228BHP to 340BHP! 4WD DYNO TUNING - AUDI A5 3.0 TDI QUATTRO PROJECT - DARKSIDE DEVELOPMENTS - PART 8
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- We fit a number of upgrades over the course of the video that takes the car from 228BHP to 340BHP!
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The back to back comparisons are enlightening to see, such honesty in the videos. Respect
We are always honest and conservative, shame that does not sell as many parts!
@@ryanp6138 it was purely the reason I bought my parts from you guys about a month back. Really is a shame.
@@aqib2000 thanks, things are going good so don't worry about us too much! Just frustrating when people believe the unbelievable!
And because they're all done on the same dyno, on the same day, they are all comparable, no settings tweaked to make the numbers look better etc.
A very impressive gain for not a huge amount of work.
Love the way the video show the improvement of all the parts while adding it :P
That intercooler looks beauty man
Awesome video. Love the step by step pulls!
Respect you guy, few people tune diésel cars. Love diésel engineeeee! For moore power in the future
You guys first gained a customer. Finally I can do work on my Q7
I just bought a ticket I never buy stuff like this but I've been following you on CZcams and that car looks amazing
Darkside says it on the tin 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Amazing fairplay lads!!
Very good series, love the transparency in mod by mod dyno/timing differences. This really makes me want to go through my 2.5 AKE and fit out some parts I've acquired - I must go back and check on the clutch you use on this.
B8 platform manual has twin plate stock. This has stock DSG auto, stock clutch
@@ryanp6138 I suspect by the this build is done I'll have over 450 reasons to switch to the 3.0 platform at some point.
@@CarAndMechanical maybe 500...haha
Like these a5's might look at em when im getting my next car dont look like they will age badly 👍
Very interesting. Thank you's for sharing.
I get mine next year!!! currently driving Passat tdi
Loving this series. Please get a mic setup - voice is all over the shop.
Keep up the great work
Promise we have it sorted for next time!
Amazing how quiet she is!
Love this car hope to hear more
We have a few videos lined up!
She will pull like a train now with that power.
nice series! hope you guys bring some 100-200km/h (62-124mph) times to compare my BMW with your Audi. Greetings from germany and keep up the good content
All in good time, pardon the pun
This and the BMW 3.0 twin turbo diesel is the best engine evrr
Outstanding video (some mics issues) on showing the steps and progress... question: what was the fuel consumption at the beginning and then after the upgrade (in mpg)?
Thanks
Thanks, low 40s and high 30s all the time really. On track it's a lot less! Haha
I love these guys and love the work this shop does, but sometimes its hard for me to hear/understand them (I'm from the states). So I put the subtitles on and that s**t is wayyyy the f*** off lol. I just thought that was funny. Excellent f****n work fellas. You pump out fantastic cars, keep it up
You will be fluent in Yorkshire in no time!
@@DarksideDevelopments Hahah I would love it. I'm grabbing an e90 335d very soon. And when I do, there is no better people for me to do bussiness with then you guys... Talk to you soon and again, keep up the good work
Cheers! Santa will have a hard time fitting that in his sleigh!
Video about the installation of methanol/water injection kit would be super :)
Even better, a blog and video!
www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/Blog/installing-water-methanol-audi-a5-30-tdi-project/
Great video , love my A5 2.0 tfsi Quattro it’s looks but fuck it I’m gonna swap it for a Golf R MK7 🤘🏽
I wish yall had someone in USA to do a big turbo / tune on a MK6 Cr140 engine..
Love your videos! Keep it up!
A lot of our US customers us Malone Tuning, maybe contact them?
I've tried malone here in the us they said they dont do ours.
@@jordandevelle4564 100% they will be able to tune the Mk6 CR140 !
@@DarksideDevelopments yeah left out the part for my engine sorry
Экология конечно на месте.😁
🔥
I wish you guys were in Australia!
We ship worldwide!
Hi , very good information,
I was thinking of putting water meth injection on my Volvo S60 D5, , but with the smoke I don't know now, good to see it in the real world,
Thanks Dave
we will make a video of smoke with on and off soon
@@DarksideDevelopments
Hi ok thanks for that
Dave
You can obviously tune the fuel to suit ... However not sure if it's worth the extra monies and complications of a WM system for the small gains in power ... Yes when you are to the top end and you want to keep egt under control but else is no point ... But again this is my opinion only ..
How can you guys work in such cold barnyard, respect. Hope you have good ventilation at you dyno for exhaust gasses.
Yeah they do. 11:50 lol
I have a touareg 3.0 TDI from 2005 with the engine code BKS. I would love to have around 330/340 bhp with it. Right now it’s remapped to around 285 bhp en with some small mods like a straight pip from the down pipe en a different air intake. I think it’s around 295/300 right now, what would recommend? Because there aren’t any front mount intercoolers or decat downpipes for it.
Email, we can help!
Been following you lads for a while on this one. I have an 07 A6 TDi 3.0 Avant, which I bought when it was only 2 years old (meaning I've had it nearly 10 years now!!). I have over 200k miles on it now though, so I'm curious/paranoid as to what effect these extra mods would have on my engine (and gearbox for that matter). It's been totally faultless - I do all my own work (and even have VAG-COM for the diagnositics), and still pulls like new. I actually got it remapped the day after I bought it, and though I can't tell exactly what increase it gave, I have had it up to 152mph on the GPS (160mph on the clock) with still more to go, so I can only guess I did gain something! Thing is, the car isn't worth anything now with that much mileage, but I still love it, and have no intention on selling it as I have other toys to keep me amused (and I can't really justify coughing up a load of moolah on a newer BiTdi just to get the extra power and a more up to date infotainment system!!). BUT, spending a few quid on it with you lads to get this much power out of it? I already love the fact that it is an anonymous looking diesel estate car, that will do over 150mph on the GPS with ease....... imagine what it would be like with even more power?? ;) So anyway, expect an email from me in regards to costs, etc., but just one quick question: would you risk it on a motor with over 200k miles on it? And if so, how do you think the extra mods would affect an engine (and gearbox!) with that much mileage? Fair play anyway lads - loving this one! 😉
Hi, we have tuned cars with the same mileage and more. As long as the car has been well looked after you should not have any problems. Some wear items may need changing a little sooner but this would be expect at the mileage anyway. Drop us an email with the reg/vin a long with a power goal and we will price up some options for you. Thanks
@@DarksideDevelopments Expect an email from me soon, Cheers! ;)
it will never make sense to sell it, you can't ask for much more in a daily cruiser. maybe a bmw touring gives you bit better dynamics and bit more analogue driver involvement, but modern audi's handle like they're on rails up to 8/10ths anyway, and are faster in poor driving conditions ie the uk, they just have everything.
What you think about head porting, polishing? It's diesel, so straight injection, and best airflow is with polished surfaces, also that big Y-shaped intake tube porting? Also a bit beter flowing exhaust manifold. It all increases efficiency, in other terms, same power with less boost. Also what you think about maxxing out an engine on stock turbo? (no nitro ofcourse)
Porting will help this engine a lot. Inlet and exhaust manifolds are getting worked on soon but they are OK to 500hp we think. Stock turbo stops around 300hp as per this video
@@ryanp6138 Stock turbo on ported and freed-up airflow? I think it would go more, like, 315 maybe
@@gedas3419 it won't be worth the effort.
@@ryanp6138 It's all about the time, the effort, the gains. The pride "Highest stock turbo powered 3.0 tdi" it'd be cool. Ofcourse you have fastest fwd tdi car, so such a project won't bother you. Have a good day. Thank you for answers :)
@@gedas3419 everyone needs a goal!
..Interesting stuff! Would my X5 e53d be worth doing? 13yrs old tho!! The cold air more dense=more charge?
Cheers & keep warm boys 😇
Worth doing a FMIC upgrade? Best to check what your IATs are, but a 13 year old intercooler is likely to be battered!
nice video, helped me alot of understanding this engine. im in the "middle" of swapping turbo on my 3,0tdi CAPA engine. i have to change it anyway cus the last owner did not hook back on the intake propperly so the turbo is sandblasted inside. im def, gonna look out for videos uploaded by Darkside Developments in the future.
Great, we can supply everything you need!
@@DarksideDevelopments i am not sure but i bougth a gt30 kit of turbofun in norway wich is an darkside dealer. i think they ordered from you :)
@@MathiasBP94 There is a GTD2872VRK being prepared for them now, so probably yours :-)
@@DarksideDevelopments same as you guys have on you A5 ?
@@MathiasBP94 Yes it is...
What can you do about an w219 cls 320 v6 224ps ? I saw the video of the 320cdi project in america
We only supply the turbos for those
hey there. i have the a5 3.0 tdi with straight pipes and small remap, its around 300hp at the moment. every time i pull hard, at 3rd gear and close the 5000rpm it start flashing a yellow light on the main board and it goes into safe mode ,i believe its either injection or too much power that was given with the repro? Also, how many hp can i get if i hybrid the turbo and with a reprogramation? thanks a lot and keep up the good work!
You would need to check for fault codes, this should give you a better idea if the issue is fuel or boost related. We have done quite a few 400bhp+ 3.0 TDI builds. Please email us with your vehicle details for a quote
this is brilliant!! but i was expecting more power considering you have hybrid turbo / dpf delete / exhaust AND METH ...
Have you tried to change the MAP sensor to a 4 bar MAP sensor ? it will give you more torque gains and better boost control.
Fuel pump is limit. Already has 4bar
Most figures other claim are inflated
Hello from the USA. I have a 2012 vw touareg tdi, would the upgrades work for my vw?
I don't see why not.
I noticed you meantioned the Maf sensor maxing out after tuning a few videos , what sort of g/s should a stock and stage 1 tuned A5 TDI expect to see ? Mines stock as far as I know , vcds shows 240-249 g/s max at 4600rpm doesn't seem right ? guys ?
MAF is not the best wat to tell, log Rail pressure and Boost, should be 1800bar and 1.5bar :)
@@DarksideDevelopments yes , that's exactly what I see , 1800 rail and 1.5 bar boost (245 kpa) . I don't understand why the Maf maxes at 249 g/s then flatlines at 249 ? My other tfsi cars have never flatlined (maxed out ) the mafs
You are logging the wrong channel then
So how much is this set up ?
Awesome, loving this. How much would it be for these modifications? If I was to enquire through Darkside. Is it better to get a GTD2872VRK or go with a Hybrid turbo? My A5 currently has DPF delete, Exhaust, remap. Thanks!
The GTD2872 is the way to go...
I have the same car v6 tdi 3.0 but in manual I tried contacting the previous owner to know what mods it’s had but no luck only thing I can see is it’s had dpf off and a loud stainless exhaust fitted it seams faster than my E90 330d. How do I find out if it’s had a remap or other bits please advise
Take a look at the boost pressure, just less than 22psi or 1.5bar is stock
Hello, this might be a stupid question, but would it be safe to put an upgrade remap on a a5 3.0tdi with 150,000 miles on it, if the rest of the mechanics were okay
No problem at all as long as everything else is healthy!
Have you remapped for the bigger turbo and bigger intercooler
Intercooler needed no tuning. Bigger turbo we added boost and a tiny bit of fuel but pump is all out
Hi, any chance you could get an external microphone etc as the audio is a bit low. Thanks.
We have a dictaphone for the next one. We have been trying new things...
How much power/torque can the stock clutch pack take?
Lots if they are in good condition and tuned right
✌ from Germany,great work
How much cost this set up (stage 3?)
My car same 3.0 A5 2007
Intercooler (Wagner)
Garrett GT 35
I have bought👍
Maybe can have some infos
Thanks✌
Sorry for my English👌😂
Hi, please email us with the VIN number and we will price up the same options. Thanks
Hey guys I'm going to try another social media platform in case this one doesn't work but I've got a 2012 Q7 3.0 TDI prestige what are the power potentials when just doing a tune on it
Please email the VIN etc to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk and we will advise!
Even on stock hardware with dpf still in place you should see 320 bhp and 750nm, this map needs to be revised.
On a different Dyno maybe, HPFP pump can't keep up so how do you explain how to get more?
@@ryanp6138 You have a CCWA meaning you have a CP4.2 pump, you should be able to inject 98mg of fuel. Taking you up to 365-370bhp because you already have plenty air with the hybrid.
@@RealGX not the case, rail pressure drops at 340hp
Any tuning needed for cp4 metering valve upgrade on stage 1 ccwa? Or plug n play
It won't hurt to and yes plug and play
👍🏻
Have you remap after install bigger turbo?
yes but fuelling was not changed much as the pump is already close to the limit
Hey, is the s tronic still alive? How much km do sou drive with this setup?
yes it is, done well over 30,000 miles I would think.
My 3.0tdi does 293hp and 634nm no dpf deleted and stock exhaust. Why does this one only make w272hp with dpf deleted?
Differences between Dynos, engine age, condition, DPF condition etc etc. Many variables. You can only compare the same car on the same dyno on the same day to be 100% sure
What engine and gearbox code is this? CCWA KCS?
CCWW and MNJ gearbox
So, how is it to drive now? Also, does it smoke?
very fast, no smoke still
How does it run a standard tune with no dpf. Won't it go into limp mode ?
obviously the Software for that side of things was taken care of.
By far the best project I’ve followed.
How much money has this cost you so far?
We have spent a lot of money on this project, and a lot of time but for a customer to get this power, its going to be roughly £6k but email for a quote :)
6k aint to bad! Considering u can buy one of these cheap, around 10k for 350hp diesel daily, that will move along the road nicely
@@toyotaturbo504 not many ways to get this sound, speed, economy and comfort and this price while still looking good.
@@ryanp6138 i agree with you 100% also 4wd for winter daily use! Good economy's, nice torque nice horsepower and sound! For under 10k easily!! I did look at these a while ago and always wondered what ur new GTD turbo would do on a v6 3.0tdi audi system, where do u source the new diesel pump from? Audi themselves? I hope to see nice performance again! When u upgrade.
@@toyotaturbo504 The GTD2263 not a straight fit on older engine otherwise I would try it. Nice turbo
Do you guys make parts for Jeep wk crd?
Unfortunately not, sorry!
How much for an exhaust and remap? Not looking to go mad as I drive a lot but would like a bit more power and throat 😃
Drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopment.co.uk with the reg and we can advise on the prices and power figures :-)
What are the maximum figures you are looking for to gain? Very impressive I will be bringing my a5 to you very soon for some work.
Fuel pump limited now but 400 should be possible
@@ryanp6138 Very nice I was thinking around 400 myself depending on fuel pump.
What kind of price would a customer be expecting to pay for the same upgrades as this just without the meth install.. its not something im interested in running on my daily car
@@blackmagic9317 Hi Craig. Drop us an email to sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk with your reg and the mods you are looking for, and we can send you a quote. Cheers
Thats great but how the hell is it gonna pass MOT?
This is why mine still has the DPF
Que preparación se le puede hacer a un 3.0 TDI V6 AUDI A5 SLINE QUE ES EL MIO LO TENGO EN STAGE 2 PERO QUIERO MÁS QUE TURBO LE PUEDO PONER
We have many options, email us!
Will you be taking the A5 to the strip ? Estimated eta ? 13
12s at this specification will easily be possible
As fast as a metro 1.8 turbo but with out the death feeling and a heated bum.
Wonder how much the manual gearboxes can take compared to that autobox.
They do seem fairly strong, manual next for our big power projects!
@@DarksideDevelopments I actually have a A6 C7 3.0tdi V6 manual which is quite rare to be honest I haven't seen any manuals ever for sale except mine 😂
I'd be up for heading over and letting you guys map it and get some proper knowledge on these V6's
Bmw e92 335d with remap plus dpf off from 286 hp to 376hp. With no mods at all
Theyre twin turbo though, wonder what the vag 3.0 bitdi tunes too as they are 315bhp standard so more of an equal to the 35d engine
@@leet7031 330d is a more accurate comparison, usually more expensive base car and mostly RWD unless you pay twice this price. I own a 335d X drive too and this is much faster
Would love to do this to my a5 but knowing my luck it would fuck
how much power can you get from an engine like that ?
is it as good in making big power as an 335D ?
Take a look at our other video's, you can do good power!
@@DarksideDevelopments I have seen it, 500 Hp is pretty impressive. Cheers.
How much would an f30 330dx make with same upgrades
Got a tuning blog here for you to give you a rough idea www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/Blog/tuning-the-bmw-x30d-n57n-n57d30a-30-diesel-engine/
How far can you take a Q7 3.0 tdi BUG from 2008 ?
Depends on Budget! Drop us an email!
The soot coming out isn't exactly burnt diesel like most think..Now before people say what do you know blah blah blah My old man here in Australia is the C.E.O of a company that has been making diesel engines since the 60s maybe even earlier..So we got some very expensive engineers on hand and we learn alot from them and I would argue that that slight increase of power is coming straight from the meth its self and the water and meth is causing it to not burn as much fuel in the combustion chamber hence the more soot/unburnt diesel all diesel guys know you don't want to cool combustion temps it needs heat & compression to burn properly and that silly water meth is having a big side effect on that process so piss it off throw more fuel at it more air and can't have enough sensors before and after more data the more you can learn about what its doing the more you learn what its doing when and where the more you can manipulate the power
Get your old man to do some testing for us :)
How much did the egt drop with the water/methanol injection?
between 50 and 100 degrees
@DarksideDevelopments that's actually quiet good 👍
I've been pondering over investing money in just a remap or uprated turbo + remap + custom exhaust, would MOT still be viable if I kept the DPF?
Also, I noticed there is also a "high flow race dpf" sold by yourselves, is this road capable?
CFFB 2.0tdi (140bhp), aiming for 200 smoke free.
Keeping the stock DPF will be the best way to pass an MOT and the only fully legal way. As long as its not blocked then this doesn't cause much of a restriction. Please drop us an email and we will price up some options for you - sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk
any modifications with gearbox? ive heard it can go only for 500 Nm max
Please read the spec list. We have Oil Cooler and Gearbox tune
@@DarksideDevelopments oh i see, thank you
Have you ever worked on the VAG 2.5TDI V6 from 98-04 ?
Yes a few but these are not the best platform to start with for tuning.
@@DarksideDevelopments I know, I'm even surprised that you worked on them. What results did you get ?
@@glovercarvalho1930 Not had many on the dyno, they respond well to tuning if they are running OK in the first place!
I remember that the fuel pump on these plays about ?
The earlier models (pre 2003) used to fail a lot, also heard that those were very restrictive for some reason. I never understood why because the same pump is being used on trucks. And they also can't be upgraded since they're linked straight to the cars ECU and for that you'd need Bosch tools that basically no one has.
How much boost are you running now ?
2.3bar
Very interesting good to see your showing what actually happens rather than just pretending it makes far more power than it could make
Tell me about the pump conversion do you slow the cp3 down or still run at engine speed best thing for a cp4 pump is the bin biggest piece of crap bosch ever made good luck with the project.
Well that's the idea, the day could have gone differently but we would have still filmed it! It went so well we were happy. We will have a 1:1 bolt on kit first and the bigger pump will need us to produce custom brackets
Pulleys from factory are half speed
You need some heating in there, looks cold even on camera
It was John Sleath's Dyno. Ours is much warmer!
How the clutches holding up with that torque?
Will be 500hp at least before they slip!
Is this a manual ?
What's diesel do you recommend? Also, love this series!!
Cheapest diesel usually is the best, don't believe all the marketing!
@@ryanp6138 So do you mean supermarket fuel or decent fuel companies like shell. bp etc but not their premium stuff?
@@insidebyte8561 yeah cheap stuff, a few local stations had water recently
@@ryanp6138 ohh I have always been told to stay away from supermarket fuel
will it beat a chipped 535d bmw e60?
Yes
This Audi definitely needs the new 2012 LED lights and new alloys
All the tarty bits are coming after going to the nurburgring!
A intake air sport filter upragede ? Wtf ? Stock only brake power
Holy smoke☹...its a traktor now..
Only on dyno
Do you remap turbo petrol engines?
We don't, sorry!
Okay thanks for the quick reply!
Metering valve upgrade? What is that? Whay does it do?
Bigger air flow meter housing mate. Sits on the intake piping on the compressor side of the turbo. Like a popular upgrade on the s bodies are z32 mafs.
As opposed to a map sensor which measures the air pressure in the intake manifold. Which is far superior for making power.
Metering valve is a fuel pump part
MAF not limit yet
@@ryanp6138 are you on about the fuel sender unit? Or the bit that houses the fuel pump itself?
What exactly happens when you do the dpf delete?
What do you mean?
@@DarksideDevelopments
Exactly what I said. What do you gain by deleting the dpf?
@@SERBIASRT8 You said what happens, not what you gain. On a car with a blocked DPF, it could be a lot. On a car with a healthy DPF, the benefits are one less thing to go wrong, and more noise. They are not really a restriction unless you are going for big power
@@DarksideDevelopments what about the fumes and smoke?
What's your opinion about this type of exhaust turbo manifolds? They should spool the turbo pretty quick as log manifold, bur have better flow, than stock cast hard 90degree cut manifold. ofcourse this one is for 2.5tdi, but same can be done to 3.0tdi
czcams.com/video/bagYZK16-AA/video.html
That looks to be the easiest turbo to replace
These engines are actually really easy to work on!
😲 You lads have my Audi in a week Monday!
How much is that turbo? May as well think about blowing my budget even more! Haha
More than all the work you have out together just for the turbo!
How is s tronic dealing with that power/nm? I think its capable of max 600Nm
pre facelift B8s have a 6speed auto tiptronic
vivalaphill this is 7 speed dsg(s tronic)
1000nm capable easily
@@ryanp6138 1000nm ? Interesting as everybody was complaining about stronics failing ... Even on s5's ... I wonder why they didn't go with the stronic on the RS6 c7 and they went tiptronic ? Hate this box !
@@TheRealAnthony_real everything has ZF8 now as they are so versatile, even 1 series right up to 8 and X. All Longitudinal VAG Inc 4x4. It's a money thing too. These stroninc are complex
Your video content is really good, but do me a favour and please use a better microphone
It should be fixed on all the new videos!
@@DarksideDevelopments Yes, i heared the quality difference :D
I remapped a A5 3.0tdi quattro from 245bhp to 318 bhp no other upgrades also 530nm to 601nm.
Your Dyno must be much faster
Where
AMD Essex
Fantasy figures with no hardware I’d get a second figure done on another dyno
@@sukhdeepchatha1756 AMD Essex 😂😂 clowns!
Please, please, please get the mic issues sorted. Hard to hear what he's saying.
We have a new Dictaphone for the next videos. Its a million times better...
No son muchos Nm para esa caja automática?
They can handle up to 1000nm. We eventually took this to just over 880nm but clutch started slipping a little
@@DarksideDevelopmentscuantos nm aguantan entonces la stronic?
This one is S-tronic
Is it possible t engine swap a A5 coupe 2016 2.0 4cylinder
If you can buy it, dont build it!
@@DarksideDevelopments what do you mean
@@jordangomez4870 You can buy a 3.0 TDI A5 so it would be more cost effective to buy one rather than try build one
0-100 time now ?
0-60mph (0-96.5kph) Time - 4.42s
0-100mph (0-161kph) Time - 11.15s
1/4 Mile - 12.97s @ 108.98mph (176 kph) - w Gearbox Tune
1/4 Mile - 13.28s @ 107.9mph (174 kph) - w/o Gearbox Tune
50-80mph (80-129kph) - 3.77s (3.85s w/o GB Tune)
0-60mph & 0-100mph w/o Gearbox Tune - 4.74s & 11.41s
Why was this dyno done in shoot 6F?
6 cylinder :)
@@DarksideDevelopments Shoot 44 for for All wheel drive. 6F for six cylinder front wheel drive.
The later dynos on this car were done in shoot 44, so I don't understand why this was shoot 6F.
no goood diagramm.small turbo.you check,back pressure?
EMPs are very low. The Turbo is not too small for a Daily Driver, but we will be fitting a larger one
The only thing i want to know is costs for each mod...
All the parts are listed on our site
Why smokes much at low rpm?
not fully tuned