As an N&W fan, I love how you guys expertly tried to create what very well could’ve been a PRR steam engine. I find the headlight arrangement and tender design to be the most unique, especially considering the N&W heritage of the design. Look forward to seeing future models!
I had tried to keep the engine as "N&W" as I figured the PRR would have kept it, judging by what they did with the C&O T1 turning it into the PRR J1, I did however make a few additions like the belpaire firebox and repositioning a few of the domes to change the whistle positioning like how most PRR engines tended to have it. But since it never actually happened, we never will know what it would have looked like. This is just what I had imagined!
@@connorflaherty175 I heard of this test almost 20 years ago, but never had the means to make it happen. Now that I had an N&W A class, a ton of PRR engines, and resources to make it happen, this seemed like a good time.
I heard they might've made a few other engine designs: -FF2 2-6-6-2 (based off USRA light mallet) -HG1 (extended and articulated version of Q1 and Q2) -GG2 (baldwin's variant on the challenger) -DD2/T2 (4-4-4-4 articulated mixed traffic locomotive. Name was never decided) -P6 (basically a "K4 baltic" 4-6-4) -AA1 (heavy articulated switcher) -DB1 (a T1 precursor, with no streamlining or trailing truck) Edit-I meant FF3, PRR already had FF2 electrics
Nice, I love what-ifs, they fascinate me on the basis on what if they were chosen, or what if this happened. I've got a theory going on about the triplexes.
Well, close enough to a Q2 I guess... and it's been a while since you made an articulated so..... TAKE MY MONEY!!! Also, maybe for a possible articulated locomotive candidate, (I already suggested for this one, but I don't know if you read my comment on the WM I1 Decapod promo) maybe you can make the Delaware & Hudson's J-class 4-6-6-4 Challenger? It's an interesting and beastly locomotive.. shame none survived dieselization though, and it has never been made as Trainz content like, EVER..…. 😐 Anyway, GREAT JOB AS USUAL STEVE!!
trainz 4460 productions Dude, the 3001 is NOT getting restored to operation. You probably got this information that was released in 2011, that’s like 8 years in the past mate. And please don’t change the subject.
K&L trainz takes commissions. Someone pays them X amount of money for their engine to be put into Trainz. They don’t take suggestions. Check their projects list. They have Arcade and Attica 18 up next, followed by GTW 6325. These were paid by various people who wanted fantastic designs of their engine in trainz. Anything from a simple engine to an entire consist can be included, ex the 261 project might include the excursion consist or maybe some freight cars, the L1 project might include the chessie passenger train and some conventional c&o coaches, etc. Don’t “suggest” to K&L that they should ever do anything. They won’t listen and won’t care about what you want because they have their own projects to work on, and to them it could be annoying, even. If they did take suggestions they’d be bombarded with foamers.
Never would have thought you could make a what could have been engine for the Pennsy after experimenting with the C&O T1 and N&W A, Mr. Lerro. It kinda looks like a Pennsy Q2 but that is my opinion.
This is the best thing I've ever seen in trainz. I wanna see more of this kind of thing, always have. Like, the what if's, the kind of stuff the S. Berliner guy was on to. Love this new model, I may get the new trainz just to download all the great stuff I've seen on this channel!
Absolutely stunning! The locomotive design was more than amazing, but the entire rendition of the engine, rolling stock and scenery made this video delightful to view again and again! Very impressive!
I knew something was bound to happen today when I saw that Facebook post. It's great looking locomotive and I'll definitely put it on my list of things to buy.
Wonderful job that engine would have been awesome to see in action back in the day and I wish PRR had these locomotives on the roster. I am not a fan of the Pennsylvania, but I like unique locomotives she is amazing and her whistle 2:393:42 also fits her perfectly. That whistle is amazing, makes a great voice for her. Nice job!!!
I'd love to see one of these in Pennsy's freight livery. Round plate and banshee whistle. And a black/brunswick green roof, if I recall correctly. Still, amazing job on this one!
Oh my goodness!!! Yes, I would believe if a 2-6-6-4 was ever built for the Pennsylvania RR based on the N&W A 2-6-6-4, it will look exactly just like this!!! And were did the FG come from and what's the code meaning? And the rest of it is AWESOME!!! Keep up the best work at your own pace, no need to be at a rush...!!! I think that if some people sees this soon, and never seen anything like this, I think one of them might have an idea to built THIS!!!
It's explained in the video where the FG came from. They usually classed the articulated engines by the 2 existing set of wheels used in the articulated....so an F 2-6-0, and G for the reversed 4-6-0, and -1 since it was the first of it's class.
Very well done K&L Trainz! I love this "what may have been" idea! So many possibilities! I hope there will be more fantasy trains of the different railroad made by K&L Trainz, especially for Pennsy. :-) Another "what may have been" idea: A PRR Northern 4-8-4s base on the design of N&W Class J (maybe a different streamlining?)
The thing that shocks me is how fast some of the steam locomotives could go.Forget the 35 mph.Locomotives of this time would go over 100 mph.And even freights where known to get down the line.During ww2 didn,t the santa fe get a few of n&w 2-8-8-2 and 2-6-6-4.I know I saw pictures of these locomotives in books.
These particular engines had 70" drivers, so a max speed would be in the 70-75mph range. Anything above that is stressful on the parts, but not impossible. N&W was known for using the A's on hot freights that needed higher speeds, so it's assumed these would have done the same, although the PRR M1's were the go-to's for the fast freights.
@@KLTrainz...common myth about driver diameter being directly correlated with speed in mph: 70" drivers, 70 mph... Many locos on PRR and others ran 100+ mph schedules without 100" drivers, so?
I must say that your locomotives inspired me, last night, to buy Trainz 2012 even when my laptop can barely run it. I also went and got some of your locomotives and I’m more than astounded. Currently I can’t seem to get the Hiawatha or the Dreyfuss Hudson to work but I will continue to trouble shoot. Thank you guys!
@@KLTrainz I believe I may not have installed SP1 and it was the SP1 locomotives I have purchased. The coaches show up fine but the locomotives themselves don't. As I type this I'm installing SP1, so hopefully that should solve the issue.
@@KLTrainz Over the past day I've tried to download SP1 and had to re-install the game multiple times, unfortunately. I am now on build 61388 and it still doesn't appear to be working. I might reinstall again and try from the beginning, which is unfortunate because it took about 3 hours to patch it to begin with.
@@noahdavidson8733 Depending on what build your game was before, getting to the latest version of 2012 can be very time consuming, hours and hours, as you saw. Does the game just not launch? Or are you still having issues installing my content? It may be easier to use the support tab on www.KLtrainz.com instead of through youtube comments if you need assistance.
@@KLTrainz I'll check the support tab momentarily. But what I can tell you is that the Hudson and Hiawatha will not show up in game, they show up as red when I attempt to place them in Surveyor. Their cars load fine, but the engines themselves do not.
Two things: PRR's Q-2 was actually pretty close size wise. Just make one drive axle a pilot axle and you would have the 4-4-6-4 of the Q-2, albeit rigid frame and not articulated. Also as far as a main line articulated would go, I think PRR would have put the headlight on the pilot beam as it would move with the front engine around curves. Still it is a nice looking creation and a beautiful "what if."
It'd odd for sure, but it goes along with where it was on the PRR Q2. I wanted to make the engine as "Pennsyified" as possible, even if they probably wouldn't have gone with it there on an articulated.
I’m sure this type would’ve eventually replaced the 4-4-4-4; seeing that this type of articulated locomotive had less problems when the N&W used it, this could’ve very well been a fast freight/passenger locomotive on the PRR. Alas, one can o my dream. Maybe the railway would’ve been more successful if they adopted this design
The 2-10-4 did. PRR class T1 4-4-4-4's ran with a higher boiler pressure but lower TE than the Chessie design 2-10-4's - at the price of doubling the number of complex parts to be maintained... PRR was looking for speed and efficiency, and the way to get it with most of the designs they tried was with that 4-wheel tailing truck + large firebox -as in the Baldwin Duplex, which _wasnt_ articulated- and, of course, the large-diameter, high-speed roller bearing drivers. N&W class A's had *twice* as many _moving parts_ as the PRR J1's, but the *same* _TE per driving axle_ ...so no advantage for the 2-6-6-4 vs 2-10-4, especially with wartime draft and labor shortages in the PRR maintenance shops. Good thing Trainz doesn't have realistic maintenance costs!!
I was wondering what it'd be like if the Pennsy chose the N&W A over the C&O T-1. I guess your rendition of the Standardized A answers my question perfectly. This is a beautiful model. I'm definitely adding this to my virtual roster, perhaps even chalk up a fictional reskin. Well done. Huh... a fictional reskin of a fictional/"what-if" engine... _Fictionception_
This is amazing work! But I don't think the PRR would have gone with an "alligator" crosshead. Their larger modern steam engines seem to use the multiple-bearing type.
Never know because the design they did go with already had the single overhead crosshead guide similar to what their own engines already used. If they went with the N&W A design, it may have been one thing they did or didn't change. The design was already proven beyond efficient with them, so there probably wouldn't have been a need to change them.
Pardon me, but can I also use some of the footage of the FG-1? (Video material of this concept is scarce and I could fit it Into my video alongside the Hudson you allowed me to use.)
A locomotive we didn't even know we wanted! Great Job, Steve!
didn't expect this. as a star wars character once said "a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one"
W A S. T H A T. A P R E Q U E L. M E M E ?
Lane's Trains Hello there
@@CharlieStudios General Kenobi!
You absolute genius, you just built a new locomotive. I'll take 20.
As an N&W fan, I love how you guys expertly tried to create what very well could’ve been a PRR steam engine. I find the headlight arrangement and tender design to be the most unique, especially considering the N&W heritage of the design. Look forward to seeing future models!
I had tried to keep the engine as "N&W" as I figured the PRR would have kept it, judging by what they did with the C&O T1 turning it into the PRR J1, I did however make a few additions like the belpaire firebox and repositioning a few of the domes to change the whistle positioning like how most PRR engines tended to have it. But since it never actually happened, we never will know what it would have looked like. This is just what I had imagined!
K&L Trainz If I may ask, was this an idea you had for a while or something you just came up with?
@@connorflaherty175 I heard of this test almost 20 years ago, but never had the means to make it happen. Now that I had an N&W A class, a ton of PRR engines, and resources to make it happen, this seemed like a good time.
PRR FG-1 7663 tons hauling challenge!
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czcams.com/video/aVnGfbUE1Wk/video.html
I heard they might've made a few other engine designs:
-FF2 2-6-6-2 (based off USRA light mallet)
-HG1 (extended and articulated version of Q1 and Q2)
-GG2 (baldwin's variant on the challenger)
-DD2/T2 (4-4-4-4 articulated mixed traffic locomotive. Name was never decided)
-P6 (basically a "K4 baltic" 4-6-4)
-AA1 (heavy articulated switcher)
-DB1 (a T1 precursor, with no streamlining or trailing truck)
Edit-I meant FF3, PRR already had FF2 electrics
I hope the list is real! HG1, DB1, and P6 will be interesting. My wishlist includes a normal Q1 though.......
@@Jones3DModelingClub thanks, bro
Nice, I love what-ifs, they fascinate me on the basis on what if they were chosen, or what if this happened. I've got a theory going on about the triplexes.
what if they had copied more designs like a Southern Pacific GS-4 to deal with the slow development of the T1
Yay new PRR and a new articulated locomotive two surprises in one. No rating system can handle this much awesome. Thank you Steve.
This is beautiful. We need to get Bachmann or Athearn on board.
Agreed!
I love these kinds of "what if" fantasy locomotives. thats so cool.
Awesome locomotive and a very nice promo
I'm impressed, this does look like something the Pennsy would've done had they gone with the N&W A. Now what's next, a New York Central C1a Duplex?
Well, close enough to a Q2 I guess... and it's been a while since you made an articulated so..... TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Also, maybe for a possible articulated locomotive candidate, (I already suggested for this one, but I don't know if you read my comment on the WM I1 Decapod promo) maybe you can make the Delaware & Hudson's J-class 4-6-6-4 Challenger? It's an interesting and beastly locomotive.. shame none survived dieselization though, and it has never been made as Trainz content like, EVER..…. 😐
Anyway, GREAT JOB AS USUAL STEVE!!
The tender of a J challenger was used by Canadian pacific as a spare aux tender in case 2816's broke.
@@thestarlightalchemist7333 That's interesting to know, but that's not what I'm talking about.
@@rayvaul3539 also, are you excited about 3001's restoration? I am.
trainz 4460 productions Dude, the 3001 is NOT getting restored to operation. You probably got this information that was released in 2011, that’s like 8 years in the past mate. And please don’t change the subject.
K&L trainz takes commissions. Someone pays them X amount of money for their engine to be put into Trainz.
They don’t take suggestions. Check their projects list. They have Arcade and Attica 18 up next, followed by GTW 6325. These were paid by various people who wanted fantastic designs of their engine in trainz. Anything from a simple engine to an entire consist can be included, ex the 261 project might include the excursion consist or maybe some freight cars, the L1 project might include the chessie passenger train and some conventional c&o coaches, etc.
Don’t “suggest” to K&L that they should ever do anything. They won’t listen and won’t care about what you want because they have their own projects to work on, and to them it could be annoying, even. If they did take suggestions they’d be bombarded with foamers.
“Dang Pennsy, back at it again with the *BIG TENDERS!* “
TAKE MY MONEY NOW
This just makes me happy, I love the what if’s that actually make sense
Never would have thought you could make a what could have been engine for the Pennsy after experimenting with the C&O T1 and N&W A, Mr. Lerro. It kinda looks like a Pennsy Q2 but that is my opinion.
This is the best thing I've ever seen in trainz. I wanna see more of this kind of thing, always have. Like, the what if's, the kind of stuff the S. Berliner guy was on to. Love this new model, I may get the new trainz just to download all the great stuff I've seen on this channel!
I wish the Pennsy would’ve made a real life version of this. It would make a good O Scale or Ho Scale model
I would cry. I would seriously cry.
Thank you so much!
If a model train manufacturer wants to build this, I'd pre- order! Awesome job!
Despite it being fictional...that thing is a beast!
Absolutely stunning! The locomotive design was more than amazing, but the entire rendition of the engine, rolling stock and scenery made this video delightful to view again and again! Very impressive!
OMG I love the idea of "what if" steam locomotives. Keep this up please it's really fascinating
Another great surprise well done! At least we know when the next one is due! Congrats!
I knew something was bound to happen today when I saw that Facebook post. It's great looking locomotive and I'll definitely put it on my list of things to buy.
Now this is what i wish existed, Im happy with you, K&L. Happy!
I love the fantasy locomotive cool to see something that should have existed but did love it guys keep up the great work
Man I want to learn how to properly pull off that shaky cam. Amazing work.
That is a *MIGHTY* locomotive!
Now this is something out if the blue, nice work, you guys have truly outdone yourselves this time, #deadimpressed
An excellent video! Thanks so much for what might have been. The realism is beyond belief.
Wonderful job that engine would have been awesome to see in action back in the day and I wish PRR had these locomotives on the roster. I am not a fan of the Pennsylvania, but I like unique locomotives she is amazing and her whistle 2:39 3:42 also fits her perfectly. That whistle is amazing, makes a great voice for her. Nice job!!!
Very beautiful model yet again!!!! Nice job.
Okay I'd take this over an N&W A class just for the looks
I'd love to see one of these in Pennsy's freight livery. Round plate and banshee whistle. And a black/brunswick green roof, if I recall correctly. Still, amazing job on this one!
The PRR FG-1 looks awesome! I love that PRR 3 chime! ❤
I keep getting amazed by your videos keep up the good work
Oh my goodness!!!
Yes, I would believe if a 2-6-6-4 was ever built for the Pennsylvania RR based on the N&W A 2-6-6-4, it will look exactly just like this!!!
And were did the FG come from and what's the code meaning?
And the rest of it is AWESOME!!!
Keep up the best work at your own pace, no need to be at a rush...!!!
I think that if some people sees this soon, and never seen anything like this, I think one of them might have an idea to built THIS!!!
It's explained in the video where the FG came from. They usually classed the articulated engines by the 2 existing set of wheels used in the articulated....so an F 2-6-0, and G for the reversed 4-6-0, and -1 since it was the first of it's class.
@@KLTrainz Yeah I heard that part earlier but then it didn't make much since at all... Oh I get it now!
Wow, I like Steve's ideas
First engine of the year and you definitely hit it off with a bang
Very well done K&L Trainz! I love this "what may have been" idea! So many possibilities! I hope there will be more fantasy trains of the different railroad made by K&L Trainz, especially for Pennsy. :-) Another "what may have been" idea: A PRR Northern 4-8-4s base on the design of N&W Class J (maybe a different streamlining?)
Borrowed the WM J1 from his site and painted her in PRR lettering.
Pennsy supposedly hated the Js. Not sure why. Perhaps they were just jealous N&W had such good power?
The thing that shocks me is how fast some of the steam locomotives could go.Forget the 35 mph.Locomotives of this time would go over 100 mph.And even freights where known to get down the line.During ww2 didn,t the santa fe get a few of n&w 2-8-8-2 and 2-6-6-4.I know I saw pictures of these locomotives in books.
These particular engines had 70" drivers, so a max speed would be in the 70-75mph range. Anything above that is stressful on the parts, but not impossible. N&W was known for using the A's on hot freights that needed higher speeds, so it's assumed these would have done the same, although the PRR M1's were the go-to's for the fast freights.
@@KLTrainz...common myth about driver diameter being directly correlated with speed in mph: 70" drivers, 70 mph... Many locos on PRR and others ran 100+ mph schedules without 100" drivers, so?
I always was a PRR steam fan, i never knew they used a class A in tests though!
YES. THANK YOU K&L TRAINZ YOUVE JUST MADE A FANTASTIC ARTICULATED!!!
You should totally make custom locomotives! This is amazing!
This is by far the best you've ever done and to me this is train model of 2019.
Long live the PRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Lane's Trains love the combination of Star Wars & Train References!
Awesome job Steve! Looks like you did the homework for this one! That PRR 3 Chime has such a sweet sound to it.
Great job as always Steve!
Man I do love the PRR whistles and damn K&L nice job on something that could’ve been built but wasn’t. Fantasy
I must say that your locomotives inspired me, last night, to buy Trainz 2012 even when my laptop can barely run it. I also went and got some of your locomotives and I’m more than astounded. Currently I can’t seem to get the Hiawatha or the Dreyfuss Hudson to work but I will continue to trouble shoot. Thank you guys!
What issues are you having? A missing dependency? Something faulty?
@@KLTrainz I believe I may not have installed SP1 and it was the SP1 locomotives I have purchased. The coaches show up fine but the locomotives themselves don't. As I type this I'm installing SP1, so hopefully that should solve the issue.
@@KLTrainz Over the past day I've tried to download SP1 and had to re-install the game multiple times, unfortunately. I am now on build 61388 and it still doesn't appear to be working. I might reinstall again and try from the beginning, which is unfortunate because it took about 3 hours to patch it to begin with.
@@noahdavidson8733 Depending on what build your game was before, getting to the latest version of 2012 can be very time consuming, hours and hours, as you saw. Does the game just not launch? Or are you still having issues installing my content? It may be easier to use the support tab on www.KLtrainz.com instead of through youtube comments if you need assistance.
@@KLTrainz I'll check the support tab momentarily. But what I can tell you is that the Hudson and Hiawatha will not show up in game, they show up as red when I attempt to place them in Surveyor. Their cars load fine, but the engines themselves do not.
That is awesome. I wish I still had my trainz 2006 disc
Indeed it is awesome.. even though you wouldn’t be able to add K&L content onto Trainz 2006
TheStrawEgg Productions yeah I wouldn’t but I had so many amazing engines downloaded like cnr 3254, n&w 600, And a few others
Great job great alternative to the c&o t1
That is a cool Fantasy locomotive! I just think that it’s an “What If” engine!
Two things: PRR's Q-2 was actually pretty close size wise. Just make one drive axle a pilot axle and you would have the 4-4-6-4 of the Q-2, albeit rigid frame and not articulated. Also as far as a main line articulated would go, I think PRR would have put the headlight on the pilot beam as it would move with the front engine around curves. Still it is a nice looking creation and a beautiful "what if."
Not keen on the location of the bell, but other than that, this is EPIC.
It'd odd for sure, but it goes along with where it was on the PRR Q2. I wanted to make the engine as "Pennsyified" as possible, even if they probably wouldn't have gone with it there on an articulated.
If this engine was chosen, then instead of the fg1 being here it would be the j1 and and the fg1 would have been built during the early days of k&l
Cant wait to add it to my Railroad Roster of Steam Locomotives
AMAZING LOCOMOTIVE STEVE!!
is it just me or is his voice fantastic
Very interesting concept
The FG1 looks fantastic and sometimes I get confused the road numbers orders. 👍🏼
Wow. That is brilliant.
This would've been super awesome if this had happened! Well done!
Actually... looks extremely nice.
I’m sure this type would’ve eventually replaced the 4-4-4-4; seeing that this type of articulated locomotive had less problems when the N&W used it, this could’ve very well been a fast freight/passenger locomotive on the PRR. Alas, one can o my dream. Maybe the railway would’ve been more successful if they adopted this design
The 2-10-4 did. PRR class T1 4-4-4-4's ran with a higher boiler pressure but lower TE than the Chessie design 2-10-4's - at the price of doubling the number of complex parts to be maintained...
PRR was looking for speed and efficiency, and the way to get it with most of the designs they tried was with that 4-wheel tailing truck + large firebox -as in the Baldwin Duplex, which _wasnt_ articulated- and, of course, the large-diameter, high-speed roller bearing drivers.
N&W class A's had *twice* as many _moving parts_ as the PRR J1's, but the *same* _TE per driving axle_ ...so no advantage for the 2-6-6-4 vs 2-10-4, especially with wartime draft and labor shortages in the PRR maintenance shops. Good thing Trainz doesn't have realistic maintenance costs!!
That thing would have been neat.😎
Oh, alright
Whoa! That’s new!
It’s amazing! I wanna get it so bad!
even though it has the Pennsy three-chime, i'd still prefer the N&W's whistle, especially 1218's, considering what it's based on.
ITMCBHPBGF. Considering the J1 didn’t have a C&O hooter like C&O T1 had, I highly doubt the FG-1 would have had an N&W hooter.
Quite a helluva concept!
Very nice with the custom steam locomotive Steve.
Just watched your video and subscribed, nice job ! Thanks
Thanks! Enjoy the rest of the videos!
What an absolute UNIT.
I love it Steve! Well done!
Anyone know the song used?
DAMN! You guys really did your research
There is a universe where this engine was a reality, and you guys made the fictional "J1" class.
This so awesome and dope man!
We are getting close to seeing A&A 18!
I was wondering what it'd be like if the Pennsy chose the N&W A over the C&O T-1. I guess your rendition of the Standardized A answers my question perfectly.
This is a beautiful model. I'm definitely adding this to my virtual roster, perhaps even chalk up a fictional reskin. Well done.
Huh... a fictional reskin of a fictional/"what-if" engine... _Fictionception_
Very creative. That’s what could’ve happened. But I also wonder. If this design was built, what would have been the fate of the N&W 1218.
This is amazing work! But I don't think the PRR would have gone with an "alligator" crosshead. Their larger modern steam engines seem to use the multiple-bearing type.
Never know because the design they did go with already had the single overhead crosshead guide similar to what their own engines already used. If they went with the N&W A design, it may have been one thing they did or didn't change. The design was already proven beyond efficient with them, so there probably wouldn't have been a need to change them.
You guys should do something similar with the T1's Original 4-4-4-4 "Camelback" design
Thanks for the video!
What could have been is a cool video.
This is surprisingly well done!
Would be neat if VMT could dress up N&W 1218 as a PRR FG-1 (as much as possible) so we could get a "real-life" example for a little while
DO MORE OF THESE FICTIONAL DESIGN
ps loving it
This looks eerily like the q2 locomotive
Even if never made in real life, I'd buy a scalemodel of one!
Now I wander what a PM Hudson would look like
Very nice! :D
Well done what a great fictional engine if the Pennsylvania Railroad did away with the Norfolk and Western Class A
Cool
Now I want to see what a PRR Northern would look like to go against the NYC Niagaras.
Nice
Wow this is a great model
Pardon me, but can I also use some of the footage of the FG-1? (Video material of this concept is scarce and I could fit it Into my video alongside the Hudson you allowed me to use.)