DID I BUY THE WRONG GTI? DCC SUSPENSION FULL REVIEW
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In this video I finally decide if I bought the wrong GTI Clubsport by not waiting for DCC cars to arrive.
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Thanks for the informative video. Another compliant option would be after market coilovers. My KW V3s together with bigger tire side walls (I currently drive 245/45/R17) handle broken pavement like a dream. Reaction times of the KW dampeners are sooo much faster even if you hit a curb or a pothole, the car never unsettles. Add some negative camber to the equation, the clubsport s spindles are really really good for mk7 golfs, and you've got yourself a girthy looking curve eater. A bit of warning though, wider performance tires introduce quite a bit of road noise though.
I drive a Mk7 Golf R Dsg on 18 inch Michellin Pilot Sport 4's on passive dampers and I find the ride a little brittle at low speed on uneven surfaces (but much more comfortable than when on the original Bridgestone Potenzas) but the set up comes together so well at higher speeds where everything smoothes out brilliantly and the handling and ride become sublime. I have never driven a DCC equipped car but despite the brilliance of the passive set up something tells me not to, as I just know I would like it and miss it when it was gone.
That's a great video - having owned a Mk 7 GTD with 19"s & passive dampers, I'd wholeheartedly agree that it's not good on poor surfaces!
There's so much about the Mk8 that I just don't "get" though, although I fully appreciate the chassis is superior to the Mk7/7.5.
However, I don't think I'd be in the market for a GTi now (although I almost bought a new Mk7 once) - I kind of need an estate, so it's an R for me!
Had the 18” non-DCC GTI, then the 19” DCC Cupra VZ. I found that lowering tyre pressures in the non-DCC car softened off the low speed pothole crashing. For the DCC car I keep the tyre pressures high for fear of damage, and it’s still significantly softer than the non-DCC car on most roads in my route. Maybe the tyres (all season Toyo vs Vredestein in my case) play into my perception too. My conclusion is still DCC is worth it - gives so much more breadth to the car’s abilities in long term use.
It’s always worth it but it doesn’t broaden the bandwidth as much as it used to 👍
My Clubsport I bought used was factory stock too and therefore doesnt have DCC either. What mine does have though is the decals extending onto the rear doors where they then say "Clubsport". Does anyone have an idea whether this would have been done from factory or aftermarket?
Interesting...I have a mk6 GTI with DCC and only ever use comfort mode for low speed driving down very rough pot-holed roads or un-made carparks or fields at festivals, it's far too "floaty" to want to use it for any spirited A or B road driving. I keep in normal 90% of the time, the rest in sport, which is fine on back roads unless there's potholes. I'm on 17's though.
Thanks for this great review, it`s what I was looking for mostly. I`m gonna order MK 8,5 GTI (not clubsport) with 17" default alloy wheels and I couldn`t still decided in terms of DCC. I`d appreciate your comments for 17" standard rims and DCC relation, because everywhere it`s mentioned regarding 18-19s all the time. I want a comfy ride and I drive mostly on not perfect EU suburban areas. I`m also considering doing a lot kms on highways. I`m not a person who drags the car from one corner to other, really.. I`m basically buying GTI to have a considerably "quicker cruiser". I`m certain for 17"s but I really appreciate your quick feedback regarding DCC with or without 17"s in facelifted MK8(265 hp). Cheers from Prague!
Excellent comparison! Especially liked the camera shot of the DCC vs normal dampers, never saw that before on any channel. Having DCC certainly makes it easier to live with stiffer performance tires. Active dampers have certainly come a long way in the last 20 years: many reviewers are blown away at how pleasant the ride is in the new Corvette C8 with dynamic suspension. Many have compared it to a Bentley, which is astounding considering the low profile tires on the Corvette.
It's clever stuff assuming the manufacturer has the budget to develop it properly. At around £1000 on the VW range it's a bargain, there isn't much else that influences the driving of the for every second it's in action.
I have a skoda superb sportline with 2.0 turbo engine that puts 268 bhp. When I make the suspension and direction into sport and the engine in normal I note the engine's accelerates better than the normal settings.
Have you felt the same in the gti?
Sharper throttle has always been a part of sport mode but it doesn't make the car accelerate faster, it just increases the throttle response. In some cars it's night and day different but in GTI CS it's not that different, probably because it's sharper in normal model (comfort) than the Octavia. It's a bit of a gimmick that well setup cars don't really need.
Is DCC an option on mark 7s? What proportion of mark 7s would have it?
I stated it before when you said DCC ACC was a gimmick and I will say it again. Unless you have driven or owned MK 7.5 or MK8 with DCC and ACC there is a difference.
Having gone from a Mk7 GTD on 19" wheels & passive dampers to a Mk 7.5 R Estate on 19" wheels & DCC, I'd agree - the ride of my R is far, far superior, it's actually a great grand tourer car (even on "normal" setting). The Continental SportContact6 tyres also seem a lot quieter than the (same sized) Pirelli Pzero tyres on my GTD were.
Had a cupra for 6 years and honestly found myself constantly changing the modes . I leave it in one setting now unless of course the road is atrocious. Still ended up cracking 2 alloys in comfort setting. 18’s no DCC needed. 19’s then yes.
Great video Andrew.
DCC was the best thing I specified for my car. Never underestimate the ride quality for any passengers (Mrs/Mr & kids). They don’t get the same connection to the car as the driver and a rock hard firm ride will just lead to complaints & moans which spoils the car for everyone. Just my 2p; but spend the £785 and you have a car for every situation.
So, for someone who does not currently own a GTI, but is looking to purchase one, would you recommend swinging for one with the DCC? I’m in the US, and for 2024 we’re getting the GTI 380 package on all trims which includes standard DCC. However, I still have the option of purchasing a 2023 non-Autobahn trim without DCC as well. Would you advise waiting until the 2024s roll around to ensure I pick up DCC?
I have DCC on my 35th GLI and if I had to do it again I'd make sure I got it
Depends on the roads where you are, I personally wouldn’t put off a purchase for it. On reflection it was nice to have 1 size fits all dampers but roads by me are ok
Decent review, the DCC does make a massive difference on the motorway and B roads. I'm convinced after having DCC anything without it would be a step backwards now.
Great video but unfortunately the sound still lacking,lots of white noise then the commercials bust your ears.
Dynamic dampers just scream $$$ repair time to me. I don’t know, maybe I’m old school… I’ve been looking in marvel at how simple the underside of a Mk 1 Escort…. no dynamic dampers there.
Have you driven a Mk 1 Escort?
Yes Mk 1 1100cc saloons and Mk 2 1100cc and 1600 sport. Loved them, Fords were easily the best everyday cars in the 1970’s, but compared to today’s they are very basic ( which was great because you could work on them). Today’s cars are basically the same but much more sophisticated, the ride quality of today’s cars, the mpg, performance, the bodywork rust protection, the electrics are hugely better. The dcc is a fantastic bit of kit, whether it falls to bits early or not we’ll have to wait and see.
Brilliant review Andrew! Have DCC on my MK8 150 tsi, and love it to bits. Driving around bumpy city roads in the most comfortable setting is so smooth, and when I’m alone on a twisty mountain road, the firmer settings spice things up. It’s night and day, it does it all! Cheers, Tom
Wow that’s rare on a 150! I’m jealous 😆
Good video, though I'm not sure why the R wouldn't have as much front end compliance as a gti Cs.
It's predominantly a front wheel drive car until the rears are needed.
I'm not sure that's what I said. I didn't reference DCC 8R much apart from saying that the steering/front axle didn't feel as sharp, pointy, or accurate as the GTIs. I did wonder if the DCC shocks might be to blame for that and the Clubsport with DCC would lose some of that magic but it didn't which made me conclude that the 8R was set up that way to be a bit more laid back presumably for high speed stability on the autobahn and also to allow its torque vectoring to influence its cornering more.
@@volkswizard perhaps that might be the case and it's just set up to be more compliant and top speed
Just bought a Golf Mk7.5 GTI. At first I thought DCC was a nice to have, but when we test drove the first one, we went through a patch of forest (still paved), and when we switched to Comfort it felt like driving on clouds
I hope you dont lie,becose i want to buy one with dcc and its 2k more expensive
I actually drove the car now and it is very noticeable.
The Mk 8 has just hit Australia and it makes the 7/7.5 seem so old… it’s a significant step up for the last Golf.
I came across an advertisement for a Mk8 GTI for sale in Melbourne A$65k its a bit hard to swallow that price. I turned down a golf r at 54k then they went back to 65k. What will they be when they get to us. Too much.
@@philipguacci6452 Thats what i think of the Golf R MK8 as well. Its in the ballpark of a BMW M2.. And thats coming from a GTI Clubsport MK7 owner who is so happy he bought it before prizes started going Nutz! Id say buy a used Clubsport MK7 instead like mine! (if u can find it) 👍
@@tredfxman I have a 2008 Tornado red Gti with 81,000kms. In 2020 it had lots go wrong and cost me heaps. Still have it. But I am looking at a i30N dsg. Maybe if price is right?
I also live in Australia and have one of the last TCR's. our car is not being replaced by a MK8.
i sold my Golf R to buy the TCR. and the price of the new model is quite ridiculous. i would rather pay
the extra cost and buy an M2 or the last of the RS3's that still have the luxury of a dash i can understand.
and my 7.5 does not creek or rattle or have electrical problems and still retains the same windscreen,
Dynamically speaking, yes it has - the Mk 8 has clearly moved on from the Mk 7/7.5. Tech - wise, I just don't"get" the Mk 8 at all. Putting the functions all onto a touch screen format just smacks of cost saving - which is fair enough, it's just not for me - to the extent that when my 7.5 R estate is due to go back, I'll just buy it, rather than go for a Mk 8. The prices also need to get more "real" too (but that will happen over time, I'm sure).
You can spec the Golf R with performance pack which includes special mode but not with DCC. Wonder if it would feel any different then?
Thanks for the vidéo. I do have received my golf 8R with passive bumper. I do not feel the car too hard except in the city. Do you think that dcc would make a huge difference? In your video seems that dcc is not improving comfort in Town. Thanks in advance.
Exactly, in town it's not really any better and that's why I'd normally buy DCC. However these are not comfort cars and what 'ring mode feels like on a country road (in a Clubsport at least) is so good it's worth the £785 easily
@@volkswizard thank you for your answer. What about difference between comfort between R and club sport? Huge?
Good vid. Did the clubsport start getting “special mode”
As standard or did it only come when specced with DCC? Did the 45 come with DCC as standard ?
I had Scirocco without DCC and now with DCC. DCC is very usefull and I can feel the difference between DCC and no DCC
Help needed please, a mk7 PP on 19" Santiagos without DCC, yes or no? Also, in Tornado Red, yes or no?
I'd say " yes" - you could always buy 18" wheels if the ride was bad. I had a Mk 7 GTD specced exactly like that (was an already specced VW order) - it was acceptable, but the Pirelli Pzero tyres were pretty noisy. Was by no means too harsh for a long run. Not sure how the GTi PP would differ? I also ran the GTD on 17" Dijon wheels & winter tyres during the winter - it rode fine on that🤣
Having said that, I've an R estate on 19" Spielbergs with DCC & it IS definitely better (quieter tyres too).
@@andrewmcivor42 Thanks for your answer, I've gone with a 2018 European standard spec GTI on 18" Milton Keynes, white silver in the end, manual 2 door, 12.5K miles on the clock
@@SilverShamrock71 nice.... enjoy👌
@@andrewmcivor42 thanks, picking it up at the weekend, can't wait :)
@@SilverShamrock71 👍👍
Nice Vid! :). But the Special mode does it shift self when hit redline??. That doesn´r mine R in Special mode. Love that mode!, the best and most fun mode on bumpy backroads :)
I did cover this at the end, it does indeed shift at red line and kickdown so R's 'ring mode is better in that respect
@@volkswizard That is so strange, the Best thing with the Mk8 is that it don´t upshift in the Special mode.. It is a bit dangerous when the car upshift self at track.. Had some scary moments with my Mk7.5 in fast corners...So wonder why the CS don´t hold the gears?!..
So, DCC if you drive hard on country roads or track days, but for most people who want a club sport or R just use as a daily driver then I think the passive suspension would be more than adequate. Great video and well informative 👍🏼👍🏼
I guess that's it as DCC on these cars doesn't make it that much more comfortable which is the primary reason why I'd want it.
Is it possible to put dcc later on?
Found the discussion at the end great and raises questions about comfort and drive ability/ride quality vs looks. Looking at an m135i and the dilemma is would you recommend the adaptive suspension on the m135i?
Problem is you have to have it with 18” wheels though, as it cannot come with 19” on adaptive.
So, the better looking, but firmer riding 19” and passive? Or 18” and adaptive?
So tricky! There is an appeal in the simplicity of a passive damper car. What I learned with this video is that firm is like eskimos and snow, there are many varieties of it in cars. For example some are firm whatever the speed, others loosen up. Try and test drive for yourself as what is acceptable is very subjective. I'm lucky as my wife has a Mk2 TT on 19s and passive dampers so for her my car's ride is plush :)
Odd the wheel size I agree, on the 18' you'll likely get better ride comfort (DCC aside). If it is a heavy daily I would say DCC, if it is more of a weekend/fun car go passive.
Also what is the price difference? Is it something you could perhaps aftermarket into 19' later on? (Though personally I am not an aftermarket fan)
Though ultimately I would go for the Golf R or if you want something a little more reserved S3
@@volkswizard Crikey yes the TT ride on MK2 :D
Found that out a few weeks ago
@@volkswizard I actually found the m135i on 19s on the test drive very firm, but well damped and not harsh at all. Almost a nice medium. I agree I like the simplicity of passive set up too. Only occasional roads I think I’d like it a bit softer, but I think the 135i strikes a good middle ground. It’s way better than my old f30!
Great video as always Andrew.. Are your Vossen wheels 0.5" wider than the Estoril's? In addition to the offset difference
That's a good point, yes Clive I think they are hence why the tyre is a very slight stretch (same 235 35 19). Basically the extra offset is the extra width mainly.
Good comparison Andrew. Think the new Cupra Leon VZ3 300 would make a great review. Cheaper than the CS, yet as standard comes with 19"s, DCC, 370mm 4 pot Brembos, Nappa Leather, seat heating, electric seat adjustment, 3 zone climate, park assist, rear camera, and more room in the back. Even a spare wheel and jack! Expect you've seen AE track comparison where it was quicker too.....
The Cupra has been priced aggressively but there are 2 issues;firstly the VW discount available makes the CS cheaper and with the spec equalised it won't be very far apart. Secondly the Golf still has that wonderful classless vibe about it - look it at this way, would a millionaire by a Cupra as daily alternative to their supercar? Unlikely. Would they buy a GTI, yes.
However I'd like to try the Cupra and see for myself. I did email Seat UK about a Formentor 310 loan but never heard back so not sure how realistic getting the Leon will be but I will ask.
@@volkswizard valid points. Golfs always have the premium status although clearly VW are sticking on huge margins in order to push EVs. Never uaed Broadspeed, but offering £4.6k off the Cupra....
The reason they called it Special and not Nurburgring was licensing.
I thought that but they used the official Nurburgring logo on the image which would have to have been licensed too? Maybe cheaper than calling it Nurburgring mode as well?
Thanks Andrew, excellent specific review of the DCC! The physical measurement of the height diff blew my mind. I haven yet to come across another reviewer done that before...
Glad you enjoyed it! I wish I could say I'd planned that carefully but it just came to mind as I'd noticed the car looked lower and I'd read something about suspension height differences. It could possibly be lower due to the 19" wheels but trying to get a DCC on 18s to compare will be nigh on impossible (and you need 19s anyway 😉)
I've just watched the first 30 seconds of this car, and this guy is totally relatable for me. The trouble and the headache I'm having to try any find a replacement for my Scirocco with DCC so far is painful. Hopefully the rest of this video is relatable and informative too! *hits send comment button and watches the rest of the video*
You still looking for a replacement...or did you decide on something?
@@millicentgranger6035 I kept my car. I need a diesel to make it economical to get to work. I won't find another diesel vehicle that has the DCC - or at least I'm struggling to find a Scirocco with that spec. There are plenty of Scirocco R's that have the DCC as standard. Once I'm in a position to make the switch from my daily commuter from a diesel to a petrol I'll end up getting a Scirocco R. In the meantime I have bought a 350z, drives great but comfort for long drives isn't quite there but its not what it was designed for to be fair.
I've been offered a cancellation on a Golf R, but without DCC. Do I really need it and I can literally pick the car up immediately ?
Tricky, my Clubsport was a bargain but didn’t have DCC and on 18s it’s fine, on 19s I miss DCC. If the roads where you are are ok then it will be fine but some uk counties are very bad. Not sure about pick car up immediately, if it’s at dealer then why not?
@@volkswizard I’ve gone for it 😄😄😄😄
@@richardfrench2637 hi how is the car
Without DCC?
Its fine on smooth roads but quite hard on bumpy ones
Have a bog standard R on order, no DCC. But then I guess I’m used to passive in my 7.5 GTi!
No driven that but the DCC car like the Clubsport was still pretty firm even in comfort mode. I'm pretty sure you'll find it better than the 7.5.
Now thats a bouncy set up...
@@davidhaygarth648 Well if you plan to swap coil overs later it dosent matter much. I would have done our Swedish Ohlins road & track! 👍
I have just ordered my CS without DCC on 19’s. I was considering it a lot but was told I wouldn’t notice much difference when I put in my order, so upgraded the stereo to Hardman Kardmon instead! If I had seen your informative video, then I would have probably added DCC!
Rule 1 - don't trust a sales person :)
If it's too hard and it comes on Goodyear Supersports, consider the F1 Assymetric 5 instead as then you will be like mine which is OK. You can have a tweak of the tyre pressure too at the expense of a bit of mpg. Whatever, it's still an awesome car :)
How much was the Hardman Kardon upgrade option. Cheers
@@volkswizard thanks for the reply. I will keep your advice in mind and see how it goes!....
Can't wait to get behind the wheel and enjoy this car!
@@mnl493x £625 😳
@@scallywag73ify pass🤪
Great Video, got to ask your self sometimes is it my car or the sheer neglect on the UK roads thats the problem ....
For sure, German is a different world. I mean DCC is just for riding the 'rings kerbs, here we need it to go the shops!
Is it true that the ckubsport without dcc dont have the nurburgring mode?
True
What’s worse is performance pack r without dcc has ring mode - the comfort dampers are a key part of ring rode so that’s a bit crap
Beautiful video Andrew.
Are there any good reasons not to have DCC?
(excluding savings)
Not really
I’ve got a Golf R 7.5 with DCC and Race & Comfort mode are like night and day. I love it. I have an Astra H VXR with IDS suspension too but the Golf is in a different league with DCC when changing settings.
DCC is indeed a lot more obvious in its working on 7 and 7.5 R because the car is setup very different. I'd guess spring rates are softer than 7.5 GTI while Mk8 GTI has even harder spring rates. You've got to be able to overcome the spring tension before the damper influences the ride and that's Mk8 with and without DCC takes some speed before it starts to loosen up.
had magnetic ride on a Audi and it made no difference. switched to a VW with passive and it was a far better ride. if it was any good it would be more than a £800 option.
You'll be amazed at how much firmer the sidewalls are on the F1 SS vs the Assym5! I've recently gone from Assym 5 to SS on my non-DCC mk7 R and the ride is so much firmer ... particularly at low speeds. I think of both cars were on the same tyres you'd notice the difference even more! Great video as always
Thanks for the feedback. It's funny because I'd guessed/hoped that 18" SS would ride the same as 19" Assymetric 5 and I was right. I do notice a slight loss of steering directness due to maginally more flex in sidewall but it's still good. If I was pushed I'd say it drove better on the awful looking 18s because of that hence why the think man's choice would be higher offset 18"s with Supersports. I love the wheels so much though so no regrets, it's still awesome!
I've found it's quite hard to find gtis with dcc and sunroofs unless they have every option going. You would think been a sports car dcc would be standard but I guess they want people to look at the cupra. Same with the mode button on the steering wheel which seems a sensible idea rather than an option. Hey hum.
I think if DCC is that much of a "must" as all the reviewing "experts" (and assorted moaners) say, the car would surely be fitted with it as standard. Otherwise why bother fitting passive dampers at all?? Anyway, I have a MK8 GTi (245PS) from dealer stock, no DCC and I think it's perfectly fine (and you want to see some of the roads around here) I had a 20 plate Audi S3 (8V) on passive dampers prior to the GTi and it was as hard as hell. Now if ever there was a car that was a "must" for DCC, then that was definately it. I'm the same age as you too Andrew, so I suppose it's a subjective/personal choice thing at the end of the day.
Why isn’t it standard? MONEY! Taking that logic to its full conclusion, we could say “the VAQ diff isn’t a must if it doesn’t come on the base Golf”.
TBH the VAQ diff isn't a"must" either. It's a technological upgrade that improves the car's handling performance, but it's certainly not an essential feature.
Also in Germany where the roads are glass smooth you probably wouldn't need it unless you went to the 'ring or wanted to harder than passive dampers for a proper circuit (which DCC is really good at, not so good at going much softer though)
@@volkswizard proof for me of just how good the passive set up is on the MK8 GTi is when it's compared with the S3 that it replaces. On a stretch of B road near me,, which pretty much resembles a roller coaster, taking the S3 over it at much over the speed limit can actually feel unsafe, to the point where you think you're gona be thrown off the road! No such worries in the GTi, which is totally composed and comfortable.
VW just seem to do it better than Audi in certain areas, who with the A3/S3 range at least - seem to think that throwing the hardest springs and dampers at it is somehow providing a "sporty" ride.
@@stupot8572the base Mk7 GTI brakes & diff are the same as the Mk5 GTI. The Performance brakes and diff are a must to anyone who tries them. Maybe if the owner is gonna keep stock power levels and stay within urban speed limits. At which point, again, why not just buy a base Golf or a TDI?
I’ve owned a MK7 Golf and 7.5. DCC does make a difference
@volkswizard….would you recommend DCC for a mk8 golf gtd?
I'd ALWAYS recommend it as it's only £800
sad that u only have 50k subs u deserve way way more. cheers!
I am an owner of a Golf 8 eTSI and having massive issues while the engine is running in the 2-cylinder mode. Engine makes a horrible rattle noise and the whole front end shakes badly. Went to the dealer who did an engine software upgrade but problem still remains, anyone who can help me out?
4:42 They're just shit cars, imagine opening your own door, that's unlocked, and immediately being greeted by some annoying alarm 😅😅😅
Great video Andrew I guess there's not much in it for comfort, but I'd still tick the box to have DCC as my current mk7 GTi has is. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Totally agree Musti 👍👍👍
You need DCC in Australia which is probably why it's fitted as standard. Our roads are rough.
Great Review - which made me realise I had made the wrong decision by not speccing it on the mk8 GTI.
Could you look to see if dealers can fit the system after purchase and if not are there any after market solutions?
I've never heard of it being available on the aftermarket. I honestly wouldn't worry as I am not jumping to swap to a DCC GTI. However with prices as they are now you can get out of a car for minimal cost or possibly even profit but you'd need to factory order a new one to get a good deal. Also consider 18" wheels and softer side wall tyres like Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 5
Stick with the original 18 “ wheels 😎
Why 18” over 19”. I’m asking as I’m about too spec a new golf 8 GTD Cheers
@@mnl493x hi, if you look up the pro’s and cons of 18 vs 19” wheels on CZcams I think you’ll find that it boils down to these two factors, 1) 19” wheels look good, I think most people would agree on that 2) 18” wheels handle and ride much better.
Handling and ride quality should trump ‘looks’ when it comes to any performance car or you won’t be getting the maximum performance and handling that the car is capable of, when I see a Golf R or similar with 19” wheels I cringe.
Another lesser point to consider is that 19” wheels require more expensive tyres and I believe braking distances are not as good as 18” but don’t wore me on that one.
My cars with 19” wheels are seen just ‘cruising’.
The choice is, looks or performance?
@@BobK5 yeh makes sense I’ll stick with the 18” 👍
18s but which 18s is the problem. VW dont give us any options to switch them out, the std R 18s are fine, why couldnt we just have them rather than Richmonds? I'm waiting on a CS which will have 18s but I added in DCC anyways, having that for the future and maybe it will help with residuals, aslo having a "Ring mode" is good to show off with. Now back to which 18s, aftermarkets or OE like Pretoria 18s?
It seems to me the Golf Mk 7 has the best compromise between handling and ride comfort where as the Golf 8 has sacrificed a bit of both. Still love both of them though.
Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly, Golf 8 handles much better at the expense of some ride comfort. With DCC even in comfort it's still firm as the spring rates are higher than Golf 7. Golf 7 (even TCR) was never a real rival for Civic Type R, I30N, Focus ST, 8 GTI now is, and this is the price you pay. Worth it for me but for those who don't push the car much and have to put up with the unyielding ride, maybe not.
Great video. I'm happy to have the Mk7 CS on 18s with passive having seen this. Also good to see the ed. 35 in the background!
Thanks Martin. Glad you are happy and yes that drove very well on 18s, I think the 7CS's 19" Brescia wheels might be heavy hence why it feels so inferior. Edition 35 should be the subject of the next video. Bumper & wheels done as well as DSG oil change.
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They charge £100 if you use Royal :)
Also, 18" smoked grey Sevilles with red pinstripe on a mk7 Tornado Red, what do you think? (can't find any pics)
Probably one of the very few youtuber channels I believe these days.......thanks for the honest review.
Thanks, that means a lot. I really tried hard to look at this objectively and not be swayed by owner bias seeing as I own a non-DCC car. I think in simple terms you should order if you can but a car in stock without it, for most people will be fine.
Great video mate. I'm running 18"s on my R-Line and I've been told by the dealership that the R-Line shares the same, or very similar suspension with the GT* cars. So I thought I'd ask how you felt the difference was going from 18s to 19s on the CS? Awful roads over here in Ireland and I'm cautious about going up an inch with the stiffer suspension on the R-Line.
Hi Andrew.
Great informative video as always.
I'm more than happy with my Mk8 GTI.
I've owned a Diesel Skoda Fabia and Petrol Octavia VRS's in the past but the Golf is special.
It's history, those 3 letters and the sheer driving enjoyment from this car.
Keep up the good work. Your insight into the marque is excellent.
Thanks. T.
Hi. I ordered mk8 GTI which will arrive in August. How do you find the haptic feedback buttons on the steering wheel ?
Got a scirocco r with DCc theres a hell of a difference between comfort and sport mines got optional 19inch alloys aswell.
It's the same with Mk7 Golf R. However the newer cars have significant stiffer springs and you've got overcome those before the damper has much of an effect on ride. Same with Mk8 Clubsport and R
Hello Andrew if your planning to keep your CS for a while and doing a number of track days you could do something similar to what Joe Achilles has done with his new M4 and get your chassis set up how you want it on the CS and not how it's set at the factory, just an idea but be warned its expensive and also would you want to invalidate the warranty.
I'll have to watch that video. I thought you were going to say chassis setup would not invalidate warranty or be expensive (compared to traditional swapping out hardware mods). It's still primarily a road car for me and I suspect the changes from 7.5 TCR to Mk8 CS are actually enough for the odd track day already (stiffer springs, increased negative camber plus bigger brakes). We shall find out in mid July!
I'm also toying with a Mk7 CS project which would be 50/50 track road use and no warranty issues.
@@volkswizard Hi Andrew that particular video from Joe Achilles was on his brand new M3 not M4 as I stated and I'm sure it wasn't cheap you'll have to watch it to find out . Regards Simon.
Can you retrofit DCC to a car that doesn't have it already? I ordered a CS with DCC but had to cancel as VW UK were telling me it would be 2022 before I took delivery (I ordered on 3rd March). Instead I'm getting a 21 plate Audi S3 but that is on passive dampers as well, so presumably if it's possible for VW to retrofit, then it will be for Audi as well? I just genuinely don't know if that is even a thing.
Anything is possible but I doubt it's cost effective and would invalidate warranty. Try 18s and softer sidewall tyres if you want more comfort maybe?
Thanks for this! I've been weighing up whether DCC is worth bothering about and this has been very helpful.
Mr VolksWIZARD 'knows his product' which is so refreshing in this day and age. Always enjoy the deeper dives, thanks Andrew.👍
Glad you enjoyed Graeme it! I decided to go deeper on DCC as even the configurator doesn't state what you get with it & it can affect the character of the car a lot though not as much as say a 7R on 19s with/without it.👍
Would you say on the 7.5 GTI the DCC are a must have?
I'd say that depends what you're going to do with it. If you want to put it on coilovers it doesn't matter but if your planning to keep them stock or change them for bilstein dcc dampers you should get them. In my opinion you don't need them but they are nice to have
@@Josh_0579 thanks for sharing your experience. Thinking of getting a 7.5 gti next year so I appreciate it!
Passive dampers all the way.
Why ?
Why are y’all driving on the wrong side of the road? Kidding. Great video… commenting from the USA. I went GLI Autobahn
Thanks Richard! Your US spec cars are cool, we don't get them, not even the Germans do and they have autobahns! The right hand drive/driving on left originated with horses, you wield your sword with your right hand (usually) so you need that in centre of road, hence why driving on right is the wrong way :)
Great video Andrew, as expected that DCC is a must really.
I'd argue even more so in Ireland
I've been to Ireland and I'd agree, 18s too!
Have DCC on my Mk8 R. Would not be without it!!!!! Kids and wife its comfort mode. Me on my own its Special setting.....
Great video. I wouldn’t swap my I30N Performance for anything right now but I can see the appeal of the Clubsport. Adaptive dampers are crucial and the I30N would be ruined without them imo. I’d be very interested for you to get a hold of the 2021 I30N with the DCT. Purely, because you certainly know your cars and you have a very objective way of doing your videos. Anyway, keep up the great work.
Very useful, the. Will definitely consider DCC next time (MK7 non-performance pack here).
For the money it's a nice thing to have
Good info.well worth 800 pounds I would say
Just off topic though of fake sound, changing this on a MK 8 GTI must change the ECU because it controls the exhaust pops, if you set to sport engine sound in individual mode and driving setting on either Eco, comfort you will get the pops, set the sound to Eco or comfort on sport driving and the pops are not there. It's weird but try it if you didn't already know
Great video Andrew.
I have one on order, also in reflex silver but I spec’d DCC. Good to see that i might find it a worthwhile option.
Also spec’d those 19” estorils!
How much extra was the 19” estorils option joe? Cheers
@@mnl493x about €1100, I’m in Ireland.
Love having DCC on my Mk7.
Great review, I'm looking at a used 7.5 gti performance on 18s, would you say dcc is worth having on less than 19"?
It's never a bad thing really especially if you encounter bad surfaces regularly (Oxfordshire/Northants/Gloucs etc) but a passive damper 7.5 PP is OK, a TCR is noticeably harder for example
What about fitting some KW coilovers? Guess they’ll make the stance much better and they’re known to still be quite comfortable
I've never experienced a set of coilovers that is more comfortable than a factory set up. I even tried Bilstein DCC coil overs and they were hard and harder mainly because the springs are so stiff the damper can't really do much. The other issue is warranty so it would be lose lose. Must be nothing more annoying that spending all that money and to find it's no softer.
Yeah, you mugged yourself off @volkswizard. You should have waited. Good review :)
Keep up the hard work with the videos! Being an owner of a TCR on 19's with DCC, I'd never buy a Golf without that option. I'm seeing nothing that wants me to buy a new Mk8 Clubsport, but will wait for the prices to drop second hand. Bizarrely, the TCR seems to be holding value incredibly well.
Same here! Im a Clubsport MK7 owner on 18's & DCC etc.. Golfs after Clubsport and TCR's have gotten to expensive & to ugly. The Golf R MK8 is pricewise in the ballpark of an BMW M2.. They gonna have to make a revolution for the MK9 to become interesting to me whenever that arrives... 👍
Cars don't have same tires, in that case you should measure height from center of wheel to top wheel arch, to get tyres out of equation. Word "Nürburgring" is just one letter longer then "Individual" and I bet it could fit there just as fine. DCC better as expected I would say :D
Individual has 4 narrow letters (I i i l) while Nurburgring only has one narrow one and one more extra letter so;
individual
nurburgring
So you can see above this has the effect of being 2 letters longer than a word that's already a tight fit.
Forgot to say, I measured sidewall after checking pressures and it was the actually the same - both tyres are from Goodyear (though different models) and have similar tread depth.
What's with the awful beeping? How can I not know the door is open when I literally just opened it to get in.
Ignition on so the screens were ready to be used.
I'm glad it was not a massive difference as I've been that guy who had ordered the standard Mk8 Golf R on a cheap lease plan. Haha.
All those cars that you don't want to buy at auction as it has no options haha.
How is ur ride without dcc ?
@@mmartinovic47 couldn't tell you mate. Car still hasn't arrived it's getting on 10 months now waiting
@@mistermister8593 wow 10 months ?!? mine is gonna be here in 15 days i hope so 🤞but i didnt get dcc
@@mmartinovic47 not bad mate. I've still got to wait till march apparently, UK cars are pretty much non existent at the moment.
In Australia DCC on the standard GTI is part of a pack that includes Leather and Sunroof neither of which I am interested in paying for.
Very odd marketing there then. Last thing I'd want in a GTI is slippery leather especially in a hot country!
I dont see how you can't upgrade. That will be an itch on every challenging piece of road until you scratch it.
Maybe Phil, but the passive damper car feels a little bit better in certain situations, it never rolls for a start, it's too subtle to try and explain in a video. DCC 8CS (ring mode), TCR DCC (normal mode) and 7CS (Passive damper) all roll quite a lot as they settle into a turn. They've done a mega job with the passive setup & it works on most of the roads I drive. If I lived in Germany where the roads are consistenly smooth, and never went on a proper track (where Sport +++ would be good) I'd be 100% happy with DCC. On Mk7 it's a different story. I genuinely am not swayed one way or the other and that's not because I own a passive damper car, I could get out of it really easily right now and just sit back and wait for a DCC CS to arrive later in the year.
@@volkswizard I understand. There is always a compromise. It's fair to say that it is mostly only better where I can't use it. I'd choose a GTI if I didn't also need to compromise. DCC on the 150hp Octavia estate (without multi-link) is mine. Ohlins TTX on a Yamaha R1 showed me how good quality suspension can be.
Great in-depth comparison! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Top stuff as always mate. Always good to see a MK7 Clubsport.
Thanks Josh 👍 Good to see a Mk7 Clubsport and drive one too!
Great comparison.. VW UK PR lent you the car and have just secured a huge number of DCC option sales in the country
Thanks! I guess that's what it's all about isn't it? TBH I could have said it was rubbish and at £2000 I probably would have had to consider its value a lot more but it's cheaper than 7.5 DCC and has the 'ring mode now too so it's a bargain. Car also sits lower at the back which for me would actually be one of the main attractions.
Hi mr volkswizard, if i order one, should i get iq lights or not? And you would never drive the nurburgring?
Hi, IQ lights are standard in UK (mine says it in the headlight and mine has no options) but if they aren't where you are then yes I'd order them. I've driven the Nurburgring many times and it's awesome but I've also seen a lot of crashes and a lot of UK folk in deep financial trouble because of it. I'd rather drive a UK track uninsured as you are more in control of your own destiny and driver skill and type of vehicle are a lot more uniformed on a proper track day. Which reminds me, a proper track day rather than touristenfahrten at the 'ring would be epic (as long as it doesn't rain!)
You’ve just broke my heart. 😂. Love my club sport but maybe adaptive dampers next time.
Honesly the passive damper car is great, it's just if you have got the option to spec DCC you should as it's so cheap. But if you haven't then don't worry, enjoy it, it's an awesome car!
Great video Andrew - your car looks so much better on the Vossen wheels 👍
Thanks Malcolm 👍
At first I thought this guy needs a haircut but then I watched a couple of his videos. Well researched and well presented, and a lot more factual than the usual CZcams car vlogger guff. Keep up the good work Sir, and keep that hair just the way it is 👏
Probably even better on UK roads with 18” and DCC
67mm! Oops
Nice! .. I was hoping you would make this vid.
Thank you very much
Glad you liked it S23!
I don't understand what you're talking about!
Mine seems to be finally sorted after going back for a software update 🤞🏻
Great news Dan! Whats your software version now?
@@volkswizard
Mine is on 1668 now which is the most up to date software version for the old hardware. I have been told VW change the hardware in them in November last year and the most up to date software is 1778 or something like that for ones on new hardware.
Andrew, I believe you bought the right GTi.