Refuting David Cloud's position on the "Pre-tribulation Rapture"
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That was very interesting watching Cloud use intimidation to get people to agree with him. When people have weak arguments they often use tough guy techniques like that to make it look like they have a strong argument. All I saw him doing was manipulating in this video. There was no teaching. Very fascinating.
This is one of the reason why I was compelled to do this video.
Very sad to see this insecurity that is willing to distort the Scriptures to defend a fable.
@@proveallthings_521First time here. I just subscribed. We have the same revelation on this, hopefully we could have a discussion on this false pretrib rapture
David Cloud - a man who made a ministry out of blogging about what everyone else is doing wrong.
You obviously don’t know David Cloud. Punching below the belt doesn’t advance your point. And it’s also not blogging or “what everyone else is doing wrong” but obeying the scriptures in contending for the faith and marking those who advance false doctrine. You should study the Bible.
The problem with him is that he makes a lot of things "essential" -like pre-tribulationism, that are not essential, and instead may even be wrong. So of course he will claim to be "contending for the faith", and then it will come down to everyone else being wrong, and there will be no allowance for the possibility that he might be wrong (John 9:41)
Right on
Very good!
Proving all things! Praise God for you brother!
If "the dead in Christ rise FIRST" (1 Thess 4) and the tribulation saints are included in "the FIRST resurrection" (Rev 20), who will ALSO reign with Christ for 1,000 years, then HOW ON EARTH can it be a PRE-TRIB rapture-resurrection?
This is a genuine question. You MUST be able to reconcile Rev 20 if you sincerely believe it is a Pre-Trib rapture-resurrection!
PS: May I respectfully remind all you "pre-tibbers" that adding to and removing from Revelation carries a curse.
I love you, please don't do that.
I’ve been told in Bible study that there are several elements to the first resurrection. They actually believe that garbage too.
David Cloud in hammering imminence so hard demonstrates the typical pretrib assumption that the Bible teaches it. He says the pretrib rapture is "the only way you can have imminency." He and other pre-tribbers can't get it through their thick heads that the Bible does NOT teach the pretrib idea of imminence, and that the idea of the "any moment coming" is absolute myth that they are READING INTO certain passages.
This is why you find Cloud proof texting in this video. He will never, ever, ever, ever, EVER actually exegete chapters like 2 Thessalonians 1 and 2, 1 Corinthians 15 or Matthew 24. He can't, and he knows it.
It's absolutely sickening to see him and all other pre-tribbers claim that anyone interpreting the Bible literally will come to the conclusion of a pretrib rapture, when in reality the Bible states a POST tribulation rapture emphatically and repeatedly. The pretrib position is based entirely on preconceived ideas, circular reasoning and arguments from silence.
So let's see...if the bible does *NOT* teach an imminent return of Christ, just where are even a FEW of the events that must come to pass PRIOR to the rapture? Do you care to explain the passage you're wanting to use to validate that claim?
Your rhetoric with your verbiage, _"thick heads...absolutely sickening"_ is a bit over the top. Just where's your argument from scripture to support a/thing *BUT* a pretribulation rapture, because if you're relying on what this video has stated as support, it doesn't even come close.
All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, *till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads*
{Revelation 7:2-3}
(These are already sealed with the Holy Spirit, so this is not speaking of being born again.)
“For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
{Matthew 24:7}
And, behold, *the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east* and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
{Ezekiel 43:2}
And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared*
(And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty*
"Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.")
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done*
{Revelation 16:12-17}
Without the church there is no need for a tribulation. The church will be the object of the tribulation.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, (the remnant church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, *which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ*
{Revelation 12:17}
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near *in the valley of decision*
{Joel 3:14}
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
{Ephesians 6:12}
“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”
{Matthew 24:6}
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
{1 Thessalonians 5:3}
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the CZcams video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
Well it does sound like you have made up your mind and taken the buffet approach to scripture,
To think that God would destroy the just with the unjust (Gen 18:25), shows a lack of understanding in God's word, God's character and his righteous judgement!. ( Numbers 23:19) Fast, pray, study God's word, stop listening to the talking heads. May the Lord bless you in your search for scriptural truth.
@@rodgoodsell9103
How did Steven die? How did all of the Apostles, except John, die? The passage below reveals part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God who are under the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Good work Charlie
It would be good to prepare for a pre-trib or post-trib rapture. To be mentally prepared for the difficulty and the possibility of martyrdom in tribulation. But the church should also keep watch, and pray to be able to escape, and be able to stand before Him, Luke 21:36. For a pre-trib rapture. God called us to live a holy life, 1 Thess 4:7-8, Ephesians 5:5-7, Galatians 5:16-21. Jesus associated His coming like a thief to the faithfulness of the servant, Matthew 24:45-47. Which would explain why though the 10 virgins would have to be all Christians for they are all waiting for His coming, 5 will be left behind. For truth is many "Christians" are lulled to believe a lie, that they need not change and do good work for it is adding good work to the "work" of Christ, an act of disbelief. Luke 17:26-37, may explain the sequence of events, where the the sanctified church will be raptured first, like Noah and Lot were saved before the flood, and the fire and sulfur rained down. The difference is at the coming of Christ in Israel, while He deal with the Antichrists and his armies, one will be taken, and one will be left to the people on earth, the harvest of the earth, Revelation 14:15, of those who took the mark of the beast, leaving those who did not take the mark of the beast, Revelation 15:2. And Jesus will reign over them , and the resurrected martyrs of the faith and who had not taken the mark of the beast for a thousand years, Revelation 20. Maybe the raptured will happen at the opening of the sixth seal Revelation 6-12, Matthew 24:29. And the sanctified church will be the multitude in heaven with Christ (before He came down as Israel's Messiah), Revelation 9-17, the "who have come out of the great tribulation" , may mean who came out to escape the great tribulation. And maybe as the church is described as the bride of Christ, the church will come down with the new Jerusalem, Revelation 21:2.
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious *appearing* of *the great God* and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
{Titus 2:13}
καὶ σωτήρ < "and Savior" is a conjunction/cumulative to the great God...
The apostle Paul gave us no instruction for navigating the trip. in fact Romans 13:1 tells us to submit ourselves to the powers that be! That won"t work in the trib. also what Paul says in Galatians 1:8 is in direct opposition to Rev 14:6-9.
So clearly the tribulation is a different dispensation period!
There is an old Pennsylvania Dutch saying, "you can't get there from here".
It’s the same gospel
It means to submit as long as it doesn't go against what God says. If they made a law tomorrow that said you had to bow down and worship the president, would you? Daniel brokeman man's law. Was that wrong?
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him *the buildings of the temple*
And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, [question one] Tell us, when shall these things be? and [question two] what shall be the sign of thy coming, and [question three] of the end of the world?
{Matthew 24:1-3}
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“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”
{Matthew 24:34}
Jesus continued,
“Heaven and earth *shall pass away* but my words shall not pass away."
{Matthew 24:35}
-- We have a second (or third) witness in the Gospel according to Luke.
“But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and *wrath upon this people*
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and *shall be led away captive into all nations* and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, *until the times of the Gentiles* be fulfilled.
And there shall be *signs* in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
And *then shall they see* the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”
{Luke 21:23-28}
-- We have a second (or third) witness in the Gospel according to Mark.
“But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
*But* in those days, *after that tribulation* the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth [the first resurrection] to the uttermost part of heaven."
{Mark 13:23-27}
"after that tribulation"
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth [maketh intercession in judgment] for the children of thy people: and there shall be *a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation* even to that same time: and *at that time thy people shall be delivered* every one that shall be found written in the book.
{Daniel 12:1}
...("whoso readeth, let him understand")
"Under attack"...? That's the language of cults
Very Wrong. It is soundly Biblical. There is no way you can read the Bible and not see it.
@@michellecorbett9298 yep, just have to take off the "pre-trib" eye glasses when reading the Scriptures, and you will clearly see it.
No doubt _ALLLLL_ the arguments for the o/positions are the same, from whomever tries to argue against it...nothing new. Passages are taken out of context w/o taking a literal, historical, grammatical approach to text.
The Bible is basically a road map to the end times and one of the biggest talked about throughout the Bible is the rapture. The whole book of Ruth is about the rapture. Maybe this guy your ripping isn't presenting the truth to you concise enough but that doesn't make the rapture not real or true.
If you are interested in an in depth study about it, check out Pastor Cary Schmidt on youtube. He has a series going through the entire book of revelation I think it is 28 sermons breaking end times down in detail---going entirely by the word.
How is the book of Ruth about the rapture?
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
{Revelation 19:1-2}
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Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God*
{Revelation 19:7-9}👈
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Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
Keep on keeping on!
No disrespect, but you're simply tossing DENIALS out, w/o a/thing from scripture to refute what's being said. For instance, when he said the rapture is the next prophetic event on God's calendar, you misapply *Matt 24,* for that text has ZERO to do with the rapture of the church. Should you take the time to exegete the text, you'd find that to be true in short order.
You THEN moved on to misapply *II Thess* as well. Your hermeneutic is sorely skewed. You're sadly disregarding the *CONTEXT* in passages, all in an effort to craft for a narrative...one that is simply not supported in the scripture. But all the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*
There are many contradictions in this so called "refuting" In one instant you say that Christ will return after the signs, then you say Jesus will come at any moment, and no man knows not the time or hour of His return. So if Jesus returns after the signs as you state, then we know when He will return ! Whereas scripture teaches no one knows the time or hour.
Also, it is clearly evident that you confuse the word tribulation. We are told that believers will have much tribulation before entering heaven (Acts 14:22b), but believers do not go through the tribulation which is God's wrath on unbelieving Israel and the wicked, because believers are not appointed to wrath.
To state that Jesus, Paul etc did not teach the imminent return of Christ many of these scriptures quoted do teach this ,and were believed by the Disciples and first century Church. For example Jesus" parable of the "Watching Servant" Lk 12:35-48 especially verse 40 "Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not."
Matthew 24:1-51 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. (2) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. (5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (8) All these are the beginning of sorrows. (9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. (10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. (11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) (16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: (18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. (19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (25) Behold, I have told you before. (26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. (27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: (33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. (34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (35) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (40) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (41) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (42) Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. (43) But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. (44) Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. (45) Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? (46) Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. (47) Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. (48) But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (49) And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; (50) The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, (51) And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The rapture is biblically true in scripture. It is one of the seven mysteries.
**2 SEPERATE EVENTS**
*#1)"Rapture"-Jesus COMING in the Clouds* with power and Great ***GLORY*** and GATHERING His Church, feet not touching the earth: **Matt.**24:30**-31**
*#2) "2nd Coming"- Jesus riding a white horse, COMING* with the Armies of heaven and DESTRUCTION, **Rev.19:11-21**
NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE Tribulation.
THESE are *"the 2nd Coming"*
Rev.19:11-21
Rev.16:17-21
Rev.14:17-20
Pre Trib is a LIAR.
*Simplified Maximum:*
Rapture-Matt.24:30-31
2nd Coming- Rev.19:11-21
Pre Trib- NO Book, NO Chapter, NO Verses.
Not a mystery anymore:
*1 Cor.15:51-52*
**@the LAST Trumpet**
1 Thess.4:16 *"VOICE** of an Archangel and the TRUMPET of God.
Rev.1:10 *"loud *VOICE** as of a TRUMPET"
*Rev.4:1 *"VOICE** like a Trumpet"
*Rev.10:7* "But in the days of **THE VOICE** of the Seventh Angel when he is about to sound, ****THE MYSTERY**** of God would be FINISHED as He declared to His servants, the Prophets."
The 2 Witnesses are PROPHETS and are Resurrected and Called Up and ***REWARDED*** *@the *LAST** *Trumpet:*
**Rev.11:*12-*18-19**
There is the Judgement seat of Christ and The Great White throne Judgement. Two separate events by about a thousand years. The former is for the Body of Christ and the latter is for the OT saints and the lost sinners.
@@JesusSavesandRomeEnslaves
WRONG.
The O.T. Saints aee covered under the blood of Christ.
*Heb.9* "For this reason He is Mediator of the New Covenant by means of death, *FOR THE TRANGRESSIONS UNDER THE FIRST COVENANT* that they who are called might recieve the promise of the eternal inheritance."
Daniels inheritance is at the end of the 2335 days, *Dan.12*
YOU will not preceed the O.T. saints.
Yes the gleanings you’re right but the rapture is still correct doctrine as there is more than one rapture in the bible.
Matthew 24:1-51 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. (2) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. (5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (6) And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (7) For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (8) All these are the beginning of sorrows. (9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. (10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. (11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. (14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) (16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: (18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. (19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. (23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (25) Behold, I have told you before. (26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. (27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. (29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: (33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. (34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (35) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (36) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (40) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (41) Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. (42) Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. (43) But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. (44) Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. (45) Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? (46) Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. (47) Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. (48) But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (49) And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; (50) The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, (51) And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus said that to Jews not to gentile believers. Study dispensationalism. Otherwise you confuse yourself and take scriptures for yourself that was not written for you. Listen to Robert Breaker’s teaching on dispensationalism.
@@davidson4090 dispensational multiple FASLE gospels. Robert has weird unbiblical teachings. Go read Mattthew 24 again.
@@proveallthings_521 read Matthew24 again. Don’t you get it? Verse 3. The disciples the Jews are asking Jesus about the end times. Jesus answers to the Jews. Verse 16 let those in Judea flee. Are you in Judea? Jesus is talking about the future Jews settling in Israel. Verse 20 why pray it’s not on sabbath? Cuz the Orthodox Jews cannot travel more than 3/4 mile. They will be slaughtered, unable to flee. Are you an Orthodox Jew? This is why a very good biblical hermeneutics is crucial in properly understanding the scripture precisely the way God intends for us. I encourage you to stop giving listeners unbiblical baseless opinions you have decided to pick up for yourself. Your thought is not God’s. He intends to save all of humanity so has written the inerrant scripture to cater to everyone in the past, present, and future. Because God is omnipotent and omnipresent, seeing and existing all things all at once, if you do not think like Him you will be confused and find yourself picking and choosing what feels right to you, which will be always wrong without good biblical foundation.
@@proveallthings_521 Robert does not have unbiblical teachings when it comes to scriptures. He has weird opinions on certain things but when it comes to the Bible verses, his teaching and doctrine is perfectly sound. Do your due diligence not falling into picking and choosing. If even one verse doesn’t make sense to you, then you got your theology all wrong because Bible is 100% inerrant. Matthew15:24-26. Jesus says He came for Jews and calls a gentile woman a dog. Are you going to deny this verse because that is not who Jesus is? Jesus Himself is making it very clear that we have to appropriately divide and perceive the times and seasons of God’s work of redemption. You do not have any perception of His salvation timeline then you will always be lost and teaching the wrong stuff. And you will be shamed before Jesus at the judgment seat of Christ
@@proveallthings_521 you are the one preaching the false gospels of doom and gloom that is not meant for Christians now but are meant for those who will be saved during the tribulation. Obviously you do not believe in Paul’s gospels and even Revelation. Jesus Himself divided the scriptures. Luke4:18-19. But He quotes only half of Isaiah61:2. How do you explain that. Jesus gives every evidence in His speech that we have to rightly divide. You are 100% wrong because of poor Bible teachings you chose to accept and your sin nature that screws your perception of grace and Jesus’s true love for His bride. Be careful. You will be left behind if you keep asking for it. I believe Jesus has no obligation to take someone who lacks child-like faith; they will never see the kingdom of heaven.
This early exit isn' scripture, the Lord never spoke of an early exit, and neither did any of his Prophets, nope not even Paul. Matthew 13:37-50 is Revelation 18:4 kjv. (Read, Verify)
No such thing as pre-trib...we are in tribulation, even companions and we are to comfort each other Revelation 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:4 kjv. Are we in Great Tribulation? for some Yes...for others No, but For sure, you will go through great tribulation until The Last Day, The End @ The Last Trumpet. John 16:33, 17:15 - John 6:54 - 1 Corinthians 15:52 kjv.
Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 tells us "remain until the Lord returns" and that day is Matthew 24:29-31 - Revelation 18:4 kjv.
(verify everything, and ask any question you want, if the owner of this channel will not ban me, I will answer with scripture)
Peace!
You guys are making a big mistake if you read that what were they saying? Paul had the write them a letter because there were people saying that the resurrection already happened so they being taught by the apostle Paul had thought they missed the resurrection they understood when the resurrection would be in the timeframe so that’s why Paul wrote a letter to ease their mind to let them know they did not miss the resurrection, and they are not in the day of the Lord what will happen that would institute being in the day of the Lord
First of all, I want to correct you if there’s two phrases or two phases one there’s a promise that he comes for his church. There’s a Jewish wedding. That is a perfect example that he will come back to receive his bride. This isn’t the second coming of price where he his foot will touch on the amount of olives and it will split in half, so either you guys can read your Bible and understand it or there’s a strong delusion and there’s gotta be a reason why you can’t simply understand scripture so there’s a promise that Jesus will go away in my fathers house. There are many mansions I go to prepare a place for you and when I am finished, I shall come again to receive he didn’t say come again to rule on the Earth, but to appear to receive you so that you shall be also where is Jesus Jesus he’s in heaven where are we going to heaven?
How do you say it’s reading into the text? It is very clear. There’s a promise that Jesus will appear in the cloud and the dead shall rise first and those who remain alive shall be caught up with them in the air to meet the Lord in the air, so shall we ever be with the Lordthat is found in the book of John where Jesus tells them that he’s coming back again to receive us to himself he’s not coming back to set up the kingdom until seven years later
@@paulgross3067 what does the Lord say? He is clear!
@@paulgross3067 he comes in the clouds yes! Last day, end of the world @ last trump. Matthew 24:29-31 kjv
This video contradicts itself when it claims imminent return yet after Matthew 24 completed. Please read this chapter and see how imminent return is ruined!
Your comment doesn't really make sense, as all the events in *Matt 24* take place AFTER the rapture. The events to unfold during that time (the tribulation period), immediately precede the return of Christ to earth.
@@Kman.
You a liar.
**2 SEPERATE EVENTS**
*#1)"Rapture"-Jesus COMING in the Clouds* with power and Great ***GLORY*** and GATHERING His Church, feet not touching the earth: **Matt.**24:30**-31**
*#2) "2nd Coming"- Jesus riding a white horse, COMING* with the Armies of heaven and DESTRUCTION, **Rev.19:11-21**
NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE Tribulation.
THESE are *"the 2nd Coming"*
Rev.19:11-21
Rev.16:17-21
Rev.14:17-20
Pre Trib is a LIAR.
*Simplified Maximum:*
Rapture-Matt.24:30-31
2nd Coming- Rev.19:11-21
Pre Trib- NO Book, NO Chapter, NO Verses.
The Doctrine of Imminence is THE Foundation of the entire Pre Tribulation Rapture belief.
Its built using a Sctiptures associated to THIEF or THIEF in the Night, which are all Scriptural CONTEXTS concerning *the 2nd Coming:*
1 Thess.5:2 *"THE DAY OF THE LORD* is like a THIEF in the night..."
2 Peter 3:10 "But *THE DAY OF THE LORD* is like a THIEF in the night..."
Rev.16:13-*15-16 "...Behold, *I COME AS A *THIEF** ...and they gathered them to... **ARMAGEDDON."**
@@Kman.bro this video says Christ returns and raptures us after Matthew 24:26 but rapture is before image of the beast.
@@nullCyborgNinja The problem with that (one of many), is the CHURCH isn't found in the Olivet Discourse. Trying to force the CHURCH into the dialogue is akin to trying to cram the proverbial square peg into the round hole. There's no reference to the CHURCH in the text...cero, zilch.
The Bible is basically a road map to the end times and one of the biggest talked about throughout the Bible is the rapture. The whole book of Ruth is about the rapture. Maybe this guy your ripping isn't presenting the truth to you concise enough but that doesn't make the rapture not real or true.
If you are interested in an in depth study about it, check out Pastor Cary Schmidt on youtube. He has a series going through the entire book of revelation I think it is 28 sermons breaking end times down in detail---going entirely by the word.
Not denying the rapture at all. There will be a rapture. Just don't believe it's before the trib starts.