Antifeminism VS FACTS
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2016
- Let's look at some studies into sexual assault and see how the smartest, most 'rational' antifeminist on the internet debunks them, shall we?
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SOURCES:
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/g...
The CSA study - the originator of the 1 in 5 claim, and also by the way funded by the same department of justice that funded the one Sargon claims is somehow more factual.
www.aau.edu/uploadedFiles/AAU...
The survey Sargon thought was the 1 in 5 study, for some reason, and also misreads
www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rs...
The survey Sargon most likely barely read at all before concluding it was facts (I assume because, for methodological reasons he doesn't understand, the resulting figures are lower than the other studies of this phenomenon)
• Vice President Biden S...
Biden's speech where he cites this statistic. It is very passionate and moving. I strongly recommend watching the whole thing, if you aren't Sargon and have the time to actually watch things. He raises several actually-existing laws that still prevent the prosecution of rapists in various states across america.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-met...
Politifact checking Biden's speech, concluding that it is consistent with other studies but has methodogical problems worth considering about how representative it is and that more study should be (and is being!) conducted.
• President Obama’s Mess...
Obama's message where he cites this statistic
• Video
Sargon's response to the 'myth'.
• Video
Garrett's response to Sargon where he also points out these problems, along with several more, and does it better than me
www.virtualmuseumiraq.cnr.it/h...
The Virtual Museum of Iraq, which directly points out that it is impossible to tell if this is actually a statue of Sargon. Yet another source that I assume passed Carl by because it's not on Wikipedia. - Hry
I used to be a true, woke gamer anti-feminist. Uh, now I’m a woman.
haha same
same
Yep now im Non-Binary and i thought those shouldn't/didn't exist
top ten cinematic plot twists!
@@gavinelliott8764 same
i always find it interesting that there is such a big emphasis on what's legally viewed as rape - not the inherent morality of whatever happened, but just what the law agrees is assault
That's because they"re taking the fact that rape is immoral as a given. It's treated like a constant in a science equation. That's why the debate is the variables of what exactly is rape.
@@BigWillyG1000 i mean that there are things that arent legally rape that i would also morally consider sexual assault or rape. the law isn't the same in all places, and it's an imperfect judge of right and wrong, is what i'm getting at, here. sorry i was unclear :/
@@BigWillyG1000 Someone hasn't seen any videos by or about Roosh V
@@ilse9744 The law is all that matters. You really want a society of vigilantism? Look at the awful attacks on men in college where they lack due process.
@@geoffreysorkin5774 Never heard of them.
I used to be one of those "feminism is cringe, hahaha boys look at me, I'm also a misogynist" type of girls when I was 15-16. So glad I grew tf out of that
It is cringe. This video is an exercise in nitpicking and nutpicking. All it really proves is that Sargon was lazy, not that feminism war right about anything.
I used to be one of those "feminism is cringe and that's why girls don't like me" type of guys when I was the same age.
God I was fucking dumb.
@@GeniusLad32 You’re still pretty dumb. Now you’re just smug about it too.
You're still like that. Nobody changes and if you think you've changed, you haven't. You're just hiding that side of you. I don't trust anyone who's ever been a bigot. I don't believe character development is real. Once a bigot always a bigot.
@@OzCroc deal with your trauma alone. Don't project it on other people
Being upset by trigger warnings is like.. being upset because your friend tells you not to go into the bar while your ex is in there.
what
You want me to “stay out” because of “radioactive waste”?! It’s my RIGHT to bask in the WARM GLOW of radiation!!
Who cares about that your ex is in the bar
@@sixgm227Man I'm so envious that all your relationships ended on good enough terms that you feel okay sharing a space with your ex while both of you are drinking.
Alt RIght Playbook: Didoing reference??? (Go watch it it's seriously so good)
Imagine being a pretty note-worthy historical figure and then some idiot 4 thousand years later absolutely demolishes your name
I mean. The actual guy was illiterate
So i just its appropite
Kinda weird knowing sargon before his transition into politics from /tg/ to /pol/ to anita and gamergate.
To anyone reading this comment from 4 thousand years in the future - you are welcome to demolish my name. I couldn't give a damn. Because I'll be dead.
@@lettuceman9439 I remember old atheist youtube. Tbh the trash taking itself out was mostly a good thing though.
I told my dad (a professor who studies the ancient Near East) about Carl-gon and he said that it was an insult to the actual Sargon of Akkad.
People who blame victims are one of many reasons why women don't talk about their sexual abuse.
and people who instantly believe victims are the reason why nobody communicates period
@@wrongtime9097 eat a vegetable and go to a library.
Amber Richards think on your own accord instead of being told what to believe
WrongTime I do and often find that women aren’t lying and that they’d lose a lot to be lying about it
WrongTime the reason people believe them most of the time is because an overwhelming amount of the time they are telling the truth, of course there are exceptions but those accused still go through a fair trial and will go free if they can provide concrete evidence
I was assaulted by my partner when I was 15. It was the first time I ever had sex and I wanted him to stop, he didn't stop. I didn't break up with him until over 2 years of abuse later because of shit like this. How could it be rape or abuse? He was my boyfriend, he had the right. I even started the act willingly! (After months of threaths of leaving me if I didn't do it and telling me he was ashamed of still being a virgin and how it was my fault).
When I left him and it all came to light, most of our mutual friends (all guys) stayed by my side, though. I still keep in touch with all of them, they were extremely supportive and made sure he couldn't harrass me or bother me in the slightest after the breakup (he tried). That was a great surprise, I realized they were great friends and it gave me back some faith in humanity.
I keep very close contact with one of them, who was assaulted by a female partner. It's rare but it does happen. He told me other men weren't very caring or supportive when it happened to him, and he was very happy to have me there to talk about it. I've always been very open about what happened to me, so I guess that helped him.
You were raped by a guy who threatened to leave you if you stopped letting him rape you??
Yeah, your boyfriend was bad. But it sounds like you're an incredibly damaged and stupid person who refused to act in your own best interest. Keep on beating that victim drum, though.
@@burningspoonful Bro I think you have a very strong case of hindsight bias and you’re victim blaming.
Thank you for sharing this. Conversations around consent are still muddy even today. There are an alarming amount of people who still think they are entitled to sex for a multitude of reasons. I am glad you have an amazing support system and that you were able to lift some of the burden out of another friend’s experience. I don’t know if you can tell how amazing that is. Wishing you nothing but the best.
Same. Except first time at 18, it only started falling under the legal definition of rape in my country a year later, too. Not that I would have taken the path, as it was my boyfriend, and I 'started'. Took me a while to fully process that weird insane conveyer-belt thought.
Happy you had friends stay by your side. It's an all-too-common experience.
I’m so sorry that was done to you🫂🫂🫂
I was in a similar situation for seven years. I am not going to repeat all the thoughts that I used to convince myself everything was fine - I am sure it was all the same. It’s easy to be coerced when the environment gives them all the resources to coerce us yet we didn’t get any resources to know how to recognise it in advance
3-5 years ago i was an edgy self-hating anti-feminist, now i’m a seventeen year old lesbian who has some goddamn self-respect
Cringe
@@hiddenqu5238 uh oh i guess i’m cringe 🤮🤮🤮 whatever will i do with myself 😱
@@westvirginiascoolestcanadian most “anti-feminists “ stuff is just hating feminists for being anti-men these unhinged people in the comments just went from one extreme to the other just don’t get into politics it’s actual trash
@@hiddenqu5238 yeah i know it’s trash that’s why i made that comment
@@westvirginiascoolestcanadian lesbian cringe
Coming back to this video after 2 years and seeing that i disliked it. Ooft i was a true rational gamer.
We love growth in this house. 😂😂😂
@Esben M Vid blocker? I use that too. And if you mean that, i got news to you: Cultivating your own internet experience after your preferences =/= Censorship. Plus nothing of value is lost in blocking that chucklefuck from the vid recs either way.
Lol same. I was a total loser.
@@matsonholmgren903 Welcome to the light.
NotGivingMy Nam glad to be here.
Trigger Warning: this video has a trigger warning. If empathy for others bothers you, maybe you should skip this video.
@@jeanmichellelaurent bud, "trigger" is a psycho-medical term. Trigger warnings are like an allergy warning, but for PTSD or anxiety.
@@jeanmichellelaurent I'm not sure I can think of a time when a medical trigger warning would be taken too far. A trigger warning is not designed to prevent a person from viewing something. It's just a warning.
@@jeanmichellelaurent well, this case isn't one such case.
@@jeanmichellelaurent This video talks about campus rape and believe it or not, such event can be traumatizing to the victim.
@@jeanmichellelaurent what a stupid take lol
the "anti-sjw" to queer pipeline is real lol
thanks for this
100 fuxking percent lmao. Used to be a megabasedchadantisjwredpillchadboy in highschool. Turns out I like men and crossdressing lol
@@christophervalencia5919same here man, same here. (I don’t crossdress, but I do agree it’s pretty cool)
@@christophervalencia5919 Congratulations on knowing yourself! It's depressing how few people ever manage to get there.
@@uu2379 you also believe in the blatant nonsense that an accusation and a conviction are the same thing. And you’re hopelessly unable to argument in favor of what you believe.
So maybe this movement didn’t help you very much at all.
@@christophervalencia5919 “I used to be this until I realize I like to suck cocks”.
That’s the message of nearly every person agreeing with this video.
Honestly reading all these comments about how this video saved people from falling for crap like this warms my heart
Me too, but I'm having a hard time understanding why so much under this specific video.
@@Jacob-zk1jy I am surprised even this holy and divine fanbase has some Loonis. I met 3 this year. You also?
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It's sad how a pathetic few have chosen to oppose moraliy, reality, logic, facts, etc in favor of feminism.
The fact that us feminists have been saying the same thing for years and years but it took a man saying it for ya'll to listen.
@@zoltancsikos5604 You should worry less about feminism and more about the skid marks you've yet to wash off your clothes, son.
I’m glad my anti-feminist phase was only 3 months when I was 11
mine was 3 years and man oh man that was tough
I just flat out don’t give a shit
I was lucky enough to never have a real hardcore anti-feminist phase. I did watch thunderf00t for a while though, so I was close. I was kinda just there for the science videos tho lol
Same, but that phase of mine happens every few months and I never fully dived into the alt-right pipeline.
@@orangehaze74 whad does your phase look like? And how do your beliefs change in and out of that phase?
As a former anti-feminist (and an active anti-feminist when this video was made), I am SMH at how dumb I was. I am also a transwoman now so... karma?
"a person cannot walk through the same river twice. For it is not the same river and not the same person"
What makes syh at your past as an anti-feminist?
It's genuinely impressive how many ex-anti SJWs turn out to be trans or GNC down the line, i know at least 7 people with that exact same backstory (8 if you count myself, cause yeah, I turned out to be non-binary)
I was an anti-feminist in high school. I still beat myself up over how dumb I was
Theres no guilt in being an anti feminist you were exposed to a toxic ideology designed to be convincing. None of us are any better than those people we were just lucky enough to be exposed to the right information early. You did the work you can think about the world more critically now. But dont feel like guilty for your old beliefs. It's not your fault
I remember being part of the anti-feminist trend on CZcams and hating the “woke” or the “SJW”.
I’m so glad to have grown out of that mind set.
Same.
It is so heartwarming to see a lot of us were into this situation, but managed to escape it. *Growth* my friends !
Yep mine lasted for like 5-8 months when I was ten, I watched many conservative figures like Sydney Watson and some of the other “anti-sjw” you tubers. The worst offender was The Quartering on my opinion, he posts like 20 five to nine minute videos a day, strawmaning every argument and bragging about getting canceled on Twitter, at the time I thought he was the coolest however now I just see him as the looser that he is, forever relegated to complaining about a comic book character having smaller boobs for the movie adaptation and blaming it on the “woke S.J.W snowflakes”. He also posted at least 1 video complaining about Brie Larson per day.
The i hope you will grow up from this state.
@@Venom96930 grow out of being not anti-feminist? No hun, I think I can speak for all of us feminists in that we don’t want nor need such a thing to happen❤️
Several years later, and I've finally come around. This video is based and Sargon is cringe.
Yes
Glad to have ya. If you haven't yet, check out Vaush or ActualJake / Hannah & Jake.
Video is based on what?
@@raz802
Already familiar with them
@@MacNCheezeWhiz
Straight fact. That's what
You know what's more annoying than SJWs? People who constantly whine about SJWs.
Now this dude has a point. Props to you.
Um, no. SJWs literally manipulate media, and vice versa, to be on their side and silence anyone who has a conservative-alike process of thinking, making those people lose jobs and reputation even.
In other words, you come out as pretty stupid for saying this, because you essentially rather communism over, at worst, a whiney bitches.
@@turbotrup96 You just proved my point. A person claiming about other people whining while whining on the internet about 2 lines I wrote isn't annoying at all, I'm sure
@@chopsuey-- I'm giving you a reasonable answer to your claim, while you're the one pointlessly whining yourself, jeez.
@@turbotrup96 Um, no.
Erm. Regarding the 1 in 5 thing. Can we just stop to look at "before entering college" (15.9%) and gape at how horrible _that_ number is, too?!
1% is already millions so
@@dontspikemydrink9382 too true. and that's just reported. think about that...
edit: a recent study was in 2007. I looked up the original study from 1976 (Koss). it asked women at kent state if specific "negative" sexual things (that would legally constitute a crime) had happened to them without labeling them crimes in the question. so 1 in 5 women didn't even consider what happened to them something they could do anything about/ something considered wrong. that's the scary thing to me. and that number hasn't changed much since 1976.
That's fucking depressing.
13% is the most consistant number I can find, but I agree; that's nothing to gloss over. And my thought is: Does that only include female victims?
@@dontspikemydrink9382 Depends on where you are.
"no no, you misunderstand, LEGALLY this Isn't rape, so you cant actually get mad at me for it"
This video actually helped my friend get out of her anti-feminist page. Yes, her. She actually had the opinion that women did not deserve equality. It's sad to see that some women actually believe that.
But hey, thanks for making this, because it really helped her out of a bad place.
who
That's actually worse than a male anti feminist honestly, so glad she could turn around and make the right choice
When did Sargon said that Women don't deserve Equality?
@@Venom96930 When did OP say it was because of Sargon?
@@Venom96930 why is that the issue you bring up
Sargon's biggest weakness is actually having to fully read.
Omg this is hilarious hahahaha
vids about 3 and a half sargons long!
Ahhhhh a book!
mine too ):
being trying to improve tho, but my old tendency of skimming still clings onto me till this day
@@Oners82 which means he can't read.
Sorry conservatives. Facts don't care about your feelings
Still applies to leftists.
@@DT-bp2om Care to elaborate, please?
You know, like, be factual, or something.
@@yessir2514 Yes, indeed, but how is that relevant? Are you trying to make a point? Seems a bit like a childish "magic mirror" defense ("you are ugly", "no YOU are ugly").
And by the way, even if "facts don't care about feelings", it doesn't hurt to care about other's feeling sometimes. Just saying.
@@hyllis1397 It's relevant because both sides can be morons.
@@hyllis1397 there are feminists that hates men and actually advocates for female previelege than actual equality. Some of them want equal rights but hate equal responsibilities.
I wonder if some anti-feminists will look at these statistics and feel frustrated for losing an argument instead of feeling upset for the victims ...the thought alone is heartbreaking.
I still haven’t watched the video but... are these statistics self-reported? Or are they based upon actual rape convictions?
@@majav15mg watch the video and you'll find out .
@@exhater7820 They’re self-reported... I don’t know what argument will be lost with such weak evidence.
@@majav15mg considering you actually watched the video i don't get where you stuck at because all the study cases are PROVEN ..are you looking for cases where someone else was there to witness the rape and didn't intervene but decided to report it?! Please help me understand . I'm also confused of why are you insisting that these are fake news . do you seriously belive that sexual harrassment against women simply does not exist? What led you to that belief ? What about women in your community, your friends/family ..have you never personally seen on heard at least a a few awful stories. If not then please tell me where you live because i want to move there asap .
@@exhater7820 Hard to take you seriously when you strawmen me so miserably and you accuse me of believing that sexual assault against women don’t exist or that these statistics are fake. Unbelievable. The numbers are UNRELIABLE. And they’re not based upon convictions but upon self-reports. If a survey on false accusations came out and a significant portion of respondents said they’ve been falsely accused, would you believe it? Would you believe some number about how 1 out of every 10 men has been falsely accused of rape?
“Stuff that away in your brain pockets” I’m a girl, we don’t have pockets
Tertiary sex characteristics.
@@nanahuatli2144 Quaternary brain characteristics
@@allnaturalfigjam310 QuintonTarentino heart characterisitcs
no fr tho why do guys have such nice deep pockets and my jeans pockets are FAKE
@@hopeslover6778 And why do you guys get to carry handbags in a normalized way? I'd argue our pockets aren't deep enough. I want to carry more shit please :(
Sargon "surveys are only valid if I agree with them" akkad
Just like Shapiro always says "Facts only care about *my* feelings."
@@nemo9864 the fact that hes a jew is a fact!.theres too many god damn facts,of course you're gonna only read the things most important to you ,dont tell me when you try to write an essay for your professors,you read the whole damn research paper,theres too many WORDS and its boring as hell,the word only sparks when it matters to you because evrything besides what matters to you right there and then is useless.
@@a.bagasm.7253 What does Ben Shapiro being Jewish have to do with his illogical arguments, such as climate change is a hoax and rap music isn't real music?
@@mattwong5403 IM SAYING, you can't go to a liblary and read the whole damn thing even if you're the smartest student in that university for 4 years, you still can't make it cuz theres always more to read .you only read what peaks your interest, thats it .watch zach star video"this is how easy to manipulate public preception". you stated "thats objective", well since its apperentlly said by a subjective being, then thats the subjective thing posibble.
Its not jewish preciselly, its his tempermant
@@a.bagasm.7253
If you are not reading the whole book or the whole article you are writting about, you are not smart but intelectually bankrupt. Seriously, you can mark the most important parts, highlight and quote them, but you should still read it all. This isn't middle school, if you are "2 C○○L" to read a book, you are not ready to enter a debate on the subject as an equal.
Trying to fall into relativism of "everyone does it" is just shallow self justification for acting like you know what you are talking about without the proper knowledge. It's nearly Dunning Krueger, because it implies everyone else is faking it too so you must be a genius to figure it out. Reality check, some people do read whole books on the subject they study, come up with theories, test them and then write about it. It's called the scientific method and the basis of academic knowledge.
Then again, how could I argue with you if you won't pay attention to the very words I use? Words are already limited tools to transfer knowledge, if you cannot and will not try to interpret them in full, you won't be able to understand the arguments made. You will end up looking for words that trigger you and that make sense to you. That means you will seek what confirms your own beliefs, not the nuances presented.
To be fair:
When Sargon was sent to another emperor by the current King of Kish, he was completely illiterate and didn't read that he was being sent off literally to die.
F
What if he's actually self-aware, and is trolling EVERYONE, especially his following?
Cathrine Lundqvist Nah, that would explain too much.
@@KattReen Now that'd be some 5th dimension Paladin strike
😂😂😂
Used to be into the anti-feminist nonsense myself as a douchy highschool boy raised in Alabama with fundamentalist Christian parents. Then I met and married a college rape survivor. Really changes your perspective that. Great video. Great channel. Thanks for it.
you bring faith that people can change, you did the right thing
I don't understand why you changed as their was no reason to. If your partner changed your view then i question it, an argument can be made your personal emotions overtook you and makes you unable to think critically that would explain your change in view towards feminist or college could explain it, it tends to do that to people.
@@kordellswoffer1520 Honestly, your meaning is pretty mangled. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
@@SpudicusRex sorry it was late. I hope the edited version is easier to understand.
@@kordellswoffer1520 I think I understand you better. Firstly, it seems to me that antifeminism is hardly a stance that values critical thinking. Broadly though, arguments that connect to pathos (that is, to our emotions) often become the start of more reasoned reconsideration. So yes, witnessing the horror of sexual violence up close and it's fallout in the life of someone I loved changed my perspective quite drastically and quite suddenly. But, with nearly a decade separating that emotional experience from the present, I'd like to think my position is now well reasoned even if it's genesis was in personal horror. That is to say, I think you're suggesting some sort of divide between reason and emotion that doesn't exist. Emotional reasons are still reasons and arguments rooted in emotion can be both correct and persuasive.
I remember actively looking up stuff like "sjws getting owned" and I was already an adult ._. It feels so good to be out of that, I'm just sad I lost 2 years in my early twenties being like that. I lost my time watching people like sargon and I truly believed that they were oh so rational and so much better than those dramatic liberal snowflakes. It makes me physically ill knowing I hurt people while growing up and out of that mindset. I'm so grateful for people who make content like that and for people who take time to educate others and help them leave toxic echo chambers.
At least now you know them and how do they operate. You're much more well-equipped to criticize them.
Reading this ..let's say it was healing for me
To be honest I was as well. A while back. It sucked
You became what you swore to destroy
@@sprPee He became based.
Sargon: That won't stop me because I can't read!
„this article cant stop me because i cant read!!!“
Someone's salty about facts... or reason... or both...
@@Persholm1 Sargon is ALWAYS salty about facts and reason being against him
Also he apparently can´t listen for more than 5 Minutes at a time.
@@Persholm1 Yes, thank you Sargon of Akkad subscriber-a known rational and totally reasonable (epic) guy that definitely isn’t an adult virgin (unepic).
This channel brought me back from the brink of nazism.
Thank you.
from an ex alt right to another, welcome to the right side of history :)
Same thing happened with me ^^
@@prozystudios1595 Don't you mean the left side of history ? :)
Doesn't mean you go all the way to hbomberguy who seems like an utter soy. Like most things the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
David Banterford ah yes, soy, the myth he literally debunked
Here is a thought. If you want to know about sexual assault, talk to women. I mean, women you are friends with, and with whom you can have a honest conversation. If you do that, one in five seems rather lowballing it, probably because there is still a lot of shame associated with the subject.
Not sure what women you are talking to man, but I live in Athens GA and I know next to no women who have been sexually assaulted and I know hundreds.
@@piecrumbs9951 I mean, have you actually talked to them about it? Also "hundreds" is definitely an overstatement. There's no way you are close with that many people enough to talk about that subject.
@@dream-lh4pc Maybe so. But all of that is irrelevant anyways, I was simply countering the idea that talking to women was an effective way of determining the efficacy of the 1 in 5 statistic. Some might talk to many women and come to the conclusion that the 1 in 5 statistic is lowballing like brennenderopa, while others like myself may determine from personal experience that the 1 in 5 statistic is outrageously high. Which is why anecdotal evidence isn't actually evidence, anecdotes can contradict each other and there are thousands of them. So in statistical analysis, however many women you have talked to is a statistical irrelevance. And statistically speaking, the 1 in 5 figure is, to say the least, a misrepresentation of reality. The survey used to come to that conclusion not only had a small survey size, but the questions were often misleadingly worded. There have been studies that have come to a much smaller number with much larger survey sizes and more productive wording. So to argue the efficacy of a statistical figure with how many people you personally have talked to should be discouraged.
@@piecrumbs9951 what confuses me is what can I do to help
the problem with these guys is they think being ""rational"" and ""reasonable"" means breaking down every social issue into numbers and statistics and divorcing it from any personal context. they cherrypick statistics to make the numbers seem lower than they are and then say "see if you look at these numbers on their own and don't consider that each one of those numbers correlates to a victim whose life was inextricably altered, it's not as big of an issue as these manipulative, irrational women want you to believe."
also i think the vast majority of them straight up don't have female friends and therefore don't know anything about what women's day to day lives are like
the fact that as 23 year old woman, I have not come across another woman who has not been sexually assaulted in some way, is eye-opening but a lot of men just prefer to ignore
This is so real! I knew what was going on since highschool, in fact most girls used to be harassed more at 16 than now as adult women. I only know a friend that I suspect she's never been harassed but then again she's super secretive.
yeah this. my circle of friends is mostly female and the shit you get to hear from them is **insane**. And they talk about it like it's normal. Because to them it is. It's so utterly fucked.
P.S: the group is not to perpetuate cancel culture or expose dudes just because, is merely to be a resource for women to look up the guy and have the decision if she wants to keep talking to him or not depending on what other woman comment about him.
"yeah b-b-but they deserved it cause they were wearing sussy outfits!!1!1!1 😀😅😁😄😁😄😂😃😂😃😂😄😁😀😅😀😅😁😃"
Fairly certain no one ignores that, everyone acknowledges that. Hell even some of the motivational "manly" CZcamsrs do too, and while I don't always agree with them it does show that it's way more thought about than you'd think
if youre returning to this video to rescind your dislike im sincerely proud of you
@S. I. V. Good thing there's a whole channel of videos like this one
@S. I. V. i doubt that you're *really* interested, but i'd be happy to recommend youtube channels similar to this one. czcams.com/users/hbomberguyvideos hbomberguy has multiple videos like this about soyboys, feminism, climate denial, etc.
czcams.com/users/ShaunandnotJenvideos
czcams.com/users/ContraPointsvideos
@S. I. V. yeah i'd definitely agree with you there lol. but i like Hbomberguy's style so when he does social justice-type videos they're always really good in my opinion
@S. I. V. not exactly.
but, it's an easy calling out of a guy who acts as an intellectual and mouthpiece and has repeatedly been wrong, so it's justified imo. carl isn't just ignorant, he's actively either lying or so angry at feminists he's lost the ability to read
@S.I.V. Who the fuck is Adam Fraser? It literally looks like you've been talking to yourself
"My long and arduous research brought me to the Wikipedia page for campus sexual assault"
I'm dying this video is low key hilarious.
what do you mean low key? the entire video is about the funnies and barely has any arguments.
@@DIVAD291 did you also click off after 5 minutes?
@@tf7602 I probably should have. Watching too much of this guy can't be good for my mental health.
@@DIVAD291 true, anyone that insults daddy sargon causes too much high blood pressure for you right?
@@shahidakhuhro3490 Im not a big fan of sargon. How does that make you feel?
Remember when we worried about these people's stupid arguments as opposed to them actually trying to murder people? I miss those times.
Or worse, forcing their children to drink bleach because they don't understand how medicine works and the cult they're in said bleach cured everything.
Wait they did *what* now
I wanna go looking for the rabbit hole but something tells me this is a Chris Chan levels of batshit insanity one-which. Hm no thanks once was ENOUGH
Are these murders in the room with us right now?
The fact some people think it's a stretch that 1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted on campus is really telling of the fact they have never spoken to a woman before. I studied stem and my campus was 90% male, I was sexually harassed multiple times a week, even one of the college proffessors said something inappropriate to me. My male friends thought I was exaggerating so I asked them to walk around campus with me for a week and I was sexually harassed 3 times and the most jarring thing is that because I was with them it was happening less. I'm lucky I was never sexually assaulted because I always walked around with another guy after a few months because I was scared. This wasn't even in America it was in Scotland.
People who spend most of their time complaining about feminism not having much experience talking to women? Impossible
cool story
can you be more specific what happened to you?
Honestly I just hate how some people only see what is *legally* defined instances as r*pe/SA. You really shouldn't base your moral compass and level of empathy on laws or simply any written word.
As if someone can't feel violated by something someone else finds acceptable and normal.
For example I don't mind showing my hair, even if my head covering fell off/somebody took it from me, it's not a big deal to me. A Muslim hijabi might think of this as wildly inappropriate and invasive.
The other way around not everything that somebody finds right or wrong should become a law. They are separate things imo.
It's factually not true. Sorry
I just...I really gotta side eye anyone who is THIS invested in bitching about what constitutes rape or sexual assault. I can’t help but think people who are so eager to diminish rape have to have some skeletons in their own closet regarding their own behavior.
I dont think they are bitching more so frustrated that a hand on a shoulder could for a female or a Male be inappropriate to them. I'm not saying that's a bad thing all I'm saying is alot of times it's just a simple friendly gesture lost in translation. I truly dont believe they are arguing about what constitutes rape
Like they want to be left to abuse women "in peace"... 😷
What they're really doing is saying "We need to define this." If it goes undefined, it could mean anything. I could be called a rapist for handshaking. It just needs some kind of definition, which it for some reason is lacking.
TheArcaneHunter rape does have a very specific, legal definition already. I don’t know where all these women claiming a handshake is rape are coming from. If a person claimed that, their claims would go nowhere because as I say, rape does already have a super specific definition.
@@thearcanehunter2736 That's bullshit. Show me where are all those men convicted for a handshake.
Stop saying this kind of shit, take responsibility for your actions, and STOP touching people that don't want to be touched. STOP grabbing women by their waist, neck, or arm. It's that fucking simple.
This is it. A year later, and this is the video that started my slide from an anti-feminist to an actual feminist. Oh, what a slide.
What a slide
Then to anti feminist again by “FACTS AND LOGIC”
Slipdash why would you ever be a anti feminist
GOOGLE ACOUNT idk
Yeah now that I think about it saying idk was of kinda dumb, I was just replying to a joke.
even if that statistic was "massively inflated", any amount of sexual assault is bad, the fact that politics has become "the other side dislikes this thing, so I must defend it (or vice versa)" is so disgusting, decry bad behaviour where you see it, of course, radicals make both sides look, really, really bad, and its our duty to point out hypocrisy, or straight up ignorance whenever, and wherever we see it, no matter who it's coming from, or what they believe.
I can't debunk any of thoses facts but i will still be an edgy anti feminist because my frends will call me beta male and i'm very insecure
We all are in need of good friends.
As someone who was also once an edgy anti-feminist scared of being called a beta male, find better friends or friends who can at least tolerate different opinions.
Ok, who gives a fuck?If they unironically use the term “beta male”, they are losers.
I'm a woman and i was scared of being viewed as the angry crazy feminist . I can only imagine how hard it must be for men .
Hey I know this is late and idk if you're serious or joking, but you need to try search new friend that won't mocking to you just because you change or having different opinions. I'm big loner you can imagine, not physically attractive nor have nice personalities, yet I have friends that willing to hear whatever bullshit I've said (and I'm thanked them ofc) so I'm sure you'll get friends like mine. Hell even 1 friend that willing to understand you is much better than 10 toxic friends. I know it's hard to get supportive friend and I'm very lucky to even get one, but I believe in you will get better accompany as long you willing to be at least decent person. I hope you quit from a circumstance that won't accept that you've changed.
It's people like Sargon of Akkad and videos "debunking" sexual assault "myths" that rape and sexual assault remains one of the most, if not the most, underreported crimes in the world. Rape victims do get treated like shit, it's sad and terrifying.
It's telling when people like Sargon or TL;DR; have a lot of sympathy for the incel community. Maybe they feel a hint of camaraderie with all the misogyny they display? Who knows.
These people will simultaneously say that something “isn’t actually rape” or “not real sexual assault” and then say that transgender people using the bathroom that corresponds with their is “state sanctioned rape”
Sad, but this is so very true.
And fake rapes accusations too
@@huskpl3yz358 Oof libs destroyed... well they would be if you could form a coherent argument or, ya know, spell
Sargon of Akk(annot re)ad
That's very clever!
I don't know how I can reward you for that (other than a thumbs up and a comment). You deserve something for your cleverness.
@@gelatinocyte6270 It's a shame this isn't reddit.
@@murdokdracul
That shit has no value. I'm talking about actual rewards (material/money) which I'm not supposed to attempt to give 'cause I'm poor.
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Nah, he can read. So long as it takes five minutes or less so that he can fit it into his attention span. It helps if it includes lots of pictures and not too many big words.
Confirms personal biases: *100% real and respectable study*
Denies personal biases: *Fake surveys created by the liberal/marxist/feminist cabal to manipulate our society!*
Wow 90% of these comments are former anti-feminists
Yep because we grew up and admitted out mistake. Anti-feminists relays highly on easy to manipulate youths.
@@captainhellhound7451 young entitled boys are an easy target and antifeminism is used as a direct pipeline into fascism.
@@captainhellhound7451 being a shitlib is no better
Nah, 90% are just former idiots/kids, anti-feminists are not people who heard it from someone edgy as a kid and thought it was cool. Now they grew up and "realized" the non-arguments they knew were just that and written of the entire anti-feminism rhetoric based without ever even hearing an accual, logical argument for it.
@@captainhellhound7451 "Grew up"? Are you idiots unaware of why people are "anti feminist"?
It's because "feminism" has nothing to do with equality. It's a pretext to allow women to avoid accountability. It's perpetuated by the elite to disrupt society.
What is Sargon for real arguing? What does he care about? Rape is ok? NBD? Does he feel men are being attacked? Does he feel feminists are the enemy? Was he involved in an incident and feels he was treated unfairly?
the jews are promoting an anti white anti male orwellian society, yada yada bullshit
To be fair, there is a need to counter the feminist narrative with logic but he did a terrible job of that
@@Bradley_Lute "feminist narrative" good one
@@prozystudios1595 If you think feminists don't have a narrative, that's pretty silly.
News flash, every group of people has their narrative, and it's only by clashing these narratives that reasonable thought comes out.
@@TANKCHANCHAN There's a pretty substantial difference between the very real objectives of feminism being displayed appropriately and the very fake boogeyman of "the feminists are taking over the world" agenda thing that rightoids tend to babble about.
former incel/nice guy/anti-feminist here. Going through my own therapy literally polarized my views and it’s funny to look back and see how I used to think.
Good on you.
I've got a lot of respect for you and actually your voice could be key in understanding why these view points are taking.
I completely respect your journey, but I'm just saying, if you choose to share your voice in the right places, you could do a lot of good.
@Amin Yashed
Feminism, at its core, is just a push for the equalization of men and women. Now, of course, there are fringe radical elements. Anti feminism is against all of feminism, and portrays literally every feminist as one of those radicals, and uses it to discredit the core of the movement. So although it seems like it’s just “sensible people pushing against extremism”, it’s actually a bunch of extremists portraying a group of mostly sensible people as extremists.
Good on you, as a former nice girl/anti-fem too
@Amin Yashed Have you seen the video?
Nothing better than watching your old ill informed opinions get destroyed by the HBomb.
Never ask
A man: his paycheck
A woman: her age
A zoomer: his political opinion between 2016 and 2018
@G C not funni, doesnttt make sens... annddd..... copied!
This is so accurate is hurts... Gotta love looking back on that FeMiNaZi DeStRuCtIoN compilation phase. I guess it goes to show how easy it is to radicalize kids on the internet
Man I remember the time I used to watch feminist cringe compilations.... why did I even do that?
Nah, I'm always willing to dunk on myself for my beliefs from the past. I think it's a vital part of maturing to be able to laugh at yourself.
Sargon can't watch a 30 minute video, uploads 3 hour conversation.
Dr. Rockzo seems like you don't know what hypocrisy means.
Dr. Rockzo 😂😂😂😂😂😂 fuck off loser
But how many Sargon's long is it ?
Kai Anderson
But he can watch it so no it’s not hypocritical idiot
No no no he makes a 3 hour convo about a joke vid he can rebuke, but ignores the ones with actual arguments
I've always wondered, why is it so important to them that rape is asserted to be less common than the facts tell us?
Toast Burner Hey. Black female conservative here. We doubt that it’s one in four, because patterns show us that poorer less educated areas have a rape problem, the very opposite of a college campus. Also, feminists tend not to take rae seriously unless it’s for a political gain. The whole thing with Brett Kavanaugh is a pretty good example.
Juliett A if the one in five is true (which is isn’t), then western feminism is definitely a failure. In a culture that takes rape very seriously, how the fuck is 20% of college girls getting raped?
@@fireball1289 If people don't actually report and punish rape, it doesn't end up stopping. Particularly in the US, where if you do eventually report the rape you typically get punished and the rapist is often treated as the victim. This is why a lot of people don't report rape unless it seems like an emergency, as seen with Kavanaugh. Ford got threatened horrifically; Kavanaugh wasn't even made to wait until more information could be looked at.
Theres also an issue that in the US, conservatives adamantly insist rape only happened if it is politically expedient. Although I'd love to hear what political gain feminists got from calling out the sentencing of Brock Turner.
Toast Burner what
Because if the rates of rape are as high as they are then they might have to a) reexamine the culture and mindset towards women they help create could affect violence against women and b) take women more seriously and c) entertain the idea that they are not the primary victims of society and that they have some amount of priviledge over another group of people?
My anti feminism phase started when I watched an episode of regular show where ‘weird feminists’ were ‘protesting for their rights’. Glad that phase was short
Edit: I may be getting regular show mixed up with another kids show
Same.
And what, you're feminist now or what?
Which ep was that? Wow, I did not remember that when I watched that when I was younger 😭
I did a quick google search and all I found was a single image from the episode where mordecai speed dates a bunch of women, Is that the episode you're referring to?
Yeah, as a fan of Regular Show myself, I don’t remember an episode like that.
It's genuinely bizarre how my opinion has shifted over time just based on the content I've taken in. I used to really like Sargon. Now I think he's completely lost it and never really know why I liked him in the first place. Now a lot of the stuff I would have written off as woke garbage is some of my favorite content.
I personally would’ve signed this guy off back in my phase, I was that cynical. I was following so many morons. It started with Steven Crowder, and then Shapiro and gradually I followed some other ones, all I saw was anti woke/feminism stuff every week. I was locked in unfortunately.
It entered its ‘Cretaceous’ period for me when I followed a channel called ‘the quartering’ and he actively saved me from anti feminism….because all he did was Moan about it ALL the time and I eventually just saw one post he uploaded that made me reactively unsub…and for some reason I went ‘oh fuck it’ and unsubbed the entire lot of them. I dunno what it was.
I think I got so sick of being negative all the time and I just ripped out the roots of anything negative that I was consuming and gradually I became more open minded and content. I remember playing last of us 2, and being conflicted on it regarding its story and writing but overall thinking it was a decent game…out of curiosity I checked back on what all the channels I use to watch said and ofc “this is just pure left wing, anti-man propaganda and you should just stay the fuck away from it.” That really solidified it for me, having my opinion on something and comparing it to their extremes.
I watched Sargon in the past, but I actually stopped bc he frequently made half hour rants about something that could be summarized in 5 minutes. (It was later that I learned it was also mostly BS)
I stopped because be became a Trump-thumper.
That's because Sargon isn't an intellectual and doesn't pretend to be. His whole thing is that he's just an internet shitposter and he can still out-argue 99% of feminist talking points.
I watched *ONE* of his videos. I don't even remember what it was about, but I remember it being so offensively wrong and rabidly bigoted that I felt disinclined to give him another minute of my time.
@@CteCrassus Lucky you. I watched his stuff for about a year and a half before his take on the 2016 election finally drove me away. Hindsight being 20-20, I should've noticed issues long before that.
@@danagray9709
How can you say that he can out-argue anything when he constantly misrepresents findings and uses logical fallacies? The only way anyone can say Sargon can "out-argue" is if they really just mean "he says shit I agree with". Beyond that, his videos are pretty much uninformed rants supported by studies he doesn't seem to read.
Honestly what even is the point of all this debate. It doesn't matter if it's 1%(it's not), as long as sexual assault happens, it's a problem that needs to be addressed.
Everyone agrees that drunk driving is bad but only a few people percentage-wise do it. There are still measures to prevent all that. Because it saves lives with a small change?
How is this even a debate, how is consent a debate.
Yeah you're right, this double standard when it comes to rape only reinforces the existence of rape culture that these right wing twats will also deny to their grave.
For real. These people who are "realistic" are likely just complacent twats who haven't experienced such problems to care.
What can you do to prevent this situations, exactly? How are you going to stop people from drunk driving, and rapists from raping?
It would be lovely if you could answer.
@@vladlu6362 It's true you are unlikely to change the worst offenders. But you CAN change all the people stuck in-between who delude themselves into wanting to take 'any opportunity', ignore resistance or reject real communication ( 'oh but men LIKE -insert thing that wasn't communicated/consented to at all here-' falls under this - that's a tragedy that needs to end as well). Knowing about consent helps that. It also helps victims to know what it is, why they feel the way they do, and thus have access to information to recover. It helps relationship rape too. Not all of them, but some. Even if you couldn't stop it all, having a better recovery system than silenceTM is needed. Even if the statistics didn't change their numbers, if the aftermaths would be less debilitating, that'd be a huge improvement imho.
My own 'ze experience' wrecked me, but - as super fucking dumb as it sounds - the dude would not have done it knowingly - he'd have hated to be a rapist, and he never repeated it or similar things afterwards after being told off - the relationship was ruined regardless and fizzled out (and it does sound pathetic, but trust me, that was an avoidable one.) The pain is not simply caused by someone stepping over intimate boundaries, it's also in actively ignoring the pain it causes and has caused. In not stopping. In not re-negotiating. In not talking about it afterwards. Thus also ignoring any chance of rebuilding trust. Tackling consent? Being aware of consent? It may not stop impulsive BS, but it sure would have lessened the hurt caused.
All the discussion about rape? That's helped me find the resources I need, the language I need, and it helped me identify a lot of red flags I am now very keen to avoid. (like being VERY interested in whether or not certain underwear colors signal wanting sex.. to which the answer is .. why would you even want to use what someone put on in the morning as a signal of what they want NOW? if you are in the presence of someone in undies and you don't know, you need to COMMUNICATE, not try to decipher their clothes geez)
So I've had first hand experience with dudes who don't know when an explicit and clear no means they should fuck off. It was very unambiguous too, it seems like either they were intentionally trying to go against my wishes and downplaying it, or they were fucking delusional and had erotomania. These people are dangerous. They will never admit that they are abusers, they will never empathize with the victims that they try to control, and we should start making some traps to catch these sexual predators, because they exist.
Confirmation bias goes so bad it makes you sick sometimes. Must've did people like Elliot Rodgers a real service.
I see this, but I also will say that I was sitting among two of my female friends discussing the situation where she was refusing to kiss a guy, not because she didn't want to, but because she wanted the guy to push past her boundries and just go for it. This is also a guy she used to sleep with, and I just feel like a good portion of women do engage in this type of behaviour so much so that a lot of men maybe hear a "no" but they understand, that this can mean they should be more aggressive in their approach. I dion't want to say this is now women's fault again, but a society's fault for creating dynamics where we treat our desires in dating like our cards in poker, we fail to be authentic and really try to have this power imbalance that is so known to be unhealthy-
@@corneliahanimann2173this is dumb off the simple fact that everyone is different. Just because “some” people say no and mean yes instead, doesn’t mean everyone who says no is secretly saying yes as well. And it should not be excused by saying such. You should treat everyone’s boundaries differently, because everyone’s boundaries ARE different hello???
I was an anti-feminist when I was 15. Now at 20 I'm a trans woman who has been sexually assaulted twice on public transit, once on a university campus, and twice again in private. (including my own fucking apartment during my birthday party)
They have gotten their hooks into a lot of us. Glad you could find out more about your identity though, even if it may come with some unpleasant snags on account of society’s biases. Stay proud of your identity, and let’s keep doing all we can to make the world a better place.
I should add, that when I came to understand gender identity proper, and finally put distance from my own issues with Anti-feminism and such, I came to recognize I’m somewhere in non-binary territory, though I’m still figuring that out. So you’re not the only one on this front in a lot of ways, I’m sure there are others!
Sorry to hear about those experiences. Also, I’ve noticed there’s a lot of trans women commenting on this video in particular lol
@@Me-wx1mt my theory on this is that being trans inherently forces you to re-examine things and question things you took for granted before.
@@peregrinecovington4138 I mean, probably lol
congrats on ur identity! but im so sorry that youve had to deal with all that :(
Trigger warning: trigger warning.
Funny that the people who say left-wing people are too soft get offended at the words "trigger warning".
Anti-SJWs: *sees a woman in a movie. "THIS IS FEMINAZI PROPAGANDA"
what about that white dude i met on a discord server who liked to throw the n-word around but then threw in a fit because i called MYSELF cis?
@@mattwong5403 Literally no Anti-SJW thinks that. Ok, that's not true, some are sexist, but still, I'm Anti-SJW, and I like male and female characters.
@Ryan Jones Sure.
they dont get offended about it they just get pissed bc ppl expect them to put them in front of everything because someone might get offended
I had my antifeminist, anti left stage back when I was 14. I watched most of these channels religiously and would fight tooth and nail for my position, god I cringe at those days.
Despite the cringiness of it though, I wouldn't take them back, because being exposed to what it's like to be that kind of person has made me a lot more well rounded today I think and taught me that beliefs are way more than black and white.
lmao you're exactly the person I used to be, you don't know me or my views on shit but you assume I'm this strawman stereotype you have in your head of anyone who doesn't 100% agree with you. So easily offended and fragile, hopefully one day you'll grow up.
@@sems7827 Kid, I'm old enough to be your father. You can't even remember a time when there was no internet. I can surmise your views from your comment. It's called, "reading between the lines." Anyone who isn't an antifeminist is an utter moron.
For someone who is so good at "reading between the lines" and who can apparently tell who I am you're pretty garbage at actually knowing what type of person I am. I'm still a pretty right wing person, I'm just not a whiny baby calling everyone I disagree with soyboy cucks or feminazis, I actually listen to opposing viewpoints rather than just insulting people and going back to my circlejerk.
@@sems7827 If you're watching this guy's video and agreeing with the sentiment, you're not a "pretty right wing person." Also, right wingers are *also* morons. They're just a different form of white knight. The only thing they get right is their disagreement with SJWs. There is nothing to "listen to;" these people are a bunch of robotic clones who regurgitate the same illogical, faux-academic bullshit as everyone else of their ilk. If you've heard it once you've heard it all.
Ironic you'd say that people are robots regurgitating what they've heard when you immediately go to calling me the most cliche' canned NPC insult possible lmao. Also at what stage did I agree with anything said in this video? all I said was that being in the edgy right-wing anti-SJW anti-feminist group has made me more well rounded since I understand what their thought process is and I can sympathize.
Also if you're a free spirit, enlightened being who exists outside of the political spectrum, that's cool, go change the world rather than crying at people who are apparently old enough to be your kid.
It warms my heart seeing all the recent comments talking about how former reactionaries like me stopped being reactionary and started mocking what they use to be through videos like this.
I've come to confess I used to watch Ben shapiro and triggered compilations.
I was a twat.
Me too
Its ok
This video is a false debunk. The 2 surveys talked about are different. The first is one where students are asked a question and the second one used by sargon is a statistical data survey that shows solely the number of sexual assaults that *were* reported to the police. It does not show the percentage of sexual assaults that were unreported, which would give you the total number of sexual assaults.
Why'd you stop?
@@dogbot55 Have you considered that some crimes may go unreported, so only citing reported crimes may be a mistake? It may be easier to just, admit something on a throw-away survery then go through the motions of contacting the police, especially if you are trying to mentally bury something.
It's okay. Most people here are former anti-sjw keyboard warriors. We learn from our mistakes and grow.
I forget who I got this idea from (although it was probably Innuendo Studios), but I heard someone say something along the lines of one of the issues with pseudointellectuals like sargon and thunderfoot is that they see logic and rationality not as actions or ways of thinking but as intrinsic characteristics of people. They think that they *are* rational, and therefore whatever they think must also be rational and true. They are willing to change their minds on individual topics only if it can be twisted to keep them on top in their own eyes.
Yeah it's in Innuendo Studios "The Card Says Moops" video
Even economists are basically drilled to assume people are not *homo economicus* a.k.a. rational beings. Even a few years ago behavioural economists were given the equivalent Nobel prize...
Doesn’t thunderfoot only debunk like, science stuff? Like stupid go fund me or attacks on nuclear energy? Also doesn’t he actually work at a power plant? Am I thinking of the right guy.
@@greasybreads9657 For a while he got hardcore into anti-sjw videos, Hbomber has a video on him on his channel as well.
Yes! That's all! And, for his sake and sparing him embarrassment, i plead with you not to look up his old stuff about anita sarkeesian
But Hbomberguy, it was a _survey,_ not a *survey!*
You can trust surveys, but you cant trust surveys.
I love when he says *"sUUUhRvEy"* at 4:25!
@@theocean1973 just rewatched it for the 14th time. Thanks for pointing it out.
Man I wish I watched this video when I went through my edgy "lol feminism sucks" phase when I started out high-school.
Same lmao
I feel like a coward because I know I'm never gonna report my assault. I'm kind of part of the problem I guess. But Ik even if I wanted to my parents wouldn't let me. It's sad because I know he's out there doing what he does. I knew he assaulted another girl after me. My parents grounded me for being assaulted and hit me so I used to think it was my fault for the longest time. Ik it's not anymore but I still feel so guilty. I just wish somebody else would report him. I was only 14. He was 18. He was a teen too but he wasn't a minor right. So it was still wrong. And I didn't consent so it was wrong either way.
I'm so sorry and I hope and pray one day you'll have the courage to speak up. Untill that day I want you to know you're not a coward, what you experienced was awful at such a young age. I hope u stop doubting yourself anymore. Wishing u the best in life bro
pretty B I'm very sorry to read what happened to you and the pain lingering in your life. You are not a coward. You are not guilty for his crime. A good therapist who specializes in assault is the beginning that will bring power back into your life.
So sorry for you 😭
Seeing the dislike ratios on these leftist videos when compared to right wing videos makes me question this "everyone hates the right" statement I constantly see spewed
Serb Hunter Question everything!
Serb Hunter
It's because right Wing people get butthurt and flood leftist videos just to dislike them
It's pretty common.
If you don't watch the video but dislike it anyway you have all the time to dislike lots of videos.
"everyone who dislikes a leftist video, is a member of the right!" this generalization is ok for people like you, apparently.
but if somebody even DARES to call anybody, who disagrees with him/her an "SJW", then it's suddenly 10 times worse, or what?
It's true though isn't it. You are.
Very glad I grew out of the stage where I unironically enjoyed watching antifeminist videos.
Proud of you guys! I think so many people stay repeating anti-feminist stuff etc. because it's so hard to admit that you were wrong. It takes real strength to do that, so kudos to you :)
I used to be anti-feminism as a Teenager too. I thought "I can do anything as a woman, feminism doesn't need to be so fucking condescending" untill i figured out, that there are people in this world, that aren't in my privileged (-trigger warning for whining MRAs: I used the word "privileged"-) position and there are just a lot of sexist structures women and men suffer from, on a day to day basis.
Same dude, I used to be a sad human being
Can somebody here from the "newly enlightened" club explain to me why Sh0eOnHead's content is garbage?
Uhm... Shoe watches buzzfeed videos that take themselves quite seriously actually (hence why the global hate against the "brand"). You mgiht be correct for one instance or another, but majority of buzzfeed "reviews" I've seen were about serious content done wrong. Even that retarded "Digital Black Face" video was quite serious; it was never meant as a joke.
She keeps attacking feminism because that's the whole point of her channel. She doesn't put on a wig and scream like PJW, she actually illustrates her points.
You keep calling her supporters nazis (you called her a whore while I was writing this...) and you even assumed I'd be pissed cos I'm a nazi or some shit, you do realise there are some problems here I hope? National socialism has nothing to do with the context anyway I don't get it...
God i wish i saw this video when i was still in my anti-SJW phase...
same
Now you are in your breadtube phase of moral fallacies
Even if the true number is 1 in 473957, why can't that one person be protected?
Humans are fuck. Really i mean seriously what incentives someone to rape somebody? Seriously? They need to pick through their brains and figure out whats wrong with them.
It's so wholesome to see all the reformed alt-right anti-feminists, big love to you all and kudos for reforming yourselves, growth comes from humility and admitting you were wrong and that can take strength so well done you guys
You'll cuss them out and insult them to the bone the second they have an issue with Feminism. Hehe. Hypocritical woman.
^ Feelings so fragile he even resorted to _preemptive mysoginy_ at someone who wasn't being mean in the slightest to anybody. It's dawning on me that anti-SJWs and anti-feminists really are more related to crazy tinhat conspirationists than I thought. Hopefully he grows out of it like everyone else is.
Yeah, this gives me hope. I didn’t have an anti-SJW phase, I often felt like the SJW because I could make sense of what the “SJW”s were talking about,, now I’m just more left than I was before. Whilst I’m glad I didn’t have this type of edgy phase (mine was the “edgy depressed teen phase”*), I’m kinda envious since I’ve seen that people who have had this phase can better argue these point to those who they used to relate to.
*(I don’t think teenagers and young people having depression is edgy and that it’s always a phase. Sometimes it can be romanticised, or you realise that they don’t have a clue what boundaries are online and probably use their online spaces like Snapchat to say what they can’t to their parents. May or may not be projecting.)
@@Mayhzon oh hey, I remember when I was 12 too
@@revolverjesus98 Feminism is equality (Not all feminists are decent people, there are some misandrists, but the philosophy is not individuals). If you are anti-feminist you are anti-equality and therefore by definition a bigot. Anti-feminism is, from an egalitarian moral stance, wrong and evil.
*shrug*
Sorry to break it to you.
I credit this video with singlehandedly starting the wave of breadtube. Before 2017, it was absolute heresy to defend feminism on CZcams. Harry has done such amazing work by changing the minds of an entire generation of gamers.
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everyone say thank you harry
Thank you, Harry. Maybe people will actually look into this shit and gain a soul
All this has proven is that some dude that preaches for the right wasn't thorough with his research and some incels that followed the tune as his choir boys, moved from one radical side to the other.
The biggest issue with feminism is tht it cant take criticism. You disagree with feminism and you are considered a sexist bigot.
@@mrosskne Better not cut yourself on that fucken edge there
I remember that when I was like 13, I was anti feminist and tried to convince myself that I hated girly things. I know now that I didn’t hate femininity, but I hated how others treated it as lesser. I wanted to distance myself from it. Luckily, I made some good friends and learned to accept myself instead of seeking validation from others. Now, I’m much more appreciative of both my feminine and masculine interests, and I love to support others in whatever path they choose.
As a woman, I can appreciate how it would be difficult, as a man, to hear people you've never met say unfavorable things about you based on nothing but your genitalia. What I cannot comprehend, is where the empathetic failure happens in the response. It does make me feel better to know that these types of videos exist*, though they are still difficult to watch because to me they still serve, at least partially, as a reminder of a community of people that hate me.
Thank you for your content HBomberGuy. Knowing you are out there doing this type of work has a positive impact on my life.
Not agreeing with modern feminism does not mean people hate women....
@@whatnothing2276 What definition of feminism do you propose?
@@bunnerkins That would be like saying people who hate white supremacists hate white people
@@bunnerkins Its the modern definition of it. Don't see the point in caring about one gender when people should be focusing on equality. And labeling it equality instead of feminism.
@@whatnothing2276 It is difficult to understand what you are saying without a definition of what you are disagreeing with.
The thing that never made sense for me: even if you believe that the study isn't universally realavent or that 1/5 is an exaggeration, why does that invalidate the idea. Even if 1/5 was an estimate (it's not) but 1/10 would still be a massive problem. If you don't believe it's 20%, then 10% of people would still be horrific and worth raising awareness and combating. 1/15 is a problem. Arguing the study is wrong, that anyone that uses the study is wrong in all they say, is not helping anyone.
Analyzing Male Slavery, did you watch the video? I'm not remotely convinced the statistic is false but anyway, for the sake of argument...
I'm not quite sure how discussion of statistics on the number of victims of a crime could possibly be used against the suspect of a crime.
Obviously using statistics like this (irrelevant of their accuracy) in individual cases makes no sense but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be used in/to raise discussion of the issue.
My point is that dismissing the entire issue because you believe that one study on the matter is exaggerated is silly. The reason somone would use that statistic is to say rape is a problem, telling somone you believe that it's slightly less of a problem than they said - and then dismissing them outright as a liar because of this - is avoiding the discussion. 20% is a massive problem, slightly less than 20% is still a massive problem and action should always be taken to reduce rape anyway.
In answer to your question, I do have empathy for men, but I also have empathy for rape victims which is why I'm not arguing with people trying to reduce rape, based on them using facts that aren't even false.
Also is calling me a cunt really necessary?
is that the acceptable amount of rape, then?
Analyzing Male Slavery, I'm fairly sure threats of sexual assault are... Threats of sexual assault. I'm not entirely sure what there is to be confused about there. "I'll fucking rape you" would be an example of a threat of sexual assault.
The Stat sargon used didn't include unreported incidents so is also perhaps not entirely accurate.
The point I keep making is there is controversy about the precise statistics, but I don't care about that. They all say there is rape and sexual assault and a lot of feminists think this is a bad thing and want there to be less rape. I would also like there to be less rape. Calling people and entire movements liars, because they use a study you believe to be exaggerated, hinders their ability to actually try make change and reduce rape.
If you don't feel there is enough evidence of 'enough rape' for you to make any effort for change that is fine, but why do you need to actively hinder those that are?
SuccededHail97, I probably wouldn't use the statistic myself, as I've said there is controversy on its accuracy, however using that to construct a narrative that 'the femanists' or people trying to combat rape shouldn't be trusted and are liars, is counterproductive and doesn't help rape victims. Even the creators of the study say its not universally realavent, doesn't mean rape isn't a problem.
I never defended the study, i said using the fact the study is controversial to shut down any conversation on the matter is bad.
SuccededHail97, if that's the case then I'm very glad, my original comment wasn't aimed at people with your veiws then - rather people like Carl aka sargon that are trying to dismiss the whole thing entirely. Criticism of any movement is very important, thanks for the debate and have a good one.
It really, really says something when there are so many people saying “I’m so glad I grew out of my anti-feminist stage!”
I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say they were a feminist who converted to being an anti-feminist by “growing out of it.” That’s because most anti-feminists are mostly a bunch of edgy teenage boys who only watch reactionary CZcamsrs like Sargon to reaffirm their existing beliefs.
I remember when I used to hate Anita Sarkesian based solely on what these dumbass reactionaries had to say, even though I had never watched her video. And it’s crazy because her videos aren’t at all bad, I’m not gonna pretend I agree with everything she says, but she did not deserve even a fraction of the amount of hate she got. Her crime was that she voiced her opinions about video games, and I fell into the trap of hating her.
Ronak Deepak idk if you’ll answer this but - why do those teenage boys get so riled up over feminism?
@@reckonerwheel5336 Because they want to pretend that there is a secret feminist organization out to cut off their penises. Seriously, a lot of young boys look at feminism as a personal attack against themselves. Most of them don't want to admit that they have certain advantages because they are men, so they overreact and pretend that feminism is a stupid unreasonable movement filled with dumbasses. It all has to do with insecurity really, and convincing themselves that feminism is secretly out to oppress men make these young guys feel better about themselves. They convince themselves that THEY are the ones who are smart and know the truth about feminism.
Again, just look at Anita. I have never seen her say anything bad or hateful towards men, but she was pointing out sexism in video games. And that struck a chord with young boys who thought "Hey, this feminist is saying this video game is sexist! She must be saying I'm sexist!" Regardless of what you think of her opinions (a lot of the points she makes are actually quite reasonable), the fact that she garnered so much hate was telling of what these boys were really like. Hell, a lot of these people who review her videos have to edit them or talk about things out of context to make her seem crazy. But hey, if I can grow out of it, a lot of these boys can too.
@@reckonerwheel5336
They lack experience and are still naive.
Though, many remain so into higher age.
Fortunately I grew out of feminism stage. I just did not know enough about it, to see it is a toxic ideology. Sargon not being sloppy in making videoes changes nothing really.
Some of the first videos I watched on CZcams were Anita Sarkesian and Buzzfeed. I stopped watching because they were boring. The only real reactionary channel I watched was PragerU which I figured out in 2 weeks was conservative garbage. So liberal feminism was boring and conservatives are garbage. I suppose CZcams helped complete my radicalization... to the left
Sargon literally uses tactics I used in junior year of highschool to get out of actually reading. that is fucking hilarious.
Ok.
@@majav15mg okay?
@@majav15mg ok
I have to thank you a lot Hbomb, I used to be influenced by Thunderf00t and Sargon, and we need more people dunking on then with actual fax and logic
Can't believe like 2 weeks ago, I was taking this person who quite clearly can't read seriously. Truly I was big brained skeptic smashing feminism with my facts and logic. Cringe.
Anyone who tells you they can smash feminism is wrong. But anyone who thinks there aren't serious problems with how gender dynamics are discussed on the left are wrong as well.
@@Bradley_Lute elaborate. this is a big unsubstantiated claim youre making
@@mivicalthe fact that feminist discourse has largely operated outside the realm of evolutionary biology is a deadringer for how wrong it is in trying to ascribe intention to the behaviour of men and women. In fact, any science it involves itself with is to discredit the science of biology as it relates to humans. To a feminist, humans operate outside the realm of what biology can tell us about behaviour. Referring to leftist biologist Robert Sapolsky this is wrong. See his lecture series for more details. Particularly the first lecture or 10.
The blank slate theory of behaviour is also demonstrably wrong. In the nature vs nurture debate, neither one stands out as a clear explainer for any human behaviours. Twin studies show us this. Pronounced sex differences in Scandinavian countries who have had the biggest equality mandate ever also shows us this. Feminism discourse largely rests on BST to explain that almost all differences in economics between men and women are due to oppression.
Feminism is part of post modern thinking so no one body of intellectual work or set of cultural values should be more valuable than any other. And yet, western feminists commonly seek to export their superior values of gender relations to the world in an act of ideological imperialism. This is best exemplified by the American democrats.
Don’t worry dude, I was a cringy asshole too. We’re all redeemable. I use to be an anti-SJW and constantly said feminism was toxic and women had it good in western bla bla bla. I was an idiot. I started learning about the experience of women I personally knew and that’s when I realized that my mindset was awful. I felt ashamed.
@@Bradley_Lute i think youre assuming that feminism is monolothic in both realms of identity, policy and academic discourse. do you think democrat = feminist? theres a healthy disdain for white-branded feminism In our circles.
i have no clue what youre on abt for biology. it sounds like veers into TERF(see my first point) discourse.
Sargon and other CZcams "rational thinkers" are just silly at this point. They think their supposed "skepticism" somehow makes them magically brilliant and above being wrong, which is like the exact opposite of skepticism.
They got lazy and started making low effort videos.
funny how a lot of them happen to be atheists as well, another community where this same mentality happens to occur quite a bit
Listen...atheists are hilarious. Their internet persecution of anyone who believes in God as irrational and therefore unqualified to have an opinion is like...super Inquisition like. 15th Century Catholics would be proud
Grace Doctorwhomaniac Yeah absolutely, that is what skeptics do. The problem with sargon and a lot of similar, self-proclaimed "skeptics" on youtube, is that they actually resemble much more creationists and flat-earthers. No matter the fact, they have their beliefs. They are gonna cling to them. And they are gonna ignore, misrepresent, and ridicule any fact that threatens them, while making up their own 'facts' and arguing endlessly about how those are real which means they are right and nothing you can do will convince them otherwise.
trevon hood: What? Sure, some atheists do that but merely because you don't believe in a God doesn't mean that you're an idiot.
12:04 "so fucking dense that light passes around you"
This is a quality roast
I was at the time a anti-sjw
Then i became pan
Now i became sigma ligma ultra chad pansexual man
Oddly enough the longer i stayed away from anti-sjw the happier i became.
Yeah same. I was about 12 when I got shown these anti-sjw on youtube, who agreed with a lot of conservatives in my country, but the longer I didn't watch these videos, the less angry of a goblin I became
Feels kinda weird to see Biden talking about sexual harassment
Follow the money.
To be fair to Biden, he hasn’t sexuallyvassaulted anybody....yet (I’m also unaware of any skeletons in his closet from the past). But, he does have three things going against him. 1. A woman said that he clearly invaded his personal space (it might be two, I might be recalling that wrong.) 2. He jokes about that behavior. 3. He continues engaging with that behavior.
@@RemixedVoice dignity has no price tag
@Willem DaFuckedUp If anyone's a republican posing as a dem, then it's Tulsi.
Yeah just look at him and his granddaughter it's sickening
I'm still baffled by how Sargon thought that his petition would somehow change things. He even called himself and I presume his subscriber base a grassroots movement in his response to Libertarian Socialist Rants, despite the fact that an actual grassroots movement would take their message to the streets through protest, pamphlets, direct action, you know, anything that's been proven to be more effective than a fucking petition!
I may be wrong but i think he said the survey was not entirely meant to change things, but to see how many people agree with him.
What baffles me is how the comments from people who sign it.
Stuff like ''down with censorship'' and ''it's time to protect free speech''
Do they even care what words mean anymore?
Yeah, and in his response he read that book purposely wrong. It's like in some way he lies.
+Hipster Stalin It's almost as if Sargon has a form of dyslexia that affects his reading comprehension. Like he interprets passages in the opposite way they should be interpreted.
I argued with one of his fanboys in the comments. I even linked him to the entire intro to Sheth's book and he still insisted that Falguni Sheth was talking about enforcing discrimination instead of critiquing it XD
POV your a edge lord in 2017 with doubts about to have your world turned upside down.
I feel like most people were supporting anti-feminism at some point just cuz there are more people saying how feminism sucks for whatever stupid reason then people actually explaining why it's not a bad thing...so we do need more vids like this one for sure
Yeah it's kind of weird. I think it's just because of cultural norms which guide typical people into not understanding it and making a conservative movement more popular than it should be
Imagine living in the Ancient Times, establishing the first empire and becoming humanity's first emperor *only to be identified with a neckbeard right-wing grifter in the future.*
#CarlBenjaminShouldntBeSargon!
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I thought the Chinese is humanities 1st emperor?
#bringbacksargonsglory
You should have seen his transition from just a mediocre let's player into politics he is what you will get from all this confusion and anti-feminist/Feminist problem being forced in to someone who didn't give a shit until some person started targetting their hobby.
Chrono mancer Oh god, don’t even start that bullshit. Video games have influenced my life more than anything, even motivating my career, and I promise you feminism isn’t a threat to video games.
im sooo late to the party. When you first made this video I was deep inside the anti-sjw conservative echo chamber. years later now that I've truly educated myself, listened and researched the various perspectives on these social issues i now realize how i never even took the time to seriously watch these videos. I always just wrote them off as "liberal bullshit" thank you for making this video even if it's taken some of us years to listen.
Same boat here. Times have changed, and the answer to it is not Repubs or Democs, but something in between.
The answer to the question "Should we have hard right bullshit or soft right bullshit" isn't "something in between". Because you still end up with bullshit.
Why would you fall for that crap in the first place
High and tight
The fact that some of us needed a British dough boy to say that feminism isn't evil is proof that representation matters.
Nothing says "rational skeptic" quite like being too lazy to watch a 30 minutes video.
It also feels like these people don't actually hang out with women, because then they would know or at least notice an alarming percentage of women are subject to sexual assault. No survey needed.
I don't think there are a lot of women who will open up about being sexually assaulted to men who openly shame and/or guild-trip women who are sexually assaulted. So even if they do interact with women, they are most likely how some of the women in the comments here used to be before they grew out of that. They've probably either bullied all the feminists out of their lives or convinced them to become anti-feminists/tradwifes or something like that.
If someone comments here requesting that Hbomb debate Sargon of Akkad, drink.
Countdown until Sargon himself comes and posts a vaguely whiny comment starts... now.
Lol also take a shot every time someone mentions Anita Sarkaisan
Why do you want to kill me. That will be a LOT of shots!
But, we'll all die of alcohol poisoning if we do that.
But only very small sips, and with a lot of ice.
There’s not a single woman/trans person in my friend group who hasn’t been raped, assaulted, harassed, or in the “best” case, repeatedly catcalled since being a teen. Not one.
Same. There isn't a single femme presenting person on the face of the Earth that hasn't been sexually assaulted or at the very least harassed at some point in their life.
Yet so many dudes think it's a rare problem that is being blown out of proportion. Amazing how most people are incapable of perceiving anything outside of their thick skulls.
I can say similar thing about most grown up men I know. Three of them have been sexually assaulted by women, yes women. But because it's such a taboo, we as a society are blind to it. Oh and two of my friends are working all the time to pay their ex wives who do bugger all. That's justice that is.
@@itcouldbelupus2842 That's funny, something must be quite wrong in your countries then for that to be happening.
I've been studying at a university for about 5 and a half years now, and I haven't encountered a single case of sexual assault, verbal assault, or even catcalling coming from either side.
People are generally quite nice around here to one another, I'm quite proud of that.
@@TANKCHANCHAN Yeah, hate to break it to you bud, it's happening, only no one is comfortable telling you about it. Which country do you live in?
@@itcouldbelupus2842 Yeah, I highly doubt it. Here where I live (Poland, btw) University culture is way different than in the U.S or U.K. You don't have a "life" at a university, you aren't there to party, to drink, we don't even have any events or parties related with universities (or rather, we do have them, but most people ignore them.)
There aren't that many occasions where sexual assault could even happen. most of the time you're either in class, or at home, or at a rented apartment.
To those here who have changed, becoming someone better, thank you.
Not only is your change good, it makes the world safer for many like myself. Those I knew who were 'alpha males' who were antifeminist often gave me the Heeby jeebs. And honestly it feels horrible that people out there think that I don't function the way I do.
You're letting us women speak for ourselves, even if sometimes some of us are absolutely wrong. Men are raped too. We need to prevent it! And if we help women with rape, we can also help way more men. The more you grow, progress your views and dialogue, the more that we are all both safer, and happier. Including you.
Thank you. I hope you all have good fortune and of course good luck
Honestly, its nice to see some reformed right wing viewers here. I watched ben shaprio for a year when i was 14, and i stopped when i was 15 cause i figured out he was full of shit. I'm 18 now. It's interesting that a lot of people here share that experience.
It's creepy.
This is the video that started pulling me out of the anti-SJW pit. Thank Sobek for you and your commulist agenda, hbomberguy.
i love how kids are just saying that thinking people believe it.
@@oxipolin6832 huh?
@@oxipolin6832 - What, the Sobek part, or the "it's possible to grow out of being an insufferable prick who claims to believe in science but then argues against science at every turn and can't even read a fucking study they're trying to cite that actually contradicts their predetermined conclusion"?
Because Sobek is absolutely 100% totally real, you know.
@@KingBobXVI Everyday I thank Sobek for getting me out of my belief that horses are real
@@pedropradacarciofi2517 That's not a "fact," it's a spurious claim without evidence. You can likely point to *certain* people who call themselves feminists to do so. However, when there are many facts and studies that support claims of notable feminists, the number of purported feminists who rely on personal attacks does not matter. The claim being made by Sargon was that this one figure was a lie, and hbomberguy thoroughly explained why it was not a lie, and how inconsistent and laughable Sargon's "critique" was. The claim made was effectively refuted. You cannot say that the central claim was that feminists misinterpret data when the central claim was actually that a specific often-cited figure is a lie. That's called shifting goal-posts.
Hbomberguy's source list in his description literally saved Garrett's video from oblivion. Shortly after posting the Sargon video Garrett deleted his channel due to being fed up with all the toxic people coming to his videos. All the content was essentially lost, but Harris' description still has a direct link to the video, one that when put into the Wayback Machine leads you to an archived copy of the entire video. Had that source not been added that video would likely only exist through the short clips in this video.
Ben Phillips Deleted his channel, lol, what a bitch.
Lol u r de bich
Ben Phillips This is a good comment.
That's awful. I'd really like to subscribe to that guy.
I tried to find it via the Wayback machine but I couldn't.
3 years ago used to he a edgy anti-feminist
Now im questioning if im non binary or not
I used to be anti-feminist and hated woman, now I'm a bisexual trans woman, truly a big change
I hate modern feminism, it makes me dislike women, I don't want to dislike women! I just try and detach myself from this fucking absurd entanglement of political bullshit and reconnect with nature, this political shit doesn't even matter, just be a decent grounded person and make earth a better place.
I support women’s bodily autonomy and safety from male violence. I think trans theory completely ignores male Homo Sapiens tendency toward violence.
Ahh how nice to see you’re still anti-feminist by appropriating women’s culture and invading their safe space thanks m8 - a fellow anti feminist
Character arc
Bro devolved
1 in 5 HBomberGuy videos are disliked without being watched.
I used to be like the 'antifeminist' crown, Iv'e been going through all of hbomberguys videos and found that I'd disliked this without even fucking watching it a year ago, god I was such an arse
true character development ^
SURRRRRRRRRVEY
HOW TF does someone dislike a video without watching it? I mean, is there a way to dislike without adding to the viewcount? That ... that actually sounds like a hell of an exploit, now that i've written it out
Drakost stop the hbomberguy abuse
I remember it was back in 2015 or 2016 when I fell down the alt-right rabbit hole. My feeds were comprised of Turning Point USA and Ben Shapiro videos and stuff like that. However, events in my life changed my perspective. I realized all the flaws in my thinking and had to stop. Skip to present day and I’m an avid supporter of socialist reform, feminism and LGBTQ rights.
Nice
LGBTQ IS POGCHAMP YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH
Same, except socialism reform since I live in Europe and it's not as needed as it is in the US.
For context: here in Italy there are a lot of feminist programs to inform kids in school about feminist issues.
I think there may have been one to many of them because as a result of them I went into a rebellious phase anti feminism (of course 2015 CZcams helped this phase a lot).
It sickens me to think I was anti lgbt.
Thankfully I grew out of it before a close friend of mine came out so I was supportive.
@Amin Yashed BEING LGBTQ ??
@Amin Yashed Being gay... is a cult?
Philosophy tube: "put a pin in that"
Hbomberguy: "Keep that in mind for later, tuck that away in your...brain. Pockets. "
Lol i was just reading your comment when this came up
This video deradicalized me