Making of the Fugitive Train Wreck
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2020
- www.gsrj.com Here is another video for our "Throw Back Thursdays" series that we produced showing how the Great Smoky Mountains Railway made movie history with the filming of the full size train wreck in the block buster movie, "The Fugitive" on their Railroad back in 1993. Most of the footage was filmed by the GSMR Crew. To find out more about or Emmy Award-Winning Public Television programs and see all the products we have visit our web-site at, www.gsrj.com
The best era of film making. Love the fact the train wreck is still there
Can you imagine, 'Waddya mean you forgot to put the film in the camera!'
Or “Ruby! You forgot to remove the lenses cap!”
Teh angry bird 345 IDFB reference
"Ready when you are."
@@swingrfd k7lkn is a morning
“GOD DAMMINT JOHNNY YOUR GETTING FIRED”
I remember when this movie was in the theaters a friend said, yes, he would go with us to see it again because the train wreck alone was worth the price of admission.
It was the coolest scene in the film. As a train fan this wreck is one of my favourites in cinematic history. It really does not look fake at all. It all feels so genuine.
Some bueatiful locos left to rot, but I guess I can't complain too much since they likely would've been scrapped if not used for the film.
Doubted
Yea GP-30's aren't that much common anymore. Let alone a GP-30 HH
Top Gear used a British Class 31 to ram a car
The.Meth.Baker. six9four20 it would be cold to restore it to its old southern paint and CSX runs gp 30 slug sets so the gp 30 is not to rare
CSX Doolittle csx is slowly selling the slugs, and even though they’re gp30s, they’re slugs so they can’t run by themselves.
I loved this era of movie 🎥 making. The effects look so real and they used to go in on the setup of action 🎬 scenes
The last movie created to not use CGI was Waterworld, anything after that is the start of CGI. Waterworld was also the most expensive movie ever made at $325 million.
Back when Movies were made the hard way, and the good way and the right way.
Amen, CGI is good but it has no soul.
You got no argument from me.
Stop acting like only practical effects are good, it’s best to combine both of them so you get the best of both.
I agree, CGI has got rediculous, just making movies more and more unrealistic and rediculous.
and also the most dangerous way. What would you prefer? A CGI Movie wreck, where only fake people are getting killed, or a real-life wreck movie that runs the risk of killing someone for real which leads to several lawsuits on the studio and most likely, a new law being made that bans all fake train wrecks that aren't CGI?
I recall this scene as a kid so iconic! Movies relying too much on CGI effects just come off as so sterile and "video game like"
R.I.P High hood GP30
R.I.P gp30 u will be missed
Definitely
I have a old GP30 working for switching now RL but I've never seen GP30 with a high hood before.
R.I.P
Amen...my favorite loco...HO scale
Being a conductor 43 years I've been in wrecks like that it's really the way it happens except maybe for the Sparks but the sound of the metal and then the dead quietness afterwards that got me when I was in the Rex I thought we were never going to stop I was in the Caboose or as we call it the way car 13 cold cars in front of us went into the ditch I thought we were never going to stop cold Shot by me like bullets I held on for dear life and then the quietness the quietness
:o
Bro it sounds like you need a movie honeslty
Jakeisneko [New account] what is that suppost to mean are you telling him to get a life or saying he needs a movie of his own I can't tell
Oregon Railfan it’s a joke, not trying to be mean
PTSD
0:59 ironically 777 was scraped first before the two fugitive units
This scene was good enough for Leslie Neilsen to film a tribute to it in Wrongfully Accused.
This was definitely not the first time a movie train wreck was shot using a full-scale train. I can think of a couple older movies just off the top of my head. Buster Keaton's "The General" (1926) featured a real, full-scale steam locomotive crashing through a burning bridge.
The 1952 movie "Denver and Rio Grande" featured a head-on collision of two real, narrow gauge trains pulled by steam locomotives.
Don't forget the train with Burt Lancaster. Having said that real crashes afer the 1950's was a bit more rare.
Don't forget the cassandra crossing all that was real.
Crash at Crush. Really gross inaccuracy and not at all surprising...
And the train features in THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI.
best train crash is in Keaton's "The General".@@travlishallingquest5719
And I'm pretty sure the 2nd full scale train wreck is in Unstoppable.
They didn't use real engines though, just plywood mockups.
No I think it was Atomic Train
Unstoppable used real SD40-2, and c44-9 (dash-944cw) locomotives, from the Altoona shops. 1206 was a former Conrail unit, the other two may have been from other roads purchased by the NS (Norfolk Southern), 777, and 767 were from the Canadian Pacific. 777 & 767 have been returned to CP, the two derailed SD40-2's were burned & scraped, 1206, was sent back to NS, and may still be in service, either with NS, or CSX.
@@BattleshipOrion 1206 wasn't Conrail, it was built as KCS 664. It's now (and was before the move) W&LE 6353. 767 and 777 were *AC4400CWs*, not C44-9s and 0 of the locomotives used were from the Altoona shops. The derailed 40s were mockups and not real, either.
The AWVR 777 and AWVR 767 Didn't crash it just stopped just like the CSX 8888 Incident which Unstoppable was based off of.. neither crashed, they just came to a halt.
Listen up ladies and gentlemen:
Our fugitive's been on the run for ninety minutes. Average foot speed over uneven ground - barring injury - is four miles an hour, that gives us a radius of six miles. What I want out of each and everyone of you, is a hard-target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, or doghouse in that area! Checkpoints go up at 15 miles. Your fugitive's name is _Doctor Richard Kimble._ Go get 'em!
There is no way marshals would have been there in 90 minutes.
@@MilwaukeeF40C 👀
this wreck is STILL there!
course I wants the locos in HO scale!
Someone made a bombed out HO Illinois Southern GP30 sitting on timber blocks on a flatcar.
Three busses were used in the filming allowing different camera angles. All three were from Downers Grove Illinois and had been used in commuter shuttle service for many years. They were well beyond their service life and sold as scrap to the film makers.
After watching "The Fugitive", my ditzy friend said, "It's a good thing that bus crashed, or he never could have escaped!" Me: Well if the bus didn't crash, they would have changed the name of the movie to "The Prisoner".
There was a reimagining called "The Fudgitive", which also took place in prison. Sequel to "Run A Gay Train".
This movie is so old it is the first time I see this. Thanks for uploading!
By the way, I always found it odd how the bus rolls down the hill vertically and all the sudden it lands horizontally on the track. Magic!
I had this on dvd and used to watch it all the time. I love how he pronounces pipes
It was one of the best Train Wreck scenes!
You can go on the Tuckaseegee River train ride with the Smoky Mountains Railroad from Bryson City to Dillsboro. We did it in October 2019 on their beautiful steam train and we went right by the train and bus wrecks. I highly recommend it. They also have Diesel trains, but I recommend the steam train
I watched this movie today for the first time in quite a while. Hollywood movies from the 90's are still the best.
Nothing beats going on a train and seeing a train wreck.
4:10 "was the first done in the United States by the film industry"
Buster ketons the General: * doubt *
He says this was the first full-scale train wreck ever filmed, but the train they wrecked in the General was full scale, and I remember some old movie steam engine head-on wrecks that were real.
@@bigredc222 I thinking they probably meant first "diesel train engines" because wrecking old steam engines and their train cars is on numerous films . Train wrecking into each other was even evens t done at State Fairs as shows for crowds of people who bought tickets. There were lot of steam trains destroyed for entertainment then sent to be scrapped after wards. Might as well make that extra dollar or two before you just take it for the metal.... The sheer number of engine destroyed and not preserved is saddening. Even if it delight the crowds gathered and out great (great) grand parents......
When they say the film industry, I think they mean the monstrous, corporate film industry. Not trained acting professionals making their own films using their own crews.
@@HolyKhaaaaan I sorry I'm rushed but I'm trying to type you out a good response but will have come back clean it un in 10-22 hours sorry but life sucks for me.
In the days of the Steam Engine and Early Diesel trains you had Movie Film Studio Companies bigger than the Telecommunication like Google and Facebook of today, The rivaled the Early Railroads Companies for the ability to assert power and control over people and lands far and wide.
Those were the Big FILM Studios and they were even more powerful than they are today. In the 1900-1950's you didn't dare cross the Film Studios "IF you knew what was good for you !" . Any actor /actress that dared suddenly fond no one that would work with them, out of fear of being black balled by association. They locked performers in not just for a film series but for years and would build up and tear down stars as they saw fit and for their own pleasures. The casting couch was very real. You had to tow the company line and always do and act as they wanted in your professional life and personal life. Even as far making stars marry other stars despite they didn't have love for each other and preferred the same gendered as themselves, not the person they married. It was also a time when being seen as gay would end a career for any leading man in films. So social politics and homophobia also played into it but you were owned by the studios. Even if you found and independent company/studio that would hire you produce a film, they would tell their theaters if they showed the film they would loose the studio's films . Hence the Studios could blackball any actor and/or director due to much control they had from studio ownership and actual movie theater ownership. The rival studios while they would try to hire away stars from the other, they wouldn't work someone that broke the company line because they wanted it clear to their contracted performers that they have no options if they go to work for____.
The Big Hollywood Studios practices actually had the USA Congress intervene against them...... For ANTI-TRUST and their Monopoly. Because the Studios' death grip on every aspect from the start of writing to pre- production, to development, to filming, to making duplicates, to distribution, creation of press packs and advertising posters , and then control of projectionists (Highly skilled Carbon Arc lamp operator was require not the nice projectors that even teenage kids can throw a switch of today), they had their hands in the USHER Unions, the FOH & ROH (Front and Rear Of House) staff also. Remember a lot of movie theaters were also live venue places. That doesn't even count the musician union and how at the start, films had sound scores that were played by traveling and certain ""qualified"" local talent help. Back before the "Talkies" as they were called when you actually got to hear dialogue with the film you were watching, not just read text on the screen between scenes. Side digress, a humorous quote from Warner Bro's studio when confronted about adding sound to their films, one of them said "Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"
This Death grip also allowed the union like I.A.S.T.E. to use their leverage with international work force across the country to bring about safety and fair wages for studio and on location work. Along with projectionists, which was a skilled job that involved running projectors that had metal rods that had to be adjusted and changed (the arcing burnt away material so feeding and keeping the arc gap aligned required constant attention see the "Carbon Arc" projectors and spotlights for info.) as the electricity arced between them to create the bright light. That projectionists had to preview the films, splice together film reels, add on trailers by hand. Not to mention during World War 1 & 2 they would splice in the war news footage reels to bring news to the masses. TV wasn't in every home(nor was the radio yet) and seeing the film reels was great military propaganda tool. Imagine going to your movie theater to get the world news.
The Companies like MGM, Paramount, 20th century fox (later 21st then just FOX), ect. owned the Studios and the movie theaters. If the theater wasn't owned by them at best you might be low percentage owner of the franchise. There independents but they struggled and were at disadvantage because they didn't have much leverage for negotiations. Which also meant they could keep out the other studio's films out of that movie theater or making them take reduced rates to get their film shown in regions of the country that a rival studio didn't have their own Movie Theaters. Independent owned theaters had to pay per showing for films at higher rates and would get jerked around by the studio to give preferences for their films or not get them all. While the other independent theaters that gave them the preferred preference over their competition in town did. So local movie theaters had to choose which Studio Brand they wanted to be much like when restaurants could carry coke-a-cola products or Pepsi but nor both.
As you know opening weekend and the 1st week is the highest number of sales, so by holding the film back from the small theater owner had even worse time covering those ""Royalty Fees"" and "Marketing Expenses"" that were also tacked on to make back any money the Studios spent promoting. So you had the 2nd run and 3rd run markets movie theaters, which all but dried up with huge 20+ multi-screen complexes of today.
Another part of the deal supposedly , was that Big Studios carried more of advertising costs and had Star Actors and Actresses under limited appearances contracts. They could only perform in their Studio's films or risk being locked out of the Hollywood totally. They would then doing promotional work for the film, where ever and however the Studios wanted.
So There was lot going on that was corrupt and the book keeping was legendary. For Example even in today's industry "Titanic" (The recent one that was a big block buster 10-15 years ago) Has made more money than most every film made but due to contract and payment of production percentage points that came off the back end ,, that the film has legally never made any money for the Movie Studio...... So no Taxes since it was all a "lost" and didn't break even after expenses......
Prop departments that are owned by the studios that rent the props to the studio as an expense, which somehow is never an asset owned and taxed.....
That doesn't even get in Lighting, Grip gear and cameras......
Sorry this was so bad. I cleaned it up to actually make sense.
@@HolyKhaaaaan Sorry that comment was so horrid, cleaned it up so it makes little more sense. Sorry you got hit with a failed sleep med post reply.
The livery on the locomotive is beautiful
I remember watching this as a kid. So cool to see it on CZcams.
I was on that tourist train as a kid and remember seeing the prop wreck site! It was amamzing
Very cool. Thanks for sharing this history with us,
you can also drive there to see it... The movie version of the wreck is awesome!
Just amazing! Thank you.
I remember seeing this video when I was little! I've been looking for it for years!
I just realized. One of those locos is a high hood GP30
It’s really cool how they make these amazing staged train derailments!
Can you imagine the crew like, you want me to do what?? You kick this car so it can go in the ditch, on purpose? 😂
Awesome history!!
One of my favorite derailment scenes.
Some fax for everyone.
The "train" used 3 locomotives.
A GE U18b, a EMD GP30HH, and a homemade "Slug" built from plywood on a flatcar.
All the rolling stock and locomotives where purchased from railroad companies that had plans to scrap said equipment. This included, 2 flatcars, 6 boxcars, 6 hopper cars, 2 tank cars, 2 log cars, and the two locomotives.
The locomotives where just empty shells, they contained no motors or fuel.
Equipment was purchased from 3 railroad companies, Conrail, CSX Transportation, and Norfolk Southern.
trainfan4449 GP30: NS
U18B: CR
It was the same situation with The Train in 1964 where the locomotives they used were heading for scrap and the yard that was bombed was going to be chopped up anyway so they conveniently decided to bomb it for a scene in the film. And the locomotives were shells?? It did not look like that at all I'm shocked.
A third locomotive painted in "Illinois Southern" colors, unlettered, shows up in this video. A Chop nose GP9.
This video shows the U18 to still have its prime mover:
czcams.com/video/AJWdMm8J0lc/video.html
@@MilwaukeeF40C that was GSMR 777, which was recently destroyed in Mr Beast recant video
Well that was very interesting and entertaining. Thanks
Welcome to where has quarantine recommendations have me today
Up the road from here in Pittsburg and in Cumberland they did it again for Unstoppable where they flipped an SD40 on its side and made a Dash 9 lean into a curve.
ConrailFan76 yeah
Beautiful locomitives.
It is a great place to visit. Ride the train and see part of North Carolina. You will enjoy it. Last time I was at wreck was back in late 90s.
We did one over here for film . The loco a class 47 ended up in a field , after running through a stop block . We had one hell of a job getting it out again . It ended up, having to take the body off the bogies and remove the diesel engine .
Does Britain have no sidewinders?
Poor GP30 #536 with a High Nose those engines are really rare to see.
The U18 might be rarer.
Wow I had no idea that the Great Smokey Mountain Railroad did all of this great work in the movie! That was two years before I hired on with one of the nations Class 1 railroads. The first time I saw the Fugitive the wreck blew me away and still does. I knew that those were real locos and rolling stock not models. It was just too great of a scene to be faked and still the best train wreck scene out there.
I agree! Every time I see it, I marvel!
There was a very large scale model built. Planet Hollywood in Times Square had a model GP30 and one or two cars on display. I wonder what its purpose was. I want to see all the raw footage.
I had thought that that scene was done with models. I'll have to pay closer attention next time I see it.
There was a very large scale model. It was on display at Planet Hollywood in Times Square.
it's still fun to watch when cable TV runs this movie it to see if they run the older version with the "ghost" in it. There's clearly a guy with a ball cap on looking back when the train comes to a stop and Harrison Ford looks up. Later the studio edited him out when it was re-released. Did anyone ever figure out who or what that guy was?
*R.I.P. Illinois southern **#1901** And #536!*
1901 not 190
Oregon Railfan oops sorry about that, I changed it
Great intense moments.
What about the stuntman jumping out of the bus at the last second? That looked legit as hell
the engine and the buss is still there. People can visit it.
Its kind of sad that those trains they left them abandoned
WE NEED THESE THINGS PRESERVED! Not even repaired.
The movie The General with Buster Keaton used a real train going down through a burning bridge in 1926. I think the best train wreck scene was in the 2011 film Super 8. Real or not it was spectacular.
The General wreck was a "one take" scene too. I think they used many cameras to film it: to make sure they got the shot.
It's still there.
Good to know.
@GreatScenicRailwayJourneys do you have full video of 1997 version of great scenic railway journeys i sure would like to see that?
Two diesel freight trains have been abandoned, good thing that steam locomotives of Great Smoky Mountain railway can pass those abandoned diesel trains after 1993
Sadly their GP7 #777 famous as the engine that pushed the train, along with #711 were scrapped in late 2022 after a CZcamsr by the name of Mr Beast did a live action GTA 5 stunt with them.
Also this February 2023 marks the 30th anniversary of this staged blockbuster movie scene.
Me at 11pm: Time for bed!
CZcams at 3am: Wanna watch a train wreck? And read the comments full of crying apes?
One word: "bruh"
0317. Yep.
FYI the open cars that were converted from flatcars were sadly scrapped in 2016 or so.
Wonder why
@@mrtrainz14 rotted to the frame
Can somebody explain to me in the movie when the bus is rolling downhill how come the bus appears completely sideways to the tracks?
Shouldn’t the front and back of the bus be aligned with the tracks?
The mention of dynamite in the PVC pipes to cause the track to fall over - why was that necessary? I don't know what size PVC pipe was used, but it certainly wouldn't support the weight of a train. Would have buckled and shattered on it's own. Regardless quite a feat, no replacement for reality in filming. Watching the scene in the movie, it actually feels like they could have done more with it, not that much is seen (it's night, and we're mostly just seeing Harrison Ford's perspective), would have been relatively easy to do with film trickery. Though I guess that it didn't feel over-the-top like some movie crashes is actually the good result of a real train wreck - it was real, not absurdly overdone.
Now that I think about it, Harrison Ford is pretty fortunate to be alive. That’s horrifying; running away from a speeding train on foot. If he’d have tripped and fell or stumbled even a little, he’d be dead. I think I’d be too scared to try that stunt.
he's already tried to kill himself landing his aircraft a few years ago!
@@rearspeaker6364 That historic aircraft should have been in some kind of protective institutional public setting for exhibition.
"My my my my my, what a mess."
"I don't care."
Rare U18B in that crash. Not to mention a high hood GP38 and I think a GP16 as well (rebuilt GP18
The poor EMD GP30 And GE C30-7.
777 has a Leslie Rs5t horn
David Lean blew up and derailed 2 full sized, real trains, in 2 of his movies. Bridge over the river Kwai, and Lawrence of Arabia. Check them out.
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Right now I am at the spot in Dillsboro where it crashed
Back when they actually had to use their brains and ingenuity to make movies. Now it’s all green screen, taking the art out of the movies.
somewhat, but it's still art with CGI, since it takes alot of work in order to storyboard and correctly animate it, especially trying to make it look real and blending it into the footage.
@@alpal.mp4 Yeah, but they don't do all that that often. "We're smokin bowls and we're overlapping objects", Sam Gerard might say.
Remember y’all, no ones stopping you from taking the stuff that’s still there.
HMS Hood why you encouraging people to steal stuff from old locomotive's that's illegal you jackass
1:55 2:13 Norfolk & Western Railway Leslie RS5TRF horn
I mean, it's cool, but how many high hood gp30s are out there? Not very many.
I looked up some GP30's with high hoods and found a NS model Number #522.
So most likely 10 or lower.
35.370108° -83.263358° 0.6 miles west of Dillsboro, NC
Wowwww
All real, no CGI
What about the movie Runaway Train with Jon Flight, Eric Roberts and Rebecca Dr Mornay, I seem to recall a train wreck somewhere in that movie!
The caboose wreck was done with O scale models.
You can still pass by the wreck if you take the Great Smokey Mountain Railway in Bryson City ☠️
I am surprised the RR
put all the time in to
help with the movie
stunt. Warner brothers
must have paid alot
to the RR for the work
they did.
In my opinion the train detail and train crash in the movie the train was the biggest train wreck
And fun fact that train is still there and also bus
For the Denver & Rio Grande movie, two narrow gauge steam locomotives collided head on, destroying both of them and a number of cars. No models. Real trains.
Oops wasn’t filming gotta do it again
Where's the 'one armed' man ?.😄🏴
"Luckily, no one was hurt."
Ya but how did they get the train to jump off the tracks and chase him through the woods?
Buster Keaton in The General had a real train wreck. That was released in 1927.
One goof they shouldnt have used a flat car with logs, there is no logging in the chicagoland area.
First, it was a test trial with the log car. Second, log cars can go through Chicago, they don’t have to come from there
There is also a close up shot, I think of them pulling the guard out from under the engine, that reveals the lack of traction motors on the locomotive.
The location was supposed to be southern Illinois....which is a world away from the Chicago area. Southern Illinois is so southern that it contains one of the northernmost cypress swamps. Yes, there’s logging in southern Illinois.
Also. Using logs is a good way to test physics of a crash. A lot of movies do that because it's cheap to buy the logs and wreck them.
The tree services in Chicago are saving decent timber now and you can occasionally see a tractor trailer loaded with logs.
Those train engines must restore like new so they are ready for freight and passengers.
2:40 This track looks larger than normal.
Hay
Oops, forgot to turn on the camera
First? And no-one mentions 1961s "Ring of Fire" train wreck? Washington state? Plenty before that too.
Wait, you're not going to end that with the actual clip from the movie!!!???
I bet the railroad boys involved with this had fun wrecking trains on purpose.
NOT the first to use a real train. There is the 1964 movie "The Train" starring Burt Lancaster that had an amazing wreck of real engines. And no special effects at all - just an actual crash. And long before that was the 1926 movie "The General" that wrecked a real steam engine by have a bridge collapse under it. It was the most costly shot in all of silent film history.
What about the part where the train plays hide and seek with him in the forest?
Scene from The Fugitive:
czcams.com/video/4LF4I1S9rOo/video.html
I thinking the announcer of the tour train going by at 4:04 probably meant that is was the first "diesel train engines" wreck from real trains not models by Warner Brothers Studio. Because wrecking old steam engines and their train cars is on numerous films . Which only a small fraction of the early films survive today, due to no preservation efforts (no resell value after release ) so copies were destroyed and trashed. The actual film stock deteriorated due to what it was made from. Train wrecking into each other was even evens t done at State Fairs (we we have film footage of and photos) as shows for crowds of people who bought tickets. There were a lot of steam trains destroyed for entertainment then sent to be scrapped afterwards. Might as well make that extra dollar or two before you just take it for the metal.... The sheer number of engine destroyed and not preserved is saddening. Even if it delight the crowds gathered and out great (great) grand parents......
One of those spectacle wrecks killed some spectators.