Unresolved: The Iran Threat
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- Post-October 7th, Iran's presence in the Middle East-and on the world stage-is growing stronger, many say, given its nuclear ambitions and its use of proxies in Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen, most recently disrupting shipping in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal. Its regional dominance is expanding, but is it also emerging as a global threat as it aligns with other authoritarian regimes? In Open to Debate’s Unresolved format and in partnership with the Council on Foreign Relations, National Security Council and State Department veterans will debate Biden’s Iran diplomacy, the country's use of proxies in the Middle East, its nuclear ambitions, and whether Iran now poses a threat to the global order.
This debate was recorded live on January 25, 2024, in Washington D.C. at the Council on Foreign Relations. @cfr
Feature Debate Topics:
Has Biden’s Iran Diplomacy Failed?
Can Israel Live with a Nuclear Iran?
Does Iran Pose a Threat to the Global Order?
Experts:
Michael Doran, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at the Hudson Institute
Barbara Slavin, Distinguished Fellow at the Stimson Center
Ray Takeyh, Senior Fellow for Middle East Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations
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When it comes to Iran keep in mind that it is one of the greatest, oldest and most influential civilizations of the human history.
@@user-yv4gg7jb2f A point missed among others is the "Woman, Life, Freedom" movement of Iranian people that again points to their culture. As for the influence of Persian civilization on the more recent ones there is a lot of information available on the internet.
Iran is currently under hostage by extremist Mullah's who survive thanks to "Western" sanctions and isolation. One of the oldest nations in the world can rebuild itself into a prosperous and thriving society but only if its society is helped to develop and openly interact with the world. Sanctions and isolation only serve to strengthen extremists. Imagine the change in Iran if its streets were flooded with foreign tourists and businesses helping foster new friendships and understandings, spreading messages of peace and hope that would strengthen the domestic society to demand internal changes and progress.
@@JamesSmith-je7vf I couldn't agree more.
The real question and debate should be on WTF is US doing so far away from home.
Exactly
you sir just won a debate you weren't even attending
it is more than 3 years you say Iran is just one week far from nuke. are you sure they really wanna have nuke?
yes everybody wants one. having one will give them near immunity. lol is that hard to understand?
Yes.
@@farsalami8605no. As an Iranian , It is clear that Iran doesn’t want any nuclear weapons and the reason is clear. they are looking for an agreement with US because both Iran and US are tired of fighting with each other. Iran doesn’t want any nuclear weapons and prefer to be a normal country like other countries instead of being a nuclear power with heavy sanctions like north korea. Of course if US refuse any negotiation with Iran , then finally Iran create the nuclear weapons. But now they are waiting for the next government in US to see what’s going on then and negotiate with them not with a weak government like Joe Biden.
Hello.
And believe that today the public opinion of the Middle East region in Arab and Islamic countries and even in Europe and the Far East has become very radical and anti-American because of vetoing and fully supporting the conditions that you know well !!!
Today it has much higher enrichment because of Trump and tearing up the nuclear deal. The leaders of the Arab countries may be in the same direction as America,
but the Arab nations are completely in the opposite direction.
And since the Iraq and Afghanistan war,
it has made IRAN realize that it needs to design political chess in the region so that it does not become like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bad political mistakes in Washington have made nobody trust America.
Neither Arab leaders are sure of America's support,
nor IRAN of America's adherence to agreements and America's words!!!
Not just three years, but according to Bibi, Iran's been close to developing nukes for three decades. 😅
Isreal demography is less than 10 million, and Iran 80 millions. In the past, Isreal had a total supremacy in technology, now Iran produces its own weapons, it gets help from China and Russia. You don't need to go to Harvard to know that Isreal will have a hard time winning against Iran without the US. We need a diversity in the US political leadership. All these people come from the same ivy league schools, they study the same things and have the same world view. They took us to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya.
Iran can not and will not fight israel. 70% of its population is pro-israel 20% is anti-government and has sympathy for palestinians.
We are dealing with common criminals with moderately advanced weapons, which can be a disaster. yes common criminals!! Btw almost all of their families reside in usa and canada, yes ( look at son of ghalibaf recently lol) . Iran is now importing new citizens to iran, just to keep them going.( People who are willing to kill, for money and power ...mostly Arabs and some afghans ).
American political establishment today is tyranny...American tree of liberty is thirsty.
Hello.
And believe that today the public opinion of the Middle East region in Arab and Islamic countries and even in Europe and the Far East has become very radical and anti-American because of vetoing and fully supporting the conditions that you know well !!!
Today it has much higher enrichment because of Trump and tearing up the nuclear deal. The leaders of the Arab countries may be in the same direction as America,
but the Arab nations are completely in the opposite direction.
And since the Iraq and Afghanistan war,
it has made IRAN realize that it needs to design political chess in the region so that it does not become like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bad political mistakes in Washington have made nobody trust America.
Neither Arab leaders are sure of America's support,
nor IRAN of America's adherence to agreements and America's words!!!
"They"? It was Bush Jr
@jackbolder5734 I don't know if you know how the US government works. Our government is influenced by corrupt organizations( tink tank, NGO, Lobby) led by corrupt experts who only defend the interest of special groups. The regular Americans dont have any voice in Washington. They are bombarded with propaganda 24/7 through mainstream media owned by billionaires, making them vote against their own interests. Who in his right mind can believe that democracy can survive in such a social, cultural, and wealth inequality environment such as the US society? How can a US citizen with 50000 income have the same voice as another citizen will 1 billions? The billionaires have lobbyists, and the ordinary Americans have none. These people on the panel advocating for more intervention in the world are part of these organizations. We have trillion dollars debts and 1000s of wound soldiers whose welfare will continue to dig our national debts for years to come, infracstruture issue, obesity and mental health crises. Still, we have experts who think that fighting more wars and financing other countries' wars is the way to go.
Iran has seen so many superpowers in his 1000 years old and rich civilisations , which broke down and new ones raised, and knows how clever to neutralise and antagonise them.
Actually oldest dynasty was 8000 years old from Kerman the same city which got attacked by ISIS, and 2583 years of written history of our earliest known Iranian Empire.
I wonder how long the 2 men on the panel served in the military? How many wars have they fought? And how many disable American soldiers from the past wars the US fought have they met?
Strange you say this considering that Ray wasn't hawkish at all.
@beback_ I think that it should be mandatory for any politician who want to be a senator, house representatives, or president to meet at least 100 disable veterans and their families to understand the consequences of their decisions. America was better off when it was led by presidents who served and fought wars. We now have an elite who comes from these Ivy League universities and who doesn't understand reality. The consequences of the war in the Middle East are trillions of dollars spent, 1000s of Americans killed, and 1000s of other wounded that we will continue to support for the years to come, increasing our national debts. We didn't get any strategic gain there. The same people are advocating for a conflict against Iran and the houthis. None of these people can tell us what the US gains fighting this wars. The Chineses don't even have to do anything. They just have to let us waste our human and hardware resources in the Middle East.
Iran is supplying arms to Russia.
Iran is assisting the Houthis
Iran is assisting Hamas
Iran is arming and assisting in Lebanon.
Iran is taking a strong influence in Iraq.
At what point are we not going to take them serious.
Iran sees itself as a defender of the Middle East. They freed Iraq, Syria, and Yemen from western aggression. These Arab leaders are nothing besides puppet governments, and if not for Iran, the whole Middle East would have been colonised by the US and its allies. Stop the attacks,apartheid behaviour, occupation of the West Bank, and colonialism attitude so Iran feels safe and secure, and stop whatever they are doing. They've been under existential threat for 45 years.
is it your free speech to censor comment after milliseconds they are posted?then you blame iran?
The moderator keeps cutting Barbara because she is talking Sense
He's just a sexist 🐷🐖🐽
We have pressured Iran for the last 45 years in every way possible. Even Russia and China were in our camp against them , they had no choice but to dig deep and now they are benefiting from their struggle and not dependent on super powers . It would have been a different story had we played nice to them . The nuke deal is a good example of what I’m talking about and even today there are those who think it was the right thing to get of the deal which has proven to be the biggest blunder of US policy towards Iran.
Hello.
And believe that today the public opinion of the Middle East region in Arab and Islamic countries and even in Europe and the Far East has become very radical and anti-American because of vetoing and fully supporting the conditions that you know well !!!
Today it has much higher enrichment because of Trump and tearing up the nuclear deal. The leaders of the Arab countries may be in the same direction as America,
but the Arab nations are completely in the opposite direction.
And since the Iraq and Afghanistan war,
it has made IRAN realize that it needs to design political chess in the region so that it does not become like Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bad political mistakes in Washington have made nobody trust America.
Neither Arab leaders are sure of America's support,
nor IRAN of America's adherence to agreements and America's words!!!
How killings of Palestinians is “pure defensive “? American Jews have participated in killings of Palestinians therefore America is as much responsible as the Israelis. Otherwise America shouldn’t have allow American Jews go and participate in the fight and killing in Palestine.
Barbara Slavin is the american journalist I have ever seen approach this rationally
barbara has the dumbest ideas. She has no idea about the structure of iranian government or the iranian population and their problems
MR free speech open debate !!!where is my comment?
Thank you to Mr. Doran for his wonderful & clear assessment.
If Iran calls itself the leader of the Axis of Resistance surely we have to take note
When Western nations were living in the stone age, Iran was making scientific progress!
If you have ever lived in the ME you know how naive Barbara is
She sounded very clear headed to me. The first unhinged dude is a cartoonish warmonger.
That woman is a genius! The only one on the stage who’d any common sense.
She appears intelligent on facts, but ignorant on what people do with power.
@@yehonasonmeegan
It's an age old problem for humanity.
She is rote in other views, but military deterent is important, not boots on the ground like all america always does, delpmatic talks it won't change their motors in life
Please look into the Iranian genocide that caused by the British in 1917 - 1919, resulting one half of the population of 20 millions starved to their death.
eurocentric attitude toword Iran. what about the opinion of the rest of the world, I think it would be quite different, ti be honest.
Good debate!
Even though the USA is said to be the only country that used nuclear weapons and used it in a non-nuclear country...
Why isn't there at least an Iranian-American in this debate?
There is, Ray Takyeh is Iranian American.
It's great that this time they brought on someone of Iranian descenet to bring in some insight into the country.
Ray Takeyh doesn't identify as Iranian. He considers himself 100% American. 😊
#AndIQuote
If you forget your history you tend to repeat it.
where is my comment?
YT ❤s to censor and delete. This is the updated YT algorithm.
Enjoy! 😅
Barbara Slavin appeared to be very impartial and thus a great contributor to the debate .
well there are some of these conversation in Tehran too, FYI
I ask American
What iran did to you (after embassy which iran paid a heavy price..) that for a more than 40 years you want to fight iran..??
If they got a force in other countries, just ask yourself why iran did that..?
I remember they showed many times their hand to America but you bite the finger..!
Just think what would happened if American stayed in a iran nuclear deal??
I am sure both embassy get open and two country could solved many problems...
What a waste of opportunity.. 🤦♂️😔
Barbara was great on this debate big respect
I don't understand what gave us the right to have nuclear weapons. Iran refused
Iran will have nothing against Israel once there is peace among Israelis and Palestinians.
Is Iraq and Syria prosperous states? Is Europe in a better place than before? These are all the US doing. Iran has built the best alliance at least.
Not even detouring works Iran. Be its friend. Talk to them with respect and understanding. That’s it. It works for Iranians.
Could you spell out the domestic constraints in Iran, and the evidence to support it.
The question is why US don’t use the same policy, that Iran use in the region. Use Iran internal weakness which is people against the regime.
Omg...
The guy on the left (doran) made a so many lies that I can't count...!!!
I think he belive as his master always doing
Say the lies repeatedly and make it even big then some people going to belive it.... 😉😂
But people in the world are
Woke up and so difficult to fell for your lies anymore, from now everday in ever event in any place you have to answer to the world...! 💪
Im loving this
The guy talking bulshit as an Iranian Arab I'm telling you we love American as we love any other human beings in the world. And free Palestine
Depressurize - release the pressure of the gas inside (a pressurized vehicle or container).
Shallow!
If it is driven from the USA, people have the wisdom to protect them, but Iran does not have that wisdom
Give the naive games not guns.
What do you include in the Global Order?
Wouldn’t be true to say that what the US has done since the last 40 years “put the genie back in the bottle “. The genie that they themselves let out and supported.
Embarrassing
The last breath are left for Israel but thanks Mr. Doran that you still talking big. Iran will be a nuclear nation whether you or the Us likes or not.
You're delusional just like the Mullahs.
USA is a sovereign country and Iran is also an independent country, so what is the difference?
Slavin seems to quite dislike Israel and either downplays or is comfortable with death and existential threat to Israel and its citizens.
Why should she have to like Israel more than Iran? Why is the average Israeli more worthy or likeable (in your opinion) than the average Iranian? 🤔
Lets roll out Persian games like checkers.
She’s a spy
This woman doesn't know anything such a shame
Doran pulling out the cannon
Another Irak story. Is the war with Iran is being cooked? If yes, how the outcome would be this time round?
Iran has any right to have nuclear weapons especially when Israel a brutal regime against humanity, is next to Iran and is it is a threat to Iran and all countries in the region.
No
Hamas ceasefire you mean?
Doran is the most stupid with no clue.
You need to see Iran is nobel
Big words... empty in substance. Sorry, kids are smarter.
Always find a way to bash Trump.
Iran should be considered as regional power rather global power.
6000Palestian civilians were killed by Isreal from 2008 until October 6 2023.
#AndIQuote
Offensive dominate regime.
😢 i’m sorry, No matter how many times you’ve been in there, but you still don’t know what what are you’re dealing with you, don’t know the Mola as much as I know
In the event of Iran becoming nuclear, it will act in the same way that Russia does in Europe and the Balkans, or perhaps it's better to say as North Korea does in East Asia, where every day one must expect a new threat. The Iranian government has not yet fully armed itself with ballistic missile technology and drones, and has targeted all the surrounding countries as well as the interests of America and Israel. Only during Soleimani's time, more than 600 missiles were fired at Israel, the consequences of which, in the absence of effective Iron Dome performance, are imaginable. Now, imagine if such a government, which adheres to nothing but its dominance and permanence and shows no mercy even to the 85% majority of its people who oppose this regime, were to arm itself with more powerful weapons. It would certainly kill several people instead of just three, and then at a potential negotiation table, which people like Barbara hope for and which the American Democratic and left parties support this line of thought, it would make demands from the West that are practically impossible. Given that current leaders benefit from modeling Putin and the model of the Communist Party in China and South Korea, and are constantly trying to move leftward and close the country more tightly, therefore, due to a lack of correct psychological and ideological understanding of the Iranian regime, this has led to errors in analysis, especially among the American left (unless what they say is different from what they truly believe and these claims are only made to persuade public opinion). If the current superpower is truly seeking to solve the current problem in the Middle East, the best choice is the rise of a government leaning towards the West and creating an influential ally in the region that, instead of causing instability throughout the area, would itself contribute to stability and the preservation of American hegemony, as was the successful experience during the Shah's time. However, this government must be fully under the supervision of Western advisors in the initial stages to lay down and teach the basics of democracy or at least social democracy, so that first the society's elites and then independent organizations and institutes can be established and trained. Iran is very different from Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. Despite the government's efforts, the Iranian public has a positive view of the West and America and is even a better ally for Israel than America. By removing Iran from the orbit of totalitarian and politically communist-aligned governments, the following achievements are obtained:
- Stability in the Persian Gulf oil sector and more opportunity for the replacement of shale oil until it becomes cost-effective
- Preserving the Middle East as an energy supplier to China and preventing its decline before the infrastructure for production in America is prepared, aiding in the control of market instability and supply chain for goods, and helping to control short-term inflation in the West
- Preserving the security of Israel and preventing insecurity and securing the interests of the Jewish lobby
- Preserving the energy transportation corridor (Strait of Hormuz) and controlling it as a lever for controlling China by America
- Given the suitable demography for the next decade, some industries have the potential to be transferred to Iran
- Preventing the connection and formation of the Silk Road and circumventing the strategic sphere of America
- Preventing a crisis in the Middle East and controlling the flow of Afghan, Syrian, and Iraqi refugees to the West and preventing organized and state-run human and drug trafficking
- Although regime change is not easy, with the current potential of the Iranian people and the deep incompetence and corruption of the government in managing it, it may be achievable with a bit of wisdom and less cost than a day or two of bombing in Yemen or Iraq, and America's experience in this matter is entirely feasible, and now is the time to decide. The worst-case scenario for the region is inaction, neither war nor peace, which even if there is complete peace with the government, the government will collapse within less than a year by the people, but then there will be severe chaos and disorder.
You'll just need to find the right Iranian who can replicate what Ahmad Chalabi did for the Bushies in Iraq, back in 2002-2003. You're likely to find him or her living as an exilee in Albania. 😮
Why not its false country israel
As an Iranian living in Iran let me say i whole heartily agree with Mr Duran on Iranian aspersions, vision and goals, he is spot on for the exception of popularity of the revolution, however i must also say that Iranian positions, aspersions and goals are what they are because of people like him and policies created to destabilize, limit and contain Iran. So yes he understands the situation very well and also his policies are the cause.
Thank you Duran and co.
Are you representative of Iranians? have you talked to them one by one? Who knows? maybe you're a kurd separatist or from another terroristic organizations.
@@Zoro-hn1jv very intelligent reply??did you even read or understood what i said?? Did i claim to be representative of anyone??
Never mind time wasted.
من یک ایرانی ترک هستم و ما مردم ایران با حکومت مشکل داریم ولی وطنمان را دوست داریم و مخالف حمله نظامی هستیم.
۴۵ سال فشار اقتصادی و تحریم همه چیز فقط ما مردم را آزار داد و حکومت و آقازاده های انگل در کانادا و اروپا لذت میبرند!!!
اگر کسی بخواهد به ایران حمله کند ما از وطنمان دفاع خواهیم کرد و هرچه لازم باشد برای وطنمان انجام خواهیم داد.
و مزدوران تجزیه طلب را هم جواب مناسب خواهیم داد.
پدر من از اردبیل و مادرم از کرمان و خودم فرزند ایران هستم.
ما با حکومت مشکل داریم ولی تسلیم قلدری و زورگویی نخواهیم شد.
برای جنگ طلبان ذوق نکن چون الان ۴۵ سال از این حرفها میزنند و وقتی از ژنرال هایشان میپرسند میفهمند که جنگ با ایران برایشان جقدر فاجعه بهر خواهد بود!!!
پدر من در زمان جنگ کنار شهید باکری بود و من پسرش در دفاع از وطنم خواهم ایستاد!!!
@@kamranaldavood9249
You sound very unhinged and dangerous. It's highly doubtful that you live inside Iran. You probably live in Albania and you know what I mean.
@@paulheydarian1281 wgat an idiot you are thst you did not understand the sarcasm used in the conversation, idiot
Apac. 😂😂😂 = White house
Barbara is really embarrassing and drags the standard of debate to impossible depths
Admit it Yoel, you've got a massive crush on her. 😎 I hear wedding bells followed by the cacophony of a Klezmer Band. 😅
The 2 man r warmonger
U meen American threats
Barbara is the only one with any sense on this panel. The US needs to stop being stupid about Iran and start cooperation with Iran. Iran is already a power in the Middle East. They need to treat Iran with the respect it deserves. The same that Russia demands.
respect for a government which uses rape as deterrence? Shooting girls in the eye? kidnapping corpses of the young kids they have killed, and take ransom from their families? A government which openly uses kidnapping of people for money? Yes they announce it on tv and they do it lol
PERSIAN ARE NO DOMINATED, THE SUPREM LEADER IS AZARI AND SO MANY OTHERS ARE NOT PERSIAN IN HIGHER POSTIONS.
This lady is totally disregardinng people of Iran.
Israel has nuclear weapons, Iran has every right to defend themselves from Israel and America.
Barbara’s repeated disrespectful interruptions and regular sighs of derision makes me feel very doubtful about the quality of her intellectual considerations.
And you think that Duran is an intellectual?? Every prediction, solution, strategy he has made for the last 20 years have fallen apart.
I am a complete newcomer to all these three individuals and their personal history's which is why the respect they afford each other is relevant to my consideration of them. Maybe old fashioned of me but not enough respect given to differing opinions in the world today!! @@kamranaldavood9249
@kamranaldavood9249 I had never come across any of these individuals before and do not know their personal history or ideas which is why it was relevant to me to observe the manner in which they respected each other in this debate. Having respect for different opinions and hearing them out respectfully is too uncommon these days but more importantly a mutual respect and attempt at understanding differences is relevant to conflict resolution. How was Barbara reflecting the very Opinions she was putting forward? The discrepancy between her voiced opinion and her personal behaviour spoke volumes, she was very intolerant rather than standing confident in her own assertions she was compelled to talk over, interrupt and deride an oppositional view. Have no idea even who Duran is but it is always good to hear a spectrum of viewpoints from which to help form ones own. Best wishes to you.
@@elisegillardallen1983 Thank you for your reply, these guys all three have been in various think tanks for many years and have worked across administrations, however if i had to label them in laymans terms, the two gentlemen are more Republican and Barbara more Democrat oriented. As an Iranian living in Iran let me assure you i find Barbara much more dangerous, however their main aim is one and the same, which is western domination of middle East. Kind regards an Iranian brother.
@@kamranaldavood9249
Do you label everyone you disagree with as *dangerous* ? You sound like one of those anti-regime hacktivists who resides in a camp in Albania.
‘Non-partisan’ 😅😅😅😅😅😅
This entire panel is made up of warmongers. How is this a debate? What a joke.
The entire country is warmonger.
Pakistan and these gulf countries treat women,especially Bardada like with special care ,so that they give voice to their interest ,Robin Raphael, Christi ,Barbara ,all are same birds
If it is driven from the USA, people have the wisdom to protect them, but Iran does not have that wisdom