Razorwing was one of the few times reusing a name made a lot of sense. I always thought the plane was named after the bird. That is actually good worldbuilding.
When the codex that you started an army with features on Codex Compliant Damn, time sure does pass Anyhow, BLACK HOLE IN A BOX is still my favorite bit of Vect lore
Malys as a character also has a softspot as well. Totally not clown-gifted and all that, shame she was relegated as kinda a side character for the Ynarii content and thus in part kinda forgotten with the Ynnead fluff.
Same, I inherited my brother's models back in the day when I was 7, but he didn't let me look in the codex for obvious reasons :P Still, that was when my love for miniature wargame hobbying really began.
I remember the what is now called the Community Website, had a whole build-up regarding the design of this codex' models. They had a nice in-depth interview with Jess Goodwin and Phil Kelly, beautiful sketches by Jess and I remember it just being particularly inspiring at the time. Good memories :)
American here. Can you perhaps talk loudly about felony convictions in a certain Manhattan courtroom this week? More than willing to buy you an adult beverage of your choice. Thanks!
Those were my first models. My older bro got the buff loyal space marines and I got the spindly bdsm elves. Now I’m a libertarian and he’s a teamster. 🧐
There are two kinds of Dark Eldar players, those who got the models in the box and got hammered, and those who got the models in the box and got hammered, then went on to learn how to play them out of spite and build an army to come back and take those pesky slow moving space marines in chains back to commorragh.
Them getting a nice update after being ignored for so long is an understatement. By 4th edition Dark Eldar were not available in store, I remember spending my time in a GW and reading the codices (ours had opened ones you could read) and never seeing any Dark Eldar. I had heard of them, but never seen them, I think only one of the employees at the store had played them (back when GW stores had multiple employees and not just one). By 5th ed at some point, you could no longer order any Dark Eldar models and I remember reading a story from a guy who said that he was interested in them but that the manager told him that they were basically getting squatted. Then this book and models dropped, and completely 180'd the situation. I didn't see it firsthand as I had stopped playing by that point, but when I came back in I've encountered them all the time. They're not SM common, but now they're up there with Tau as a commonly played faction. It cannot be overstated how this book and range re-fresh saved the faction., if it had flopped then Dark Eldar would have just been squatted, never to be seen again.
What's even more crazy is that during 3rd. and 4th., Dark Eldar were arguably the best faction in the game. Amidst las/plas marines, Nidzilla, mech Eldar, mech Tau, and other popular compositions in that meta, Dark Eldar could easily table their opponents by turn 3 (during an edition where tabling your opponent by turn 7 was already a difficult task). Their main drawback was against horde armies where shredders, lances, etc. didn't deliver enough shots. Other than that, the amount of speed within the 3rd. Edition codex allowed them to do refused flanks against other fast armies. This meant Dark Eldar players could lay down the full 1,750 points of their army against their opponents' armies in smaller sections. Dark Eldar would delete one section of the board before quickly moving onto the next. Meanwhile, the opponent was scrambling to try and get their units in range to actually do something. Complete glass cannons, though. One of the best players in my shop who constantly won tournaments started a Dark Eldar army and spent around six months playing at least two games on each game night several days out of the week. It took him something like 125 games before he finally won a single game. Once he learned how to properly use webway portals, the worst he would do with his Dark Eldar was draw.
Yeah this must've been GWs creatively best range refresh to date, both lore and models were great and while I liked the classic Deldar models these are awesome as well.
@@nekrataali Absolutely this, you summed it up perfectly. The speed and re-deployment potential was insane and so underrated. I only played casually but i used to love being underestimated anytime i played someone new, and the looks when they realised half of their army no longer had anything to shoot at.
Dark Eldar have been my wife's army since 4th. Despite being sad that the Incubi lost their shooty helms, she has enjoyed unleashing terror against our friends for years now.
The day this came out, we were coincidentally at WW. I got chatting to a nice staff man in the shop about Space Marine physiognomy and he seemed very happy to discuss how post-humans 'worked.' Good discussion. As we left, Jim turned to me: 'That was Jez Goodwin.' 🤣
Years ago I did a comunity vote on Warseer ( gezz, remeber that forum ? I feel old :P ) asking people wich ( and why ) GW codecies they think were best ones. 5th ed Dark Eldar got A LOT of votes, landing in the end on 2nd place, not far behind from winner, 3.5 ed CSM codex. So yep, quite a few people liked it.
I think it was this Codex that I used when noodling together some rules for a version of Necromunda set in Commorragh. I really should dig out those rules one of these days and try updating them.
One thing I always liked with the revamped Dark Eldar range was that it’s completely compatible with the 3rd edition rage. I’ve had hours of fun mixing the two ranges and it always looks great. Points to the model designers.
Except for Incubi, who lost the ability to use their guns. I always see metal Incubi with special weapons when checking second hand retailers. I suppose you could field them in modern day as weird Kabalites. But it just seems like a shame.
10:18 GW "Well of course we got rid of named characters we needed to make room for the real stars which the Dark Eldar fans hankered for. Primaris Lieutenants. ...What do you mean that doesn't make sense?"
This book is still my favourite translation of lore to the tabletop. My Dark Eldar played exactly like they were depicted in every novel and codex blurb, a feat only shared by Necrons and Space Wolves of that era, imo. I miss those days 😢
I think people often underestimate just how large the portion is of the Dark Eldar circulatory system that consists entirely out of combat drugs xD fr tho, it's an insane stat line and I love it.
I loved how different HQ's made a large impact on what units were troops and how the army played. the codex I found had a lot of flavor and I preferred just how many unique armies you could make out of this codex.
It's one of my favorite codex if all time, both 3 and 5th, but 5th especially. The 3rd ed, though, was hilarious as one of the first books released as it in the cover said it is not for beginners. Yet it was an army in the starter. A starter, which was so one-sided in favor of the marines it was not funny. But yes, I loved the grenades that when hot with one would make you explode. Or the rules about taking slaves as additional victory points and hit and run campaigns.
In 10 years of playing Dark Eldar around 3rd - 5th i never once met another Dark Eldar player. I was so elated when this codex came out though, basically everything that the previous had but better and more. It was such a flimsy army on paper but the advantage was huge particularly when people didn't really know what they were up against. Really one of the best definitions of a glass cannon ever. (Also kinda scary that the algorithm served up what was absolute peak 40k for me lol).
Dark Eldar 5th was one of my favorite codexes, ever. It was infinitely flexible with so many cool tricks to really show off good play that it makes me look at modern indexes and codexes and just sigh at what we lost.
One thing i always found interesting about this book was how Grotesques became Wracks and then they made a new model called a Grotesque that was big. Interesting change. As an aside i must applaud you for avoiding the temptation to call Vect "ass dribble". I certainly wouldn't have been so tactful.
This was an interesting codex as it came out near the end of 5th and was actually quite strong in 6th and 7th until Deldar got their 7th Ed book. I've always felt like more could be done with them. Thank you for a nice retrospective.
I'm so happy for Zodgrod's return, specifically because he demonstrates just how nostalgic GW's designers can be of their own idea. He's by no mean a character people would be hyped about after nearly 30 years of absence, he wasn't a particularly interesting design or anything, and yet he dropped from absolutely nowhere. Thanks for that Zodgrod.
I always felt the "We do slannesh things, but this keeps slannesh away and we are totally not slannesh." was a plot contrivance at best for DE not being Chaos Eldar. I would've had the Dark Eldar as puppets of slannesh without knowing it.
You're looking at it wrong. The Dark Eldar *pretend* that they like what they do, but in truth, the gnawing hunger they feel is their greatest shame, and they lack the mental discipline of the Craftworlders and Exodites to cope with it. It's like a trauma survivor who copes by over-indulging in self-destructive behaviour.
@@Donnerbalken28 Personally, I think it's a bit of both. On the one hand, the Drukhari "have" to do what they do, whether they like it or not. (At least, if they can't or don't want to follow a different path). On the other hand, the nature of their society means Sadism is a trait that gets cultivated and rewarded. Any Dark Eldar that wants to survive in their cutthroat system built on pain and exploitation has to either enjoy what they do, dissociate from their actions, or suffer quietly. And people who enjoy it have better mental and physical health, and so probably last longer. Play this out over a long enough timeline, and Drukhari society is kind of designed to mold their population into a society of vile bastards. Whether they enjoy it or not.
Chaos Eldar are in fact a thing and are completely different/separate from the Drukhari, though the Drukhari openly interacts and even trades with them. They're predominantly featured in the Atlas Infernal novel by Rob Sanders.
@@cleeiii357 Also by my understanding, most Chaos Eldar originate from croneworlds that got stuck in the Eye of Terror, and turn to the other three gods to try and avoid Slaanesh in their own way. With like... a miniscule number of eldar embracing Slaanesh's tenants and trying to speedrun princedom and escape devouring to help explain things like N'kari backstory in a 40k sense.
A character I wrote (but sadly never got to play) for the Rogue Trader ttrpg was a Dark Eldar who actively shied away from other Dark Eldar and just wanted to live a quiet life (by DE standards) away from Commorragh, trying not to think about the things they did there. The things *he* did there. The things he still had to do even now to survive in his self-exile. He was trying to find a way to become something better than his allotted fate. It was a fun character.
A very pleasant romp through the seedy alleyways splintering off from Memory Lane, it's fun to see how my starting faction I inherited from my brother (I was 7 at the time, I turned out fine) have grown over the years. Well done! ^^ Also very happy to see that Snipe's recovered their voice properly, it's always a bother to be without it.
I have a fond memory of this book coming out. Me and my bestie was in the a hobby store, the bestie was reading it, and scream in terror either by the images or reading the rules. (can't remember which.) But that scream was so funny, it kinda burn into my mind as something to laugh at.
I'm well pleased with this look into the Dark Eldar 5h ed. codex. The original Dark Eldar models and codex were OK, but the way this army was re-envisioned and revitalized with this book is remarkable, with an accompanying model range which still looks great to this day.
Got to agree with you on the lack of hobby section in newer editions (and given 5th falls under ‘new’ in that statement, guess that shows how old I’m getting…guess I really should stop procrastinating and get back to working on stuff for playing tOW 👴🏻). With no hobby section the books feel a little sterile and lacklustre, even though production values have gone up otherwise. I think GW dropping it from their books is largely a result of a shift in ideology within the company and them not wanting to encourage conversions too enthusiastically as doing so results in people looking outside the GW biosphere for resources to use for those conversions. A shift that’s continued to the point that these days it feels like GW really want you to use things out of the box assembled as is with no conversion work whatsoever, which just feels so lacking to me; yeah minis now are more dynamic than they used to be, but that loses its effect when you need multiples of the same kit and end up with three guys in the exact same very specific action pose. Say what you will about the old regimented rank and file units in WHFB/tOW, but the way those kits were/are constructed gave you the flexibility to easily make slight variations so that the repetition wasn’t so in your face (plus the similarity in poses between minis in a unit works better for ranked up stuff than skirmishing units like in 40k and AoS). Edit: I should also say that I haven’t bought a White Dwarf in a few years, so maybe the more creative side of the hobby is pushed there more and I’m just unaware of it due to not buying it.
I cancelled my subscription a few months ago. The creative sections of modern White Dwarf are a brief look at models readers submitted and articles about painting. I thought it was all well and good, but I came across a few issues from 1991 last summer. It was like stepping out of Plato's cave when I read one of the "make your own terrain" articles.
5th ed was my original edition, so this really brings me back! Always wanted to play Dark Eldar but never got around to it (i would also rather die than call them drukhari, sorry gw)
Aw yeah! Fifth edition was my shit. I remember trying to decide if I should start a dark elder or an elder army and ending up choosing elder but thinking I should have picked dark elder because those Raider models looked so damn cool.
This is the first time you;ve covered a codex that I'm actually pretty familiar with. Not because I played when 5th was the current edition, but because my play group decided to try an older edition, and 5th was what we landed on. While I will agree the color sections aren't as interesting to look through as earlier codexes there are some 5th codexes with pretty decent color sections like for the Space Wolves 5th ed codex there's a really useful section that goes over the iconography and different patterns for Wolf Packs.
Funniest thing to do in 5th edition Dark Eldar. Get a Raider with a Prow, Aethersails, and Flicker Field. Prow makes ramming with the raider very likely to kill and you get bonus Str on the ram based on distance traveled. Was not uncommon to do 26-28 inches and slam into a Land Raider. You hit the target with stupid strength and pen, blowing it up. You then roll your 5++ invul save from Flicker Field and save against the hit from your own ramming maneuver. Another fun one was I played against Imperial guard once who deployed on the table edge in a corner to try and give his guys more time to shoot me. Stole the init with Vect, and then proceeded to fly like 30ish inches into his line and tank shock off the vast majority of his force off the board. One of the fastest games of 40k I ever won, right up there with my opponent losing half his army to off the board deep strikes.
Ahhh, Dark Eldar in 5th edition. I didn't play them myself, but I recall the local DE player getting very nervous about the 5th edition codex release once word got out. The codexes prior in that edition weren't very well received in my group, Robin Cruddace and Matt Ward were cursed weekly, if not daily.
I remember when this came out! I was on a childs budget at the time so I didn't get to explore it, and I've always been curious about their transformation. Excited for this video!
Great vid as always, cheers for the trip down memory lane 😊. Honestly 2010-2011 was such a great year to be in the hobby. The sheer hype and energy everyone felt around the new Dark Eldar release was almost palpable. So glad I was part of the community back then. God the Forums were going wild in anticipation 😂. Was also great to actually meet Phill Kelly at Warhammer World. Games Workshop held a vig event there the same year the codex came out - back in the day you'd actually get to talk to the writers and artists behind the new books - getting to hear Phil talk about what inspired him RE. the new design for Raiders and Talos, hearing 1st hand about how much R&D they did to make rhe new ball-socket flying stands work, etc. Such a privilege and I'm glad we had it. Same fir the sheer amount of lore and full pages of unbroken text you got in 5th ed codexes. Way more than you get nowadays. Makes all the 10th ed codexes look obsolete and half vaked by comparison. Reall6 is no need to buy them if you've already got the 5th ed codex and wahpedia (one gor lore/ art and obe for latest rules)
I've never really had much to do with the Dark Eldar so this was a great way to hear about what they were in a period of 40k history that I also missed. Plus the Cybernoid music is a classic tune!
I am very much enjoying seeing the 5th ed codexes looked at, I know nostalgia bias is huge, but I love this era of codexes. Feels a good middle ground between the 3rd ed Wonkyness and Fun and the 8th ed "balanced game" style.
My fav army for 40k and this was my first and last codex for them. I went full wytches with some specialized elites. It was fun to get bazzilions of attacks and 4+ spceial save in HTH :P
Thank you for the video. I started a Drukhari army just earlier this year and this gave me some good perspective. I really hope that the 10th Edition release for the faction will be good. Besides Vect himself, the Homunculi section of the faction also needs a rework and seems like they are getting one, given that Grotesques actually can't be purchased at the moment.
Oh man, I remember this coming out. It was a shock to the system, I was so used to them being a relic of 3rd ed. Their antiquity was almost a comforting constant--but it was a super cool update for sure.
It was also around this time when artwork inside many codices were black and white iterations of color originals and printed WAY too dark. Near silhouettes at times.
5th edition was, indeed, 40k's peak in many ways. The base rules were the best and most fun they've ever been, and the factions felt as they should, for the most part. Then came that edition's Codex Chaos Space Marines, and it all went downhill from there.
I dunno if it's too niche for this niche series, I'd love a 4th edition black templars codex. They were my army of choice back in 5th edition with Preferred enemy EVERYTHING
I collected Dark Eldar in 6th edition and allied them with my small Iyanden force, it was a really fun and fluffy time (though my one wave serpent was doing most of the work). I really miss the 5e codex characters that didn't ever get models - I made a Baron Sathonyx model including the farseer skull, and was really into Lady Malys. She'll probably never get a model now that Yvraine's here which I'm very sad about. Hopefully Vect comes back in 10th and DE get a few more plastic options, so much of their range is still the 5e models. They still hold up as some of the best designed models GW's ever made imo, but they've gotten zero actual new units/datasheets since then, merely plastic releases of older finecast models. And they've still got the whole Court of the Archon and Beastmaster stuff in finecast! They really need a new unit of some kind to spice them up.
I've been putting together an Eldar corsair army for 5th edition for a while. I got some Kabalite Warriors to mix in, but they're cool enough I have to stop myself from getting more Dark Eldar. I really should finish some projects before starting more...
Zodgrod Wortsnagga's return is less surprising than Makari surviving being sat on by Ghazza And it's a more insulting return, given we haven't seen Nazdreg since THIRD EDITION!
Razorwing was one of the few times reusing a name made a lot of sense. I always thought the plane was named after the bird. That is actually good worldbuilding.
Sounds like an 80's hair metal band to me :)
@@vattmann1387 I wouldn't be surprised if there's some band out there called Razorwing that didn't take off, which would be ironic.
I came here to say this
The Razorwing was actually designed by G'Thar Razor, famed Dark Eldar engineer and ornithologist.
@@RustBot42 there was a progressive death metal band from Canada called that according to Metal Archives
Glad that Snipe's throat is no longer being tortured by tiny, dark, pain-loving eldar.
this continues to be my favorite miniature-related youtube channel.
Mine to, snipe n wib rule!!
When the codex that you started an army with features on Codex Compliant
Damn, time sure does pass
Anyhow, BLACK HOLE IN A BOX is still my favorite bit of Vect lore
Malys as a character also has a softspot as well. Totally not clown-gifted and all that, shame she was relegated as kinda a side character for the Ynarii content and thus in part kinda forgotten with the Ynnead fluff.
I heard that was your mum's box @@gratuitouslurking8610
Same, I inherited my brother's models back in the day when I was 7, but he didn't let me look in the codex for obvious reasons :P
Still, that was when my love for miniature wargame hobbying really began.
I feel old
And Snipe looking healthy and great. Great to have the ‘posh ‘n’ Becs’ of 40k back!
I’ve always assumed Commorraugh rhymes with Sodom & Gomorrah for obvious reasons
I'd be intrigued to go to the Meat Market hedonism club currently hosted by DJ Autarch Power-Bottom presently
I remember the what is now called the Community Website, had a whole build-up regarding the design of this codex' models. They had a nice in-depth interview with Jess Goodwin and Phil Kelly, beautiful sketches by Jess and I remember it just being particularly inspiring at the time. Good memories :)
That series of articles and videos was a masterclass in building excitement for a release
Was literally talking about Codex Compliant about a minute ago, and behold, The Lore Gods provide! All praise Snipe and Wib
American here. Can you perhaps talk loudly about felony convictions in a certain Manhattan courtroom this week? More than willing to buy you an adult beverage of your choice. Thanks!
@@KevinNHaw not really qualified, nor inclined to weigh in on another countries issues
I wonder how many people remember Dark Eldar were the obligatory space marine punching bags in the 3rd edition starter set...
Those were my first models. My older bro got the buff loyal space marines and I got the spindly bdsm elves.
Now I’m a libertarian and he’s a teamster. 🧐
There are two kinds of Dark Eldar players, those who got the models in the box and got hammered, and those who got the models in the box and got hammered, then went on to learn how to play them out of spite and build an army to come back and take those pesky slow moving space marines in chains back to commorragh.
"Into skulls in a way that seems obsessive even by 40k standards" is objectively the funniest way you could put that, thank you.
If Lady Malys returns into the game, I'm starting a Drukhari army.
I'm still waiting for a Lady Malys mini.
I kitbashed a Lady Malys myself back in 5th, with her blade fan and demon blade, hope she and Vect get rules again
I miss good ol'Duke Slicus
Them getting a nice update after being ignored for so long is an understatement. By 4th edition Dark Eldar were not available in store, I remember spending my time in a GW and reading the codices (ours had opened ones you could read) and never seeing any Dark Eldar. I had heard of them, but never seen them, I think only one of the employees at the store had played them (back when GW stores had multiple employees and not just one). By 5th ed at some point, you could no longer order any Dark Eldar models and I remember reading a story from a guy who said that he was interested in them but that the manager told him that they were basically getting squatted.
Then this book and models dropped, and completely 180'd the situation. I didn't see it firsthand as I had stopped playing by that point, but when I came back in I've encountered them all the time. They're not SM common, but now they're up there with Tau as a commonly played faction. It cannot be overstated how this book and range re-fresh saved the faction., if it had flopped then Dark Eldar would have just been squatted, never to be seen again.
As someone who wandered into Warhammer sometime during late 8th ed 40K, the Dark Eldar almost being extinct sounds really weird to me.
What's even more crazy is that during 3rd. and 4th., Dark Eldar were arguably the best faction in the game. Amidst las/plas marines, Nidzilla, mech Eldar, mech Tau, and other popular compositions in that meta, Dark Eldar could easily table their opponents by turn 3 (during an edition where tabling your opponent by turn 7 was already a difficult task).
Their main drawback was against horde armies where shredders, lances, etc. didn't deliver enough shots. Other than that, the amount of speed within the 3rd. Edition codex allowed them to do refused flanks against other fast armies. This meant Dark Eldar players could lay down the full 1,750 points of their army against their opponents' armies in smaller sections. Dark Eldar would delete one section of the board before quickly moving onto the next. Meanwhile, the opponent was scrambling to try and get their units in range to actually do something.
Complete glass cannons, though. One of the best players in my shop who constantly won tournaments started a Dark Eldar army and spent around six months playing at least two games on each game night several days out of the week. It took him something like 125 games before he finally won a single game. Once he learned how to properly use webway portals, the worst he would do with his Dark Eldar was draw.
Yeah this must've been GWs creatively best range refresh to date, both lore and models were great and while I liked the classic Deldar models these are awesome as well.
@@nekrataali Absolutely this, you summed it up perfectly. The speed and re-deployment potential was insane and so underrated. I only played casually but i used to love being underestimated anytime i played someone new, and the looks when they realised half of their army no longer had anything to shoot at.
I love when Vect said "It's Kabaling Time" and Kabalited all over people.
Dark Eldar have been my wife's army since 4th. Despite being sad that the Incubi lost their shooty helms, she has enjoyed unleashing terror against our friends for years now.
Nice.
Oubliettes and Dark Eldar just go well together. That's why they're in the Warhammer Horror novel _The Oubliette_
The day this came out, we were coincidentally at WW. I got chatting to a nice staff man in the shop about Space Marine physiognomy and he seemed very happy to discuss how post-humans 'worked.' Good discussion.
As we left, Jim turned to me: 'That was Jez Goodwin.'
🤣
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I like how snip's hair looks in this video
Years ago I did a comunity vote on Warseer ( gezz, remeber that forum ? I feel old :P ) asking people wich ( and why ) GW codecies they think were best ones. 5th ed Dark Eldar got A LOT of votes, landing in the end on 2nd place, not far behind from winner, 3.5 ed CSM codex. So yep, quite a few people liked it.
I think it was this Codex that I used when noodling together some rules for a version of Necromunda set in Commorragh. I really should dig out those rules one of these days and try updating them.
Oh that sounds *awesome!* Please do share if you find them!
I think the closest GW ever did to that was that board game where it was Hellions vs Jetbike Wytches. Which honestly is a damn shame.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 yeah, that was a great first draft for a game. A bit like the Ork speed freaks board game whose name escapes me right now.
One thing I always liked with the revamped Dark Eldar range was that it’s completely compatible with the 3rd edition rage. I’ve had hours of fun mixing the two ranges and it always looks great. Points to the model designers.
Except for Incubi, who lost the ability to use their guns. I always see metal Incubi with special weapons when checking second hand retailers.
I suppose you could field them in modern day as weird Kabalites. But it just seems like a shame.
@@Bluecho4 true. I should qualify by saying the plastic models not the metal ones. Though, I’ve had hours of fun painting them too.
10:18 GW "Well of course we got rid of named characters we needed to make room for the real stars which the Dark Eldar fans hankered for. Primaris Lieutenants. ...What do you mean that doesn't make sense?"
This book is still my favourite translation of lore to the tabletop. My Dark Eldar played exactly like they were depicted in every novel and codex blurb, a feat only shared by Necrons and Space Wolves of that era, imo.
I miss those days 😢
Lelith's profile had me pause the video for a sec
NINE WS
If she took that statline into Horus Heresy 2.0, she could outfight nearly EVERY PRIMARCH
I think people often underestimate just how large the portion is of the Dark Eldar circulatory system that consists entirely out of combat drugs xD
fr tho, it's an insane stat line and I love it.
It's my birthday and then you upload a Codex Compliant of my favorite codex of all time. This really is great.
I loved how different HQ's made a large impact on what units were troops and how the army played. the codex I found had a lot of flavor and I preferred just how many unique armies you could make out of this codex.
5th Ed dark eldar may have been the first "serious" army project I undertook and quickly abandoned. Still have the Codex, though.
It's one of my favorite codex if all time, both 3 and 5th, but 5th especially. The 3rd ed, though, was hilarious as one of the first books released as it in the cover said it is not for beginners. Yet it was an army in the starter. A starter, which was so one-sided in favor of the marines it was not funny. But yes, I loved the grenades that when hot with one would make you explode. Or the rules about taking slaves as additional victory points and hit and run campaigns.
In 10 years of playing Dark Eldar around 3rd - 5th i never once met another Dark Eldar player. I was so elated when this codex came out though, basically everything that the previous had but better and more. It was such a flimsy army on paper but the advantage was huge particularly when people didn't really know what they were up against. Really one of the best definitions of a glass cannon ever. (Also kinda scary that the algorithm served up what was absolute peak 40k for me lol).
the special characters in this book were truly amazing + unique, but all fitted the DE ethos perfectly.
Ancient is a rank equivalent to ensign, meaning standard bearer, or chap with the flag. See Othello by Shakespeare. I dunno if GW know this.
They seem to based on space marine ancients, who seem to universally be flag-bearers. Unsure if it's necessarily what they meant here, though.
That Pedro gag was
Dark Eldar 5th was one of my favorite codexes, ever. It was infinitely flexible with so many cool tricks to really show off good play that it makes me look at modern indexes and codexes and just sigh at what we lost.
One thing i always found interesting about this book was how Grotesques became Wracks and then they made a new model called a Grotesque that was big. Interesting change. As an aside i must applaud you for avoiding the temptation to call Vect "ass dribble". I certainly wouldn't have been so tactful.
My favourite codex of all time, it got me into 40k and the dark eldar, who remain my exclusive army to this day. Great video.
I’m glad Snipe is feeling better! I love the nostalgia of something I never got to experience ❤.
This was an interesting codex as it came out near the end of 5th and was actually quite strong in 6th and 7th until Deldar got their 7th Ed book.
I've always felt like more could be done with them.
Thank you for a nice retrospective.
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I'm so happy for Zodgrod's return, specifically because he demonstrates just how nostalgic GW's designers can be of their own idea.
He's by no mean a character people would be hyped about after nearly 30 years of absence, he wasn't a particularly interesting design or anything, and yet he dropped from absolutely nowhere.
Thanks for that Zodgrod.
My day just got better!
Right when I'm back into the 40k rabbit hole, you lads release a new Codex Compliant ! I feel like this is art
All the best to both Snipe and Wib. Thanks for another fun peek back in to the fog of eons gone past.
I always felt the "We do slannesh things, but this keeps slannesh away and we are totally not slannesh." was a plot contrivance at best for DE not being Chaos Eldar. I would've had the Dark Eldar as puppets of slannesh without knowing it.
You're looking at it wrong. The Dark Eldar *pretend* that they like what they do, but in truth, the gnawing hunger they feel is their greatest shame, and they lack the mental discipline of the Craftworlders and Exodites to cope with it. It's like a trauma survivor who copes by over-indulging in self-destructive behaviour.
@@Donnerbalken28 Personally, I think it's a bit of both. On the one hand, the Drukhari "have" to do what they do, whether they like it or not. (At least, if they can't or don't want to follow a different path). On the other hand, the nature of their society means Sadism is a trait that gets cultivated and rewarded. Any Dark Eldar that wants to survive in their cutthroat system built on pain and exploitation has to either enjoy what they do, dissociate from their actions, or suffer quietly. And people who enjoy it have better mental and physical health, and so probably last longer.
Play this out over a long enough timeline, and Drukhari society is kind of designed to mold their population into a society of vile bastards. Whether they enjoy it or not.
Chaos Eldar are in fact a thing and are completely different/separate from the Drukhari, though the Drukhari openly interacts and even trades with them. They're predominantly featured in the Atlas Infernal novel by Rob Sanders.
@@cleeiii357 Also by my understanding, most Chaos Eldar originate from croneworlds that got stuck in the Eye of Terror, and turn to the other three gods to try and avoid Slaanesh in their own way. With like... a miniscule number of eldar embracing Slaanesh's tenants and trying to speedrun princedom and escape devouring to help explain things like N'kari backstory in a 40k sense.
A character I wrote (but sadly never got to play) for the Rogue Trader ttrpg was a Dark Eldar who actively shied away from other Dark Eldar and just wanted to live a quiet life (by DE standards) away from Commorragh, trying not to think about the things they did there. The things *he* did there. The things he still had to do even now to survive in his self-exile.
He was trying to find a way to become something better than his allotted fate.
It was a fun character.
New codex complaint the second my lunch break stars? Baller
A very pleasant romp through the seedy alleyways splintering off from Memory Lane, it's fun to see how my starting faction I inherited from my brother (I was 7 at the time, I turned out fine) have grown over the years. Well done! ^^
Also very happy to see that Snipe's recovered their voice properly, it's always a bother to be without it.
I have a fond memory of this book coming out. Me and my bestie was in the a hobby store, the bestie was reading it, and scream in terror either by the images or reading the rules. (can't remember which.) But that scream was so funny, it kinda burn into my mind as something to laugh at.
I'm well pleased with this look into the Dark Eldar 5h ed. codex. The original Dark Eldar models and codex were OK, but the way this army was re-envisioned and revitalized with this book is remarkable, with an accompanying model range which still looks great to this day.
Got to agree with you on the lack of hobby section in newer editions (and given 5th falls under ‘new’ in that statement, guess that shows how old I’m getting…guess I really should stop procrastinating and get back to working on stuff for playing tOW 👴🏻). With no hobby section the books feel a little sterile and lacklustre, even though production values have gone up otherwise. I think GW dropping it from their books is largely a result of a shift in ideology within the company and them not wanting to encourage conversions too enthusiastically as doing so results in people looking outside the GW biosphere for resources to use for those conversions. A shift that’s continued to the point that these days it feels like GW really want you to use things out of the box assembled as is with no conversion work whatsoever, which just feels so lacking to me; yeah minis now are more dynamic than they used to be, but that loses its effect when you need multiples of the same kit and end up with three guys in the exact same very specific action pose. Say what you will about the old regimented rank and file units in WHFB/tOW, but the way those kits were/are constructed gave you the flexibility to easily make slight variations so that the repetition wasn’t so in your face (plus the similarity in poses between minis in a unit works better for ranked up stuff than skirmishing units like in 40k and AoS).
Edit: I should also say that I haven’t bought a White Dwarf in a few years, so maybe the more creative side of the hobby is pushed there more and I’m just unaware of it due to not buying it.
I cancelled my subscription a few months ago. The creative sections of modern White Dwarf are a brief look at models readers submitted and articles about painting. I thought it was all well and good, but I came across a few issues from 1991 last summer. It was like stepping out of Plato's cave when I read one of the "make your own terrain" articles.
5th ed was my original edition, so this really brings me back! Always wanted to play Dark Eldar but never got around to it (i would also rather die than call them drukhari, sorry gw)
There's still time to join the Dark Kin...
Snipe and Wip >>>>>>>>>>>>
One of the best redesigns in the history of GW imho
My 1999 starter army... the change in models and rules after so long blew my mind when it finally happened
Didn’t realise the “I’ve got minis to paint” sticker was one of yours, I’ve ordered a few now, a perfect gift for pals …
Aahh fifth edition. When dad and i started playing and my life long obsession was cemented. Still have my old fifth codexes
Aw yeah! Fifth edition was my shit. I remember trying to decide if I should start a dark elder or an elder army and ending up choosing elder but thinking I should have picked dark elder because those Raider models looked so damn cool.
Feeling much older now that you’ve featured this codex !
You both are right: The conversion pages in the older codices were the best!
Ta for the great vid as ever! Nostalgic for this one, new dark eldar was when I first started played as but a wee lad.
As always the absolute best warhammer content on the internet
This is the first time you;ve covered a codex that I'm actually pretty familiar with. Not because I played when 5th was the current edition, but because my play group decided to try an older edition, and 5th was what we landed on. While I will agree the color sections aren't as interesting to look through as earlier codexes there are some 5th codexes with pretty decent color sections like for the Space Wolves 5th ed codex there's a really useful section that goes over the iconography and different patterns for Wolf Packs.
Funniest thing to do in 5th edition Dark Eldar. Get a Raider with a Prow, Aethersails, and Flicker Field. Prow makes ramming with the raider very likely to kill and you get bonus Str on the ram based on distance traveled. Was not uncommon to do 26-28 inches and slam into a Land Raider. You hit the target with stupid strength and pen, blowing it up. You then roll your 5++ invul save from Flicker Field and save against the hit from your own ramming maneuver.
Another fun one was I played against Imperial guard once who deployed on the table edge in a corner to try and give his guys more time to shoot me. Stole the init with Vect, and then proceeded to fly like 30ish inches into his line and tank shock off the vast majority of his force off the board. One of the fastest games of 40k I ever won, right up there with my opponent losing half his army to off the board deep strikes.
Ahhh, Dark Eldar in 5th edition. I didn't play them myself, but I recall the local DE player getting very nervous about the 5th edition codex release once word got out. The codexes prior in that edition weren't very well received in my group, Robin Cruddace and Matt Ward were cursed weekly, if not daily.
Excellent trip down memory lane.
tbh 5th edition codex was major fun i started with it in 6th edition and it was a blast when wasnt against outpowercrept stuff like 6th tau
I remember when this came out! I was on a childs budget at the time so I didn't get to explore it, and I've always been curious about their transformation. Excited for this video!
One of my favorite codexes for Dark Eldar! Love the flavor and characters
Welcome Back Friends!!!! Snipe your hair looks great!!!
Oh cool, it's a new Snipe and Wib Codex Compliant!
Dark Eldar were my first army. That 5th Ed codex was my first
Great vid as always, cheers for the trip down memory lane 😊.
Honestly 2010-2011 was such a great year to be in the hobby. The sheer hype and energy everyone felt around the new Dark Eldar release was almost palpable. So glad I was part of the community back then. God the Forums were going wild in anticipation 😂.
Was also great to actually meet Phill Kelly at Warhammer World. Games Workshop held a vig event there the same year the codex came out - back in the day you'd actually get to talk to the writers and artists behind the new books - getting to hear Phil talk about what inspired him RE. the new design for Raiders and Talos, hearing 1st hand about how much R&D they did to make rhe new ball-socket flying stands work, etc.
Such a privilege and I'm glad we had it.
Same fir the sheer amount of lore and full pages of unbroken text you got in 5th ed codexes. Way more than you get nowadays. Makes all the 10th ed codexes look obsolete and half vaked by comparison. Reall6 is no need to buy them if you've already got the 5th ed codex and wahpedia (one gor lore/ art and obe for latest rules)
Fluff heavy, or... fluffy!
Sorry to hear Snipe's been unwell; hope they're feeling better now.
Hekatrix bloodbrides. Too soon Wib, too soon.
I've never really had much to do with the Dark Eldar so this was a great way to hear about what they were in a period of 40k history that I also missed. Plus the Cybernoid music is a classic tune!
I am very much enjoying seeing the 5th ed codexes looked at, I know nostalgia bias is huge, but I love this era of codexes. Feels a good middle ground between the 3rd ed Wonkyness and Fun and the 8th ed "balanced game" style.
My fav army for 40k and this was my first and last codex for them. I went full wytches with some specialized elites. It was fun to get bazzilions of attacks and 4+ spceial save in HTH :P
Thank you for the video. I started a Drukhari army just earlier this year and this gave me some good perspective.
I really hope that the 10th Edition release for the faction will be good. Besides Vect himself, the Homunculi section of the faction also needs a rework and seems like they are getting one, given that Grotesques actually can't be purchased at the moment.
Oh man, I remember this coming out. It was a shock to the system, I was so used to them being a relic of 3rd ed. Their antiquity was almost a comforting constant--but it was a super cool update for sure.
This codex is what made me a dark eldar fan.
I started 40k with that codex and the megaforce army box. Loved the codex, but didn't know much of the game back then :)
Yeah I got this codex and two battle forces and a bunch of extra stuff and they've sat in a box every since. Most got built but that was it lol
Wait, I just noticed, isn't Commorragh almost the same as... Gomorrah? Ha, how could have I missed this with all the obvious parallels...
It was also around this time when artwork inside many codices were black and white iterations of color originals and printed WAY too dark. Near silhouettes at times.
It's weird to get to 5th edition, feels like yesterday.
I love this series so much
Agree with the idea of colour sections being a little more charming when they had conversions in them,
This might be the best overall codex in 40k. I still have it in a box somewhere and it’s just a joy to read.
Y'all, I just love your videos. Thank you so much for putting these out into the world!
Brilliant video, grud I miss them :-) you guys rule!!
Fingers crossed for Snipe!
Cybernoid theme! I loved that game when I was a kid.
5th edition was, indeed, 40k's peak in many ways. The base rules were the best and most fun they've ever been, and the factions felt as they should, for the most part. Then came that edition's Codex Chaos Space Marines, and it all went downhill from there.
I learn something new every time these come out! Well done, you two, on a cool and interesting vid!
Love your stuff and it's great yourselves are back!
The potential Vect has for an oversized impractical miniature that is impossible to transport. Of course he's coming back one day
I dunno if it's too niche for this niche series, I'd love a 4th edition black templars codex. They were my army of choice back in 5th edition with Preferred enemy EVERYTHING
I collected Dark Eldar in 6th edition and allied them with my small Iyanden force, it was a really fun and fluffy time (though my one wave serpent was doing most of the work). I really miss the 5e codex characters that didn't ever get models - I made a Baron Sathonyx model including the farseer skull, and was really into Lady Malys. She'll probably never get a model now that Yvraine's here which I'm very sad about.
Hopefully Vect comes back in 10th and DE get a few more plastic options, so much of their range is still the 5e models. They still hold up as some of the best designed models GW's ever made imo, but they've gotten zero actual new units/datasheets since then, merely plastic releases of older finecast models. And they've still got the whole Court of the Archon and Beastmaster stuff in finecast! They really need a new unit of some kind to spice them up.
I've been putting together an Eldar corsair army for 5th edition for a while. I got some Kabalite Warriors to mix in, but they're cool enough I have to stop myself from getting more Dark Eldar. I really should finish some projects before starting more...
Omg I ignored this BC I thought it was an old one I'd already watched!
Zodgrod Wortsnagga's return is less surprising than Makari surviving being sat on by Ghazza
And it's a more insulting return, given we haven't seen Nazdreg since THIRD EDITION!
Love you guys, wonderful video as always