Is Man Utd’s Martinez Actually Too Short for the Premier League?

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  • čas přidán 31. 08. 2022
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    Do all centre-backs have to be tall? That’s the question facing Manchester United and their new 5ft9in centre-back, Lisandro Martinez.
    Traditionally centre backs are the biggest outfield players in the team, but do they need to be?
    With the help of some professionals in the game, Sarah Shephard explains that a good centre-back doesn’t worry about their size. Illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua.
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  • @wolfsbane3854
    @wolfsbane3854 Před rokem +3577

    What he lacks in height, he makes up for it in DAWG

  • @james263
    @james263 Před rokem +1444

    It's not an unconscious bias against short defenders if everyone is conscious of it - that is just a bias.

    • @dariuspalmer2829
      @dariuspalmer2829 Před rokem +14

      Political terms in football 😆😆

    • @dan-united9506
      @dan-united9506 Před rokem +110

      @@dariuspalmer2829 You don't actually think 'bias' is a specifically political term do you...?

    • @artofsamlo4216
      @artofsamlo4216 Před rokem +27

      @@dariuspalmer2829 still not a political term, it's just a term describing something that can be found in a number of places. Scientific research, audience perception of media, culinary trends, etc.

    • @T.E.S.S.
      @T.E.S.S. Před rokem +4

      @@dariuspalmer2829 lmao no it isn't 🤦‍♀

    • @T.E.S.S.
      @T.E.S.S. Před rokem +1

      @@dariuspalmer2829 amazing

  • @ankitlad25
    @ankitlad25 Před rokem +1158

    So nice to see this come out after Martinez delivered credible performances in the last 3 games on a bounce back after 2 losses. I would rather deal with his shortcomings (if any) over an out and out average defender like the ones we've had. 1 goal conceded in 3 games in the PL is no joke, especially for United who've conceded unnecessarily due to defensive errors. Back your new signing, he has more heart, talent and character in the field than anyone else.

    • @litti1047
      @litti1047 Před rokem +60

      No more maguire halleluja!

    • @mydeadtrim
      @mydeadtrim Před rokem +3

      @@litti1047 facts!

    • @idecided852
      @idecided852 Před rokem +6

      Shortcomings! Nice.

    • @phflorian1846
      @phflorian1846 Před rokem +33

      I’d put “in” in front of credible. That 1 goal that they condeded was more due to Salah’s genius rather than a defensive error, so they could’ve had 3 clean sheets. That’s unheard of, given United’s defensive records these past years

    • @bph9056
      @bph9056 Před rokem +7

      Exactly that. Martinez looks really comfortable on the ball as well right from the off and looks like he actually wants the ball at his feet which is something we’ve lacked at all on the field for years let alone in defence. I like malacia next to him. As questionable as I think the midfield and attack is the defence looks a lot more solid atm and ready for the challenge

  • @gerald-alexanderbassey3210
    @gerald-alexanderbassey3210 Před rokem +743

    Harry Maguire is the golden standard of how not playing to someone's strengths make them look useless. United should just cut loses and sell him.

    • @DePoRtEd20
      @DePoRtEd20 Před rokem +67

      Sell him to who? Guy is a meme lol, Nobody in their right mind is going to pay a cent for him...

    • @ygosoccer
      @ygosoccer Před rokem +143

      @@DePoRtEd20 a lot of teams would take him, top teams that play a high line would never but any bottom half team parking the bus would love for him to just sit back there and clear anything that comes close to him.

    • @Diabolos1007
      @Diabolos1007 Před rokem +55

      @@ygosoccer Atletico Madrid

    • @earthpeace3323
      @earthpeace3323 Před rokem +26

      I was half hoping Leicester would use some of the Fofana fee to buy back Maguire. Another big obstacle is that he is on 200 grand per week wages and no way Leicester pays him that kind of money.

    • @seb2750
      @seb2750 Před rokem +18

      Trade Lord Maguire for Pulisic. Chelsea lost a big boy Rudiger, they could use him.

  • @Jakeindbox
    @Jakeindbox Před rokem +240

    This video is clearly outdated. 3 very impressive performances with 2 clean sheets and Licha was MOTM for 2 of them.

    • @drdannydude123
      @drdannydude123 Před rokem +16

      to be fair it’s hard to time their videos with how fast the season goes

    • @EugenesBackpack
      @EugenesBackpack Před rokem +13

      he really only struggled in the air against toney, which who doesnt. not outdated, more so wrong. probably written by the bald guy

    • @Luis-ww8mp
      @Luis-ww8mp Před rokem +10

      @@EugenesBackpack they’re trying to find an excuse to get Maguire back in the team loool

    • @EugenesBackpack
      @EugenesBackpack Před rokem +4

      @@Luis-ww8mp yup, they're trying to fit their narrative. Kinda like how many people actually believed haaland was gonna flop so they compared him with lukaku for only having like 5 touches in a half or something

    • @dafunkyshit
      @dafunkyshit Před rokem +6

      @@EugenesBackpack funnily enough toney isn't even that tall. he is 5 ft 10! it is his brute strength that caused problems for martinez in that game.

  • @aakarmamtora3470
    @aakarmamtora3470 Před rokem +401

    When was this video made? Martinez's "bad start" has already disappeared with 2 very good performances. And he wasn't even that bad against brentford and brighton. Someone needs to lookup how many times brentford failed to take advantage of martinez.
    And that bad start is also due to the whole team not performing well in those 2 opening matches. It's not like everyone but martinez played well.

    • @dewaadisandjaja5222
      @dewaadisandjaja5222 Před rokem +37

      Agreed, first 2 games he actually pretty decent. The things that makes him looks bad because he should covering Maguire for every failed attempt he makes. Maguire always easily to dragging off by opponents and out from his position. Shaw was nowhere when the team got countered. Leaving Martinez alone.
      People picking up on his height, even in fact he won most of an aereal duel.

    • @Ze_Moose
      @Ze_Moose Před rokem +2

      Let's see what he does against Arsenal when Saliba and Gabriel are waiting for a corner lol

    • @rashadmahbub6255
      @rashadmahbub6255 Před rokem +11

      He was their player of the month....

    • @tomassipone98
      @tomassipone98 Před rokem +8

      First game he had to do more work since MAGUIRE was useless as always.

    • @wilseph1
      @wilseph1 Před rokem +17

      "Bad start" playing alongside Maguire. Happens to every center back.

  • @BazedLi
    @BazedLi Před rokem +545

    Seeing as he has won more aerial duels than Varane in the last 3 games, I would think no

    • @samaukland1418
      @samaukland1418 Před rokem +27

      Well, I imagine he's won more because he's had more oppurtinity to win more, as every team thinks they are going to be the ones to exploit his height, and just spam lofted balls to him in an attempt to do so. I think it's working in our favour as it's clearly not a weakness for him, and it's easy to defend an approach so one dimensional. I wonder how teams approach will evolve now that they know it's not going to work.

    • @alfiehaigh8412
      @alfiehaigh8412 Před rokem +74

      @@samaukland1418 his percentage is higher as well not just volume

    • @75patrickfoley
      @75patrickfoley Před rokem +2

      @@samaukland1418 Tell that to Ben Mee! 🤣

    • @JoshAFC
      @JoshAFC Před rokem +5

      That's because you've fundamentally misunderstood the aerial duels stat. Aerial duels are defined as both players off the ground competing for an off the ground ball. That's how lisandro was able to come out of the Brentford game without losing an aerial duel despite being beaten in the air easily for the goal on the line. Because he's on the ground and the Brentford player isn't it doesn't count as a lost ground duel either, in fact it's not even recorded negatively against lisandro in any way in mainstream stats.
      Often lisandro doesn't get off the ground for contested duels, only free ones... Hence a high aerial duel percentage. He's not good in the air.

    • @BazedLi
      @BazedLi Před rokem +1

      @@JoshAFC Have you even watched either the video explaining how short defenders are able to make up for differences in height or Uniteds last 3 games where Martinez clearly showed these principles in action winning multiple headers? Because you sound like you don't. I'm not going by straight statistics either. As you have explained with so many words: It's hard to accurately categorize every game action, so you have to go by the eye test... which, if you did in fact watch Uniteds last games, you would realize he passes.

  • @chrismichener4657
    @chrismichener4657 Před rokem +362

    He’s struggled when paired with Maguire. But so does Verane, and Lindolof. Paired with Varane the back 4 gave up 1 goal in 3 games. And a lucky goal at that to Salah.

    • @khoyrulislam
      @khoyrulislam Před rokem

      Lucky goal?

    • @revenant8061
      @revenant8061 Před rokem +5

      @@khoyrulislam yeah

    • @Akshay-ee2nj
      @Akshay-ee2nj Před rokem +4

      @@khoyrulislam watch the goal

    • @valter_vava74
      @valter_vava74 Před rokem

      everyone seems to struggle playing alongside Maguire... but in Maguire's defense, Lindelof was a sieve at Benfica... an excellent sale for Benfica...

  • @branofigo
    @branofigo Před rokem +269

    "Given his difficult start in the Premier League" - won United player of the month, has one of the best aerial duel percentages in the league and conceded just 1 goal in three games... Yeah I think it's safe to say he's recovered.

    • @GuinessOriginal
      @GuinessOriginal Před rokem +6

      Against a struggling Liverpool side and two relegation fodder teams? Ok

    • @zdhanz
      @zdhanz Před rokem +34

      @@GuinessOriginal are you watching him play or not?

    • @reddevil6248
      @reddevil6248 Před rokem +51

      @@GuinessOriginal Struggling Liverpool going on a 9-0 rampage
      Relegation fodder Southampton defeating Chelsea the very next match
      Just because we r not losing that's why the opponent is weak 😅

    • @adampaul6675
      @adampaul6675 Před rokem +8

      @@GuinessOriginal it was an almost full strength liverpool xi in midfield they were just missing fabinho and thiago one of whom came on 2nd half and front 3 of Diaz salah and firminio with a full strength back 4. 🤣 Leicester ain't relegation fodder and neither r Southampton. So idk what u r on about

    • @DECmatter
      @DECmatter Před rokem

      Can only assume this video was created after the Brentford game

  • @sarahjessicafarter7383
    @sarahjessicafarter7383 Před rokem +283

    In Latin football culture, the prized attribute in centre backs is their tackling ability. That's why you get so many centre backs the stature of Ayala, Cordoba, Heinze, Puyol, etc. More agile and better tacklers. In British football culture, tackling has never been viewed as the priority attribute for a centre back. Instead, there's a preference for tall centre backs with an upright stance who rely primarily on positioning to defend. You see this type of centre back sometimes in Latin football, such as Pique. Then you get tackling centre backs sometimes in British football, such as Carragher. Yet there's a clear difference in what the two football cultures want from their centre backs.

    • @EugenesBackpack
      @EugenesBackpack Před rokem +4

      tf are puyol and pique latin?

    • @sarahjessicafarter7383
      @sarahjessicafarter7383 Před rokem +38

      @@EugenesBackpack Latin not latinoamericano, yes. I'd argue the football culture in Latin Europe and Latin America is broadly contiguous. Regarding the shared appreciation of small centre backs, note how Cordoba, Ayala, Heinze, all achieved recognition in Latin European leagues. As a random current example, Chilean Gary Medel has been getting on well as a short centre back in the Italian league for a while now.

    • @frankgallegos1304
      @frankgallegos1304 Před rokem +20

      You’re forgetting about Mexican Rafa Marquez was 6ft but played with his body on the line in that Barcelona team.

    • @sarahjessicafarter7383
      @sarahjessicafarter7383 Před rokem +9

      @@frankgallegos1304 Yes, and the Mexican legend centre back Claudio Suarez is only 1.78m.

    • @Auriflamme
      @Auriflamme Před rokem +20

      One thing which must be mentioned is average height. South Americans tend to be about 2" shorter than northern Europeans who are the model for the typical Premier League centre back. Furthermore, in Latin America football is often a route out of poverty for young men who in many cases have suffered malnutrition in childhood and are consequently sometimes shorter than they might have otherwise been.

  • @TylerAven10
    @TylerAven10 Před rokem +123

    It’s funny how they clearly started working on this video before his uptick in form.

    • @thesidck
      @thesidck Před rokem +16

      Yeah outdated video

    • @nil_90
      @nil_90 Před rokem +3

      Waiting so long for Martinez to have a bad game, so that the video narration works; they finally gave up.

    • @PrinceOlaf
      @PrinceOlaf Před rokem +1

      Well yes, the amount of people they referenced in the video, and graphics used mean weeks of prep

    • @Johndoe-gf7eu
      @Johndoe-gf7eu Před rokem

      @hfc because its true 😂😂😂the agenda against man united is real. We ruined peoples lives for 26 whole years, i sort of understand it,
      Bless them 😂😂😂

    • @Johndoe-gf7eu
      @Johndoe-gf7eu Před rokem

      @hfc point is irrelevant. They should have scrapped this video and made a new one. Why has this even been released? To further the agenda against martinez in anticipation of him having a bad game against arsenal.

  • @bustertambourine
    @bustertambourine Před rokem +163

    People often seem to forget about how short but how amazing Roberto Ayala was when he was in his prime at Valencia CF.

    • @GuinessOriginal
      @GuinessOriginal Před rokem +30

      Or mascherano at Barca. All Argentinian, there’s a theme here

    • @aldobonaso3481
      @aldobonaso3481 Před rokem +6

      @@GuinessOriginal yeah because Baresi and Cannavaro were Argentinian...no wait

    • @GuinessOriginal
      @GuinessOriginal Před rokem +1

      @@aldobonaso3481 wrong they were both Italian but played in different eras

    • @victorhsluiz
      @victorhsluiz Před rokem +13

      Paolo Montero and Ivan Cordoba are also great examples from the same era.

    • @eddysandland58
      @eddysandland58 Před rokem +6

      @@victorhsluiz Montero was a walking Red Card! But Class at the same time! I use to watch him for Juve in the CL and He's always on the Edge! But Yeah Montero Cannavaro Bariesi Ayala etc! Where Master's of the Defending Art!

  • @matthauke
    @matthauke Před rokem +115

    "Difficult start"? He's shown he's qualities and aggression even in the losses and he's been the MOTM for consecutive games!

    • @kofishaw4
      @kofishaw4 Před rokem +6

      The scrip was probably written a few weeks back

    • @SeanSeeksDog
      @SeanSeeksDog Před rokem +3

      Ya I heard difficult start and thought nahhh

    • @matthauke
      @matthauke Před rokem +1

      @@kofishaw4 yeah probably but still, it’s a poorly timed release because he’s really put those height concerns to bed basically in the same way the video describes.

    • @Johndoe-gf7eu
      @Johndoe-gf7eu Před rokem +4

      Exactly why has this been released after 3 MOTM performances in a row??? They are mocking it

    • @rangertx4161
      @rangertx4161 Před rokem +1

      @@kofishaw4 Even still, Martinez was NOT the issue with the defense and the past 3 games have proved that. So he was not the one with the difficult start to the season.

  • @craigwck7626
    @craigwck7626 Před rokem +389

    Martinez didn't have a poor start. Harry Maguire is the cause of the problems in United's first two games.

    • @feederchua
      @feederchua Před rokem +23

      Except that both Brighton and Toney admitted in the media that they'd specifically targeted Martinez knowing thst they'd be able to win the first ball. Not saying Maguire was up to par, but Scapegoating him is just stupid
      united subsequent opponents like Liverpool etc don't have similarly bigger strikers that they can play more vertical balls to.

    • @kolawoleomotosho3073
      @kolawoleomotosho3073 Před rokem +65

      @@feederchua
      Toney didn't have any success against Martinez. He is just bragging, watch the game again.

    • @ygosoccer
      @ygosoccer Před rokem +47

      @@feederchua and if you watched the game you would know that everytime they did target him it didn’t work. ETH admitted he knew they would try that and set up accordingly by having Shaw close to pick up the second ball when Martinez won. The goals did not come from targeting Martinez, it was De Gea and Maguire unable to pass out of a press

    • @feederchua
      @feederchua Před rokem +3

      @@kolawoleomotosho3073 he wasn't bragging. They asked a question he answered. That is a real and viable tactic against United now.
      I watched the game and Martinez got bullied by both Toney and Welbeck. Which is perfectly understandable considering it was his first game.
      Still a great player but this rush to scapegoat and meme Maguire is weird af.

    • @Josh-wn7fl
      @Josh-wn7fl Před rokem +26

      @@feederchua Games with Maguire: 2Ls
      Games without Maguire: 3Ws (Against better teams as well)
      Quite the coincedence

  • @RandomVideosFirst
    @RandomVideosFirst Před rokem +158

    Maguire is probably in the top 10 of best defenders for aerial duels/wins, but on the ground he cant defend is slow, cant mark for love nor money and has next to no spatial awareness not to mention his turning circle is very similar to an ocean liner!

    • @AdityaWasisPratama
      @AdityaWasisPratama Před rokem +11

      HAHAHA ocean liner!

    • @liamnewman311
      @liamnewman311 Před rokem +3

      I have to agree with all of that, spot on.

    • @squidguard4743
      @squidguard4743 Před rokem +1

      Shall I put post the clip where he fails three times to head the ball out of his own box against spurs lol

    • @RandomVideosFirst
      @RandomVideosFirst Před rokem

      @@squidguard4743 look at his heading duel percentages I didn’t say he was the best I said he’s in the top 10 so not perfect heading win % high but still nevertheless in the top ten!

    • @Chilavertish
      @Chilavertish Před rokem +3

      Maguire would have been good in a different era where there was more aerial balls and less need for technical ability

  • @musakanyamukuka7675
    @musakanyamukuka7675 Před rokem +52

    Obsession with his height is getting weird now. 🥶

    • @kyllian4265
      @kyllian4265 Před rokem +1

      Facts 💯

    • @MR12AMAZING
      @MR12AMAZING Před rokem +9

      It's just a reflection of society's obsession with men's heights in general. You're always seen as less of a man if you're below 6ft, the memes go beyond football.

    • @Ashtonishing1812
      @Ashtonishing1812 Před rokem

      not even that short!

    • @user-ut6sj9vg5x
      @user-ut6sj9vg5x Před rokem

      5’9 isn’t even short lol that’s taller than the average height in some countries

  • @dannydkoith
    @dannydkoith Před rokem +168

    Martinez was our player of the month. Maguire was the real problem

    • @fabiancalderon6729
      @fabiancalderon6729 Před rokem +5

      I don't know how anyone could look past De Gea mistakes. 2/4 goals were his fault

    • @dannydkoith
      @dannydkoith Před rokem +11

      @@fabiancalderon6729 look how he is playing since maguire is dropped. Almost no shots at him. Ask ederson how he gets this many cleansheets. With Maguire united has almost 5 shots on target per game. Less shots on target less problem for the goalie. I agree De Gea is not the answer either. But he is miles better than that Hendersondude

    • @MickeyOBKey103
      @MickeyOBKey103 Před rokem +1

      @@fabiancalderon6729 4/6 goals against Brighton and Brentford were DDG’s fault

    • @MickeyOBKey103
      @MickeyOBKey103 Před rokem

      @@dannydkoith Henderson has prevented the most goals in the league this season. De Gea’s inefficiencies are making United play like 2011 Stoke. The goalkeeper United just signed to replace De Gea was going to be replaced at Newcastle by Henderson before they decided on Pope

    • @dannydkoith
      @dannydkoith Před rokem +2

      @@MickeyOBKey103 he is a backup option. I think henderson will be number 1 next season. Lets see what he does. Doesnt change the fact he is arrogant and disrespectful.

  • @comfortchanda7614
    @comfortchanda7614 Před rokem +110

    The content was created probably after the first 2 games. So we can bare that at that time there were no updates since... cause he has definitely shown out post those games. But he makes a good point of Maguire not being played to his strength not because he isn't good but simply because it hasn't fit the playing style. He would be a solid for the Dyche's Era at Burnley but for us it was easy to exploit his weakness because nothing was (or barely) in sync. Eventually it messed with his confidence. The best thing to do is not wack the guy with words. But begin to evaluate the future whether to get him to adjust to those tactics or use him in games that they think he can stand firmly throughout. The guy is good we see him for England it's unfortunate that his time at United has really deteriorated in terms of performance. I only wish him the best.
    More power to Licha, the back 4 for has been showing some promise. Loved the last 2 clean sheets as well.

    • @MickeyOBKey103
      @MickeyOBKey103 Před rokem +8

      Funny how “Maguire doesn’t fit the play style” but since he was dropped United have stopped playing out from the back and have a lower defensive line to compensate for De Gea. Maguire successfully played in a high line when Henderson (a sweeper keeper) was in goal in 20/21, and with Pickford for England. If Maguire was a low block defender he’d be playing now, not when United were trying to play out from the back

    • @Johndoe-gf7eu
      @Johndoe-gf7eu Před rokem +1

      Well whats the point in releasing it then it just creates a further agenda. They should have scrapped the video after his 3 MOTM performances in a row and changed it. Scruffs

    • @HeloisGevit
      @HeloisGevit Před rokem +4

      @@MickeyOBKey103 True. Maguire gets blamed for De Gea's failings

    • @jaredona6299
      @jaredona6299 Před rokem +2

      @@MickeyOBKey103 people prefer to blame the meme Maguire over 'player of the year' De Gea without objectively looking at the fact that we've been kicking it long which is a waste of Martinez/Malacia/Dalot's progressive capabilities
      The bottom line is that De Gea can't play with Maguire, because they hinder each other, whether it's covering the space in behind by sweeping, or being able to track back with pace

    • @MickeyOBKey103
      @MickeyOBKey103 Před rokem +2

      @@jaredona6299 spot on mate. And as much as people don’t want to admit it, Maguire’s flaws are much easier to compensate for (and less detrimental to the team) than De Gea’s

  • @davidvalencia129
    @davidvalencia129 Před rokem +31

    I mean Carles Puyol was 1,78. 3cm taller than Lisandro and that did not kept him from being one of the best CB in football history. Remember football was more focused on physical players back then.

    • @khoyrulislam
      @khoyrulislam Před rokem

      Bad example as he was playing in one of the greatest teams in footballing history

    • @thewolverine7516
      @thewolverine7516 Před rokem +3

      @@khoyrulislam and? He was already regarded as one of the best before pep came. Also he played in a relatively unknown era of fc Barcelona from 1997 to 2004. And even in that period , he made his name as one of the best CB's.

    • @khoyrulislam
      @khoyrulislam Před rokem

      @@thewolverine7516 He, along with Baresi and Canavarro, are considered the exceptions to the rule - that's why there are so few of them. I'm not saying he can't be a good player for Utd (he's defo better than Maguire) but it's not a good argument to use Puyol as an example.

    • @3X0SK3L3TON
      @3X0SK3L3TON Před rokem +1

      His hair added 12 inches to his presence

  • @AzizDoufikar2280
    @AzizDoufikar2280 Před rokem +4

    He played for Ajax in the Dutch league.Dutch people are the tallest and so are the players.And now he came to England only to have people and pundits complaining about his height?? Come on now.He is playing good at Man Utd.Made more tackles than Maguire did.Won more aerial duels.What more do you want to complain?? Now to all haters out there,tell me now.Was I wrong on this one?Or is it just the fact that you refuse to admit it?

  • @greatnesstv265
    @greatnesstv265 Před rokem +6

    The fact that the English media prioritized his height before his technical abilities is the reason why England will never will another world cup

    • @anjumojah1089
      @anjumojah1089 Před rokem

      Spot on

    • @l...m9415
      @l...m9415 Před rokem

      Ridiculous comment. Remind me which 5'9 cb has won a world Cup or champions league. Only one cannavaro and he happened to be a defensive genius (martinez absolutely isnt). There's a reason no other prem manager would sign a cb so small

    • @greatnesstv265
      @greatnesstv265 Před rokem

      @@l...m9415 🤦🤦🤦how tall was puyol.........Puyol was captain of the greatest club team ever....and was in the 2010 world cup team which won the world cup.......
      😂😂Do your research before you come at me

    • @l...m9415
      @l...m9415 Před rokem

      @@greatnesstv265 forgot about puyol but he was average technically anyway so doesn't really support your point

  • @nguyenhoa3084
    @nguyenhoa3084 Před rokem +36

    He uses his brain and aggressiveness to cover his weaknesses.

  • @rinzler_1482
    @rinzler_1482 Před rokem +4

    This video was created too quickly, martinez has had some excellent performances.

  • @dzakiassuhud1825
    @dzakiassuhud1825 Před rokem +20

    0:31 "Given his difficult start in the premier league"
    What are you talking about? He literally named player of the month in his first month... If anything, his start was brilliant here.

    • @Anon13378
      @Anon13378 Před rokem

      Tbf they probably made the video a while back and are only able to upload it now after editing.

    • @TheDeadlyTikka
      @TheDeadlyTikka Před rokem

      Let’s not pretend like United didn’t concede 4 against Brentford

    • @pragunahuja6879
      @pragunahuja6879 Před rokem +2

      @@TheDeadlyTikka maguire says hi

    • @TheDeadlyTikka
      @TheDeadlyTikka Před rokem +3

      @@pragunahuja6879 ahaha yeah it was less Martinez fault and more Maguire and more specifically Luke Shaws fault!
      People need to rewatch that game and keep an eye on Shaw. He is so badly out of position at almost all times

    • @samwize28
      @samwize28 Před rokem

      @@TheDeadlyTikka football is a team game. Martinez wasn't flawless that game but he certainly didn't play badly

  • @iblaze1085
    @iblaze1085 Před rokem +43

    Martinez is a classic examples how you use your strengths to make up for your weaknesses

  • @reviewer_random
    @reviewer_random Před rokem +3

    me here after martinez pinning down harry kane, yo he was lit af

  • @Mumbler100
    @Mumbler100 Před rokem +2

    Watching this in September;
    Martinez has improved quickly in a short space of time

  • @bachvutuyetvoi3789
    @bachvutuyetvoi3789 Před rokem

    Your animation with the text is insane. Love watching!

  • @isaymaybe4601
    @isaymaybe4601 Před rokem +3

    This guy could simply say ' look at Harry Maguire' and end this video. im sure anybody would say yeah i got it.

  • @TheRadYT
    @TheRadYT Před rokem +10

    I think you want more of Joachim Anderson type. Big enough to win the ball in the air & be a bully. But also having the ability to start play. But you could look at 2 CB's like a big & small striker partnership. Anderson & Guéhi are a good example or if you've got a back 3. The big man in the middle with 2 shorter ball playing CB's either side. Like Ajer for Brentford or Dier for Spurs.

    • @gbrl433
      @gbrl433 Před rokem

      that’s exactly why maguire would fit in a 3 at the back

  • @voroldrwarfff8858
    @voroldrwarfff8858 Před rokem +17

    The dude has been awarded player of the month. Not really what Id call a "difficult start"

    • @emilfrederiksen.1622
      @emilfrederiksen.1622 Před rokem

      Exactly what is this guy watching Martinez have been the best play for Man United so far this season and you could say he has been the best Cb so far this season overall in the prem with Saliba.

  • @mannytuzo
    @mannytuzo Před rokem +57

    The problem was never Martinez or his height, it was MAGUIRE!!

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 Před rokem +1

      No he was bad in those games

    • @liamthelad
      @liamthelad Před rokem +1

      @@bri1085 maguire should have obviously gone over to martinez' side and headed the ball away from Toney on his behalf. Total fraud that man

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 Před rokem +2

      @@liamthelad then he gets criticised for vacating his side of the pitch

    • @bickdig
      @bickdig Před rokem

      @@bri1085 He didn’t lose any duels in Brentford game aerially or in the ground and he only lost 2 of his 5 ground duels vs Brighton he wasn’t bad he was ok and made to look worse by Maguire.

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 Před rokem

      @@bickdig Ben Mee beat him in the air to score the 3rd Brentford goal

  • @bonnyxaviers
    @bonnyxaviers Před rokem +8

    For this generation for better understandings
    Alaba at Bayern and currently at real Madrid
    Mascherano at Barca
    Even the great Puyol was 5,10 ft
    It's all about how you play, how you use your footballing brain to the best use

  • @Ytjg1111
    @Ytjg1111 Před rokem +3

    Ricardo Carvalho was 1.80m, that's 5f11, and he had a very good premier league career and made a fantastic partnership with the taller Terry. It's all about what the player brings to the team and whether the team can clear long balls in the air or not. Carvalho was very quick, almost impossible to beat in 1vs1 situations and very combative in every situation (including in the air where he challenged with the height he had).

  • @Truffle_Pup
    @Truffle_Pup Před rokem +15

    After the Liverpool and Southampton games I came to the realisation that Martinez defends the way Tevez used to attack - with pure venomous tenacity. That lad has a few red cards waiting for him I have no doubt, I'd definitely put a bet on at least one of them being against City in a few weeks.
    Still, he's a real menace, and I think as long as Varane stays fit he'll keep Maguire out of the team. That is... Until he puts Haaland in hospital and gets arrested for crimes against humanity.

    • @jemrylie
      @jemrylie Před rokem +3

      He has only ever received 1 red card though, back in Argentinian Primera División 2017/18

    • @Truffle_Pup
      @Truffle_Pup Před rokem

      @@jemrylie What I said was what is known as "over embellishment for comedic effect", but I appreciate the stats son

  • @thesidck
    @thesidck Před rokem +5

    Video is outdated.. Last 3 games he has been bossing it.

  • @ArcadiaAdamBae
    @ArcadiaAdamBae Před rokem +4

    Maybe wait until he got 5 games on his belt instead of jumping for an algorithm that is already passed 2 days ago.

  • @ZexaXIII
    @ZexaXIII Před rokem +4

    Lisandro Martinez didn't start poor. He had to compensate for Maguire's Mistakes.

  • @dariogutierrez6716
    @dariogutierrez6716 Před rokem +1

    Playing as a short and light defender has been hard but fun. My hero growing up was Gary Medel. I've seen the dude beat C. Ronaldo to headers and anticipate and perfectly time tackles against every kind of attackers. You just have to find your own way to fight

  • @nathanwilson2116
    @nathanwilson2116 Před rokem +2

    What difficult start??? He’s absolutely smashing it with united, he’s a warrior

  • @vidalgutierrez9542
    @vidalgutierrez9542 Před rokem +17

    Difficult start? Only the English think he’s too short. You needed tall and big cb’s Bc your league had no skill and all you did was hit each other

    • @gopikrishnang4871
      @gopikrishnang4871 Před rokem +3

      This is so far, the best comment about the old English playing style and league.

    • @75patrickfoley
      @75patrickfoley Před rokem

      You sound like someone who flops really often and calls that skill.

    • @Irfan87
      @Irfan87 Před rokem +2

      This is facts though. Dalglish and the the great SAF were the only Brits to win the EPL. Ever since that, its been teams managed by other European managers with teams that are AT BEST, 50% English. The only modern day Brit coaches who seems to have proper continental style tactics is maybe Graham Potter. Aside from Carrick, Scholes, Hoddle etc, the English don't really have true midfield maestros like the Spanish, Italians, Dutch etc. They still emphasize work rate, quickness and being a "hard lad".

  • @sanjithkeshavmurthy4171
    @sanjithkeshavmurthy4171 Před rokem +8

    What do u mean by difficult start? the guy has been brilliant defends like his life depends 🔥🔥🔥

  • @dragdritt
    @dragdritt Před rokem

    This must be a video actually made weeks ago or something "and more so now given his difficult start in the Premier League" as for the last 3 games this man has been playing extremely well. Fully deserved being chosen as Player of the month by Man Utd. fans.

  • @joshuakenyon256
    @joshuakenyon256 Před rokem

    An important part of this I think is partnership, a 5ft9 centre back can work very well as long as you have that player that can win those aerials. A technically gifted player who can rob the ball from the feet of forwards and close players down quickly and a stopper who can stop players in their tracks and win those headers has historically made a very good setup for clubs

  • @madapratama5596
    @madapratama5596 Před rokem +10

    so Ben Mee actually became "big" enough simply because he grew up playing with Burnley

    • @adhynugroho9424
      @adhynugroho9424 Před rokem +3

      Lol. Tbh, I've always thought all Burnley players are 7 feet tall.

    • @maxholliday6851
      @maxholliday6851 Před rokem +4

      @@adhynugroho9424 they're all the same player

  • @soniacherian6130
    @soniacherian6130 Před rokem +3

    height may be a point but defending is more important . look it will take some time to get set in a bigger league

  • @misterkunnyfunt
    @misterkunnyfunt Před rokem +1

    loving the last minute swipe at Maguire. made me smile.

  • @pash.d1
    @pash.d1 Před rokem +1

    Although hes short which is essentially a major disadvantage for a premier league centreback, its easily made up by his incredible game awareness, desicion making and defensive prowess. Martinez is an agressive ball playing CB and plays to his strengths which makes him effeient. For example albeit short- Martinez currently holds the highest aerial duel win percentage in the premeir league so far and its because of his great reading of the game and ball flight judgement..

  • @beukenphom3680
    @beukenphom3680 Před rokem +5

    He may be short but Martinez leap is no joke !!!

  • @surajitthakur1507
    @surajitthakur1507 Před rokem +9

    Philip Lahm ( 5'7 ) one of the greatest rb of all time .

    • @didactic7034
      @didactic7034 Před rokem +5

      Exactly, a right back.

    • @welowee7610
      @welowee7610 Před rokem

      Rb not cb

    • @mydeadtrim
      @mydeadtrim Před rokem +6

      its this english media ploy, martinez is much better than maguire so the medias only option is going for his height.

    • @surajitthakur1507
      @surajitthakur1507 Před rokem +6

      What about Carles Puyol ( 5'10 ) one of the best of his generation

    • @mydeadtrim
      @mydeadtrim Před rokem

      @@welowee7610 cannavaro, only CB to win a ballandor who was martinez height, world cup winner as well

  • @thanos81881
    @thanos81881 Před rokem +1

    A great example of this was Michalis Kapsis(1,82m) vs Jan Koller (2,02m) in the EURO 2004 Semi Final Greece vs Czech Republic

  • @777JayWright777
    @777JayWright777 Před rokem +2

    Sorry, did you just say he has had a difficult start in the premier league? He's been our best player so far this season with back-to-back man of the match performances against Liverpool and Southampton
    Losing the first 2 games of the season were nothing to do with him at all lol

  • @z.ashikov1790
    @z.ashikov1790 Před rokem +3

    In few years most of the CB will be short, mobile and with good skills on the ball. This will bring back the physically strong tall strikers 🤔🤔

    • @danielh4295
      @danielh4295 Před rokem +1

      The meta shift has already happened with the trend setting managers. Haaland Nunez and Isak are prime examples. Isak not as physical but still 6 4.

    • @adithyaprasad8586
      @adithyaprasad8586 Před rokem

      @@danielh4295 Isak barely gets any headed goals unlike the other two.

  • @Somtohuncho
    @Somtohuncho Před rokem +4

    why is this even a question 😂🤦🏿‍♂️ if ur good enough or tall enough

  • @andorrasrevenge1683
    @andorrasrevenge1683 Před rokem +1

    Difficult start was referring to the two matches against Brighton and Brentford(with McGuire) I assume? Cause 1 goal in 3 matches later I’d say Lisandro has been lightning in defense.

  • @NickBradford-ck7ry
    @NickBradford-ck7ry Před rokem

    Looks great so far. Mala, Him, RV, and Diego are looking good lately

  • @eton13_
    @eton13_ Před rokem +10

    This must of been recorded after the first game of the season because Martinez has been pure class these last few games

  • @batuksri
    @batuksri Před rokem +3

    Nope, Martinez is not too short.
    Why once in a saloon he shot a really tall baddie just using his foot.
    Cool guy.
    Cool clear water.

  • @jamesswinbanks
    @jamesswinbanks Před rokem +1

    You’ve made a video about Martinez without actually talking about him. Well done.

  • @mohammeddmalik
    @mohammeddmalik Před rokem +1

    0:28 suggests this video was made a few games ago.. 3 wins on the trot, 2 clean sheets and 2 man of the match performances since being partnered with Varane.

  • @sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986

    This seems to be a legacy issue in England specifically where defending Is still seen as ‘a big man job’ to win headers and tackle hard. But football has moved on defenders need technical skill to pass the ball now (not just blast it 50 yards every time) reading the game and anticipating opponents movements is more effective, a good football brain has nothing to do with your height and it’s time English football realised that especially when the best team in England have guardiola as manager who has always prioritised technique and finesse over strength and power

    • @davidfofana1669
      @davidfofana1669 Před rokem

      Exactly my position. I believe its also an English thing. Harry Maguire is a perfect example of why size is irrelevant nowadays

    • @liamthelad
      @liamthelad Před rokem

      This point would make a lot more sense if city's cbs were as small, or if Guardiola hadn't gone out and signed a 6 foot 4 wrecking ball of a player in Haaland

  • @ThisIsSinzu
    @ThisIsSinzu Před rokem +3

    It’s hilarious that we looking to a relegated Ben mee & a Swansea city coach for advice and insight on being a limited defender.😂😂

  • @thhthtrht
    @thhthtrht Před rokem

    1:16 “Defending is more technical now … say me” what lol 😂

  • @Hugo-pc3fo
    @Hugo-pc3fo Před rokem +1

    Anyone that's watched united so far knows he's been the standout performer. By far the best cb we've had in years and he's made varane look so much better too

  • @Khigha87
    @Khigha87 Před rokem +7

    This is such a useless topic. What I loved about football growing up was the fact that anyone willing could play. You always leverage your strengths to overcome you weaknesses. Whether you big, small, tall, short, fast or slow you could find a specialty in the sport and contribute to the team. The fact that it is a team sport means you can leverage others' strengths too. There are successful footballers in every position in every size. How can you ask if someone is too short to do a job when there is evidence of them successfully doing it?
    Not every topic that's trending or comes across your table is worth entertaining, and I'm disappointed in Tifo for failing to make this distinction in this case.

    • @l...m9415
      @l...m9415 Před rokem

      Martinez's height directly caused 2 goals in the 1st 2 games yet still united fans claim his height isn't a problem at all. Its clearly a topic worth exploring.

    • @sususegar
      @sususegar Před rokem +3

      @@l...m9415 before Leicester, Martinez's height won all but one aerial duel, and that was against Liverpool. It's clearly not the issue. Varane is also the perfect partner as he's much more cultured on the ball, thus allowing faster ball circulation and distribution between them and the dropping midfielder. Maguire is utterly slow and Martinez was trying to clean up all of Maguire's and Shaw's mess, which many wrongly mistaken as his fault.
      The topic worth exploring is not his height, but the English media bias and dinosaur pundits.

  • @dezperado618c8
    @dezperado618c8 Před rokem +3

    I love your content but you lost me with "moreso now given his difficult start in the PRemier League." Martinez has solidified United's defense. He has the toughness United has been lacking and has had 2 straight clean sheets

  • @darochavitor
    @darochavitor Před rokem +2

    It really looks like Man United, one of the biggest clubs in the world, hired Maguire without scouting and getting to know the way his former team used to play and the way he plays

  • @bonimage
    @bonimage Před rokem +2

    The title of the video should be "Why Man Utd's Harry Maguire left on the bench for 3 straight match?"

  • @Jovid-cq9pb
    @Jovid-cq9pb Před rokem +3

    Let's be real, it is a handicap

  • @Sky-fp5mq
    @Sky-fp5mq Před rokem +4

    one name that every football fans should know and remember... Franco Baresi. one of the greatest defender ever, probably the greatest next to Beckenbauer. he is a perfect example that you dont have to be tall and big to become a good defender. keep that in mind folks.

  • @akshaypanwar4964
    @akshaypanwar4964 Před rokem +2

    Look height doesn't matter and I'm a Liverpool fan and I'm siding with Martinez .
    Martinez is a South American and we know this much they have a different bit of grit in them and bite in their game , if Martinez has that in his game , he won't have many problems. But the problem is he good enough to help UTD .
    The legendary Carvalho was not the tallest but he's one of the greatest cb to ever play this beautiful game .

    • @samwize28
      @samwize28 Před rokem

      Well said.
      His height CAN be an issue, if for example Peter Crouch was in the opposition team and targets him. But those scenarios will only come up a few times a season - and in which case players like Maguire/Casemiro/McTom can be utilised to negate that drawback.
      He's (so far) a fantastic signing.

    • @akshaypanwar4964
      @akshaypanwar4964 Před rokem

      @@samwize28 Not Maguire 🤣

    • @samwize28
      @samwize28 Před rokem

      @@akshaypanwar4964 yeh, maybe not maguire to be fair haha

  • @municejr
    @municejr Před rokem +2

    Remember Koscielny? He was not the tallest but was really good

  • @anillchandi
    @anillchandi Před rokem +13

    Difficult start??? Mate, he’s been outstanding in the last few games?!

  • @mydeadtrim
    @mydeadtrim Před rokem +6

    his poor start is due to maguire being absoloutely awful except at being tall

  • @rishabprakash2541
    @rishabprakash2541 Před rokem

    Harry Maguire used to dominate in Leister because they always had very strong defensive midfielders, so he was much more comfortable sitting back as the last man defense, on of his strengths. With united he was always expected to move the ball higher up the pitch and run back on defense or press high to stop counter attacks early which is his weakness. Martinez and Varane suits that style of play perfectly

  • @LiamLovegrove
    @LiamLovegrove Před rokem +1

    "Given his difficult start in the Premier League" When was this episode recorded?

  • @Mathewkevinbinu
    @Mathewkevinbinu Před rokem +3

    Maguire was the problem

  • @leface30
    @leface30 Před rokem +6

    Varane Martinez reminds me of pique Puyol partnership

  • @oliverhughes610
    @oliverhughes610 Před rokem

    This kind of attitude - the fixation on having good ball carriers, midfield profile type defenders etc - does play a significant role in those games that a lot of big clubs have where a team sits deep and plays on the counter, relying on set pieces or route one. You know the type - the 70 vs 30 possession, 24 shots to 2, losing 1-0.
    Point being, clubs should recruit and train both bigger and smaller defenders, in order to be prepared for each eventuality.

  • @felipenachmanowicz9393

    Why nobody mentions Ivan Cordoba? He was an amazing defender, like AMAZING.

  • @Jurmeytobgyevideos
    @Jurmeytobgyevideos Před rokem +3

    before even starting the video, I think many top quality players have proven that there is never an issue on being too anything as long as the drive and talent is there. Haaland for example was said to flop in the prem, and so far that is not the case. Modric for madrid proved everyone wrong as well as others such as robert pires for arsenal

    • @NostalgiNorden
      @NostalgiNorden Před rokem +2

      Who defuq said Haaland would flop? All i heard was praises all summer.

    • @Jurmeytobgyevideos
      @Jurmeytobgyevideos Před rokem

      @@NostalgiNorden there was doubt over whether he could perform in the prem. One such example I can recall off the top of my head is Rory Jennings, a Chelsea fan who on sky sports said haaland would flop

  • @prashantsharma1865
    @prashantsharma1865 Před rokem +14

    He is already better than van dijk

  • @Liquidcadmus
    @Liquidcadmus Před rokem +2

    anyone who focuses on height over talent in football, has no idea about what football is all about. the greatest players in history have all been short. there's even been amazing Goalkeepers that were short.

  • @nasrulfauzi
    @nasrulfauzi Před rokem

    Positioning, timing to be right place on the right time is a basic for the defend It's more base on psychic ability that can measure situation what might happen in curial Time. This is more base on intuition and sensitive of the sorrounding. Maguire don't have any of that

  • @hermankermit-warm1121
    @hermankermit-warm1121 Před rokem +3

    Apparently tifo only cover man utd these days. Thanks for a player profile on their entire squad and nothing on anyone else. Super interesting seeing as these topics are never covered by anyone else.🙂👍

    • @vta2265
      @vta2265 Před rokem

      It's literally their first video on United in like 2 months

    • @loganz20939
      @loganz20939 Před rokem

      Watch the video. They only mention Martinez in the beginning……………..

    • @hermankermit-warm1121
      @hermankermit-warm1121 Před rokem

      @@vta2265 obviously you're joking.

    • @hermankermit-warm1121
      @hermankermit-warm1121 Před rokem

      @@loganz20939 I'm good, tifos content is starting to become boring.

    • @jashandeepsingh6402
      @jashandeepsingh6402 Před rokem

      It's not a player analysis on Martinez. If you had you seen the video, you'd have realised they just used the controversy around Martinez to present an analysis on how modern centre backs are evolving in the game. Brentford's Ben Mee has more mentions in the video than Martinez.

  • @jeems2066
    @jeems2066 Před rokem +2

    Revisiting this and Martinez hasn't really done much wrong, such a gem of a player.

  • @georgemann4331
    @georgemann4331 Před rokem

    yeah this was definitely written before he got consecutive motms, nice to see the argument of height not mattering for a defender, it’s an obvious advantage but a good defender makes up for what he lacks in height

  • @foxinc.3153
    @foxinc.3153 Před rokem

    I feel like people who are good defensively and shorter that play CB end up being put into midfield of full back because coaches think you need a big CB and that's may be why you don't see a ton of short CB's

  • @D10995
    @D10995 Před rokem

    Can you make a video on the value of atmosphere in football stadiums, like when opposition teams go to Anfield and have such a difficult time because of the atmosphere inside.

  • @mafiousbj
    @mafiousbj Před rokem

    Guy was god tier vs Liverpool. Never heard of him before but the guy has incredible attitude and stamina, much more compromise with the team than many other past transfer from Man Utd

  • @bdsyndicate
    @bdsyndicate Před rokem

    Not forgetting the strengths of a tall centre half when it comes to their goal threat on corners

  • @iceman_7
    @iceman_7 Před rokem +1

    “Difficult start in the premier league” what??? Man’s been KILLING it at the heart of defence. Clean sheets consecutively since partnering up with Varane & not the fridge.

    • @dafunkyshit
      @dafunkyshit Před rokem +1

      clearly the video was made after the first two games. now that he's played amazing in the last three games i don't know why they bothered to make this video...

  • @LiloDemon
    @LiloDemon Před rokem

    Thiago Silva is 5'11" and Marquinhos is 6'0". They are considered shorts for their position, if look at it. But they are quite fast, they tackle very well and even have good position for aerial defensive and offensive plays.

  • @pkj2148
    @pkj2148 Před rokem +1

    I'm confused. Why are they using the imperial system? I thought the metric was used in England.

  • @finno-px6of
    @finno-px6of Před rokem

    Martinez has just won our POTM and has been the standout for 3 games now. I haven’t been this confident in our defence since Rio and vidic

  • @seanharricharan9191
    @seanharricharan9191 Před rokem

    The thing about Martinez, what he lacks in height, he makes up for in distribution, tenacity and aggression. But that kinda begs the question, he could have made a perfect DM so why didn't ETH play him there at first because of how much ManU was struggling in that department.

  • @solowali10
    @solowali10 Před rokem

    Lisandro has passion. something our CBs have lacked since the days of vidic.

  • @tdyerwestfield
    @tdyerwestfield Před rokem

    Height isn't of upmost importance but it does matter as other teams will see a weakness and target it with overloads which makes it difficult to play against. If you're good at heading, it won't matter e.g. Tim Cahill is 5'10" and much better at heading than 6'1" centre back Joe Gomez for example who lost all 8 of his aerial duels against Newcastle.

    • @lontongstroong
      @lontongstroong Před rokem

      The problem is that short players who are good in the air are rare. That's why Timmy Cahill and Lisandro are/were novelties. Ditto with tall muscular players who are agile at the same time.

  • @paullewis4585
    @paullewis4585 Před rokem

    It’s like “do you have to be tall to play basketball?”
    No, but it certainly helps, I’m two minutes in and the best points have already been made. It depends on how the club plays, the role of the Defender, and whatever works as an advantage.

  • @arjunramachandran4141

    I know the video may have been in the making for a while, but Martinez along with Varane have been pivotal in United maintaining 2 clean sheets in the last three games and winning 3 out of the last three.