustheodoras4238

    Great explanation, going to look for your videos on linear power supplies :)

  • @jurgenschleicher8724
    @jurgenschleicher8724 Před 3 lety +2

    Superb video! My experience is the same.! RPi 3B+ used with IQAudio Digi+ sounds better than the USB-Output! It's really hearable! DAC (MusicalFidelity VDac Gen.1) and RPi are powered by ifi power! Go on with your work, it's always fun!

  • @1985ahmed
    @1985ahmed Před rokem +1

    Thank you so much for your time and knowledge

  • @harrybaque5502
    @harrybaque5502 Před 3 lety +2

    You continue to bring great audio related content week after week! I would love to hear your take on the different HiFiPi OS’s. Volumio has put me off a bit with the subscription model so I would like to hear about alternatives

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks... I'll try to cook something like that. Until then, try out MoOd.

  • @monochromios
    @monochromios Před 3 lety +3

    Great video. I've tried the difference and I have to say you described it perfectly. Music stops sounding like a wall of sounds and gets space and soundstage. I mostly use headphones and that difference is really worth the upgrade. Thank you for sharing

  • @normancoutts
    @normancoutts Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks, great and best wishes from your new Scottish sub.

  • @commonporpoise2068
    @commonporpoise2068 Před 3 lety +3

    Great video! Apparently RPi 4 has a cleaner sounding USB output than RPi 3 ?
    I now use a Pi2Design AES Hat which has had great reviews too. It has more output connection options including BNC. Balanced AES and I2S and can be powered separately to the Pi. I recommend trying this if you can, it sounds wonderful and offers fantastic bang for buck at $149.

  • @JustBrowsing777
    @JustBrowsing777 Před 3 lety +2

    Good review.
    Many people who question the notion that a digital audio signal can somehow differ in audible quality, referring to that one's and zero's will remain one's and zero's, miss the factor of timing. It's about where in the space of time do these one's and zero's come. On top of that you have pollution in the form of noise traveling through cables and within devices themselves. Digital is not all the same, but try telling that to someone who only knows about the one's and zero's 🤷‍♂️

  • @lhd9979
    @lhd9979 Před 3 lety +1

    great video! thanks!

  • @proffessasvids
    @proffessasvids Před 3 lety

    Excellent stuff dude! Xx

  • @cobar5342
    @cobar5342 Před rokem

    Thank you for a very helpful video

  • @odannyblueso
    @odannyblueso Před 3 lety +6

    Wow! Another great review!! 2 thumbs up! Thank you. Hope you can review more hat for Raspberry, maybe DAC hat if there's any... Keep up the good job.

  • @markallen2536
    @markallen2536 Před 2 lety

    Good video! I think the next step to really complete this would be to use the aux power supply board for the DAC that is powered externally to completely isolate the DAC from tje Pi's power. Computers often generate lots of garbage on the DC lines... I think that power board is about USD $25 on EBay.

  • @arbuzu
    @arbuzu Před 3 lety

    Nice review! Maybe test something with Dac like audiophonics?

  • @florisvanderveen7814
    @florisvanderveen7814 Před 3 lety

    Thank you great review in layman's terms!

  • @MirkoMancini
    @MirkoMancini Před 3 lety

    Nice video, thanks. I only don't know if it worth the price. Justboom Digi hat + is 20 € and it's pretty the same.

  • @dreddguy6454
    @dreddguy6454 Před 3 lety

    Nice review. I completely agree with your lowered volume but greater dynamics comment. It's not an issue, as I control the volume knob. The Digione definitely benefits from an improved power supply. I'm surprised that you didn't power it with your Teddy Pado LPS. It'll be worth it. I realised another volume drop when I powered the Digione with a LPS.
    Edit:Clarity.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks! I actually do use Allo Shanti PS these days, but don't want to overwhelm viewers with too much info at once... I'll make a video about it too as it easily defeated my own LPS and iFi iPower. .

    • @dreddguy6454
      @dreddguy6454 Před 3 lety

      @@iiWiReviews already looking forward to seeing it. Good work.

  • @rogermccuaig3889
    @rogermccuaig3889 Před rokem

    There are many posts referring to a problem with the DigiOne which does not play files greater than 48 kHz or 24 bits. I have this problem too. There seems to be very little useful answers though! I did some research, and it appears (the technical descriptions are sometimes hard to understand) SPDIF is limited to 48 kHz and 24 bits max, and in some cases only 20 bits. I solved my problem by going into the Volumio settings and setting the Audio Resampling to 44.1 kHz and 24 bits. That way I seem to be able to play all (or at least most of my high-resolution music files. Frankly its way past time that Allo provides guidance on this matter and revises their spec sheet to indicate the SPDIF limitations.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před rokem

      Using RoPieeeXL I used to playe 192kHz/24bits without any problems while I still had it.

  • @bk8443
    @bk8443 Před 3 lety

    Great content! Thank you! Really enjoyed your review.
    I'm curious about using iPhone as a music hi-res streamer and connect to a DAC. How would this compare to other music streamer? What is the pros and cons of using iPhone? I think this would be a good CZcams video review.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +2

      Hi. I have never tested iPhone in that capacity. When it comes to Android phones, I have tried few. They're not particularly good source in my experience when it comes to default music apps and streaming apps such as Tidal, Qobuz, etc. It's because Android resamples audio internally. If dedicated apps such as Hibby player or USBplayer are used to send bit-perfect signal to the DAC, things get better.
      If somebody knows how this work with iPhones, please share...

  • @xstensl8823
    @xstensl8823 Před 3 lety +1

    how would this compare to the project steam box ultra or bluesound 2i?

  • @kgtaillon27
    @kgtaillon27 Před 3 lety

    Nice job!!! What audio software did you use to stream? I have this setup and use Moode OS to stream Spotify. Works well and sounds great!

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      I use RoPieeeXL to stream Tidal and Qobuz via mconnect app.

  • @user-pi3ku6dy9p
    @user-pi3ku6dy9p Před 2 lety

    Hello! Great review! Tell me, is there a good external DAC, does it make sense to use a linear power supply for a raspberry streamer with a hi-fi coax and toslink digital output board only?

  • @kobush18
    @kobush18 Před 3 lety

    Can someone tell me if when i listen to CZcams music through this device i also can see it on my tv ? Maybe through its hdmi port?

  • @josephangelodelosreyes4206

    Please make a video comparing Schiit's Unison USB and this Allo HAT's output. I've been experiencing small pops in sound from USB of Rpi to Scarlett Solo. Irdk the cause. Im thinking if Schiit's Unison will fix this.

  • @HuRRay139
    @HuRRay139 Před 3 lety

    Many thanks for your professional and clear explanations! Addicted to listen to your videos. Anyway, I do have a question which I couldn't find or understand in all kind of hifi video's. I have connected my rspi 3b (max2play Lms) to a simpel 5v 3a power supply (wall wart). My E30 is connected to a professional 5v powersupply. But what will happen to connect the e30 to wall wart power supply and the rspi to a ultra low noise lineair power supply. Or should both devices requires a low noise power supply? I hope you can help me out. Also happy owner of IOTAVX sa3 and pa3 and triangle bro3.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for the praise! Both DAC and streamer improve their sound quality with a good power supply. In your case it would be easiest to simply try rotating and listening which one reacts more to better PS. But in the end, I would probably find a good LPS with two power rails and connect both to it.

  • @wyup
    @wyup Před 3 lety +1

    I guess you are using Allo's Shanti power supply with your DigiOne. Easy question: can you notice further improvement from a ifi iPower or a regular wallwart? And last but not least: how much do you think it matters the streamer OS on the RaspPi? DietPi, Volumio, Raspberry Pi OS Lite.. Does it make a difference in sound quality? Great review as always!

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +3

      Yes, I'm using Shanti with it and it did bring an improvement over my previous iFi iPower. Also, OSes do sound a bit different (I have no idea why) and for that I prefer RoPieeeXL that's somehow cleanest sounding to my ears.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 lety

      @@iiWiReviews can you show us how to install Roopiee on RPi4?

    • @dreddguy6454
      @dreddguy6454 Před 3 lety +2

      IMHO I think that PiCorePlayer is the best sounding OS. Maybe because it operates entirely in Ram.

  • @yatharth7449
    @yatharth7449 Před 3 lety

    I’m going to purchase the Sony IER-Z1R IEM after a few months.What the best DAC/Amp you can recommend for it under $200,would prefer buying a DAC/Amp that supports at least 32 bit 192 kHz PCM and DSD 256. I currently use a helm audio bolt DAC/Amp. Do you think I should upgrade my DAC/Amp?

  • @albertogazzogarra6383
    @albertogazzogarra6383 Před 3 lety

    Hello I have a query does the set work with Deezer?

  • @dariuszg.8026
    @dariuszg.8026 Před rokem

    I wondered, can I 3D printed a case for this raspberry pi and allo digione, and what type of material should I use?

  • @andycorbett207
    @andycorbett207 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for the great video. I am struggling to find Allo DigiOne in the UK, I wonder if there is another alternative?

  • @aerofart
    @aerofart Před 3 lety

    Hello, Srboljub (iiWi).
    I wanted to take a moment to express how much I enjoy and appreciate the content and quality of your videos. Your ability to communicate a deliberate, honest and sincere message is without equal. You’ve earned a new subscriber and fan in me. That said, and I hope that you don’t take offense, i find it hard to ignore the irony of watching an audiophile discussing musical “darkness” (clean sound, I guess) all the while his own video(s) has a very distracting hiss running throughout the background. I think you mentioned you’re using a Tascam recorder, or at least you did on one of your tests. I just want to say, do yourself and your viewers a favor and give this channel of yours the sound it deserves and replace whatever you are using to record audio with something better, or at the very least apply some noise reduction processing to your videos.
    I have a DR-40 and never use it because of the high self noise.
    Anyway, again, I hope you don’t take offense by this. I am expressing my feelings about it only for the most caring of reasons. Keep up the great work.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for the input. I actually took it seriously and tried to improve it trough better editing in the last video: czcams.com/video/A5tnU0Cw2mU/video.html
      Hope it's better now. :)

    • @aerofart
      @aerofart Před 3 lety +1

      @@iiWiReviews Yes, I know. I’ve already watched your latest video. Much improved noise control. Fantastic job! Now all of us Uber audiophiles can breathe a sigh of relief. ✌️✌️✌️

  • @hank44
    @hank44 Před rokem

    Noob question here -- but what software do you use to send digital audio content to the Rpi+Allo DigiOne node? I'm also looking to ditch my Bluesound Vault and Node. This would clearly take the place of the Node, but what do I use for a Vault and software to control it? Thanks.

  • @abelfonseca
    @abelfonseca Před 3 lety

    Great video! What do you think about the DAC hats for the pi? Have you tried any?

    • @davidfairchild1640
      @davidfairchild1640 Před 3 lety +1

      I have an Allo Boss and love it. Using a usb battery rather than the standard Pi wall wort helps, too, or an upgraded linear power supply like he mentioned.

    • @joshua43214
      @joshua43214 Před 3 lety +1

      The Allo Katana DAC is probably the best DAC you can buy when on a "budget." I power mine with multiple power supplies.
      I had to buy a Matrix Audio Element-X to get a significant upgrade.

  • @dopydude
    @dopydude Před 3 lety

    Hi,
    Would the digione be a useful addition to the chain, where its used to stream Tidal Hifi/Spotify premium to Modi Multibit dac compared to macbook air being used to stream to dac? I loved your review of the modi multibit and eventually bought it. Now wondering if the digione would make a good addition? Would be good to know your views. Tx

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      Hi, I have never used any macbook. The word around the web is that they do have cleaner USB outs than the average laptop of other brands with Windows. However, if I had to make an educated guess, I would bet on Pi+DigiOne to provide an improvement compared to macbook.

  • @juliancrun
    @juliancrun Před 3 lety +3

    Hi, I use a raspberry 4 8Gb with Moode, with a hat dac, Digital AK4118, IIS DAC, I2S Coaxial Optical Output, connected to another DAC MODI 3, topping D10s or ifi Zen DAN, finally the amplifier. For the screen, I use an 11-inch amoled tablet. I use Moode because I have music on 2Tb hard drives in flac and dsd formats, and in Volumio I am not able to make it recognize them.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 lety +1

      I too have about 2TB of Lossless music on a hard drive, plus I want to add Tidal and Spotify streaming. What is the best value streamer I can get that will connect to the i2S LVDS input of my Topping D70s DAC?
      How to get i2S from a Raspberry Pi4?

    • @juliancrun
      @juliancrun Před 3 lety +1

      @@navinadv You can get it with the application that I use, Moode, on the website and forum you will easily find all the answers. And the hat that I use for the raspberry 4 8Gb, you can find it in the famous Chinese sales page, doing the search "raspberry pi AK4118" will come up.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 lety +1

      @@juliancrun which website and forum? I tried searching that Chinese page but it did not show and AK4118 HAT board for the RPi4.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 lety +1

      @@juliancrun ok I found “AK4118 Coaxial HIFI Sound Card DAC I2S DSD Digital Broadcasting 32BIT PCM384 DSD128”. Is this what you used?

    • @juliancrun
      @juliancrun Před 3 lety

      @@navinadv Yes.

  • @dgbucko
    @dgbucko Před 2 lety

    How loud is it? Topping D10 lacks enough power for my CD Recorder.

  • @samsmithbr
    @samsmithbr Před 3 lety

    I really like your reviews,, excellent explanations and always well founded!/based! How about Raspberry Pi with a DAC, hat?

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      Thanks! In that case the quality of the HAT DAC will play the biggest role in the final sound quality. But I haven't tested those type of HATs yet.

    • @samsmithbr
      @samsmithbr Před 3 lety

      @@iiWiReviews Hope you do so, soon! I have a couple of good hi fi systems,, and I would like to be able to stream to them via my wi-fi network! The Raspberry Pi route would appear to be a good solution to mordenize/revitalize these setups! Thanks!

  • @Shtruck
    @Shtruck Před 3 lety

    Hello, what do you think, between a raspberry pi 4 with allo digione hat and a bluesound node 2i, every device will be
    connected to the same dac (e. g. Topping dx3 pro v2), using coaxial input, which will be the best option, regarding sound quality.
    Great review, you doing a good job.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      Pi + DigiOne + Linear Power supply should edge Bluesound Node 2i. But I haven't tested it personally... It's coming from a friend I trust.

    • @Shtruck
      @Shtruck Před 3 lety

      Thank you for your reply,
      I'm boring you with another question, to feel the difference in sound quality between the two options, which must be value of the stereo system. I have an entry level one (amplifier cambridge audio cxa 60 & dac topping dx3 pro v2 & speakers q acoustics 3020i). I think an asset for node 2i, is that it has Tidal Connect.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      @@Shtruck I can't tell this for certain, but I believe that even if you notice the difference, it wouldn't be crucial to sacrifice the comfort and all-in-one solution of Node 2i. I'm just personally wounded that way to strife for that last 1% at any cost. :)

    • @Shtruck
      @Shtruck Před 3 lety

      Thank you, for your help. 🙏

  • @RealHIFIHelp
    @RealHIFIHelp Před 3 lety +1

    Interesting.

  • @mat.b.
    @mat.b. Před 2 měsíci

    What confuses me is, I thought USB from streamers is supposed to be superior to SPDIF? Because it can control the data stream and all that

  • @magicanvn
    @magicanvn Před 3 lety

    I wonder if the Rasberry Pi 4 fixed the problem with the USB ports. Would I still need a HAT for the SPDIF output to achieve a good sound quality?

  • @marcomanunta7702
    @marcomanunta7702 Před rokem

    Hi! Only problem would be that hi res Qobuz at 192khz would be downsampled to 96 if you use coaxial, correct?

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před rokem

      SPDIF can output 192kHz so no problem there, Qobuz goes in full quality. Most DACs also accept up to 192kHz on SPDIF.

    • @marcomanunta7702
      @marcomanunta7702 Před rokem

      @@iiWiReviews i actually have no dac as i have a technics sl g700. Cheers!

  • @spuddyl9938
    @spuddyl9938 Před 3 lety

    What about a Nobsound Douk Audio U2, which converts usb to optical. Would such a device also get rid of jitter?

    • @dreddguy6454
      @dreddguy6454 Před 3 lety

      Allo say this about Toslink "Optical had to go… by definition it has a jitter of 4ns. That’s 4000ps. We simply removed it. However, optical has galvanic isolation so we took the decision to use a digital isolator instead that separates the outputs from both RPI and WM8805."

    • @suncani
      @suncani Před 3 lety

      @@dreddguy6454 Hi Dreddguy, would you please share the link where you found this info on Allo's findings about toslink issues etc. Thank you.

  • @absolutegenerique
    @absolutegenerique Před 3 lety

    Koji je najbolji izbor u kategoriji do 150 e.Prioriteti su separacija i sound stage. iFi Zen DAC ,Allo DIGIONE, TOPPING E30, SMSL Sanskrit 10th MKII.Svakako imam rasberry p.

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      DigiOne nije DAC već digitalni interfejs koji suzbija šum i smetnje iz signala. Tako da njega izbaci iz ove grupe za sad. Od ostalih, a po tome što pominješ, ja bih išao na E30.

  • @jesushuerta9878
    @jesushuerta9878 Před 3 lety

    is Shenzhen sending you a Topping D30Pro for review ?

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      Not really... But if I fined a seller with reasonable shipping rate to my country (somewhat of a problem last few months) I'll try to make a room for it in the budget.

  • @CraciunAlexandruGh
    @CraciunAlexandruGh Před 3 lety

    The Node 2i is a full streamer and DAC. What DAC did he use to compare against the 2i ?

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      He used both DigiOne and 2i only as streamers with a Chord 2Qute acting as a DAC.

    • @CraciunAlexandruGh
      @CraciunAlexandruGh Před 3 lety

      @@iiWiReviews Thank you for the clarification.

  • @navinadv
    @navinadv Před 3 lety

    How does the Allo USBridge compare with the Raspberry Pi4? I was looking to use the Allo USBridge instead of RPi4 with DigiOne Signature. Do I need 2 Shanti power supplies or will one work. Thanks

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      I haven't tried Pi 4 but I'll probably dive in at one moment and test its USB outs that are supposed to be better. One Shanti is enough.

    • @joshua43214
      @joshua43214 Před 3 lety

      I never tried the RPi 4, most of the reviews I have seen say the RPi 3 is better sounding. This makes sense because it runs cooler and so has less thermal noise.
      The USBridge is a very nice device, especially when used with a good power supply, it was a significant improvement over the DigiOne as a bridge (my DAC is extremely good on both USB and spdif inputs).
      I used the USBridge as an RPi 3 upgrade with an Allo Katana DAC for a while as well.
      Allo products are very good for the money. If you want a really good bridge, I recommend the Sonore OpticalRendu - it is a whole different world provided yo have a really good DAC.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 lety

      @@joshua43214 2 people told me that they find the USBridge too bright. I was thinking of using the USBridge Signature with the DigiOne Signature and Shanti power supply to build a media server that can read music from a USB hard drive.
      I was told the RPI 4 might be a better option from a sound quality perspective.
      The DAC used by my friends were Topping D70s and Gustard X16.

    • @joshua43214
      @joshua43214 Před 3 lety +1

      @@navinadv The USBridge is the USBridge sig, they also make a thing called the USBridge Signature Player which is just the USBridge in a case, and ready to play.
      What people refer to as a RPi, is actually a development board, and has a built in break out board. The compute module is the RPi with no break out features and is intended for enterprise use. The USBridge is essentially a fancy break out board for the compute module, so it has nice power supplies and isolated usb and ethernet (both are kinda sketchy on the RPi 3 and 4). So while they market it as an ethernet bridge, it will do everything an RPi will, only better.
      They do make a DigiOne and a DigiOne Sig, and I think they might have some other upgraded "sig" models, but the USBridge has always been the "sig" version.
      The DigiOne only has spdif output. The USBridge only has USB output. So, USBridge will output very nice USB to a really crappy USB hub on the RPi, which will use I2S to the DigiOne, which will only output to a coaxial spdif.
      So, if your DAC accepts USB, get a USBridge, connect a low power drive and your done. If you DAC only take spdif, put a DigiOne on the USBridge, attach drive, and your done.
      I played with these various combos for a couple of years, all sound good, some damn good. I never got good sound over USB or Ethernet into the RPi, wifi was always the best. For the USBridge, ethernet was marginally better than wifi, bit only if I could keep the cat6 cable away from the power cords. I preferred Volumio as the OS, mostly because the app was decent and sound is very good. The RPI3 will upsample to 192/24 very well, but SQ degrades above that. In general, I find that anything more than 192/24 is diminishing returns anyways.
      using an old computer running Daphile made an even bigger improvement. If you have a spare computer, using the USBridge as a bridge wont cost you anything, but some headache so worth giving it a try. Maybe swap in a fresh drive for Daphile so you don't lose your windows install. you can even experiment with different OS's and player combos, the USBridge will give you tremendous flexibility.
      My current system runs Debian 10 Server, HQPlayer embedded, and Roon core. This set up is not for the faint of heart, there is very little support so you need a good Linux skills or Godly Google Fu. Roon turns out to be the second best media player I have tried (I think I have tried all of them) after Daphile. The addition of HQPlayer Embedded plus absolute stability of the whole system makes it very worth while.
      Lastly, the RPI 4 runs much hotter than the RPI 3, so you will get an increased noise floor from that alone, and RPi is not known for mitigating noise. You will get more power, but what do you need it for? If you want a more powerful player to do 512/24 or convert to DSD, then use something at least as powerful as a Celeron, though you will need an i5 minimum for DSD conversion.

    • @navinadv
      @navinadv Před 3 lety

      @@joshua43214 I learned more from this single post of yours than all the reading I have done about this subject. Thank you.
      The one part I did not get was when you said “The USBridge will output really good USB to a really Crappy USB on the RPI”. I was thinking of using the USBridge and DigiOne with a Shanti power supply. Where does the RPI come in? Thanks.
      Which of these statements are correct?
      1. USBridge Signature will give me USB out from RPI 3 or RPI 4 compute module
      2. DigiOne Signature will give me SPDIF (over Coax or BNC) out from RPI 3 or RPI 4 compute module
      3. If I stack USBridge Signature and DigiOne Signature then the resulting box will give me USB or SPDIF out
      4. Neither USB nor Ethernet offers good sound from an RPI
      5. RPI 4 is not powerful enough for DSD 256/512 or MQA, for these formats I will need an i5
      6. RPI 4 will generate more heat and hence more noise than RPI 3 so for 192/24 RPI 3+ is enough, RPI offers no significant performance gain as it can’t do MQA or DSD 256/512 anyway
      7. Volumio is good as it has a nice interface and a Celeron or better machine running Volumio will offer better quality via USB than RPI.
      I happen to own a 8 year old ASUS mini PC with a Celeron and 4GB RAM. Would that be more suitable for a music player? The original came with a 500GB hard drive and 2GB of RAM but I upgraded it to 6TB hard drive and 4GB of RAM. Can one format the hard drive with Volumio and use this?
      www.asus.com/in/Mini-PCs/VivoPC_VM40B/
      For my DAC i am thinking to get either a Gustad X16 or Topping D70s. My friends are happy with theirs and the DACs have both USB and SPDIF and I2S LVDS as well.

  • @toffe2ventil
    @toffe2ventil Před 3 lety

    Hi, will something like this be better than a Bluesound Node2i? Music signal & music quality wise?

    • @joshua43214
      @joshua43214 Před 3 lety

      This device would go between the Node and the DAC. Not sure how much improvement you would get, the Node is not especially well regarded for sound quality

    • @toffe2ventil
      @toffe2ventil Před 3 lety

      @@joshua43214 Between? Is it not a replacement streamer? Either this or the Node2i for streaming? And I mean if you only use the Node2i as a source/transport and use the coax out into a amp with a better DAC, will you still hear diffrences between streamers?

    • @joshua43214
      @joshua43214 Před 3 lety

      @@toffe2ventil Generally speaking, you should put a bridge (also called a renderer) between the player and the DAC for best audio quality. I have an extremely good player (an i9 based server running Roon core and HQPlayer), and an extremely good DAC (A Matrix Audio Element-x), and it sounds very much better with my Sonore OpticalRendu as a bridge even though the streamer in my DAC is world class.
      So, all that said, the DigiOne is a bridge, and is meant to convert ethernet/wifi/usb into spdif. It will also function as a player, and is probably a better player than the Node, but it will function best when it is used purely as a renderer. Like I said, the Node is not very well regarded. My AVR came with Blusound (NAD T-758), and the Blusound is not especially good. My first experience with Allo was the DigiOne into my AVR, and it made a really huge improvement.
      This led to me trying the Allo Katana DAC, and the Allo USBridge, both of which are extremely good for the money. I got pretty good quality (by audiophile standards) repurposing an old computer to run Daphile as the player, an Odroid for a NAS, and using the USBridge with a Katana DAC (4 power supplies). This is as good as it gets unless you are ready to drop about 5K to upgrades imo. This is likely of higher fidelity than your speakers and amp, so be warned you might end up going down a pretty expensive rabbit hole...

  • @MickeyMishra
    @MickeyMishra Před 3 lety +1

    everybody's first reaction is to call bulshit on this kind of stuff until you get some really high fidelity equipment and are able to actually listen to it in a space where you can actually discern these small little audible cues which sadly are not audible to the majority of the public.
    for reference just having an air conditioner on in the background is enough to make any inexpensive audio system sound audibly the same to one that is made of discrete components and linear power supplies.
    most people don't even know what Jitter actually is. let alone timing errors in digital music.
    USB sure is a great way to pipe audio wherever you need but a lot of people don't realize there was a really good reason why things like firewire existed for the professional realm and everyone else got a simple Universal serial bus to use..
    no matter what there is a lot of ways to fry an egg and as long as you have good equipment you should be fine no matter what bus or way you use to pipe a audio to your system

  • @spranto
    @spranto Před 3 lety

    One question, why have you chosen a digital output and not a RCA one? This would reduce the "flow" by not using an external DAC. Again an excellent review. Congratulations!

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +4

      This board only has digital out. It is RCA physically but it is Digital SPDIF RCA, not an analogue one. I chose it because I'm already using great external DAC (that no analog board for Pi can match).
      That said, if you want to keep things simple and more affordable too, DAC HAT with analog RCA outputs do exist for Raspberry Pi... I just didn't try them.

  • @billybeck
    @billybeck Před 3 lety

    Does it stream Tidal masters at highest quality? And is it gapless playback? Is it much better than chromecast audio? Great video, all the best 👍

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      RopieeeXL OS I'm using can stream MQA at the highest quality... But your DAC has to be able to unfold it (there is no software unfolding here). Gapless playback also works from mconnect app that I'm using, you just have to enable it.
      Regarding Chromecast Audio, I never compared them so can't comment on that. Some sources say this is better.

  • @Lemarchand34
    @Lemarchand34 Před 3 lety

    Any chance of comparing Allo Digione vs Allo Digione Signature? Cheers

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      I did it but Signature wasn't long enough with me so I didn't have a chance to film it. To put it simply, Signature digs out more tiny details and atmosphere from the recording. Plain DigiOne sounds a bit closed and less resolving in comparison.

    • @Lemarchand34
      @Lemarchand34 Před 3 lety

      @@iiWiReviews Thank you very much for immediate reply!

  • @AWEG-qu8bz
    @AWEG-qu8bz Před rokem

    Unfortunately, the prices of Raspberry Pi and also Digione have increased a lot.
    And the Allo Digione Signature is very difficult to obtain.
    I will build it anyway.
    1st version Allo Digione and Pi 4 with 4GB.
    2. Version Allo Digione Signature (as soon as available) and Pi 4 with 8GB.
    I still have it here. ;)

  • @tomislavpopinjac8232
    @tomislavpopinjac8232 Před 3 lety

    Have you tried quality HiFi USB cable?

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      I did try several cables ranging from few bucks to few hundred bucks. They can make pretty significant difference.

    • @tomislavpopinjac8232
      @tomislavpopinjac8232 Před 3 lety

      @@iiWiReviews thanks for the quick answer. So, would you still say that RbPi will sound better with DigiOne daughterboard, even compared with RbPi over USB with quality cable?

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety +1

      @@tomislavpopinjac8232 In my opinion DigiOne with a modest cable (let's say decent Canare or Belden... just not something that's $1 from AliExpress) sounds better than USB with any cable (Intona Premium, FTA Callisto, etc.)... And only when a good USB regenerator is introduced (Intona, iFi, etc.) USB becomes an equal contender to DigiOne... than it's a tough battle and a good cable can tip it to one side or the other. I chose this route for myself because a USB regenerator is more expensive, to begin with, then it needs two decent USB cables... And I can only cry over my modest budget just thinking about it. :)

    • @plzitzjustmahcheezits909
      @plzitzjustmahcheezits909 Před 3 lety +1

      “HiFi USB cable” ok now I know this is the side of audiophillia that’s complete and utter bullshit. Really? High quality usb? There is no difference between and Amazon basics usb and whatever hundreds of dollars bullshit you’re buying. Y’all are high on some modern day snake oil my god,

  • @roquesoprano913
    @roquesoprano913 Před 3 lety

    👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Timmy111888
    @Timmy111888 Před 3 lety +1

    I have a question / request. Is it possible to route entire Windows Audio and not just Audio from a specific Audio Player like Roon to a streaming device like Raspberry Pi. And if it is possible can you make a Guide Video how to do it? I'm really only interested in routing all Windows Audio to a device and not a player. Thank You.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom Před 3 lety +1

      on MacOS you can easily using Airplay. Not sure about Windows though

    • @Timmy111888
      @Timmy111888 Před 3 lety

      @@zyghom That's neat. AirPlay uses lossless compression too. I hope there is an equivalent for Windows. Was looking into NDI Codec, but it is really meant for Video and adds some minor compression...

    • @Timmy111888
      @Timmy111888 Před 3 lety

      It looks like it might be possible with:
      TuneBlade App (Windows PC) + Shairport on Raspberry Pi (AirPlay Reciever)

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom Před 3 lety

      @@Timmy111888 that is how I watch on my projector: hdmi from Mac to projector and audio via Airplay from Mac to my raspberry streamer, then dac then amp then speakers.

    • @Timmy111888
      @Timmy111888 Před 3 lety

      @@zyghom No Video-Audio Sync issues?
      I'd also add a separate preamp after dac like Topping A90 to increase audio quality even further.

  • @D1N02
    @D1N02 Před 3 lety

    Why not simply use optical Toslink. You cut out all of the electrical signals between Raspberry and DAC. It's cheap it's easy.

  • @burakakpinar5739
    @burakakpinar5739 Před 3 lety +1

    if you use this setup with a good 50€ power outlet and external dac (which you will need before your stereo system), whole operation will cost you a used bluesound node 2i so cut the hassle, even its 100€ difference buy an one box setup (node 2i) and use it.

  • @MrTommygm
    @MrTommygm Před 3 lety

    Fantastic Review,
    Could you tell me the Dac you used for this review, and would you consider the Khadas tone board as a suitable partner.
    You have a great ability to answer most of the questions that people really want to know.
    Great Work......

    • @iiWiReviews
      @iiWiReviews  Před 3 lety

      I used Denafrips Ares II... Barely afforded it but I'm loving it. :) Khadas is certainly a great DAC and tremendous value... It would work very nice with this combination.

  • @Karaon
    @Karaon Před rokem

    x2 playback speed we meet again

  • @yaoyaotigeraudio7299
    @yaoyaotigeraudio7299 Před 3 lety

    Great review!! Can we cooperate?

  • @darrelldarrell1447
    @darrelldarrell1447 Před 3 lety

    Dracula?

  • @phrtao
    @phrtao Před 3 lety

    There is no reason why a co-ax or phone SP/DIF link should be better than a USB one. Unless there is some quirk in the way your OS is set up. USB is more than capable of transferring any audio data without error or degradation (even on Windows, given the proper setup !) and any modern DAC should have no trouble receiving data via it's USB inputs.

  • @dwaynesbadchemicals
    @dwaynesbadchemicals Před 2 lety

    You know who would make it big on YT? A person that would only concentrate on audiophile streaming systems with no other sources.