The Third Axis: Spear and Bow (Fi - Te) | Season 18 Cognitive Mechanics | CS Joseph
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When Fi users say I only value these ideas we are saying I only care about these ideas from these people I look up to. I only care about the value of ideas that support organic produce and a minimally processed lifestyle. I only care about people who value the same lifestyle. I let everyone know what I value and I am concrete and initiate conversations when comfortable so I am ESFP. I am extremely sensitive so I know how I feel at all times when I am comfortable.
I am an introverted intuitive person as well because my goal is to minimize ideas to find the solution. I love solving mysteries. It is my aspiration.
I am depressed a lot so I believe my shadow is introverted. I don't know how I feel about someone when depressed. I just need to be heard and held.
HEYO FELLOW ESFP 🫂
Te also selects people who have an well-informed idea about a subject, or are an expert in the subject
Te is study actualy not conducting survey. conducting survey is good only for marketing
Yep they are very good at that. My father was an ENTJ and he was an expert at literally finding people who were experts on a particular subject and he'd absorb it (outsourcing his thinking so to speak). It made him knowledgeable on a fairly diverse level of topics. Te users can be very good generalists. They might not know as much as a specialist on a particular subject but their knowledge can be broad. The issue is they can come off as experts when they still have holes in their knowledge and can be ignorant due to this. They're all about patching up problems as quickly as possible so they can move on which has both it's benefits and negatives.
@@mrod8578 You nailed it
Identifying who is an expert by credentials without verifying can become a problem though, which is often an avenue for scams.
Fi is biased if, what you value is truth, but if truth is what you value, then not. I use the latter.
Okay I wanted to know why my infp friend tells okay with being ignorant or not being accurate in a whole sense and i got the answer a deeper understanding of the processes of a high fi user. This video has been of incredible value. Now I am at peace. Now I want to know why I don't want to value other people's value as an intj or why do I think that it doesn't hold much value, mostly I'm right but when it comes to talking to explain it to somebody how do I know something, my answer is I just know. Probably it's because I know exactly what I want and how to get it.
1:09:05 "wayfarer statement" here's another one: "the guy over there looks really smart"
43:05 Ok, that one hit home and hurt.
The Psychic knowledge acquisition of Se might be Psychometry? This is from superpower wiki- the user of psychometry obtains historical memories or sensations concerning beings and objects they observe. With objects, they gain knowledge including the makers, users, and even those who have on passing used the object, and what has been done with it. With living beings or parts of the body, the user learns their general life-history but doesn't gain anything of what they were thinking or feeling.
oh, someone said it..
The thing is, High Fi-Se are individualistic because they're SP types, so we only care about what we want and what we care/value about, other general and theoretical things don't intrest us because it's only a theory, and we only care about concrete things. It's like knowing what you like/want and value and then act acordingly to gather the most amount of knowledge in these specific areas to be the most efficient in the areas you care about, while Higher Te would be gathering all the general data and acting acordingly to that, instead of acting on what they actually care and value themselve.
I know what life i want for myself, and for my family if i'll ever have one, so i base decisions of what life i want to have, i don't care about that much about ideas, that's prob more Fi-Ne user'ish.
i don't see a point in changing what life and what people i want in my life considering it won't give me the life that i want to live to begin with, i'd rather change people in my life, because the life i want for myself is more important than actual people in my life to begin with.
I do agree with cherry picking , because that's how i set standards who stays in my inner circle, and who's outside that. If i'm able to live up the things i care about, it's only natural i want a partner who's willing to live up to these expectations. You smoke? You can't eat healthy ? You're to lazy and have to many habits ? What kind of a woman would you be for my upcoming child? What example are you setting? How can i trust you to take care of my kid if you're not even able to take care of your own health first. Simple things, yet really important for me. I see people in couples who are ok with other people being like that, and that's cool, it's their life, but i'm not cool with that, because it not only includes me, but also another being who's unable to take care of himself first, so if you're going to behave like this and have all these bad habits, cool, we're just not gna be together, that's all. Having standards is important for me, and values and things Fi people care about are individual and not that general and i'm glad because of that.
It's also interesting, considering i'm Te inferrior and i always say i think instead of i feel naturally , and i also think a lot of people are stupid asw.
Your videos are always top notch tho, thanks for contributing. I remember i had a typing session with you which lead me to more content behind the paywall which led me to actually finally discovering my type and being to understand myself and others better, thank you for that.
51:00 its cool to see si recalling some of these te fi statments
Verify and make sure the idea fish you're collecting aren't actually red herrings.
Great lecture, thank you case ;)
Great lecture!!
It seems like spear and bow types are collectors. I interact with lots INFPs, ENFPs, ISFPs, and ENTJs on a daily basis and it makes a lot of sense.
The Fi hero cherry picking is really annoying sometimes. Te hero often gives me the impression of inhumanity. But I gravitate around these types a lot.
In retweeting what Chase says about his word choice when interacting with ESTP. My father in an ENTP and I often change my phrasings to make things easier for him. I also do this with my dear ISTP sister in law.
Te is only inhumane to people that believe emotions make people people but thoughts dont.
Feelings are the opposite of science and are responsible for all manner of subjective stupidity, poor judgements, and hysterical actions.
Emotional people just can't handle being held responsible for their feeling based behavior, and naturally they just get emotional when called out because they refuse to think about what they do.
@@eminemstrash2021 it seems like my poor word choice about Te hero may have triggered you a bit. I apologize and will try to rephrase it.
What I meant is that most Te heroes and parents (especially XNTJs) I interact with seem to have a very machine-like way of handling things. They have lists for everything, plan decades ahead, and often struggle with relationships. I envy their focus and organization but feel unease when they start scheduling and pooling about everything.
As an ESTP, I tend to live in the moment and react. My Ti parent is often very harsh and I am regularly accused of being inhuman as well; Since Fi trickster, people may have a more valid point on that than me when saying Te hero acts inhumanly.
I contest your take on feelings, though. They can help us achieve good judgment in many areas and actually live a better life. Weak logic and rationality can also lead to poor judgment and stupidity.
@Mauricio Peccin I've noticed that many people think Te users have relationship problems, at least according to emotional standards.
As an ENTJ dominant Te user, I don't view it that way at all. I abhor being around emotionally volatile and needy people, I find them obnoxious and incompetent. I neither want nor need relationships on that level.
Don't mistake that distaste as my suffering, I'm quite content and peaceful pursuing whatever interests me, and unlike the feeling types, I don't need to be around others to feel worth or value. That's a crutch of the feeling types, and while they're welcome to approach life on their own terms, it would do them well to recognize that nobody's tasked them with the goal of making others in their image.
They can cast accusations about being insensitive or inhumane all they want, but in the end they're really just ignorant of how others operate, and I can view that as nothing less than stupidity, because it occurs even on mbti videos where the knowledge is at their fingertips, yet they still don't appear capable of grasping the implications of the information.
I see your point. The same could be said about thinking types wanting feeling types to operate their way but this is not the matter here.
When I say I see XNTIs facing relationship problems it's not a judgement, it's people I know telling me that and suffering from that. People can live the way they prefer, i just commented what i hear.
Also, there must be a linguístical problem here. I'm not an English native speaker and in Portuguese inhuman may have another meaning. It simply means not human, not monstrous. Angels, animals, robots and the like act inhuman, serial killers actions are des - human, which is worse.
My very best friend is a female INTJ and the most intelligent person I know. I never meant do disrespect Te users here.
No disrespect taken, I'm unemotional about it.
I believe gender confusion and the usual roles of men and women has been distorted to the degree that culture believes people should be emotional (feminine) as opposed to rational (masculine).
Sure, some men are the feeling types, but 75% of those with primary emotional functions (Fi and Fe) were women.
The idea that men should be women and women should be men is a distortion and perversion of how we're made, and those pushing their own egos on others are arrogant and ignorant.
People play different roles according to how they're made, that is the correct order, anyone saying otherwise is deluded and unwise.
You got me pinned😭needed to hear this….my Fi dom gives me tunnep vision, Te broadens my sight Im seeing that now
i self typed myself as an intp, and i always have this habit to ask someone "how do u know that?" at every single informations they give me, i actually tend to say that to my dad. idk if its a Te approach, but i personally couldn't believe that someone else is smarter than me, thats y i come up w the question. but is it a typical thing for a Ti user to say? i always want to know how and where the person get the information, so that i could dismiss them if it sounds stupid to me
Context is important. There are different reasons to ask the same question
Te nemesis is on the shadow/unconscious for INTP. If you're surprised that someone else seems more knowledgeable than you (and it causes you to question your own intellectual prowess), it may help for you to lean into your shadow to learn more about what they know. Ti hero (and parent) can access Te when needed, even if it's not always preferred way of thinking. If you're an INTP, the fact that your Dad prompts you to say that often may say something about your relationship (his personality) and your likely shadow development.
What is the INFP kitty cat's name??☺️
Could we say that while the Ti is the "sword" of the truth, the Fi is the sword of the right?
(Yeah, I know in this case is rappresented by the spear, but I mean in terms of the way it works and what field of knowledge it occupies).
Are Te users more subjected by what the people thinks is true, while the Fe users are more subjected by what the people thinks is right?
Fantastic how you explain the Spear and Bow axis! Does this apply to Fi Critic also? Even tho we have Te Trickster. Or is this basically only apply to the Ego 🤔
We're vomiting so many rainbows don't we? Lol.. btw nice work..
It's not ignorant to make judgements, the only real value Te has is that it hates the open ended "harmony" of Fe, which is basically a person who never makes judgements or proper judgements because they value indecision above all else.
In the name of harmony altruistic bullshit is being sold!
@@sagaragarwal369 it makes people "feel" good about themselves while they sell their soul to the devil.
Think you're missing some dots in that jump
@Nathanael Naused gather a room of average women.
Then ask one of them to rate the others in how attractive they are from 1-10.
95% of women posed with this question will rate every girl in the room a 10.
They do this because women are required to value harmony above objectivity, it's a function of their nurturing nature. It's a good thing, at times, but it can also be a deceptive thing.
Further, most women don't make judgements based on solid beliefs or rational chains of logic. What they "think" today can change tomorrow if their feelings and moods persuade them. I woman around a very attractive man may indeed have no intention to have an affair with him, but given enough time if that man is also funny, deep, intelligent, gentle, hard working, wealthy, and caring the woman's original intentions can (and likely) may persuade her to do things she had no intent of prior.
Hard-core rationality and logic doesn't bend to what others think or feel, it weighs the information it possesses and attempts to make the most neutral judgement possible, for better or worse.
Considering 75% of all feelers (those who's primary or secondary function is Fe or Fi), then the vast majority behave this way.
It's one of the fundamental elements outlining the objective differences between men and women. Sure, some men may be feelers and some women thinkers, but proportionally they won't be even close to the majority.
Finally its here. The third Axis.😝
What program is he drawing on?
Is pro athlete a good career for infjs? I was offered to play d1 soccer but decided not to play because I didn’t want to balance soccer and school, but now I’m considering dropping out of college and trying to play pro
You can achieve whatever you're passionate about. Mbti isn't supposed to limit you. I learnt this the long way.
@@Sam-ng3of I’m not going to go straight off chases word if he responds, but I would certainly take it into account
Cristiano Ronaldo is an INFJ
@@trollingspecialist554 I always assumed he was esfj
INFJs have Se Inferior, if you think this is what you want to do, you will outperform. just gotta put in the work.
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ti child is pure irrationality and has just wrong input over and over cuz they just won't listen
See if they have any traumas or something from past which make them super paranoid and develop a wall around them. Its damn hard to crack it so I would just say leave it alone and keep your distance.
For the rest of us, you gotta give the input still. Maybe not you yourself but like in the form on books, websites the person can read themselves without someone interrupting. Basically hand out the resources and don't get mad. It creates a "you just won't listen to me" situation in our heads too. Delta quadra is good at dealing with that as they are very calm and composed people with an air of aristocracy thats cute but respectable 😂
Once an entj guy proved me wrong but he simply just laughed and didn't embarrass me but teased me about it. So eventho ashamed I felt like I could laugh at myself and it was funny.
First I'd have to remember what I heard to know what someone said. If I were to take notes to keep track of what everyone else is saying, that'd make me more beta since I'd be putting tribe over self and my head would probably explode. Some things some types are just hardly capable of. But as long as the Ti child doesn't say anything about a subject, which hasn't been verified to be a fact and stays silent besides that and realises that it's beliefs are one thing but the truth is yet an another thing and those two may not often be intertwined, in that case I think irrationality can be somewhat prevented with Ti child. But that's just my belief ;)
@@simpletomash fr forget this bozo ti child for the win
@@SykeeNot but he has a point
@@simpletomash Ti child deniers I see...No quarrels I shall just carry on looking extremely cool and handsome
Can anyone please provide some Templar sentence examples?
"OK, listen up people! Here's what we're going to do, and I don't want to hear any complaints!" ... "I just got finished with my errands, I want to check on a friend next, would you like me to pick up lunch on my way back?"
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Cant watch with subtitles
Now you can. Auto-generated cc takes time to form.
You mentioned Ni is "force of will"
If you are saying that Ni doms are forceful people then sorry but that is incorrect.
If people really believe this, then many of these people will mistake an Se dom for an Ni dom.
Se is forceful. Ni doms can't force anything to save their lives.
He meant willpower
A minor misunderstanding of his poor word choice.