YOU Season 4 is Just DUMB | Part 2 Explained
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Congratulations on calling the plot twist of Joe being the killer all along, Amanda. It was a little TOO convenient that he happened to black out around the same time Rhys supposedly committed the murders.
Good job! Use that hat! ❤👍
You had that. She matched your energy. She was unhinged for YOU.😂
I can't with this show. Such a disappointment.
The dumbest part is that the show has a knack for imbuing Joe with so much plot-relevant luck than Marienne's assumptions about how Joe might capable to talk his way out of Scotland's Yard are, well unfortunately, *correct.* In fact, Joe literwlly spent the first half of the season escaping to the police's scrutiny in spite being too dumb to escape to the rich folks'.
And I'm so sick and tired of it.
Nadia not calling the cops when she saw Marienne was the dumbest part of the season.
I would have literally called them no matter what she said she is locked in a CAGE I’m calling the cops lmao
@@gillybeano Technically Marienne's plan worked. She escaped and is free to live her life without Joe knowing. Nadia was the one going the extra mile trying to convict or murder Joe. But yes, I would've definitely called the cops.
joe would've convinced them it wasn't him that put her there and then pin it on marienne or killed her. that was the only exciting part of the season.
@@kite6864 lol the fact that you're actually trying to explain this idiocy doesnt make it less dumb. The only reason why she didn't call the cops is because Joe has plot armor.
Im the 200th like🤪
New idea for the next season: Benoit Blanc appears with no explanation and solves all the mysteries and puts Joe behind bars forever
Please!
Yes! That would actually make sense 😂
And Emily in Paris decides to start a true crime podcast 💀
@@kenzie82794 stooppp😭😭😂
You say this as a joke but it would fit in with the themes of the Benpit Blanc movies eerily well lmao
The only person who hates Joe more than Amanda is Penn himself and that brings me so much joy
Wait seriously? That’s kinda great lol
Preach, Penn is a genuine nice guy, and even HE'S disturbed by the way Joe's actions are romanticised by the public.
I happen to hate Joe so damn much.
To be honest, I love Joe. I live villains in general.
So you're telling me we have a Rob Pattinson/Edward Cullen sequel? Amazing
I'm so delighted that Phoebe was able to get her own happy ending as a teacher in Thailand, away from her wealth and fame. She deserves the entire world.
The actress did such a good job. I love Phoebe
Literally who cares
@@dapic98 someone wasn't hugged as a child
Wow you really hurt me I dont know how Im gonna recover from that
@@dapic98 your original comment was rude and unnecessary. Get help
Nadia calling the cops in spite of Marienne asking her not to and that making a different mess would've been more believable than what actually happened
Maybe that's one of the lessons of the show, that even if we think we're smarter than most, we should not believe we're this invincible and deal with such thing ourselves, while we could get the help of professionnals.
@@brasilisdewata could be, definitely a theory to look upon
I think most people would've been like, "Oh, wow, yeah, that makes sense, okay." Then blinked and said, "But here's the thing. POLICE. JAIL. He can't get you from there and he's like a multiple murderer, right? I don't think two non-athletic women separated by a glass cage should try to make this happen by ourselves."
But think about it. He’s got her in a cage and no one knows about it, not even the police and no one suspected a thing. So when she says he’ll get away with it, I’m sure it’s very believable. And given how obsessive he is, too dangerous
@@brasilisdewataUnless you’re the main character Joe. Then you basically are invincible and can get away with literal murder.
Can we talk about the ABSURDITY of Kate's relationship with Joe/Johnathan. Like she hates his guts and sees right through him and out of nowhere she does a 180 and falls in love, how convenient!
Pointless and made no sense!!
Also doesn’t she hate the father because of his crimes against humanity? Why then accept Joe even after knowing he has killed people?
That’s exactly what I was thinking
@@webpuppy12 the point was to give him another escape to let them make a season 5. Which... Why why why do we need a season 5 just kill the show already
I think they were going for an enemies to lovers thing, but it was just weird. Like he basically kept pestering her about random shit until she gave in.
It’s absolutely nuts how Joe was basically able to get away scott free when he’s been consistently killing ppl over the entire season and didn’t even realize he was doing it
Yeeeah that’s not how psychosis works. Still a twist
The second part of the season made me hate Joe. I was really hoping he'd go to jail or that his suicide was successful.
What’s even more unrealistic is that he’s tied to people money up the wazoo. These are people who have “kill you and get away with it” money and they just end up dead and NOBODY really questions it
@@Olivia-bl8ez it was supposed to be DID
@@Olivia-bl8ez he was disassociating
Dropping Anti-Hero at the end was absolutely hilarious though you have to give them that
Best part of the season, I paused it then screamed and ranted at my friend for a good 3 to 5 minutes. Anti-hero?!!? Wow.
them trying to recreate the viral Exile moment except theres zero impact....lol so much of this feels like them realizing that Victoria/Love and Joe were the big draws for the last 2 seasons, ""wait we fucked up" with her death and then trying to recreate those moments. the irony of Anti-Hero being used in the most unselfaware moment EVER just caps it
THAT AND CARDI B KFJFJF
I laughed so hard there were tears in my eyes when it came on
the only good song out of their absolutely shitty soundtrack
Girl, I relate to wanting someone, anyone, to ruin Joe's life. When I finished season 2, I wanted Jenna Ortega to come back and hunt his creepy ass down. Not the most logical thing, probably, but what happened to her sister pissed me off.
Love killed the sister, not Joe (which doesn't excuse him for the other things, of course. Plus, he would maybe have done it if Love didn't).
@@brasilisdewata I know Love killed her. However, Joe did look her in the cell, if I remember correctly. I don't remember the motivation for him putting her in there, but I'm sure it was something selfish. If he didn't lock her up, Love prob wouldn't have killed her.
@@santaclara6112 Delilah/the landlady was snooping through Joe’s apartment , found a key to the glass cage & found the cage. Also took photos and told the cop she was sleeping with about Joe
I rewrote the rest of the show in my head, taking place after season two. The next two seasons, which follow an oc named Eponine, basically follow her bonding with them and then tracking down Joe to the detriment of everything else in her life. Honestly, I was just tired of Joe not getting his upcoming, but now I like the story. It’s called “Him”. I might start posting it to AO3.
Jenna did have plans to join in on the fun in season 4 but filming Wednesday made it a impossible for her to be the n both shows
I expect Season 5's finale to end with a musical number
A Taylor Swift medley set to a montage of moments that fit each song 😂
Ha, not out of the question, the moght go the full Riverdale!
Not me having Vietnam War-style flashbacks to Don't Worry, Darling
Its painful to recall how seriously and promisingly it all started in Season 1
The peanut oil allergy was a callback to Benji from season 1 and clued me in on it not being real, just Joe's subconsciousness
Yes the allergy and the fact that there was a cup of coffee. I was like "yeah this is copying Benji" because he definitely would have known if she had an allergy
That and the fact that I’ve never heard of peanut oil being in coffee?
@@mayissalty6279 the point is that Joe adds the peanut oil in. He isn't buying it from the coffee shop with peanut oil in it.
@@paigeb1236
Aye, but we get no context for why he would have put it in Marienne's coffee, which was another hint to me that something was "off" about that situation. With Benji it was obvious and he explicitly stated his allergy
@@riptobias yeah i know that lol i was just explaining to this person that peanut oil isn't usually in coffee ahaha
What they did to Nadia legitimately upset me. I was so sad for her
Should’ve minded her business 🤷🏾♂️
SERIOUSLY 🥲
@@Tyrone-Wardweirdo
Joe has canonically killed 18 people, framed 4 people, directly responsible for 4 other murders
And has placed 8 people in his cage and only 4 of those cage people made it out alive no thanks to him except for Will from season 2.
With that being said, I enjoyed this season and want justice for my girl Nadia.
I enjoyed it too, but the ending was irritating.
How in hell did you enjoy this season... It literally doesn't feel like YOU anymore.... 🤦🏻 He doesn't feel like the OG Joe...
@@wildcard2741 This is the best season because Joe finally comes to terms with who he is. I would argue this is the best season so far.
@@wildcard2741 because he is not. He is not the same as he was when season 1 started. I thought it would be obvious that murdering people and not being able to justify yourself anymore would change everyone.
Character development is key to every series. If everyone stays the same, does the same things and doesnt change even a bit, be serious, would you watch?
That being said, I didn't even like season 4. I understand what they wanted to do, but I think the portayal of mental illness was as poor as it can be
@@ash_baistic3293 this season is all over the place and it nothing makes sense. Worst writing!
nadia finding out marienne was so annoyingly convenient, i wish they built around it JUST a little more to add to the believability
Ya gotta suspend belief for a lot of the show which I’ve learned to accept.
@@bestnameeverf I think it's just the timing that feels off, her discoveries are no paced properly. Parts 1 and 2 almost feel like two different seasons, so Nadia's investigation just seem to go so fast. I suspend my disbelief to the point of actually liking Joe even when he's at his most stupidly destructive, but the pacing of this season is just all over the place lol
Her entire character was just for plot convenience, which was annoying. I was happy that she was caught in the end, just because if she was the reason for Joe's letdown, it wouldn't have feel earned
Right. She was just student jeez. They upped the campiness to an extreme this season
Phoebe was the best character in the show in general and I will not take any arguments against that.
Her, Love and Marienne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yesss, I just wanted the best for her the entire time. Was genuinely so glad she was okay in the end
Her and Love are my favorite characters.
Also Delilah and Elle
@@Parthivigupta Yeah You has great female characters but most of them end up being effed over at some point!
I wanna know how Joe jumped off a bridge and then was in the hospital but then still manages warp speed back to his apartment and all the sudden knows exactly what Nadia and her boy toy were up to enough to just slit a throat and think to put the knife in Nadia's hands for the set up? Hospital is required to keep suicide attempts for 72 hours minimum. Thats what fucked it for me. Joe ain't that slick.
I guess this could also be taken as plot armor?
I mean hes rich now
All though it still may not have made sense, I wanted to add that I think the doctors were told he just fell. Kate asks Joe if he really fell or jumped.
They were under the pre tense that he fell. He only told Kate he jumped.
Hospital assumed he slipped and fell by accident because that’s what they told Kate but she asked for the truth. Also Kate can get him out early if he wanted to.
My biggest thing was the cage. How is he building it? It made sense the other seasons but there’s no way he could’ve done it undetected this season.
exactly, how is it transported, wouldn't someone notice a large van driving near that abandoned building and putting stuff inside, and the whole organising things to travel and get it there in the first place, does he know or want the cage with him in eng like is that the plan to put it there? and no one else watched him go in there those other times when hes building it or with Marienne? only nadia thinking to look? like you said, the other seasons make sense, putting the cage in storage? makes sense because its storage for books but in an abandoned building?
“This is a straight relationship. You are not allowed to u-haul.”
Imagine my face after hearing this and right after finishing “Feel Good” for the 6th time
I love Feel Good! So underrated
Seeing victoria pedretti in season 2 when I knew her from Bly Manor (who was in a sapphic relationship) was already enough of a shocker to me. It all happened again when I saw Charlotte Ritchie this season.
Cccc😅
the weirdest bit was how fast nadia turned her back on joe and started to suspect him. she adored him and she started to suspect him really out of thin air. it really felt off. and i truly wanted her to have a different kind of involvement in everything tbh. i gotta say though, the scene in which joe frames her is probably one of the best and off-putting scenes the show ever gave us, so at least we got that out of it.
i personally refuse and won't label what happens with Joe this season DID. i'd rather think they wanted a visual representation of joe's strong internalized denial about himself, laced with a psychotic break, but i honestly don't think nor want to call it DID. it's just purposefully theatrical is all, lmao.
I agree. I think it's just a Representation of how he compartmentalizes things in his mind. And people can suppress memories Of truamatic events, So I began to think maybe that's what him not recalling the Murders was. The mind is powerful and he so wants to believe he's this hero good guy.
🎯
There's no way they wanted us to think that was DID right? Like we're all assumed to know that there's no earthly way this is how DID would manifest
@@sii479 i have my doubts because of the terms they employ sometimes during interviews.
@@jaman_jy 😟 oh no
The one thing that would've tied this whole season together would be a 'Fight Club' style scene where Joe pummels the crap out of himself. Also, guess the ending will just neglect the fact that Sherry and Cary are two wealthy media figures who could very easily dispute Joe's 'victim' narrative. There's also Love's family and Jenna Ortega from S2 who'd likely have some notes.
there's also the private investigator that was hired by peach's family (who are also rich 💁🏻♀️) and also the JAR from season 1 is there. i keep patiently waiting for it all to pile up so it can blow up at joe's face at last
@@runawayfromme77 Also...yk...there's more than one hitman in the world. The Quinn family has a mean streak and could get in touch with one of them.
Exactly! With moving back to NYC there are so many people to call Joe out at least for leaving. Any of his old friends or Beck’s old friends would be confused as to why he dipped to Madre Linda in the first place? And how he’s come out of it all rich and happy? So many loose ends, it’s not sustainable.
THIS THANK YOU
And Becks Dad, and maybe Engler but I doubt it.
the biggest fumble to me was that they explained the fact that joe killed the ‘eat the rich’ victims for various stupid random reasons instead of going for the obvious “he killed them because they upset kate”.
I mean c’mon. joe’s whole things is he kills people for the girls he’s obsessed with. he could kill malcom because he fancied kate at that point and it could fit with his whole ‘subconscious’ thing. like subconsciously getting rid of competition. he could kill simon because simon was a shitty boss to kate. and then they literally had a scene where gemma was being obnoxious to the staff and Kate was rolling her eyes and looking disgusted, a less stable and subconscious joe could easily justify that kill to make kate happier.
I was so shocked when they didn’t go that angle, like idk if it’s because Rhys was technically Joe’s ‘You’ for the season, not Kate. but he was still into Kate and it would fit his MO, and tie into the end better .
I think we can't take Joe's own rationalizations completely straight, even when they seem set up as a moment of sudden clarity, so your take ain't necessarily disputing what the show presented IMHO. Dude kills for two reasons, to save his own ass and to "defend his maiden's honor".
Because that's not true at all. Seasons 1 and 2 shows us how he would kill without romantic love. He isn't one note.
Eh not necessarily. He killed Henderson, he also killed that guy with the meat grinder. And those had nothing to do with love or a woman he loves
@@GuelermeDias No. He doesn't just kill for those reasons. We've seen him kill before for other reasons.
I think for part of it he was still fascinated with Marienne because subconsciously he knew she was there. I rewatched, knowing what I know now, and I don't think he was romantically interested in Kate at first. I think, based on his obsession with Rhys' story, that he would kill to get into the elite circle. It makes sense in the series but not in real life 😅
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The main thing that annoyed me with this season is that Joe luck this season was ramped up to eleven to the point that it took me out of the experience lol.
1) not only did no one, not a single soul notice him not talking to himself. He also managed to kill people in the same place as other people, but escape just on time without getting caught at all.
2) He lucked out twice with women from Love and Kate. Two women that knows all about his past, and was like that’s ok I accept you still and then help him ruin the life of another
i mean love also murders people
Joe is like Mike Myers. Dude wont die.
i'd argue that Kate doesn't really know. he just told her he killed people, from what we've seen, and she has a "don't ask" policy so she probably didn't dig for details either. the safest bet is that she justified it in her head since she has no idea who, how and why he ever murdered, nor how many people.
@@jaman_jy Yeah, as far as we know she only thinks Joe killed Love in defense and to escape and killed Rhys because her father forced him to.
@@bestnameeverf fr 😂 I just wanted to see him die lmao
The absence of Victoria Pedretti keeps making me forget there's a 4th season.
I could have watched Joe and Love being a messy murder couple forever
@@nuggetpai In my heart they are together forever. 🙏
@@nuggetpai ditto ditto ditto... way more compelling than where they took it
@@nuggetpai I would have even loved the exact same season with Love only with her narrating
Thank God it's not the fans who write the show.
Someone explain this to me.
1. When Roald pushed Joe out of the window, did Joe immediately get up to go kill Gemma and then go back to the bushes? Because I can't imagine getting tossed out of a window, getting up like nothing happened, killing someone, going back to lie in the bushes again and then waking up just as Kate screams upon finding the body.
2. When Nadia loses her shit because the cage is missing and screaming about how she didn't know where the woman went. But a while later she tells Eddie that she saved Marienne's life. Was that whole thing just an act so Eddie wouldn't know she helped Marienne?
3. When Roald and Joe was in the basement, who lit the place on fire? It shows Rhys kicking over the lantern, which I thought could be argued away as Joe doing it. But Joe is so far away from the lantern, there's no way he could have knocked it over, especially since he's chained up too. So how did the place catch on fire?
just here quietly waiting for answers as well
The second point has literally left me dumbfounded.. cause she screamed and then she told eddie about her saving marinne.... why did she put on an act for no reason lol
There is literally so many plot holes xD
They actually show number 3. The lantern was actually next to Joe, he just placed it further away in his mind.
@@camilaferrorojas I must be blind, because I watched that scene back to back and not once was that lantern anywhere close to Joe. But, I suppose, I could just be looking into it too much.
The problem with shows like this is that the writers feel like they need to up the stakes every season to keep the show fresh and interesting, but that also means things become more convoluted and less believable. The first season or two, they could get away with Joe being a stalker/murderer who maybe has a few close calls but is good at covering his tracks on a small scale. But this season and the last are just relying on so many coincidences and lucky chances, that it's not even interesting to watch anymore. Of course Joe happens to only dissociate/hallucinate when nobody else will notice. Of course the woman who seemed to be on to him is actually just a stalker herself and he therefore gets to be the hero. There are so many other moments that I'm not even going to mention, but my point is that by heightening the stakes and the scale, the show is really just losing it's tension, in my opinion.
well said
Yeah you nailed it
For me it jumped the shark by Season 2 already. From the horror of projecting "YOU" (pun intended) into the behavior of a psychotic sociopath who sometimes acted a bit like yourself, this turned into Mr and Mrs Smith and then into this sampler of "cool ideas we could do with a serial killer on screen".
People like me with DID or Schizophrenia are TRHILLED to see our two disorders once again mashed up as one to justify killing people and then getting a "gasp" twist, so GREAT ^^ Besides that I usually like the show but I think this season also has a rythm problem maybe I don't know the only episode I liked was the one narrated by Marianne but other than that I had a hard time keeping watching it
I can't imagine how much this type of writing pisses you off. I'm sorry these writers are so lazy.
I am BEGGING companies to stop using what they think is DID. In actuality from what you described was psychosis and disossication, but wow that was absolutely muddy.
Did they confirm it was DID? I was actually quite happy because I thought they did and joe was just deep in denial.
Do you think these companies have moral compass? They will always demonize people with mental illness forever. They won’t stop it.
Hannibal Lecter? Mental illness.
Ramsay Bolton? Mental illness.
Tony Soprano? Mental illness.
Darth Vader? Mental illness.
Tyler Durden? Mental illness.
Joker? Mental illness.
Joe Goldberg? Mental illness.
Because mental illness is such an easy excuse to rationalize the awful behavior and free these characters from personal accountability. A cheap trick to make the audience root for them without considering the dangerous effects on the people in real life who are suffering from this.
@@Aisha_Luv Penn confirmed it in an interview
Joe finding an abandoned property in London is probably the most unbelievable part of the whole story, they are charging close to £1k for rent for a single room, that place would be on Spareroom in a hot minute under a shitty title like "dreamhouse off the beaten path/rustic living experience" & you`d have to share it with like 7 other people.
THANK YOU , I was thinking the same, makes absolutely no sense.
to be fair, he did have loves bank account 🤷♀️
I’m so sick of him escaping I feel like they’ve done everything they can at this point. He should’ve been caught or murdered this season and just end the show but nope of course not. Have to run series like this for years right into the ground for that $$$
just don't watch the show. What's the problem?
Yeah I am not struggling through another season of this. I barely got through this one. They will stretch this until the money stops flowing.
@@ekaf1735 because I’m invested and want to see it to its end but it frustrates me how much less I enjoy it now then all the other seasons that despite criticism from many others I personally loved
This is actually the final season
the point is that there is no longer the "redeemable" side of joe anymore that we see throughout the seasons. He is the full on monster now with no remorse.
In a way, I highly doubt it will last. I think it's just their way to finish the season. But there always was 2 sides of the character, as he is the two sides (as Kate's father said to his daughter "you're not your mistakes"). Having different sides is what makes him an interesting character. Just being a Disney evil char "hahaha I am evil and I will hurt you all with no remorse" is not interesting in such a series.
I want hope he suffers from his crimes.
@@brasilisdewata you could argue that seeing joe stay the same as he was since the beginning would also eventually not last as it would start to basically become milking, your characters should have progression, nothing wrong with that, because let's be honest, you can either continue to nitpick about joe getting away with everything or you can either finally see him as the monster he always has been, now he's just accepted it
@@mishiman420 I agree especially since Kate’s Dad told Joe they were the same lol also Joe shares parallels with Adam and Dawn so I think it’s clear that he’s gonna get what’s coming to him next season I feel like… could be wrong tho
@@mishiman420 The only problem I have with the idea of "the monster he always has been" is that people tend to simplify and to just believe people "are" their worst part. Like if the good there was in us doesn't exist or is all made up only. Real life and motivations are more complicated than this.
About being a scenario, you're right that the character has to evolve etc. But it's better when it's well done. I personnaly prefer something that shows that even being good on some parts of your life and personnality doesn't excuse you for the way you hurt others, so you have to be punished for it, while just punishing someone who is just pure evil is way more easy.
To acknowledge and accept the bad part of ourselves, and the idea that we are not perfect doesn't suddenly transform us in one sided cartoon evil character.
I knew exactly how the Rhys thing was gonna go, but the show lost me with Nadia not calling the cops immediately.
Like, you've been showing me that this is a pretty smart person. She seems to be Joe's best student, she's helping him with the whodunit stuff. She's smart. But not calling the cops when she finds Marienne makes her the single dumbest character in the entire series. It's insane. Don't listen to the traumatized woman in a box, call the fucking cops and get her out of there.
Then there's the logistics of how Joe kidnapped Marienne from a crowded train station and got her back to his apartment in the middle of the day. Or how he got all the materials for his people terrarium into that abandoned basement in what seems to be a fairly busy area. It's all so fucking dumb.
I'm gonna watch next season hoping it's the last, just to see how things wrap up, but my buy-in is completely gone for this show
The part I can't get over is...how is he able to come back to the U.S. as Joe Goldberg and do press conferences like Loves parents didn't come from money and aren't still around. Remember...her father paid someone to kill him and the mother was fighting for custody of his child and told him that Love killed her last husband. Every season, there's someone left behind that knows his story. The girl from LA in the apt complex, Maryanne and Nadia. This next season better be his take down because it's gone too far now. Plus...what about the news articles and the books the friends wrote in LA after their death. He cut his toes off to frame Love but now he's alive and kicking?
No bc i forgot ab love's parents you're so right
Joe admitted to killing Love in self defense or just said she was a killer and he faked his death .He paid off Jenna Ortega’s character and she doesn’t know everything
ALSO PEACHES FAMILY
I think they are self aware of the jumbled mess bc they made Joe tell Nadia that her paper had too much going on and too mnay plot twists and I think it was just foreshadowing
Omg. If this is true im going to start rampaging in the streets. That is so stupid
Love the use of Joseph instead of Joe after he was talking about "just wanting to be loved completely"
Ummmm did y'all forget the pasts season that Joe killed not because of the woman he "loved"? He killed Paco's step dad in season 1 and the pdphile season 2 and they had nothing do with Beth or Love respectedly. Joe has never been one note. It's just he had one note that was more prevalent.
They don't pay attention and try too hard to seem clever
In fact, Joe actually never killed anyone for Love at all 💀 he killed the guy who Will owed money to + the p3do. Sure, he was responsible for Delilah, Candace, and Forty's deaths, but he didn't do them either lmao
Still makes his reason to his current killing stupid and out of character.
@@cidevant002 Not really. It wasn't even his killing. He wasn't himself when he killed, he was Rhis. If you paid attention, how Joe acted with Marienne, was not the same when the Rhis personality took over. So yes, it is LITERALLY out of character on purpose. And even then, you still can't say that Joe ONLY kills for his You because that was never the case. First kill, he insulted Marienne, so reasonable for his character. Second kill, he took advantage of a young girl and lied to Kate, reasonable to his character since he has killed for other younger people like this. Third kill, she was annoying, was very rude to Kate, and was asking too many question, self preservation.
In my opinion, Joe killing Paco's stepdad and the pdphile in season 2 makes sense. Paco's stepdad was a pain in the ass for someone he loved and he identified to somehow (Paco). And the pdphile, someone abusing young people, Joe somehow felt like he had to protect younger people (and the abused Delilah) . But most of the killings in this season, it doesn't make so much sense.
I honestly couldn’t believe they let him off AGAIN and in a way that gives him infinite resources to continue killing and not getting caught. I for sure thought he was going to get what he deserved at the end of this season. I am so so soooo rooting for Marienne to be the one to finally kill him. She was my favorite character this season, which is wild since she was in less than half of it. I loved Nadia, absolutely wild how she’s just in prison. Overall I thought the season was kind of mid compared to the last 2 seasons, but I appreciate the change in the formula bc it was at least more interesting to watch than Joe’s usual.
The second Marianne told Nadia they couldn't call the cops, I had to literally stop watching because it was one of the dumbest decisions that made absolutely no sense. the show could've ended there, but ig Joe going to jail isn't enough of a satisfying ending?? I feel like I'm just watching the writers on a loop try to paint Joe as a good guy, and then they remember he''s the villain halfway through the season... every single season
I mean she was practically starved and was going insane before nadia vame in
A lot of people do see their abusers as being almost all powerful though, I thought there was a scary grain of truth in the dynamic.
This season is a totally unnecessary fever dream of a journey.
In part 1 I felt really clever for working out the big twist, but then Episode 7 came along and completely delivered it in the most hamfisted way possible. Such a shame it’s yet another case of DID resulting in psychopathic murdering alters.
It’s not DID here, it’s dissociation following a concussion from Marianne defending herself
Yeah that was stupid, I would've preferred it if that wasn't the route they took.
I agree the delivery was very poor. Although I don't know if this counts as DID, as there was a lot of hallucinations involved which as far as I understand, isn't a symptom of DID? The while split personality & the clever person being the main guy all along is an over used cliche & I really expected something more unique from You.
@@beritheuck1067 Ah my apologies - the way the show delivered the Rhys twist made me confused what the exact cause was, but I’m pretty sure you’re right about the proper reason for the symptoms.
It’s so funny that you predicted the twist. Like I couldn’t stop laughing when I watched this thinking about how you said it would be dumb and they STILL did it lmaooooo
But otherwise Lady Phoebe was still awesome, Kate was dull then fun then dull again, justice for Nadia, I wish we got more of Victoria Pedretti, and the chokehold that Taylor Swift has on this show needs to END
Preach, I think that we ALL predicted that crazy twist, and agree that Phoebe deserves the entire world.
Lol, they won't change the scenario because Amanda called it, and she called it because the entire part 1 is what it is because of the part 2 (and there was a huge community of the series talking about this plot twist and explaining why).
@@brasilisdewata Explain why doesn't change how dumb it is.
Haha, same. I thought of Amanda when it was revealed he wasn't real.
I need someone to please explain the last few minutes of part 1. If Joe was imagining Rhys, then he chained himself to the wall (or at least made it appear that he was chained). But then he set a fire from which he couldn’t escape. Even though he kept getting called a hero, if Kate hadn’t come around when she did, it looked like he and Roald would have died in the fire. What was the real version of what happened in that scene?
It explained that he trapped himself and started the fire. He truthfully believed it wasn't himself that put him in the predicament. So essentially, yes, he was responsible for his near death.
i also don't understand this stupid concept of Rhys' being non-existent and just joe's hallucination/imagination. I hated it soo much. I don't believe it at all. It doesn't any sense. i don't think i'll watch season 5.
@@janejustin1788 if things that you can't understand are stupid for you then you probably shouldn't watch anything that's for people older than 6
@@janejustin1788 Rhys did exist joe literally killed him joe has split personality’s and Rhys is one of them joe is so In denial of his actions he is blaming someone else for his own actions because he thinks he is being a good guy. To answer your question more directly Rhys is a real character it’s just the relationship between him and joe was all in joes head
@@janejustin1788I thought he was imagining him from the beginning
I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I took the dream he had about Marianne having an allergic reaction to peanut oil as a flashback of him killing Benji, this time with Marianna as the victim
I rewatched from the beginning after finishing s4 and thought the same thing! I also thought the way he hallucinated Rhys was reminiscent of how he hallucinated Beck in season 2. The only thing he said to confirm that she wasn’t real was that he knew she was dead.
Okay but penn literally gave away the plot of this season when he made the anti hero tiktok
How? The plot wasn't them playing the song nor do the lyrics give any insight to the plot. Stop reaching.
@@maddiemiserable4659 no no, they’re right tbh
I don’t have tik tok, I had no idea.
have I watched a single episode of You? No. Will I ever watch one? Likely not. Have I waited for Amanda to tell me what batshit crazy stuff went down in the rest of S4? Hell yeah
Nine times out of ten, if a certain character is only ever seen interacting with the protagonist, chances are that they're either a ghost or a figment of their imagination. You definitely called this plot twist, Amanda! 😉
The Sixth Sense ruined us
the killer that kills rich people rich appears he is rich himself that does not make sense
Yeah, there was tons of videos and commentaries everywhere about this plot twist when the part 1 was out. Too many weird things happened, leading to this theory.
I also tickled when the American told him "What was that?" when Joe's said "I'm fine" to Rhys at the dinner, and I replayed the scene to wonder what the scenarist wanted to tell us at this moment. The whole plans of Rhys were too much luck based and so unlikely to happen, and the app installed on his phone made no sense either as Rhys had no idea he would get away with the murder in the 1rst place and then was surprised he got rid of the body.
The only thing that made me highly doubt this theory in the end was the fire in the cave, where Joe himself could have not escaped if Kate did not arrive in time to save him. So it was so stupid coming from him.
Also, it's very weird he was at the end of the table at dinner with an empty place beside him.
@@brasilisdewata that does not make sense at all
then the killer signs up to be candidate for mayor in london who does that?
They could end the series here but Penn wants to do one more season. My guess is Marieann gets Nadia out of prison and they get their revenge on him.
Not too mention Paco, Jenna Ortega's character, the piss jar, Love's assassin hiring family, the crazy photographer lady doesn't have an alibi for ANY??? of Joe's murders. There are so many things that can come back to bite him in the ass. Unfortunately I wouldn't expect any of this from these writers.
@@lokstir4568 All good points especially now that Joe is using his name again and getting all the publicity on tv. So much for keeping a low profile. I guess all that money emboldens him.
Penn Badgley contracted for six years or seasons. He wants to end with 5 rather than the 6 is his contracted for.
I think the LAST thing Marieann would do is get involved again with Joe. He’s in America again and far away from her and her daughter. She probably want to keep it that way
Sounds like a real homerun of a season lol
Idk why they thought it was a good idea to split it into two parts. Even though the parts came out close to each other, I couldn't remember who any of the new characters were when I started part 2 and had to watch some of part 1 again to remember who they even were.
So people don’t cancel Netflix. If they know the show they like is coming back in less than a month chances are they will not cancel it until they have finished watching it. If they released it all at once a lot of people would have cancelled sooner.
They could've had a really interesting storyline exploring Rhys as Joe's You this season but they fumbled. They still could've had Marienne in the cage, with Joe keeping her there so he can show her he can change just like Rhys did. He'd visit periodically to lament about how the London group (Simon et. al) were asses and deserve to die but he wasn't killing them because he'd changed. But as he gets more obsessed with Rhys and his redemption arc, he loses himself in this You relationship and slowly forgets to hold himself "accountable" to Marienne and this in turn lets him lose focus on remaining "good" until he falls back into old habits and starts killing again for Rhys' sake. But eventually he realizes Rhys fabricated some parts of his story and so that sends Joe into a spiral and he plans to abduct Rhys only to remember he still has Marienne in the cage but when he goes back to kill her, she's already escaped maybe with Nadia's help and there could've been a subplot of how Nadia and Marienne had been building a case this whole time that would expose Joe for the monster that he is and finally we get to see some comeuppance for Joe. Totally could've left out the allusion to DID. But what do I know? Nobody pays me to write movie scripts.
I don’t watch YOU ( the show) but I have been waiting for you to talk about part 2.
Same
Yup. No interest at all in the show but love whatever Amanda talks about
Same I just support amanda
The whole Rhys manifesting as Joe's bad side, I had hoped they wouldn't go there but they did and I hated it, it seemed so lazy writing. But I loved the Marianne in a box episode, the acting, the visuals, I loved it. Tho I think when he jumped off the bridge, that should have been the end of the show. Maybe too easy but it would have seemed like a clean cut at least
Because of your plot twist theory you mentioned in the first video, I went into watching You with that in mind and was so underwhelmed when it turned out to be true. I’m so tired of tv shows and movies justifying psychopaths’ behavior by using amnesia or what is essentially Schizophrenia. What a cop out.
They're not excusing it. Jesus. They are making it even more inexcusable then prior season which tried to make us have some sympathy for Joe. Because he was killing pieces of shit people. Not making it ok just giving him a motive which makes sense to him the killer. It's the audience that's always trying to excuse him.
It's not schizophrenia.
DID here, but they were not justifying anything. You can actually be a horrible person with a mental illness. The show has never justified what Joe is doing, it's all been Joe justifying it for himself.
It's not really schizophrenia, it's some kind of mix up of extreme psychosis and a dissociative disorder. The fact that his symptoms are so extreme yet so tidy and wrap themselves up at the end and don't affect any other part of his mental functioning is wild.
@@MsSonali1980 "what is essentially schizophrenia". i mean its better than people trying to think its DID because of split
seeing joe clean shaven is so weird
He looks a lot younger
The finale being that he’s “honest with himself” almost made me mad, but I couldn’t be surprised
Well that's just what he thinks.
I find it hard to believe someone as careful Joe is that he would not not at least have a camera in the glass box room lol also would assume he has move than one little lock to get in there. Or maybe he’s just a terrible kidnapper 😂
He is stupid Dexter
Honestly I have no idea where Joe's story is going anymore, it deviated so much from the source material, while the author felt like she needed to change the original plot and write more sequels to make sense of the differences between the adaptation and her stories. It's such a mess when it didn't need to be one.
I liked parts of the season but it definitely wasn't executed well. The dad reveal was good and genuinely shocked me, and I really liked Phoebe's story as well. I would've enjoyed a show about just her life honestly. I also liked the political aspect before they switched that on everyone.
so basically this all couldve been what a lot of us wanted Love and Joe to be...or for Love to have gotten out alive somehow and been turning the tables on Joe. Couldve had it all
I really like this show, but I know that most things are mediocre at best. Things i liked in this season were Phoebe as a whole, the hallucinations when Marienne was about to die, but especially the idea of Kates dad. I liked him, because imo it showed how Joe would have been as a dad, as the contra point to season 3 and the 'kid makes you a better person' shtick. I do believe that, would Joe have decided to be a father instead of just a creator, he would have been extremely obsessive and controlling, because that is how he 'loves'.
I honestly would’ve preferred it if Reece was actually real and Joe had to face a real monster just as bad as him just in a different way.
"He...just completely forgot how obsessed he was."
Seems like the writers were taking notes from Benioff and Weiss, then.
Personally I agree with your last statement, it needs to end next season. It's full circle coming back to New York and to be honest it will be a little fun watching Joe go full out for a few episodes without the need to try and make him redeeming. But that will only be entertaining for limited time and if the plan is to show Joe at his most dangerous then spend the the rest of the season taking him down, I'm 100% here for it. Bonus points if Ellie, Nadia, and Marienne go Charlie's Angels on him (won't happen, but a girl can dream). Just as long as he doesn't end up a lumberjack in the Canadian wilderness, I think it could still work. However, that said, if 5 isn't the penultimate ending, I think the drop off will be substantial.
So funny, you called it about the Brit guy being on some Fight Club shit. I legit laughed at the reveal. Well done, Amanda!
I loved the plot twists this season, and the scene of Beck and Love scolding him was just impeccable. But fucking hell this man deserves absolutely nothing that he got at the end of the season, I just wanna see him get arrested or killed already
This feels like an elementary school story that ends with “and it was all a dream”
for me YOU just ended right at the river scene, him surviving and having a "happy ending" is sooo odd to me, specially when this aired right after Women's day
Haven’t read but heard in the book joe wins as well. He gets access to money and gets away with it.
I also thought the river scene was the only end that was possibly left for the character, like there was no where else to go plot-wise, he can no longer go on pretending to be a good guy even to himself. And him just becoming a fully-aware serial killer seems against the entire character premise and not very interesting to tell in the first place either.
Your “BESTIE NOOO” is so fucking funny cuz literally every girl that comes along tells him this same shit and they all believe it cuz he’s Penn Badgley lol
I waited for this video since part 2 came out. Get them Amanda!
I actually debated canceling my Netflix last month because of this show but I'm honestly glad I'm missing out on this disaterpiece.
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Yes!!!!!! Thank you!! Ive been looking for someone to vent to but none of friends got past the last season
I was just thinking about this today like When is Amanda uploading her video for part 2?!
amanda you are so good at pinpointing what i don't like about a show that i had to come here immediately after watching so i could figure out what it is.
I really don’t think it’s a problem they dropped it in two parts, it gave us time to watch it without all the final reveals being spoiled.
i'm just gonna say it now: JOE AND RHYS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANNIGRAM 2.0 AND THE CREATORS ARE COWARDS. I HATE the whole 'people with split personalities are evil' thing they had going on. It wasn't even accurate to DID. My friends and I watched pt2 together and were just stunned into silence at the end with how utterly horrible it was. just BOOOOO
From my knowledge nobody said anything about it being DID. They said it was erotomania or something like that. Yes he was dissiciating but that doesn't necessarily mean he has DID. And from what I saw Joe doesn't.
@@ealpacaf.7463 He has Erotomania, yes, but the split personality is the problem. Him having an evil 'alter ego' and it all being in his head made it feel cheap and just gross to witness. The show themselves never called it DID but that's what many of the fans have taken away from it and it shows that their execution was truly poor. That's my biggest problem with it, is that everything was sloppy all around. I really liked part 1 of the season, it felt newer than s3, but pt2 just killed it for me. My friends and I sat there in stunned silence at how fast it all went down hill as we binged it. Such a bummer, honestly! :/
The moment I finished season 4.2 I was waiting for your video, thank you so much for this treat!
Amanda!!! I would love love love to see you review S1 of the Sandman!
Tbh I loved season 4. Yes it might not be he most rational in place but it's like guilty pleasure candy for me. I kinda loved seeing Joe go off the rails
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Why is there so so much narrative/adr? Tbh, all I've seen the season 4, and tbh I haven't seen all of season 4. But I did start watching it and I am so so confused why Joe has almost no lines in the show but we can constantly hear his internal dialog. It takes me out of the show everytime Penn's deep ass voice comes booming in, like why? Are all the seasons like this?
@@Throatzillaaa yes, every season is like that. It's a bit of a staple for the series and can definitely be awkward when joe is just sitting there staring at them and never responds. I personally think it's not that bad, as a lot of the adr is entertaining and is used to try to lure you in and make you on his side, which I felt like the directors of the show were kind of aiming for until this season.
@@ClaveBBY I just had no idea and definitely wasn't prepared for it. Doesn't it also seem like Penn's voice is just so much deeper during his narration than just his normal speech? I can see why that may be better than having the two voices sound exactly the same, though (plus we do sound different in our own heads than we do when we hear a recording). I don't have a problem with anyone just trying something new in a film series though (or any art form) so maybe I should start at the beginning and give it a fair chance.
They really should have owned Joe going off the rails instead of the whole dissociative thing
In a weird way this show came up with a way to be cancel-proof in a Netflix world because if they cancel it after this season he gets away with pure evil.
Was DYING for this video!! Came as soon as I saw it 😍💕
Yes, if only people called the cops and bought curtains, 99% of You wouldn’t have happened
My face the whole time you described the dissociating: 😟
One of the best scenes for me was when Katie tells her dad to back off as she's worked hard to create a life on her own with no help from him...and Tom tells her he's responsible for EVERY job she's ever had, magazine coverage, made sure she got that nice apartment and even squashed a story on Malcolm sexually harassing women that Katie never knew about. The look on her face realizing her dad has been controlling her all this time and now ready to "cash in on my investment," was amazing, so much better than rest of the year.
Thank you! I was so confused. I was on episode 9 and I was like "is this every going to get better?" and then I was looking online for other people's reviews and I was seeing people were loving it. It was so awful. The writing. It was just bad.
Sometimes i really love some of the shows and moovies that Amanda doesn´t like (avatar and You) but i really love to hear her perspective and opinion. Thanks alot for your work, i really like your videos. btw Joe and Emily would be a total hit.
These videos are how I keep updated with this series, because I couldn't watch it for real, so thank you :D
Also it's amazing to see Charlotte Ritchie in such a different character than the one I know her for, which is a goofball in BBC Ghosts.
Okay, but the biggest plot hole is the texting app... who is texting him then??? Was the app in his head? I guess it could be since they disappear after he reads them, and can't track it.
I think the point is that it was all hallucinations.
@singinginfrontofthefan okay that's kinda what I figured
The only well thought out plan was when Nadia managed to save Marienne. Everything else felt so forced
This video was great, I love your retelling of the season
I loved certain elements of this season. But I didn’t like how any of them worked together or the execution of most of them. And I was severely hoping this would be the last season. I’m sick and tired of them making excuses for joe and letting him get away with stuff so easily
Oh, and the marienne episode is fantastic.
I do think going into season 5 (hopefully the finale season. Dear god make it stop) Joe is just going to be a full on serial killer or something. At the very least I don't think he's going to frame it or convince himself it's for love or protection yada yada. In final interview scene when he sees Rhys as his own reflection I think this is him accepting he is a complete monster who does in fact take joy in killing. Instead of the separation of Joe who just "accidentally stumbles" into murder and Rhys the sadistic serial killer, he is just one person now.
Glad to watch you cover this bc i was uninterested in watching after part 1 lol
I don't watch 90% of what Amanda reviews, but she's so good at getting you invested in the story
The baiting with Beck and Love being cast and especially Victoria being in the trailer was evil and had zero payoff. I love her acting and wasn’t that excited to watch part 2 aside from seeing her but they literally just used the collective love of Love to make us watch.
I would like to thank Amanda for being our tour guide through the trash fire that has been this show.
as someone whos part of a dissociative identity disorder system, the portrayal of the whole "switching evil personalities" is just kinda insulting. I mean yeah, joe himself is evil, but DID is formed as a kid as a survival mechanism. systems aren't evil and won't hurt anyone but themselves, unless its a situation where their life is in danger. so the whole dr jekyll thing just kinda feels like a slap in the face like "oh look at this already highly stigmatised, very real disorder! we're going to make it seem scary or fun or something other people might want to have" when in reality, its sometimes hell on earth. flashbacks, hallucinations, missing chunks of time, trust issues, feeling isolated, and that's unfortunately the tip of the iceberg. even now, with most of our stuff figured out, i still find random injuries i didn't make, or i'll find myself in a dangerous situation out of nowhere, or i'll have very vivid and very real feeling flashbacks to childhood. honestly, media really should stop trying to glamourise or stigmatise DID, because it threatens real systems, and can make them believe they're fakeclaiming, even when they very obviously arent.
anyway, annoyed rant at media over, love your content, you're absolutely killing the game (no pun intended), keep up the amazing work! - sparky
Fellow did system here and I couldn't have said it better myself
I have seen NONE of You, but watched all your videos on it. After watching your part 1 video on this season, I decided to watch the final episodes because I like whodunnits (unlike SOME protagonists).
I think my biggest disappointment was Love confronting Joe and saying, "You won't do what needs to be done." And then his subconscious saying "You're not suicidal!" I WANTED the twist to be doing what needed to be done and not taking his life but turning himself in. Straight up going to the police and giving his real name and full list of victims. Ending the cycle by TELLING THE TRUTH. Nadia could even write a bestseller about her professor who ended up being a serial killer.
I'm HOPING that Joe just saying, "Nadia's not talking, smart." is him writing her off and she's actually in league with the government officials to take him down somehow. Because with a political canidate being killed, you would think there would be a top tier investigation.
I feel like the dumbed a lot down in this season because they didn't want to glorify the whole easy murder idea, so when Joe disposes of Malcolm it's done in a way that's over the top ridiculous so you're immediately suspending your disbelief whereas a lot of the violence in s1 and others felt real, like too close to home real and I feel like the writers picked up on the fact they've basically made an omnipotent mini hanibal lecter the way he's able to just magically always have the tools to make a new cage, it's like the writers are intentionally making it more ridiculous so people won't think they're glorifying the violence, idk just my take on it
It’s funny you say that, because by the end I felt like Joe had become Michael Meyers smh This thing that appears out of nowehere and does something horrible, then disappears. The antics are getting so out of hand!
aHH I WAS WAITING FOR YOUR UPLOAD ON THIS SO BAD
Yes!!!! Season 4 was horrifying
same lol
@@theeleanorshellstrop like who tf wrote that script? When joe said compared someone to trolls on twitter I was done. We all know joe is far too cultured to be on twitter. Some of his insight this season did sound like a 22 year old woman ngl 🤣😂
I've been waiting for this since the second i finished Part 2