Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Jeff O’Neill discuss if Mitch Marner can change public perception of him in Toronto and get the Maple Leafs fan base back on his side.
@@dustinadagala2590 he does. Lots of guys have NMCs. And they still get moved. Maybe he doesn’t want to go there, maybe he does. Who are we to know? Time will tell. I’m just saying there’s a fit w that trade for both sides from a hockey perspective
@@dustinadagala2590 While that is true, he only has a year left on the contract before he's a UFA and can choose wherever he wants to sign. It's not like someone like Hertl who had 6 years left before he was traded. I doubt Marner would make a stink over one year lmao. He's already viewed as a wimp on the ice.
As a Leafs fan, I'm sure we would like he can stay, but 4 guys tying up 40 million is ridiculous. Tavares contract was 3-4 years too long, hopefully Nylander can continue to sustain his play to match the contract, Keefe, as good as he is, needs to stop messing with the lines.If it worked, leave it. It was even talked about how out coached he was against Tampa both playoffs and couldn't adjust. Would I like to see what a new coach can do with Marner and the gang? Sure, but it goes back to 40 million in 4 guys who disappear in playoffs because they cannot perform playoff time. Marner happens to be the odd man out and if traded, I'm sure he'll find success. Hyman is not something to hold onto because for one, he's with McDavid, different system and two, nobody expected it. And if Shanahan was really calling the shots behind Dubas decisions, he also needs to be held accountable for the contracts given out.
Marner needs a rehabilitation project no matter if he stays or moves on 1) Mitch should confess that he didn’t cover his check in game 7 OT - all the way back to the Leafs net. {That is basically any backing assignment assignment (cover your man all the way back to the Leafs net). Mitch by giving up back checking at the Leafs Blue line - just looked like he doesn’t care for playoffs. 😀}
@@georgebenevides Any Leaf in any game has to back check to cover their man - all the way back to the Leafs net during any rush. Mitch best own up for giving up at the Leafs Blue Line & then just watching his man take a hard pass off the boards to score (while Mitch just watched his check score). The team got to OT game 7 - then everyone saw Marner give up on his check at the Leafs Blue Line. The Leafs could still be playing if an $11 Million player backed checked properly to cover his man to the Leafs net, or until Leafs broke up the Bruins rush by getting possession of the puck. That never happened. This is all about Mitch in Game 7 - OT. 😀 yes - Mitch screws up often in the playoffs in general
@@jimlangdon1947 Absolutely. Not disagreeing about back checking. People have to stop that Marner is being traded because of game 7. Its his Salary and his play in the Playoffs. Not just one game.
In 7 games no Leaf had more than 4 points! Headaches and tummy aches kept guys from the lineup. We know from around the league and in past Stanley runs what guys play through. Beloved Mathews scores 69 goals in the regular season by being constantly fed by Marner and others. Marner to take less money pff did Mathews take less money or did his ego say he wants to be the highest paid in the entire league and cash strap the leafs even further. This is not a one man problem. The guys I like the most were Domi/Bertuzzi/Knies/McCabe. What are they making, they may not have had the offensive finish they would have liked but at least they played with heart. Don used to say cant win with Americans and Sweeds.... Yes that is not a politically correct statement and it is quite stereotypical but sometimes the underlying message is accurate. 4 More months of guys on the desk created various scenarios that can never pan out. Guys with no move clauses and high salaries, seriously next October the same lines will be starting. Shouldn't Shanahan be moving on the Detroit already.
Well said 👍🏻 I think he could be like the Phil Kessel situation… Once Kessel went to a team where he wasn’t the main guy with high expectations he thrived
He bet on himself on the last contract at the expense of the team and fans and then underdelivered when it actually counted! He lost the bet. He needs to own that. This isn’t fans turning on him or creating a narrative. He manufactured it and he needs to own the outcome. Fans certainly have to own it, the loss of time, money, energy, and the ridicule of other fan bases calling us on the obvious. I’ll take 2-3 depth players please and a legit chance to contend courtesy of cap.
Yeah show up in the playoffs. He could win the Conn Smythe trophy next year and he’d still not worth 10.9 million. Of course that’s not going to happen anyways so he either shits the bed for one more year or he mans up and allows the Leads to trade him.
Leafs are 8-5-2 without marner over the last five years. Extrapolated to 82 games and the leafs are around 98 or 99 points which gets them in the playoffs. That's without considering what they replace him with.
John Summer is a Marner fanboy first then a Leafs fan. And even calling him q Leafs fan is a stretch. Marner is the weakest link and the Leafs will be more than fine without him. John, however won’t be, he’ll need to buy a new Marner jersey with a new crest on the front.
This is ridiculous. If Samsonov has the brains to poke check a puck 6 inches in front of him then this discussion would not happen. The blame for the last goal goes on Tavares and Bertuzzi & Sammy, not Marner. Then there's the nonsense that the core cannot score. 34 & 88 were injured for a total of 7 games! If they are not playing they cannot possibly score. Shanny should be fired for giving too much money to 4 players.
The way the fans are treating Marner he should leave for another Eastern team so he can knock the Leafs out of the playoffs and get the last laugh. Leafs fans make so many excuses and pin one player for their grief. How about all the other “passengers” who road the team to the playoffs and didn’t step up?
Get out of there Mitch. Go to a new team, bust your ass, become a playoff beast and then maybe come back to Toronto at the end but right now it's all a mess.
Yes he is taking to much blame people say he doesn't hit has more hits then nylander doesn't block shot has more blocked shots then nylander play a all round better game then nylander and actually has heart. I haven't seen 1 professional talk about nylander disgusting effort on that pasta goal in OT, he literally coasted up the slot ignored marner didn't try to support anyone marner even pointed at pasta and he could of got on his horse and supported him but he just accepted defeat and watched the play! Didn't take one stride. Marner has the best playoff stats and if I was him I'd be sick of taking the blame all the time every year he developed his game and no one talks about it. The truth is people need to get off nylanders dick and have to call him out for his lazy selfish play, he is 200 pounds and doesn't throw hits, or block shot , plays horrible defense and really only puts effort in when he wants like when he wants a bag for an extention it's pathetic. Oh and I also did some investigating where was nylander at marners wedding? Saw the photo of all the leafs that made it and no nylander 😂 i beleive he has been the issue in the locker room for years now, Thinks he is more important then he is. Their roles should be switch if anything nylander should play more defensivly like marner does and marner should worry more about offense and develop his shot.
Get Rid of .. MORGAN REILLY ... ASAP !!! Matthews scored a Lot of his Goals BECAUSE of Marner . Trading Marner is Crazy . Always Keep Marner & Matthews on the 1st Line .. EVEN Killing Penalties . Domi SHOULD have been the other Winger on 1st Line , NOT Bertuzzi .
I like Marner but they can't have 4 players making 10M+. Marner plays the PP and PK, blocks shots. Marner plays well during the season while Nylander doesn't play to Marner's capability during the season but has a better output in the Playoffs.
Send him to Gary Roberts for the summer, he will come back with a new attitude. In all seriousness though, he needs to be traded. He isn't fitting what is needed and his production can be replaced with a few cheaper pieces and still have money left over for a D man.
power play defense penalty kill plays against the best what else does he need to do?
be playoff ready, its a different season, his type don't win Stanley Cups
Marner for Keller - Utah makes a splash and the leafs change the mix
Mitch has a thing in his contract that allows him to chose his team destination sooo
@@dustinadagala2590 he does. Lots of guys have NMCs. And they still get moved. Maybe he doesn’t want to go there, maybe he does. Who are we to know? Time will tell. I’m just saying there’s a fit w that trade for both sides from a hockey perspective
@@dustinadagala2590 While that is true, he only has a year left on the contract before he's a UFA and can choose wherever he wants to sign. It's not like someone like Hertl who had 6 years left before he was traded. I doubt Marner would make a stink over one year lmao. He's already viewed as a wimp on the ice.
He’d be great on PWHL Toronto where there’s no body checking, if you’re gonna be small you gotta be tenacious and he’s not
The ladies have been playing quite physical!!! They would put you through the boards Bill!
Lmao yeah exactly 😂
You are blind.
Yeah maybe in Utah.
If ANYONE thinks the Leafs can compete at this level with or WITHOUT MARNER they should up the meds !
The leafs compete with marner right now so maybe you should lay off the meds
Marner is gonna look great in Carolina red.
As a Leafs fan, I'm sure we would like he can stay, but 4 guys tying up 40 million is ridiculous. Tavares contract was 3-4 years too long, hopefully Nylander can continue to sustain his play to match the contract, Keefe, as good as he is, needs to stop messing with the lines.If it worked, leave it. It was even talked about how out coached he was against Tampa both playoffs and couldn't adjust. Would I like to see what a new coach can do with Marner and the gang? Sure, but it goes back to 40 million in 4 guys who disappear in playoffs because they cannot perform playoff time. Marner happens to be the odd man out and if traded, I'm sure he'll find success. Hyman is not something to hold onto because for one, he's with McDavid, different system and two, nobody expected it. And if Shanahan was really calling the shots behind Dubas decisions, he also needs to be held accountable for the contracts given out.
Marner needs a rehabilitation project no matter if he stays or moves on
1) Mitch should confess that he didn’t cover his check in game 7 OT - all the way back to the Leafs net.
{That is basically any backing assignment assignment (cover your man all the way back to the Leafs net). Mitch by giving up back checking at the Leafs Blue line - just looked like he doesn’t care for playoffs. 😀}
People have to stop with game 7. The Marner issue is not because of game 7. Its Marner in the Playoffs.
@@georgebenevides Any Leaf in any game has to back check to cover their man - all the way back to the Leafs net during any rush. Mitch best own up for giving up at the Leafs Blue Line & then just watching his man take a hard pass off the boards to score (while Mitch just watched his check score).
The team got to OT game 7 - then everyone saw Marner give up on his check at the Leafs Blue Line.
The Leafs could still be playing if an $11 Million player backed checked properly to cover his man to the Leafs net, or until Leafs broke up the Bruins rush by getting possession of the puck. That never happened.
This is all about Mitch in Game 7 - OT. 😀 yes - Mitch screws up often in the playoffs in general
@@jimlangdon1947 Absolutely. Not disagreeing about back checking. People have to stop that Marner is being traded because of game 7. Its his Salary and his play in the Playoffs. Not just one game.
@@georgebenevides This was an example of many Core 4 Leaf playoff disappointments. What is sad is - they don’t man up to these screw ups. 😀
@@jimlangdon1947 The Playoffs are over. What is Mitch gonna say. Pasta was faster to the puck.
In 7 games no Leaf had more than 4 points! Headaches and tummy aches kept guys from the lineup. We know from around the league and in past Stanley runs what guys play through. Beloved Mathews scores 69 goals in the regular season by being constantly fed by Marner and others. Marner to take less money pff did Mathews take less money or did his ego say he wants to be the highest paid in the entire league and cash strap the leafs even further. This is not a one man problem. The guys I like the most were Domi/Bertuzzi/Knies/McCabe. What are they making, they may not have had the offensive finish they would have liked but at least they played with heart. Don used to say cant win with Americans and Sweeds.... Yes that is not a politically correct statement and it is quite stereotypical but sometimes the underlying message is accurate. 4 More months of guys on the desk created various scenarios that can never pan out. Guys with no move clauses and high salaries, seriously next October the same lines will be starting. Shouldn't Shanahan be moving on the Detroit already.
Marner will be fine in the right situation but this is no longer the right situation for him or the team.
Well said 👍🏻 I think he could be like the Phil Kessel situation… Once Kessel went to a team where he wasn’t the main guy with high expectations he thrived
A new Leafs coach will tweak his game and make him better.
He bet on himself on the last contract at the expense of the team and fans and then underdelivered when it actually counted! He lost the bet. He needs to own that. This isn’t fans turning on him or creating a narrative. He manufactured it and he needs to own the outcome. Fans certainly have to own it, the loss of time, money, energy, and the ridicule of other fan bases calling us on the obvious. I’ll take 2-3 depth players please and a legit chance to contend courtesy of cap.
Wayyyyyyy too late for that.
Guy is one season off the franchise point streak record and now he's the problem? That's desperation talking not rationality.
Yeah show up in the playoffs.
He could win the Conn Smythe trophy next year and he’d still not worth 10.9 million.
Of course that’s not going to happen anyways so he either shits the bed for one more year or he mans up and allows the Leads to trade him.
Take less money? Funny. Remember these guys are killers at the negotiation table. In the playoffs? Not so much
I would never trade Marner he's going to make you eat your words
watching Pasta blow by with the clueless look, classic asleep at the wheel, please leave Toronto asap
Why does Hayes have such a say in Marners' future.? Who tf is this guy?
No Marner, no playoffs.Matthews down to 40 goals seasons.
Leafs are 8-5-2 without marner over the last five years. Extrapolated to 82 games and the leafs are around 98 or 99 points which gets them in the playoffs. That's without considering what they replace him with.
John Summer is a Marner fanboy first then a Leafs fan. And even calling him q Leafs fan is a stretch. Marner is the weakest link and the Leafs will be more than fine without him. John, however won’t be, he’ll need to buy a new Marner jersey with a new crest on the front.
@@HandShakeLineRespect And you , as easily seen, are an idiot.
Sign UFA's ... Domi .. Lyubushkin .. Kapanen .. Ekkman Larsson ...... ALL other unsigned Players can Walk
This is ridiculous. If Samsonov has the brains to poke check a puck 6 inches in front of him then this discussion would not happen. The blame for the last goal goes on Tavares and Bertuzzi & Sammy, not Marner. Then there's the nonsense that the core cannot score. 34 & 88 were injured for a total of 7 games! If they are not playing they cannot possibly score. Shanny should be fired for giving too much money to 4 players.
No SNOT ! NO GOT !
And why are they playing Sammy? Yeah because they used all the money on the core 4
@@dertfert745 really poor management. They do have MattMurray, unfortunatley injured.
The way the fans are treating Marner he should leave for another Eastern team so he can knock the Leafs out of the playoffs and get the last laugh. Leafs fans make so many excuses and pin one player for their grief. How about all the other “passengers” who road the team to the playoffs and didn’t step up?
Get out of there Mitch. Go to a new team, bust your ass, become a playoff beast and then maybe come back to Toronto at the end but right now it's all a mess.
marner is going to get traded this offseason. and the best thing that happens to his career is getting out of toronto
Its called youth.
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mitch won't ever change ,hes too scared to play in play-offs
Marner has to be traded. Toronto the City is tired of seeing Marner in a Leafs jersey the guy quit on the OT goal.
Who cares get him out of here man
Yes he is taking to much blame people say he doesn't hit has more hits then nylander doesn't block shot has more blocked shots then nylander play a all round better game then nylander and actually has heart.
I haven't seen 1 professional talk about nylander disgusting effort on that pasta goal in OT, he literally coasted up the slot ignored marner didn't try to support anyone marner even pointed at pasta and he could of got on his horse and supported him but he just accepted defeat and watched the play! Didn't take one stride.
Marner has the best playoff stats and if I was him I'd be sick of taking the blame all the time every year he developed his game and no one talks about it.
The truth is people need to get off nylanders dick and have to call him out for his lazy selfish play, he is 200 pounds and doesn't throw hits, or block shot , plays horrible defense and really only puts effort in when he wants like when he wants a bag for an extention it's pathetic. Oh and I also did some investigating where was nylander at marners wedding? Saw the photo of all the leafs that made it and no nylander 😂 i beleive he has been the issue in the locker room for years now, Thinks he is more important then he is.
Their roles should be switch if anything nylander should play more defensivly like marner does and marner should worry more about offense and develop his shot.
Hell no! The guy's purely one-dimensional.
Get Rid of .. MORGAN REILLY ... ASAP !!! Matthews scored a Lot of his Goals BECAUSE of Marner . Trading Marner is Crazy .
Always Keep Marner & Matthews on the 1st Line .. EVEN Killing Penalties . Domi SHOULD have been the other Winger on 1st Line , NOT Bertuzzi .
I like Marner but they can't have 4 players making 10M+. Marner plays the PP and PK, blocks shots. Marner plays well during the season while Nylander doesn't play to Marner's capability during the season but has a better output in the Playoffs.
Send him to Gary Roberts for the summer, he will come back with a new attitude. In all seriousness though, he needs to be traded. He isn't fitting what is needed and his production can be replaced with a few cheaper pieces and still have money left over for a D man.
I agree. Leafs need players fitted to their needs. Marner played well in 2019 playoffs against Carolina.
marner is the leafs best player, leafs fans are wild lol
Matthews says hi