Painting Better Looking Stone - Hobby Cheating 291
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2021
- In this Hobby Cheating Video, I take you through my methods for making stone more realistic. Nature is wonderful, full of life and color, and we can bring that things even as simple as a big pile of stones. Hope you enjoy.
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As a terrain builder, I get so excited when I'm asked to do interesting geology...except when I'd ask what colors they want in their stone, and I'm told, "Oh, just standard grey." Now I ask, "What kind of vibe are you going for?" instead.
Geologist-painter seal of approval on this question.
Very true most of the so called terrrain experts on CZcams have not seen anything outside of the city.
That's a great follow up question. :)
As a person with a degree in geology, I approve.
Awesome, good endorsement right there. :)
When I was driving in France in the southern alps I was driving through a canyon and suddenly came upon a beautiful red mountain. It was amazing to see this completely red rock. It was a few miles of red rock mountains....
That's exactly what I am talking about. :)
@@VinceVenturella Here's an idea... go to google maps and look up Le Rubi France. Look at the satellite view and you should see the patch of red mountains from the satellite view. Then Then look for route D28 at the southern border between the red patch and the normal grey mountains and goto the street view on D28.... follow it north as you enter the red mountain area and you'll the incredible transition from grey rock mountains to red rock mountains. Keep going and you can look down at the red rock in the stream at the bottom of the canyon
Oh, and you can see it also on youtube - look for Les gorges du Cians
oh here's one which includes aerial views of the gorge. czcams.com/video/l7mEp-em3tw/video.html
Another video full of knowledge not even 12 hours after the incredible interview with Matt Dipietro. You're a machine Vince, thank you so much for your work!
(Also, sorry for the out-of-place mom advice, but
painting or doing any repetitive movements when they cause pain is a straight road to get chronic issues or injuries, myself I pushed through when I shouldn't have and I really regret it. I hope your arm is better, take care!)
No, I apprecaite it, I did take it easy, though that's very hard. ;)
I was pleasantly surprised when I first saw a Gilmore Girls sticker on your workspace, now a Space Ghost: Coast to Coast opening! Also, thanks for all the all the amazing videos on painting. You're amazingly helpful.
Always glad when people catch the references. :)
My girlfriend says this opened her eyes to painting mini nature. I'm impressed but not surprised, I always instinctively came to see your hobby cheats. Now we plan on getting a range of pigment powders from our local shop, asap. Thanks Vince!
That is awesome!
I never thought about shading/highlighting tufts... great tips and as always, great video! keep up the good work!
Glad it was helpful!
As someone who has a solid granite boulder that is over 5 foot tall exposed above ground I can say that you a completely correct about most people are doing rock terrain inaccurately. On the one side of that boulder is a recess about a foot off the ground, but dirt collects there and grasses an weeds will grow there. Heck I've seen plants grow in less than half an inch of dirt on that boulder. The blue-green's of where lichens have grown in the past. The almost neon green of new moss and lichen on it, when the rare week long rainstorm hit southern California.
It looks different, yet the same in summer time in the high temperatures and low humidity.
If you can visit the same natural areas repeatedly during the year, please people go out and do so! Those areas will change from Spring to Summer to Fall to Winter. Heck just this week I had rain in the 40's to 50's on Monday of this week and by Friday we reached a record high of 94°. Have fun exploring the world and use what you see in your building and painting!
Awesome and yes, the natural world is where you should always start from. :)
Shading and highlighting tufts makes so much sense! It looks great.
Happy to help. :)
I often think, when I look at the vivid pink rocks we have here, that if I put those in a diorama, no one would believe it was based on real rocks. Fantastic video Vince. Just a few little techniques you have shown here can make a monstrous improvement on a base.
Happy to help as always. :)
You. Rock. Vince.
;)
Using these sort of techniques is meditation pure. Great vid, thx Vince 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Not sure what your source was for that bright green grass, but I'd recommend you look at Woodland Scenics line of model railroad / diorama scenery materials. The bright green stuff you used reminds me of the dyed sawdust we suffered with on our layouts back in 70s and 80s. (And many decades earlier). Today's stuff is far more realistic right out of the packaging.
Oh yes, it is that old stuff, I like it for the texture of the moss, as I generally paint it anyway, the color doesn't matter too much, but I will look into it. :)
*Watches until **4:49** or so*
But, Vince! I'm from Ireland! Are you saying I can go nuts with my greens? Vince: Well, not what I was -
Me: Thanks a million, lad!
All your rocks are gonna end up being green Irish marble 😆
Oh no, that's exactly what iI was saying. :)
@@VinceVenturella In all seriousness, our rocks have a perma sheen of green underneath them all, and then there's the white & yellow splotches of lichen... Brilliant video, thanks again for the free master class!
Okay so this is both great and.... missing something. I say this because I am a mini painter and a geologist! Rocks are my jam - now trained like 3 painting groups online to be the go-to person about rocks!
1) You are totally right that the boring gray-wash-drybrush isn't enough. That *might* cut it for slate. That's about it.
2) You are right about considering the vegetation and the weathering.
3).... not all rocks are the same, and it isn't just in color. You should start your approach with considering what type of place your scene is in, and finding the appropriate color scheme and texture scheme. The Flatirons of Colorado are very red, but the lava fields of Hawaii are black. There are green, pink, beige, and white sand beaches! Some rocks have layers that are broad enough to scale down for miniatures.
4) If you like going outside and digging, you can get some cute mineral pieces for use in basing that are effectively worthless outside of enjoyment of collection.
You have awesome advice for painting these rocks, but I think you can do a sequel that's better. Wanna talk about painting rocks to be more fun? Message me. Can get you some tips on specific rock types and settings, and working that into paint :)
All good notes and well said. I am not sure how much I can do on rocks, but yes, you are dead on. :)
Marble and gneiss would be good to try! A lot of people painting historical columns ask about marble. I've done it with manual brushing, and some have used airbrush tricks. Gneiss has pretty multi-color layers, like hot fudge mixing with vanilla ice cream - at a long distance it looks grey often, but a few feet away is obviously patterned.
Thanks for all your videos! You have saved me alot of money on masterclasses!
Happy to help!
Great guide Vince
Hey vince! Love your videos, especially your bases, could you do a video on a sandy beach base with wave effects? Thanks for all your advice on the hobby
I do want to tackle a beach base at some point. :)
Looks just like the real thing, good job!
Thank you, always happy to help. :)
Effective, quick, idiot-proof - my kind of tutorial! I'm going to base my new unit with this technique, thanks a lot Vince!
Always happy to help. :)
Love the simple techniques. Really makes a difference. Wouldn’t have minded if the speed was a bit slower so I could see the techniques a little better. But absolutely helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Nice vid Vince. Really like that wash and paint technique you use on your tufts and flocks. I’m gunna try this. Great interview yesterday. Hope your arm is better soon so we can see some good detailed work comin outa your hobby hole. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it
Wonderful timing as always! I was about to stand up and walk downstairs to paint some rocks :D (and yes, they're already painted like your "this just is not how rocks look like" example...)
Wonderful!
You know it's going to be good advice when Vince gets the makeup brushes out!
Always my favorite tool. :)
I like how the tip is actually to pay attention to the surroundings of the stone as well. Makes total sense, but we tend to forget it when the base is such a finite space, while nature is not.
Absolutely right.
Love me some Brak, and a time lapse to boot! Very nice video, succinct and full of great advice. Also sorry to hear about your arm, hopefully it's better by now.
Glad you enjoyed it
You Rock Vince! Yea, I said it. Thanks for keepin it real!!!
I apprecaite that. :)
Well done Vince, you make rocks interesting again.
That's the goal. :)
this base looks awesome, Vince
Thank you, happy to help. :)
Amazing. I’d love to see you’re take on blood bowl bases!
Hmmm...a little pitch field, that could be interesting. :)
Great technique Vince
Thank you, glad to help. :)
Very nice. Would like to see something similar for wood. Take care!
I do have some past videos on wood, I've touched on it a few times in the playlist.
Kujo was the first person I ever saw do the green/red variation in rocks. Color variation in rocks is wonderful!
100% agree.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thank you 👍
Love it 👍
My go to recipe for easy/quick rocky base was usual dark grey, followed by drybrush in warm off white/beige... Now, while I'm still a beginner, thanks to your videos I'm always following with 4 washes: Sepia, Agrax, Nuln and Reiklnd. Picking random rock with different color. Effect is impressive improvement for so simple approach. Now, thanks to this vid, I'm thinking about adding Biel-Tan Green to the mix, to replicate the moss.
Sounds great! You're on the right track. :)
Those are beautiful sexy rocks. I want to caress them. Is that weird... Well anyway, as another alternative, albeit very different from this, model railroaders like to use something called a leopard spotting technique. Plenty of videos out there on it. Not sure how appropriate it is for this scale, wargaming and the like, and it's a whole other aesthetic, they would go for more pure realism and spotting works for that. I like it because it's messily random, doesn't require precision really, though you can be as precise as you want, uses less paint because it's all just different washes, but must point out that it works better on stuff like plaster due to the nature of it absorbing pigment rather immediately so you don't have to worry about washes combining and muddying it up. And I skip drybrushing by dabbing high points with paper towels.
Thank you for the video, any thoughts on how to add the "life" detail but keep the terrain piece climate Agnostic? I have a few playing mats but limited room for terrain so I try to focus on making pieces that works for both Frozen plains and lush forests when possible.
Well, my honest answer is I never woory too much about playmats, bases will always be different and that's okay. Miniatures spend .01% of their total life on a battle mat. That being said, making it a sort of temperate middle environment, greens and browns are pretty good as a neutral tone.
I almost never use grays when painting rocks except to reduce saturation. I like iron oxide pigments like yellow ochre, umbers and siennas, and iron oxide red as my dominant colors, often using most or all of them on a single rock. Follow that with some purples or greens or reds or whatever. Then I'll drybrush with tans or grays to add texture, blend bits together, and reduce saturation contrast.
There are definitely gray rocks, but at least around here (western US), they're much less common than many other hues.
Totally agreed, and the key with even the grey rocks, is that they will have a lot of colors present, dirt, debris, moss, flowers, whatever - nature loves color. :)
Another awesome video!
Have some plasticard stone sheets that needs painting, so guess I'll have to buy some more pigments. :D
Quite new to using pigments and saw you using Agrax to lock it down. Does it matter which, well not paint, but medium used to lock the pigment in place or does "any" acrylic paint/medium work? Have been using varnish lately.
Any kind of Acrylic medium based thing will work.
Quick question: when you run varnish through your airbrush do you do anything different to clean it than when airbrushing with acrylics? I've only used rattle cans for varnish thus far, but I'd like to start using my airbrush for it.
I second this. Still very new to airbrushing and I've been thinning my AK Interactive Matt Varnish down with a bit of Vallejo Flow Improver.
I don't seem to have the consistency or pressure down right though, as I was getting spurting, namely when the air was pressed but the trigger not pulled back which suggests the nozzle was getting a bit clogged?
So I use a few drops of thinner, and when I clean it, I use a few drops of isopropyl alcohol, then my normal water cleaning. :)
I hope your arm is doing well.
Great advice as always.
All good :)
After Christmas at Walmart is a great place and time to get cheap cheap pigments (if you get the matte stuff without shimmer) and brushes.
What do they call them, and where?
@@MrSJPowell I’ve just looked in the seasonal gifts section. They’re usually kits of brushes &/or makeup palettes on that section. You have to look at the palettes to see which ones are matte, though occasionally they’re labeled as such.
Nice, good tip.
Hey Vince, sorry to hear you were injured! I hope you repair that arm soon.
We're getting there. :)
Question would you use the same technique, if lets say you wanted to paint a stone door or stonepillar ala what was often shown in movies and books such as The Hobbit, LotR and the old Warhammer Fantasy that Dwarfs would often do?
I'm not Vince, but I'd sure give the technique a whirl for anything from Tolkien's world!
100%
Not gonna lie, definitely guilty of doing the whole rock/stone with a few dry brush shades of gray, a nuln and agrax wash, and tyrant skull to highlight 😂
I guess at least I've been having a go and doing random patches of Death Guard Green and brown glazes to try and give it "some" colour variation but I definitely could be doing a lot more.
Perhaps getting my hands on some pigments would be a good start.
THey are a great tool to have around. :)
Wow, this is 1000%fold improvement over the standard drybrush+wash&forget rocks. What pigments (brand etc.) did you use?
A mix of a few, Secret Weapon and Vallejo mainly.
Yes!!! Space Ghost CTC! "Muna mana! Doot-doo de doo-doo!"
I thought people would enjoy that. :)
Good stuff 👍🇸🇪
Thanks 👍
Amazing timing, I just picked up some printed rocks to paint for my FLGS. Do you have a video that covers those first basic steps? I find myself struggling to start with the rock-painting.
EDIT: Also where do you get the pigments like that?
Pigments are available from most hobby stores (Ammo, AK, Abtelung, Vallejo - lots of pigments around), as to stone, sure, here you go - czcams.com/video/j6qFi5CUjwE/video.html
You are the king of miniature painting i love your Works, when do you begin to Play blood Bowl, there is so funny minuturs in thats game.
Blood Bowl has never been a thing I'm interested in, but someone mentioned a pitch video for those bases, that would be fun. :)
Does the type of PVA glue that you use for basing matter? If so, what would you recommend using?
Any white glue will do, I just use elmers or something similar.
I googled images of moss on stone and found that moss does grow on top of the stone more often than not and it can be very bright also. I am not saying that yours isn't realistic in any way, but I just want to add that these things definitely are a thing.
Well, I suppose it grows anywhere they aren't rolling. ;)
Vince, thanks a lot as always mate. But could you please add link/ description on what is that thing you actually painting? Its not usually quite obvious what is this and where to get that. =)
This is actually a terrain piece from a board game, it was an unusal project. :)
Hi! Great vid, as always. One thing: when you mention “here is a picture of rocks”, nothing appears. Maybe the same issue you had when trying to share links?
Strange, it had the overlay when I viewed it, I will check on it. :)
WOW! Where did you get that cool terrain peace from? :)
It's actually from a board game. :) - Dice Miner.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks for you reply! It looks really good the way you colorized it! :)
Hi Vince, When I am doing a zenithal with my airgun I get this speckling on the model? Like small dots of white at the edges of the zenithal. Do you have any tips on making it smoother? I am using Model Air White.
Its generally something that's always happening, you just can't normally see it because it's not white on black and very translucent. So one of the things you can do is use a more liduidy white (something like white ink). Add a little more thinner and turn the PSI up, that will atomize the paint more. :)
@@VinceVenturella Perfect, Thanks Vince.
Nice rocks
Thanks! ;)
1:21 looks like Alex Jones got ahold of it.
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I came for the stone, but stayed for the Brak.
As we all should. :)
I am wandering why we hobbyists tend to not use real stone, but use other stuff instead. Is a scale thing, a weight thing or something else I haven't considered?
Weight, scale, lots of reasons. Now that said, I have used small real stone on bases, that's fine, but you still have to paint it. Anything not painted will stand out like a sore thumb.
any recommended brushes for working with oils? i've been useing cheap synthetic brushes and im starting to hate life.
My best advice when you're working with the fine detail with oils, a cheaper set of sable hair brushes can be good for the cause. I use synthetics for most oil work, but a good few sables that get sacrificed to the oil gods can be valuable.
Question, I got into painting minis in September and I spent a boat load of cash on significant character models, however I have not painted one of them, I’m just been painting rank and file models in hopes to get better before I paint the character models. Is this dumb? Should I just jump into minis I like? Or is the deliberate practice the way to go?
I would say yes and no. I used to and still do the mainly the same when painting unit: I always start with rank and file then work my way up to the most complicated minis.
But now I do both, and once I am in the middle and getting bored, I will start to do one hero which will be a second project. And then I do back a forth. Keeps the interest up.
Deliberate practice I always better but keep motivation high is important too or you risk to speed up and mess the rank and file to get to the interesting models
Here is my honest answer, you will learn best by doing. No matter what you paint, you will grow, but the key is deliberate practice in something. Character models can be great practice. THe key is this hobby is a long haul, there is always more miniatures, there will always be more characters and there will always be more growth. You will never get to a point where you hit some magical level. If you want a year, paint them and then look at them a year later, you will think - jeez, I am so much better now. That is true no matter when you choose that year to be. It happens to me still all the time. So paint what you are passionate about. :)
I know this might sound silly but I have a little bit of a hard time applying shade to tufts. Doesn't cover well, gets kinda clogged up ruining the look of the tuft. Maybe I'm just a dumb dumb, but is there a trick to it?
Bad synthetic brush, shove it down in there a few times, drag it around the edges of the base of the tuft. You really want to shove it down in there. :)
@@VinceVenturella Alright, I'll give it another try. Thanks Vince! You're the man.
As a near mine geologist, I approve this message
That's the endorsement I am looking for. :)
You got a copy of Dice Miner! Cool. How is it?
Well, I didn't really get a chance to play it, had to paint and return it for the charity giveaway. :) - BUt the production of the box and components was top shelf.
👍🏻👍🏻
:)
What's up with the Subliminal "Eye" pictures around 1:30?
Right around the time you say "Depending on where you are."
Is this normal?
Aside from that... cool video
It's just the sticker I use to center my camera, it's a sticker for Mars Investigations from Veronica Mars. :)
Who said the stones are boring ?
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the miniatures types I meant not the band.
The Stone Roses? No, they're great. :)
Umm sir.. What's the best color to get for a beginner?
Not sure I understand what you mean, do you mean paint set?
@@VinceVenturella i mean.. As a beginner i'm not really sure about what colour i should get. Should i get primary colour first, or should i get yellow, purple etc.. Maybe like what's the best colour to invest on?
@@KelvinEP24 You'll want to cover all the bases honestly, I good starter set from Vallejo is likely your best bet, it will have the primary and supplementary colors you need to get going.
@@VinceVenturella hmm game colour sir? Sadly I can't find it in my country.. The most available paints are from GW..
Any idea what colours should i get first?
@@VinceVenturella and for pressing budget of course 🤭
SGCTC was the best.
:)
???? Rocks have many looks...LOL!!!! So yes some rocks look like the first one, it depends on what look you are going for...... smh.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
but vince if u like the look of pure grey stones, why its wrong then? i thought there is no wrong when it comes to mini painting. i mean it can be a stylistic devices to just paint it in greys. dont get me wrong yours look great and far more realistic and as u sayed stones are not pure grey in nature
THis is always one of those tricky things. Art is subjective of course, but at the same time, there is a way we interact with things we see that resonate, and hue is one of those things. Grey is effectively nothing in a piece of art. It can have a use, desaturating, setting a more sad mood, making things seem empty. So my honest answer is, the piece will be more impactful and resonate more if you use hues and colors, but it's not required.
Gamers not getting out - nature is often very green.. but it looks unnatural here.
Yep, gotta get those green and life tones in.
Your arm? What happend? Gardening?
No idea, something nerve related. It's getting better every day. :)
@@VinceVenturella Ok. Do take care. There is still a lot of grey matter to be taken care of. (possibly a pun....)
This is way too time consuming.
Fair, it’s not for everyone