3 Myths About Trekking Pole Tents
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Trekking pole tents are on the rise in popularity for backpackers, but many are still hesitant to replace their free-standing tent with one. In this video, Tayson lists the biggest myths about trekking pole tents and addresses the fears of many backpackers regarding a trekking pole tent's ability to handle the weather, difficult pitches, condensation, and ease of setup.
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Table of Contents
00:00 Intro
00:38 Rise in Popularity
01:01 Myth 1
02:15 Myth 2
03:50 Bonus Myth
04:28 Myth 3
05:32 Is a Trekking Pole Tent right for you?
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Just took my first hike with a trekking pole tent. I liked it a lot. Easy enough to set up. Definitely lighter and smaller to pack. It rained heavy on me one night and I was dry. Condensation wasn’t an issue other nights. I’m glad I switched.
I’ve dealt with trying to set up a trekking pole tent where all you have is a granite slap to pitch on. 10 stakes 2 trekking poles. Never again. Same lake with a free standing tent was cake. Run corner lines out and put rockets on them. Done easy no BS
100%. Free-standing tents are A LOT more forgiving of sub-optimal pitching conditions.
Free standing tents are a myth. I still had to pay at the camp site!
Durston X-Mid is the way
Just got it. Glad to join the sage cult...uh I mean group.
All for the small price of $700 after tax
@@austinseph1 what is? The xmid is $300. The Xmid pro that's made of dyneema might be that price but that doesn't compare to this tent.
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!
@@austinseph1wtf you talking about? The 1P is 240. The 700 ones are dyneema and that price is standard for that material.
The more things a piece of gear can do is the quickest way to lighten your load. This is why for me it's a no brainer to carry a trekking pole tent..... I'm already out there with half the weight of my shelter in my hands.
Very true! Great point.
The art is also to realize if the two things that can be done are REALLY necessary
I am getting one, I was able to sleep in a prototype in extreme wind and was amazed at how well it did. It is so small it will even go in my day hiking pack.
Ohhhhh I can’t wait to get my hands on this baby!!
Unless it's a really rough trail I rarely use trekking poles ,my one man tent weighs about the same or less than a trekking pole tent when you include the trekking poles. I have used both and found that in my states I backpack the weather is very humid and may be hot in the evening but cold in the mornings, the trekking pole tents tendency to have lots more condensation build up overnight than my freestanding ones. I'll stick to my free standing tents.
Different strokes for different folks.
@@TaysonWhittaker That's what the tranny's say.........lol
@@armyretired28 Lmao...Good one!
Oh baby! Watched all 3 vids now, after getting the"Presale txt alert".
Never thought about a"Trekking Poll tent" before...
But protesting for our first HikeThru on the O.C.T....
Weight is a factor. Our second half in Sept. 22ad will be lighter because
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I really love your company for producing this tent! I personally feel like the next iteration should be a 50 inch wide bathtub for the 2P version. I understand, based on a comment you made, that this tent will technically stretch to fit the wide pads. But it'd be nice to just already be able to comfortably fit 2 wide pads in here. When life gets tough, I ask myself, "What would Dan Becker do?" And then I try to follow that. Sometimes at least. Because I imagine most people buying this type of tent is willing to take the small weight pentalty for the extra 2 inches for the wide pads. And while everyone loves the X-Mid tents, Outdoor Vitals is an established full-time company working hard to keep their products in stock. So I'd prefer an in-stock tent than waiting years for another drop. The only thing I didn't see listed on the pre-purchase sign up page is whether or not this is a single-wall or double-wall shelter? I'm going to assume it's single-wall based on your condensation comment. While I agree a single-wall/double-wall doesn't have a lot of different for condensation, I also appreciate the double-wall shelters so I can quickly set up just the fly in the afternoon to wait out a rainstorm or to share the weight with my wife. So just my personal opinion as someone who doesn't actually make outdoor gear--I'm sure your team has a reason for everything :P Thanks for sharing!
Been waiting for this tent for quite awhile, bought a super cheap trekking pole tent out of necessity for a hike in June. But gotta have the Outdoor Vitals trekking pole tent.
One more addition to the benefits of a single wall tent: when setting up camp in precipitation, the inside of your tent stays dry because its never exposed without the rain fly!
Side note: I preordered the Fortius and CAN'T WAIT for it to arrive!! Thanks for what you guys do!
Thats true but there are some great double walls that you set up the fly first. And then not be dealing with condensation. But yeah, it's all about what tradeoffs are worth it for you.
Congrats on the new release. I will say however my favorite part about a freestanding or semi-freestanding tent in the desert is the ability to hold it up and shake out all the sand before packing it up. Beyond that, I agree that a trekking pole tent can be set up just about as securely, you just have to get more creative with how you anchor your guy-lines and other anchor points when in the sand or on slickrock. But you gotta do that too with freestanding tents when faced with high winds. As for condensation, I like the partial solid interiors you can get with some Tarptents like the Notch I have. The roof is solid and so that adds an extra layer to catch and block out any condensation that wants to drip off the main fly above. It can then run down the side of the tent and leave my face alone.
Great point. I had my freestanding inverted over my head before breaking it down, exactly what you are saying, just last week. Getting all the little sand etc out like that is great
Nice video. It seems that in the part about condensation there are two different categorizations mixed up though; freestanding/non-freestanding, and single/double wall. I have a double wall trekkingpole tent, and the mesh inner has the same effect as a mesh inner of a freestanding model. (And because I can keep the mesh inner attached to the fly so they're raised together at the same moment, there's never the question of setting up fly first or inner first).
Good stuff. Great meeting you at Trail Days
Great meeting you as well!
I am going to add a Fortius 1 to my gear. I typically hammock camp but there are times when there are no trees, especially above the tree line. With a weight that is minimal, having one in my backpack assures that I will have shelter regardless.
I’ve never owned a trekking pole tent, with very little available to physically look at in Australia, even on trail, so definitely going to be an online order based on reviews. The pitching in difficult rocky terrain is a concern for me as some of these appear to need 10-12 pegs to get the necessary tension, especially where storm flaps are also required to pull the inner out, versus 6 pegs usually being sufficient on my existing freestanding options. Its hard enough finding 4 good tent peg spots sometimes, with the extra 2 sometimes having to span out a few extra feet. Some of the trekking pole tent pictures I’ve seen seem to have guylines going out 6ft in every direction?
Agreed…. You can pitch a trekking pole tent anywhere. I’ve used a tracking pole tent across all kinds o terrain from the Sierra to the Smokies. I’ve also used them in rain storms, snow and arid climates. It is hard to beat a trekking pole tent in terms of versatility.
Great video 👍
I have a trek/pole tent and wouldn’t go any other way…🙌
During covid I started buying hiking equipment thinking it would be fun to go backpacking. I watched a ton of CZcams videos and found it interesting. Funny thing though, I thought it was like striking out into the wilderness and in a way it is. But it turns out the Appalachian trail is not just walking off into the mountains, you are actually in a park with rules and pathways more like The road Less traveled than trekking off into the unknown wilderness. It's a lot like the highway system except for the fact you're on foot. I know this comment is off topic of the video but I just find it interesting. LOL
Thanks for the comment. Good insight.
Love my trekking pole tent, but it does require more work in finding good tent sites. Spent several months in the Sierras in 2023.
I have a one man trekking pole tent, and like it fine except for the fact there is no extra room and just the one door. I think I'll give your 2-man Fortius a go so I can spread out a little.
Magnificent beard!
Thank Freya someone with a brain made a review/myth bust on this.. thanks for existing.
I agree any tent sets up quickly once you have done it a few times!
Great content fellas. Please keep it up. Honest pragmatism is a great find on any media platform.
The big question is; “Will you ship to the UK?” I really like the bomb proof look of The Fortius.
Yes! We ship worldwide. However customs fees are up to your local government and are not something we cover.
Looks good 👍.
Are you still expecting the Kota UL to be delivered in June?
July
Groundsheet included?
what kind of stakes do you recommend for those do all conditions? from rock to sand.
outdoorvitals.com/products/easton-tent-stakes
Sorry if you already answered this, but does the 1p Fortius have two doors or only one? Also, do you provide a guide to how long the poles should be, or should we just experiment? It seems like the OV Fortius is a superior competitor to the REI Flash Air, which makes it super enticing! Every time I think I'm done buying gear, you guys release something awesome. Renewed membership here I come!
The Fortius 1p has 1 door, but the 2p has 2 doors!
Myth #2 - Weather Conditions. The main failure point for freestanding tents is the poles - they can bend or break under load from wind and snow. Trekking poles are FAR stronger, so virtually eliminate this risk - especially if you use alloy poles.
In exposed areas I use my MLD Trailstar tarp, which has legendary wind-shedding ability. There are many tales of Trailstars surviving unscathed when far heavier 4-season mountain tents were shredded. This isn't true of all trekking pole designs though - so be careful to match your choice with the worst conditions you might be facing. In general you have to trade off liveability and/or weight for storm resistance, so it can be a tricky decision.
I didn't understand the answer to Myth 1. You said you can get stakes in the ground even in rocky terrain, but didn't say how. So, how?
love my MLD duomid. Even works if you forget the trekking pole. Just use a stick.
Just ordered one of your insulated sleeping pads.
Great!
come with this tent to scotland !
Excellent points. I wonder who makes a good trekking pole tent. 🤔
Durston hands down
@@InOurElement I was thinking OutdoorVitals but Durston sounds ok.
I wish they made a semi free standing trekking pole tent. Like the rei one but with more space
Hi! How to setup trekking pole tent in cold weather, when the ground is frozen but there is no snow?
If you are asking about the stakes not going into the ground because it's too hard I would recommend using rocks to hold the lines in place. You can also upgrade your stakes. outdoorvitals.com/products/easton-tent-stakes?_pos=1&_sid=8b4ebf619&_ss=r
Do you guys make a tent adaptable for a wood stove?
Not at this time.
Can you fit 2 regular nemo tensor pads in the 2p ?
Absolutely! A regular Nemo Tensor pad is about 20 inches wide. The Fortius 2p Trekking Pole Tent is 48 inches wide plus there are two large vestibules that can easily fit any gear.
Regular width yes; if you want long wide pads that are 25" wide then you need an Durston X-Mid 2p
@@lakorai2 While our footprint says 48, in the field we've been able to do two 25" pads for sure! 48 inches to the bottom corners, but you've got forgiveness and the 50 inche widest part are about an inch off the ground.
@@TaysonWhittaker sick I’ve been looking for a good 2p trekking pole tent so I can get my GF out, but I hear the gossamer gear tent leaks and I don’t want spend $600 + on the z-pack tent
How much does the Silnylon tent fabric sag when it gets wet?
Allot more than the SilPoly on the X-Mid
Silnylon can sag, but typically, if you pitch it, have dinner and hang out for a bit, then tension again before bed you are going to be in a great position. Silnylon is simply stronger so it helps us keep the tent light while meeting our performance and durability standards!
Understand that sil-nylon might be stronger, but what about the weight penalty when it is soaked? I only have experience with the Durston, and it dries super quick.
@@bcloetta Well there is apparently Sil-nylon and Sil-poly. Don’t know much about either. I think it is good that they are providing a relatively inexpensive trekking pole tent for people who might be interested in trying lightweight single wall tents. I don’t plan on giving up my dyneema Duplex though.
I love my trecking pole tent .
Except when I want to leave camp ,
Lol .
outdoorvitals.com/products/fortius-carbon-fiber-tent-poles?_pos=1&_sid=14ee15e7d&_ss=r
Do we all agree that a footprint now is not required for either style tent? With a free-standing style I have the luxury of a grommeted footprint that works great with the aluminum supports. Adding a footprint to a trekking pole tent you are typically using a Tyvex as work around without grommets.
The TP tent will slip and slide on that DIY footprint, it can be a PIA if you go that route - unless you are lucky to have a perfectly flat spot.
When folks talk about weight they always leave out the 16 oz or so for the poles. If you have them stowed in your pack, they still count as pack weight IMHO. I always stake out with either style tent.
On a recent trip I did trial a SP tent with a DIY Tyvek footprint. I liked the pack size. I didn't like sliding around on the DIY footprint. The tent was staked out by someone who was practiced. I like the concept of SP tent but not totally sold.
That said - I'll have both available :-)
I think i tried almost every type of shelter and my favorite have been non freestanding shelters.
It seems to me that most of the issues with trek pole tents is that they're often from no name, low quality brands. Any tent can have crap ventilation, waterproofing and durability. Any single skinned tent has the issues that single skinned tents have. Every tent needs staking and sufficient guy lines. I think of them like a complicated tarp- find some trees and hang them off a tensioned line by prusic loops. That'll keep them upright and taught.
Do you guys ship wordlwide btw?. Really innterested to buy quilt and down jacket from you guys,
Yes, we do!
@@TaysonWhittaker Great ! :D
@@TaysonWhittaker do you supply stalkers
Good video because I do feel a lot of people are afraid of trekking pole tents for no real reason. I mean, you really can't do ALL terrain in a trekking pole tent but you can do like 99% of areas I guess. I've setup a freestanding tent on a giant rock before, not sure how that would work with a trekking pole tent. That being said I would never carry anything else backpacking a trekking pole tent but the terrain you do have to be mindful of.
Tell us more about that tent
There's a lot more info here: outdoorvitals.com/collections/fortius-trekking-pole-tents
Interesting video but simply incorrect to suggest that an inner tent makes no difference to the condensation getting on to the user. The same amount of condensation will be produced but an inner tent will be at least partially effective at keeping it away from the occupants
I agree, he mentions mesh…well in tents that have solid walls as the inner layer and not simply mesh the condensation will never touch you. I say he’s wrong on that one, depends on the tent.
Correct. He is just wrong on that.
I have a double wall tent with mesh inner tent. When the tent is setup correctly, which is quite easy, the mesh is so tight, that even when the condensation drops over it, most of the time it beads and doesn't penetrate it. I've never had more than a few drops of water inside the tent, and only in the worst conditions.
Nice myth dispelling Tayson. I agree especially with the condensation one. Only thing that does better with condensation is a tarp.
Nate
I have bought 2 trekking pole tents and hate them. After months of review and research I have found the perfect tent. It is a tent by Featherstone, UL Granite 2 person tent. It weights 5 pounds, can be configured in 3 ways and it comes with a footprint. I have set this tent up during a thunderstorm, heavy rain and high winds and it was rock solid in Texas. Last weekend me and my 2 kids ages 8 and 24 setup both tents, (I bought 2 of the Featherstone Granite tents) and camped out, the winds were so strong because a cold front was coming through and the tents were amazing. For $139.00 on Amazon they come with everything, tent body, rainfly, footprint, tent stakes and guide out lines. I bought 2 of the tents and cannot be more happier on my purchase!!!
Lol. A 5 lb tent? Why not just carry a bed? No one except you wants to carry a tent that heavy.
This is how it sounds when the guy selling or working for the product "debug myths". First, just mentioning snow/winter alongside this tent is dangerous and irresponsible! Its simple, this is not a 4th season tent. Period! But, a two season, yes. But, a little wind, and it gets "breezy" inside. Second, condensation. On a two wall tent the condensation build up on the inside of the outer wall. However, on single wall tents, the condensation occur on the "inside" of the tent. A little wind, and you and your gear get sprayed, and possible wet floor. Third, a no brainer, this type of tents apply to trekking pole users only. No, not everybody should use trekking poles. You sell trekking pole tents, that's why the statement. Go figure. There are many types of hikes, like various terrain, that trekking poles are non practical. Lastly, you can find several double wall tents matching the weight of trekking pole tent and the poles together.
The condensation in a double wall tent does NOT fall through the mesh, nor does it land on the interior. It's never happened to me. I own a free standing tent and two trekking pole tents. There is more room in the freestanding tent, and the trekking pole tents are definitely less bulky in the pack. Will I spend $700+ for a super-light, DCF, single wall tent? No. But again, it is all a matter of personal choice. Free standing tents, IMO, are easier/quicker to set up. The weight differential is modest within a comparable price point. The video is more like an ad for Fortius than anything else, and should be labeled as such.
Regarding “trekking pole tents used in any terrain” and staking out a trekking-pole versus “free-standing” tent (which is a misnomer): I have owned and used, and still do, several different styles of trekking-pole tents, and structural pole “free-standing” tents. Yes it is true that you must stake out a free-standing tent, unless you are certain there will not be any wind (and don’t want to use vestibules). But most of the stakes on a free-standing tent carry much less load than those in a trekking pole tent. The pole structure does carry part of the wind load. The only stakes fully loaded by wind are the windward (upwind) ones holding the vestibule points out, and any guy line stakes on a wind-loaded panel. Compare that to a trekking pole tent where ALL the windward stakes are fully loaded by wind. And, if a stake pulls out in a storm in a free-standing tent, the tent is not in immediate danger of collapsing (assuming you can keep the poles from breaking due to the increased load, until you can get it re-staked). Compare that to a trekking pole tent where if any one corner stake pulls out, likely the entire tent will collapse onto you until you can find the door and go reinforce that stake point. And remember, they’re more likely to pull out (given the same stake pull-out strength) than the stakes on a free-standing tent because they carry more load.
I still love and use both styles, but definitely choose which to take depending on weather and soil type I expect.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Unpopular opinion: DCF is overrated. I'll take this tent for the 1 lb penalty over the X-mid pro all day. The added durability, additional space, and ease of properly staking out a nylon shelter makes for a much better backpacking experience, in my opinion. The better price tag is appealing as well, but even with cost being no object, I would rather sacrifice the grams somewhere else in my pack. I feel like Dyneema products tend to skirt that line between effective use of the material to save weight and status signaling with the mainstays coming from companies like Zpacks. Ultralight is a philosophy not an indiscriminate approach to every single item in your pack. To each their own, but nearly every time I see a DCF tent it looks like a brittle old tarp that's been crumpled up in a garage far too long 😉 Can't wait to try this out!
Totally agree! Just to clarify though, the X-Mid Pro is the DCF version. They also produce a regular version of the X-mid in the sil fabric that is at the $300 and under price range.
I have to say that having a material that does not soak up water like nylon is super nice. They each have their benefits. Each have their own place.
a completely wet silly poly or nylon tent weighs about 1 kilogram more than a dry one so i love my DCF tent
@@jurgschupbach3059 good for you... Again, weight is not the sole consideration when choosing a tent.
Additionally, your 1 kg estimate is wholly inaccurate. You're either being deliberately hyperbolic or disingenuous. Unless you don't make any effort whatsoever to shake out the loose water from the tent before packing it up, you can expect to carry an extra ~20-25% weight penalty on most sil-poly or sil-nylon shelters. We are talking up to 500 g not a kg... Unless you're carrying a 4 kg tent!
the condensation myth is the most annoying. thanks for debunking it. double wall tents have just as much condensation.
the condensation in the double wall tent won't go inside the tent, as the inner tent stops almost all of it.
This isn't true if you need two trekking poles for one tent. 0:41
any weight under 1 lb. won't make any difference, whether tent, sleeping bag/ pads, etc....
too many folks don't have common senses .... LOL !!!
WHAT YOU ARE MISSING: 1. Not all hikers, mountaineers and bushcrafters use trekking poles. 2. You fail to make the option of hanging a tent from above by about 8 or so different methods. 3. You expend energy raising the weight of trekking poles which generates fatigue. 4. It is simple and practical to pick up a downed section of tree limb for crossing a stream and descending a severe slope otherwise you don't need the support. Some users of trekking poles use them for ascending assist. I consider trekking poles as another item to store/carry, occasionally use and waste energy.
free standing tent in the desert = nylon tumbleweed riding the wind toward the horizon.
That will include that light weight trekking poll tent also, like a trash bag flying in the sky. Both rely on stakes to secure them to the ground...lol
How many grams does your beard weigh?
why use a tent at all? Nothing beats sleeping under the stars.
What about sleeping under the Thunder Clouds?
@@TaysonWhittaker a great sight. Cant see them from inside a tent.
No way can any treking pole tent be as strong and weather resiliant as a strong freestanding tent. I have a four pole NorthFace geodisk and a three pole Hilleberg - they will out survive the strongest of treking pole tents.
Some treking pole tents can be as weather resiliant as some freestanding, but it's blatently a false claim to talk about treking poles tents being okay in 'extreme wind' and just as good as freestanding designs.
The X-Mid is very storm worthy. Not 80 mph mountaineering resilient but 40 mph is no problem.
That looks like it might be a 4 season tent...we are definitly not trying to compare our 3 season tent to something like that!
That tent probably weighs at lest 5 lbs, looking at the shape of this tent I’d trust it in mild-medium size snowstorms
@@derekhand7904 Snowstorms with a single wall tent...Most trekking pole tents weighs around 1 1/2 to 2 pounds that's not to include those poles, that's for only a one person which has little to no extra space for anything but you, I had to buy a two man trekking pole tent (Zpacks Duplex) to have any space witch adds more weight.
@@armyretired28 My 9x7 flat dcf tarp held up by trekking poles just survived a spring snowstorm event that dumped 12-18 inches of wet snow on us. Others in our group used their tent fly held up by trekking poles as well as a couple of single walled tents, all held up fine if they were pitched properly. I'd estimate winds approached 60 mph and the wet snow weight was incredible. None of the shelters in our group were 5lb four season tents, but up between 10,000 to 11,000 feet elevation, we all did fine with proper guy line reinforcements (rocks and trees). A four season tent is always ideal when weather is expected and planned for, but in a situation like ours, we put the gear to a test and trekking pole tents, tent flies and flat tarps all held up to extreme weather conditions.
Settle down on that beard bro