Drinker's Chasers - Avatar 2 First Impressions
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2022
- Since Chris Gore has now seen an advance screening of Avatar 2, he was good enough to drop in and deliver his verdict on the movie.
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Ford Vs Ferrari is the last film I can recall with a strong father son relationship
So true, that film brought tears to my eyes remembering my own dad teaching me about the fastest way to take a turn (aka the perfect lap) it was a real account even with the dramatic license it takes.
Great movie
@@caveatlector2671 Yep :)
It was released in the UK as Le Mans 66. What a film!
I loved that movie.
Chris Gore: "It's about family."
Vin Diesel: "Family."
Wait, this reminds me of that Ghost movie with Catherine Zeta Jones and Owen Wilson, that remake where the main woman at the end goes
"It's about family!!"
And ends it with "You go to Hell"
And the ghost dies! 🤣
@@V4Now Not seen that garbage but in The Drinker's reviews of the F&F film series, there's a set of cut scenes showing the amount of times the word "family" gets mentioned and it's a bit funny! 😄
Vin Diesel: "I am family. I am family."
@@V4Now The Haunting. A classic.
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On the weak dialogue "He designed all the action sequences and was like, I guess they should talk" pure gold
James Cameron works better with others, like William Wisher, Gale Anne Hurd, etc
I physically cringed every time the teen characters said "bro" or "cuz." It doesn't feel like it should be part of the Na'vi vernacular, yet it's used almost constantly.
@@corneliuandsons They clearly picked it up from Jake who came from a human society that used slang XD
@@wwehulk8798 good point actually
@@JostVanWair thx
The Samurai Jack cartoon showed me that you can tell a great story with minimal dialogue and mostly visual spectacles. The Dark Souls games and Elden Ring further showed me you can do it in video games too. Very few people can pull it off.
Youve just made me realise why i like Fromsoft games so much.
Samurai Jack was my favourite cartoon growing up.
Same with Primal , Gendy T’s newest show.
The self proclaimed critics will be criticizing, that's how they make money. Alien and Bladerunner were trashed by critics!
that's the best part about
👉🌈 IMAGINATION 🌈👈
Hate to tell you this but the Souls games don't have good stories, except for Bloodborne being the only exception and that game's story is just H.P. Lovecraft, the game. And I say this as a fan of the games with Bloodborne being one of my favorite games of all-time. The Souls/Elden Ring stories are honestly extremely straight-forward and generic. World's ending, go become the new "god" and save it whether it means become the new Lord of Cinder or Elden Lord. In the case of Demon's Souls, go kill demons and save Boletaria. The LORE is what people remember, and yeah, they're very different things. Now that isn't to say that the Souls games can't have good storytelling from time to time, specifically when it comes to environmental storytelling but the actual narratives of the games are pretty weak. I've never met anyone who plays them for the present narratives of the games. It's why channels like VaatiVidya got so big.
What Chris is saying is exactly what we all feared. The bar has now been set so low that even a mediocre or in some cases bad movie that doesn't follow the same conventions of being bad like everything else is by default elevated. This isn't where we should be. The bar used to be much much higher and now we're happy just to have an okay movie or a dumb but entertaining movie when we should be aspiring to have great movies like we had before. This is why writers should always advocate for good writing and good craftsmanship over cheap, lazy tricks and pandering to modern trends.
We have sunk so low that "turn off your brain" is now literally a recommanded way to watch movie.
cris gore has no taste
the passion is not there anymore too..
@@abjames3098 Nope.
Chris also said that the toilet was more interesting than the movie … we, interesting enough to visit twice during the course of the movie.
It's not just the opposite of a Renaissance right now. We're literally watching in real time as people forget how to create things. I wonder if the ancient Romans felt this way as the classical world slid into the Dark Ages.
I disagree. We remember. But we give power to idiots and exploiters, instead of creators.
In Rock music terms, this era is Prog Rock just before Punk hit!!!!
I'm hoping Independent World cinema will kick in, see RRR for example.
Nobody forgot anything - we just amplify mediocrity
It's that people got so used to the mediocrity of society and culture in the Obama era that it's considered "normal" nowadays due to how bad things have gotten in the 2020's when it'd be considered bullcrap in the Clinton and Bush eras, for some reason the 2010's are considered the "standard" for society nowadays because expectations are so low when it should be the 90's/2000's.
People didnt forget how create things. The system is made so incrediblr big movies are only in theaters and those movies are.made by people without experience or talent that are in that position becausr they are friends of the producers.
Chris saying Cameron designed all the action sequences and then decided "Well I guess they should talk" made me legit LOL.
I think it’s actually one of few films ever to pull of an excellent model of a healthy without needing to be perfect family unit where each role is modeled great.
Ikr? I was actually kinda surprised Cameron pulled that part off nicely.
Can't wait for the 30 minutes Drinker review, it's going to be glorious
I can't wait for the six to eight hour EFAP which utterly disembowels Avatar 2 and hangs it up by its intestines.
without cris gore and his left views
@@danieltilson4912... like strong nuclear family, father-child relationship?
@@danieltilson4912 didn't sound very lefty to me, infact it sounded the opposite. A film that needs supporting to show that we don't want woke crap in our movies. And it may not be the best story, but nobody can say there hasn't been a huge amount of passion and creativity put into making this movie.
There's criticism and there's nitpicking with a strong hint or hate if not trolling. It's a shame.
Top Gun Maverick was nothing short of being a much needed breath of fresh air. For me, the best part was when Maverick figured out he had to lead. Maverick had to lead and once he did, he proved it could be done.
so other than the aerial part of the movie, i cannot call anything in that movie a breath of fresh air. mavericks good, but it’s very paint by numbers legacy sequel thats pretty much a soft remake of the first film. you can enjoy it, but story is really generic for an action movie and doesn’t do anything surprising. just like avatar 2 won’t, but the visuals will be pretty
@@cokemaster3710 it does exactly what it needed to as a sequel. Feels like an actual genuine attempt at progressing the story and characters forward. Even though it takes place years later, it feels like we're right back in that world. Doesn't feel so distant from the first movie like other sequels coming out today. Doesn't feel current year.
@@n1harYT complex??? what are examples of movies that are complex?
marvel/dc isn’t complex all the stories are essentially the same except for a few. f&f, bond, and mission impossible follow same storybeats in most/all entries
@@cokemaster3710 was gonna say, he acts like every movie hollywood puts out is on the level of the prestige, when they're all really ten things I hate about you.
To this day I don't understand the praise and hype around Maverick, it put me to sleep twice.
As a 21 year old man: I've been thinking about this movie for the last three days and I finally think I know why. This movie is probably the first modern film I've seen with a strong good father figure and the traditional family patriarch. It was so awesome to see a movie that actually encouraged the traditional instead of totally bashing it in every possible way. When I saw Jake leading his family the way he did in this movie I was so incredibly inspired and felt encouraged.
I don't know if this resonates with other young men in my age from different cultures but I live in Sweden which is like a capital of feminism and liberalism, so this traditional family is so so so rare I've barely seen it
It’s not a traditional family though. You just like it so you’ve convinced yourself it’s traditional.
I really wish we had more diverse role models. Strong father figures? Cool. Strong married couple without kids? Also cool. Single mom toughing it out? Sure. But by pushing the latter so much, the former two fade into the background.
@@MsYunaFires you think families aren’t the primary thing in media?
Except he was a weak cuck who forgot everything he had learned the last time and put everybody around him at risk in his repeated attempts to avoid inevitable conflict. He was an awful leader and an awful father figure.
resonates with me Sondre Birkeland
So true about Cameron's dialogue. He was my favorite director in his prime, and Aliens may be my all time favorite film. But the difference between the raw, organic dialogue in Alien and the stilted, staged dialogue in Aliens is night and day. If a scene began with a character saying "Okay, let's go over this again" in Alien, it would have been immersion breaking considering how naturally the rest of the dialogue flows.
GAME OVER MAN
@@ManiacMayhem7256 Classic! He did have some fantastic dialogue too. Just about anything from Arnold or from Bill Paxton, especially.
Well one is horror movie and the is an action movie. You're comparing batman to the shining
When the RDA said, "It's Nukin' Time!" and nuked the entirety of Pandora, I smiled.
"Don't do that. Don't give me hope." /sadface Jeremy Renner
It was a critique I always saw with the first movie that if humanity was that desperate for resources they wouldn't hesitate to come back and 40k the planet and the Navi.
Even in the first movie when heavily outnumbered the humans were starting to win until an entire ecosystem started fighting them so they have no reason to believe anything on the planet is non hostile and to kill on site.
How are they even going to fight a ship that can stay in space and just drop their garbage on you for an orbital strike?
yeah this meme needs to be nuked
@@superbrainz2357 This was a major flaw in the narrative of the first movie, the humans pretty much were negotiating with the natives only out of courtesy/for humanitarian reasons. Especially considering the apparently limited oversight, RDA could probably just nuke them and play dumb if called out (eh, the natives? they kinda died off... no clue, really...). I don't remember what was the turn-around time on the big ship, but any native victory would last only a couple of years at most.
@@superbrainz2357 well that would be the twist. That the Navi or Pandora *could* fight back in some way. If the planetary intelligence and could reach out and direct asteroids with its fields of force for example.
I would pay double to see the drinker as a member of the N'avi
The most cynical and alcoholic na'vi 🤣but also a dangerous drunken master.
That's the 3rd film
Since the N'Avi are essentially Native americans, it'll be a story about substance abuse.
@@V4Now LOL XD
The part about family and traditional patriarch was also why the Steve Odenkirk film Nobody was such a breath of fresh air. We start off with a middle-aged man stuck in a rut and sexless marriage (relatability points), and as the movie goes on he becomes more masculine with protecting his family and beating up bad guys, during which time his wife becomes more attracted to him (she removes the bed sheet that divided them in bed). It's a dynamic that's firmly traditional...and it worked. Take something people understand (the rut) and add a twist (guy in rut is actually a badass). Congratulations, you've got something both relatable and exciting.
And with Nobody's runtime, you could watch it twice while someone is watching Avatar 2 once. I'm so tired of bloated, over long movies...
My most rewatched movie.
Bob not steve
@@randywhite3947 my bad; I must have been thinking of Steve Oedekerk
@@jameydunne3920 ditto. Any movie over two hours is an instant turn off. I can't watch anything longer without taking a gaming and/or phone break.
Not a day goes by now that I don't wish to go back to the 90's and early 2000's. Art and media was definitely peaking at that time in hindsight.
I run a small theater and I really need this movie to do well
FU n this shit movie!
God bless you
“James Cameron’s strength was never dialogue”? “Game over, man!”
His dialogue is almost always terrible but at least the dialogue in Aliens/T2 is cheesy and quotable terrible. The dialogue in the first Avatar was utterly abysmal ("Yeah bitch, go run back home to mommy!") but never cheesy enough to be fun (although i think the Colonel had a few amusing lines).
@@thebatman4279 What's "terrible" about the dialog in Aliens, exactly?
@@ifly-fsx No, you're right, it's actually very well written the more i think of it.
I'm just saying whoever comes up with "I'll be back" or "game over, man" or "king of the world!!" isn't *all* bad.
I loved Avatar!! It’s not what we wanted, it’s what we needed!!! It hit all the emotional beats for me. It was very relatable.
I find that hard to believe. It looks like the stupidest film ever made.
@@junglemoose2164Chris was dead-on with his take on the movie. 1) It sends a clean traditional message, which is why lots of “normies” and families will like it. 2) The action is good and 3) The plot/dialogue is the dumbest shit ever. The plot not only makes no sense but contradicts the conclusion of the first film.
I'm glad Chris brought that up about "normies" and families. Hardcore nerds and Twitter folk think everything is made with them in mind (or should be). For better or for worse, James Cameron made a visual spectacle that can be enjoyed by the casual viewer snd families which tbh is fine. Because honestly there hasn't been a big budget movie that does that for awhile.
Yes, this is the most valid statement. Marvel became too out of hand to follow up with the release of TV shows. Same with very complex themed movies, I would rather study economics/science then, why go to the movie if I have to use my brain. I want to go relax there.
@JoeyB you dont have one
@@randomly_random_0 what has that got anything to do with what he said? It's true. People with high IQ's don't get tired using their brains. It's actually the opposite. They get bored when they're not using their brains.
@@randomly_random_0 what has that got anything to do with what he said? It's true. People with high IQ's don't get tired using their brains. It's actually the opposite. They get bored when they're not using their brains.
@@randomly_random_0 what has that got anything to do with what he said? It's true. People with high IQ's don't get tired using their brains. It's actually the opposite. They get bored when they're not using their brains.
There’s literally nothing wrong with a guilty pleasure movie
Yes that's true
That's why we all have a large DVD collection at home
Other than the fact people put out movies audiences feel guilty for enjoying
Alien Resurrection, Chronicles of Riddick...I know they're bad but I like them.
Yes, there is something wrong with a guilty pleasure movie - the guilt!
SKYLINE... I like the Cosmic Horror-Invasion, they realy want our brains, no fucks given, nice b-movie, way better than most of what comes out today 😅
First Cameron publicly chops his balls off (comments about mens testosterone) and miraculously few days later all the pink haired "critics" say the movie is amazing. Yeah..
I loved Avatar 2. Great family roles
Visual perfection, mid-story but with nice family dynamics.
To me this sounds like a good time. A proper popcorn family movie. More like a fairground ride that once over you forget about it and go buy some candy floss or a hotdog.
I think this film will do very well, the visual world and action scenes, w/ safe generic love theme will be enough to send this through the atmosphere
simps and soyboys will love it ` that nasty testosterone...eww eww eww!` or the dum-dums that go to the cinema just for the sake of going to the cinema
The first avatar movie effects back in 2009 were ground breaking
But now in 2022 every Tom, dick and Harry does the same things
Now
It's so flooded now special effects aren't special anymore to fans
A movie now cannot hold its self alone on special effects today
Example rings of power , she hulk , woman King and black panter 2
@@waynehewett4017 The cgi in those films/series you listed are absolute garbage. So it’s not really fair to call them the standard.
@@tobeornottobe5611 that is true my friend
However go back a few years to termator Aliens, edge of tomorrow the first matrix, kill bill ,back to the future etc
You will find in most case the cgi and special effects were far better back then than they are now
It's most like the movies have devolved even tho technology has improved vastly from when the above mentioned movies were made
The shehulk , little mermaid, woman King, rings of power ,black panter 2 are movies and shows which cost 100s millions of dollars to make
Today now
Remember when Water world was the most expensive movie made at the time At 120 million dollars
People thought it was utterly stupid to spend that much
Now in 2022 the average movie to make is 200 to 250 million dollars to make or in avatars 2 case 2 billion dollars
With most movies now needing 800 to 900 million to break even its got way out of control
Black Adam or strange worlds buzz lightyear are just a few examples
The fact is a movie cannot survive on special effects alone as special effects aren't special any more
@@waynehewett4017 the cgi in back to the future does not hold up what are you talking about lmaooooo. take off your rose tinted nostalgia goggles and admit to yourself there’s always been shotty cgi and that it doesn’t look better 20 years ago than now. at best cgi from 15-30 years ago looks almost as good as now
I like that you guys brought in Gore, he's one of my favorite guys to listen to about movies.
he has an interesting take on the film industry
@dsasdfs I don't listen to him often, and he definitely comes off as pretentious, but he does say some true stuff about movies
@@adsasfasfasfsddddddd I follow his channel and watch his livestreams (Film Threat). He is far from pretentious, he just has an insider view of things and we're all used to hearing outsider views. Plus he's older so... keep that in mind lol
@@adsasfasfasfsddddddd I'd recommend you watch some of the videos he did with Film Courage. For more Chris Gore
@@adsasfasfasfsddddddd He definitely can come off as a film snob, but unlike a lot of guys talking about modern cinema he does a really great job focusing on the positives as well as criticizing the negatives. He truly loves film, and the craft of film making, and it is pretty obvious when he gets on a roll. I'd suggest watching some of his videos on Film Courage.
17:59 I'll tell you why "Highlander II" made so much money. Because the first film was a lot of fun. And because, on paper, all of the ingredients were there: same director, the main leads returning, and a budget so big it made news headlines. But most of all because it was 1991, pre-internet, and in those days you didn't find out that a film sucked until you'd bought your ticket and were sat in front of it.
"Highlander II" taught me that a director doing a great job of directing someone else's script is one thing, but that in no way qualifies them to know where the story ought to go, or to have the ability to recognise whether scripts for further entries in the franchise are any good. Isn't that right, Sir Ridley?
There can be only one is the reason why I didn't watch Highlander II until it was on DVD. It was the worst film I have ever seen.
@@brassidium7686 Funnily enough, I didn't quite abandon all hope when I saw the "Planet Zeist" title pop up on-screen.
As you say, "There can be only one" - the story was done. But one of the more batshit possibilities I'd considered for how they could possibly continue the story was if MacLeod was the winner _on Earth_ and the next level was against other immortals who had each "won" on their own planets. Like being the best in your own country and then competing in the olympics, I guess.
Batshit, I know... But when I saw that "Planet Zeist" title on-screen I thought for a moment that I'd guessed correctly and they were really going there with it... lol :)
A LOT of Highlander‘s success is due to the soundtrack from Queen! The movie itself is quite cheesy but the music just makes up for it. It’s Queen after all
@@iriswaldenburger2315 Well, it was a combination of things... The direction was extremely stylish, especially the transitions. The story was mad in a fun way, and (wisely) chose to leave many things mysterious. The casting was great, too, even if it had a total disregard for the supposed nationality of the leads, e.g. a Frenchman playing a Scot, a Scot playing an Egyptian (by way of Spain), an American playing a Russian, etc. And yet somehow the fact they were immortals and had lived in "lots of different places" made the accent mash-up OK. (Not that MacLeod had lived anywhere except Scotland when we first met him)
But, yes, it's the Queen soundtrack that holds it all together and provides the _emotion._ I don't mind admitting that I blubbed in the cinema when the "Who wants to live forever?" scene happened, with his wife getting old and dying. I doubt that would've happened without the Queen song...
Highlander II being an epic craporama of suck is entirely the fault of the execs. The film got hijacked by the investors who insisted on insane shit like the Planet Ziest clusterfuck and there was nothing anyone could do to stop them. The character of the corporate slimeball who the main villain literally picks up by his balls and throws through a boardroom window to his death is the director's fantasy of what he wanted to do to the morons who ruined his movie.
When Cameron said he had a "writers' room" for these new Avatar movies, that should have been a clue that Avatar 2 was going to feel episodic.
How can a bunch of people talking be more entertaining than the movies !
It's because it's unfiltered personal opinions
Listening to other people’s opinions is usually more entertaining
@@chasehedges6775 I respect the Drinker
Even tho hes a alcoholic from Scotland which probably gives him more character than most 😄
He's always honest with his opinions ,never lies or bullshits
Plus he's probably been a critic for some time ,when not drunk and pasted out in some gutter 😁
Knows what he's talking about
So if he saying a movie is bloody good or so crap to watch that jumping up and down on broken glass with bare feet would be less painful
Then I believe his assessment
It’s because these people are able to accurately point out and describe all of the reasons why we are just not enjoying movies like we used to. When a movie was bad back in the day, it was easy to verbalize what was wrong with it. Now we are dazzled by visual effects, beautiful landscapes, incredible sets but it all feels hollow or downright poisonous.
@@Rick-fc3kc SPOT. On.
Family ?! 'heavy Vin Diesel breathing'
Most of the reviews are overwhelmingly positive which is saying something. I think those who don't care about this story or it's characters will have a hard time connecting, but the spectacle should still be quite an experience
@@missioncodez your a moron if you take rotton tomatoes seriously. and out of all the dozens of reviews i read, non mentioned that the story or characters were crap.
Here in India, it opened the second highest behind endgame for the first day. And seriously it was amazing, I do not know how the average mother or the 6 year old child is going to find it bad. Sometimes people do not think from others perspectives, do they. Like I can guarantee the visual treat is good enough for every single child to watch it in the world.
And what is wrong with it. It is like being 25 and saying Cinderella is boring. Shoe missing. Shoe fitting. End of story. No, it was amazing when we were children.
"I know its a terrible film, but I enjoy it." Basically like the first movie. And I have to admit it that Avatar is one of my guilty pleasure movies. Still planning to see the new one.
The first has some of the best visual effects and set work of all time. There were times where you cannot tell where the set ends and the VFX begin. Having said that, the plot is literally Pocahontas with alien accents
It is not a terrible film, I watched it today. I don't know what the definition of a good movie is now after you said that. See, I respect inception and complex movies but are they really worth the movie theatre experience. Like, if I wanted to see a complex story might as well watch it in my laptop in a subscription. right?
@@soumyakantigiri If your only criteria is "it had fancy special effects" then I don't think ANY movie is worth watching in a theater then.
@@ZeroKitsune when did I say only, I have fallen into this trap many times. Sometimes we try to find an anecdote instead of an average. I said complex story and you are making the opposite and quoting I said no story is fine, how does that equate.
I am saying children's story has a place in this world. Or are you saying, now the world has transitioned to just cater to adults.
It hurts that Cameron knows this and that's why he won't budge
"We're whalers on the moon, and we carry a harpoon!"
Same as a grade I got in high school. I got better than I deserved, because it was the best of anything the other students delivered :)
The dialog in Aliens is pitch perfect, with a rhythmic lyrical quality. I think a lot like Lucas when Cameron's focus is divided between too many production responsibilities his writing seems to take a back seat. Wish there was a more mature Aliens version of Avatar.
If Avatar was even remotely similar to Aliens I would adore it.
Alien > Avataar
i think there was a movie called district 9 that was a more mature version of avatar... idk i'm going purely off of my memory atm so i could be wrong
District 9 always reminded me of Alien Nation
For a man dying of thirst in the desert, a muddy puddle looks like a life giving stream.
Top Gun Maverick. We need more movies like that.
Don’t forget The Northman
@@chasehedges6775 Northman was pretty lame imo. No character development, no deeper story, no cool action/melee scenes like I hoped.
@@HansDampf1911 Then you clearly weren’t paying attention
@@tylerjames805 Oh I did. It's just way less climactic and epic than I hoped it would be. The best scene is the ritual to make his son a man.
@@HansDampf1911 , I 'd say the movie kinda lost it's beats when the 3rd act came.
"Its awful, I love it." my type of movie, Im intrigued
Same. I love awfully bad movies as well.
You are so lame, I love you!
Just finished watching it, and i can say the story is actually very good by modern standards. But the visuals are next level. This movie will make billions
I'd say a billion and a quarter
I loved the film. I know that's not going to be a popular opinion by super analytical people, but it was a phenomenal experience.
I loved it. It actually make me appreciate first one and boy o boy did i hate that one
@@-UnchartedSky- I am a super analytical person. There were some questionable plot points but nothing that broke immersion. It was above average by hollywood standards
Cameron proved everyone on this panel wrong LOL.
"Testosterone is a toxin..." hmm how good can this really be? Had my doubts before that quote but even more so now.
And somehow Apparently Cameron made the best film with a patriarch and father son relationship for years?
Maybe he's just playing both sides of the game?🤔
@@V4Now then he`s going to lose half the time.
Imaging thinking that saying half the population is basically a ticking time bomb sounds perfectly sane lol
@@V4Now anyone playing _any_ side of the game is a POS in current year
Enough games
It is all relative. Testosterone is toxic to women in high doses sure, but elevated estrogen causes massive cancer risks in males as well. That doesn't make either of them "poison" though...
James Cameron's Avatar is all about Jake Sully who betrayed the human race just so he could experience a dream that mankind has had ever since he first looked up to the sky.
interspecies Relationships
Well humans betrayed themselves by killing their mother earth
@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq you're getting poisoned by testosterone I see.
Space cat girls
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 i don't care about that humans betrayed themselves by killing mother earth
Blue women 💙
Chris Gore complimenting the Drinker on his Marvel takedown just warmed my heart. It's EXACTLY what I wanted from this
Cameron is an expert at huge grossing films. People are under a lot of stress atm and I can guarantee many people will grab this slice of escapism with both hands. It appeals to the “global south” narratives as well hence why it’ll be a huge hit internationally.
The first film was good big buck entertainment but that was about it. I am not that excited about going to see the second movie to be honest. The idea of repeating the first movie simply has no appeal to me. And it is a story of poor natives being taken advantage of by large corporations that has been done 1 million times before.
@@bighands69 Well then if 4&5 are made in the end, maybe Cameron will write humans actually winning?.. No, seriously, there was a divide between army and administration in the 1st one already, so maybe to some extent it won't be as one dimensional as everyone expects.
@@imotogin The Mcguffin from day 1 was called Unoptainium. I wouldn't hold your breath looking for depth.
It used to be studios churned out hundreds of movies per year. Most were smaller films and the quality ranged from laughably bad to stunningly sublime. Then there were the summer blockbusters. A few were outstandingly good -- _Jaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark_ -- and some were godawful. That was the movies. It was pretty good. Now it's all $200m cgi-fests about superheroes and robot cars. These are as poisonous as the disaster movie fad of the '70s except they generate so much untaxed profits we're stuck with them.
I've seen people throwing the 70s in as a great time for movies from Hollywood. It's surprising how many don't know the movies they love from then weren't made by Hollywood but by Italian filmmakers and that's why they're called Spaghetti Westerns. Hollywood was churning out war movies and disaster films with no hope in them. That's why StarWars blew up. It went against the norm at the time.
How do you feel about the disaster movies of the 90s, such as Volcano and Dante’s Peak, Deep Impact and Armageddon (the 90s seemed to release these in pairs of at least loosely related disaster themes)?
If you want a fantastic thought provoking small scale. . .
"The man from earth"
Great movie, and nothing more then 5 professors sitting in a cabin talking about a hypothetical.
The 1st Avatar was a rip off of Pocahontas, so is this one a rip-off of The Little Mermaid?
How is avatar the war of water is similar to the mermaid despite the fact that take place underwater
So, the third will be, Aladdin? Lion King? Hunchback?
@@RabbitShirak how
@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq I'm not going to do Cameron's work for him. He himself decided to make this franchise as formulaic as possible.
I feel Fern Gully is the closest in terms of similarity. Some of the scenes are eerily similar.
I've honestly never met anyone who loved the first Avatar movie beyond "the experience" of it. I doubt I will see the sequal, I don't want to spend 3 hours in a theatre anymore, but I look forward to seeing it later. I still throw on Avatar as a background movie when I need some good music and something to glance up at once in a while but sure as hell not for the dialog or plot.
Also Everything Everywhere All At Once is the best movie this year, and it was all about family without any woke BS. Probably my favorite movie in years. Dune was interesting as well, and still have the family angle.
Avatar 2 is such a special movie, perhaps one that some people dont deserve.
If you dont like avatar 2 you dont have a soul I'm convinced
Chris Gore assessment of the state we're in is spot on! I hope Avatar 2 to be ok, which will make it brilliant compare to anything else last few years
When Chris began spewing a list of family issues about how this film is relatable, it's 'nice to know' that even on another planet the sentient lifeforms have the same drama as here on Earth - so real escapism is forgone in lieu of the same old same old. Sure - it was funny in the kid movie 'Explorers' to see the dad alien chewing out the kid alien but for Avatar2? Really?
If you set bar low enough any movie looks like a masterpiece.
It’s still meh tho regardless
@@chasehedges6775 you haven't seen it have you? One thing to judge off a teaser but not the final film
@@chasehedges6775 Nearly all feedback has been incredibly positive. Even Chris was very positive outside some complaints regarding dialogue/story beats & length. Chris is even going to see it again. The most negative take I've seen and he's still seeing it again.
@@cinemapigeon4898 are you deaf did yo uwatch this video? he said its WATCHABLE bcuz this year has no good movies
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it Just one guy's opinion
James Cameron : I can’t think of anything new and original so I will make three sequels to Avatar
Just came back from the theater. I really loved Avatar 2. It's not super complex and philosophical. The plot is simple. But it was a great experience. The visuals are just superb. The fantasy and sci-fi stuff is beautiful. And yes, "family" but not the F&F-style, traditional style. Several flaws but they didn't ruin the movie for me.
Edit: Didn't like the first one that much, watched it twice only (when it was released and the same year on DVD). But this one, I'm definitely gonna watch it again many times.
It is super complex and philosophical. Problem is you don't see all those elements the first time you watch it. It's the problem everybody critiquing the movie seems to have. It's designed to get better the more times you see it. A lot of people only see it once, dismiss it and never see it again. Then go telling other people it's ok but not great so they don't go to see it.
Cameron's strength may not be dialog in THIS movie, but the writing on Aliens is as good as it gets. Story, characters, and dialog.
"You heard the man, and you know the drill. Assholes and elbows." Yeah, brilliant writing.
@@jbrisby if you want to get hyped, I can't think of a better sentence. 🤷🏾♂️
@@jbrisby that was 30 years ago
@@jbrisby Theres nothing wrong with that line
James Cameron didn't write the dialogue
At this point, I’ve just found other ways of entertaining myself besides watching TV and movies. Something needs to be huge and the cast needs to be silent leading up to the premiere in order for me to really consider it.
2013’s Man of Steel line where Kevin Costner says “you ARE my son”. I got choked up.
I thought this moving was incredibly good and hit home, emotionally. To an extent I have not felt in years.
Mate you care about movies and TV in a very sincere and humorous way that makes sense even though I am incapable of enjoying (or not) film to the same level myself. I really like how you describe what goes on like that because I can enjoy the content more myself as a result.
No matter how it ended up I wasn't going to watch it. I didn't much care or like the first movie that much. And personally it just feels weird having it come out over a decade later. But I'm excited to see how the whole gang thinks about it, and to hear the Drinkers review
You’re not gonna watch something cos it came out late?
@@firstlast9846 he simply lost interest, is it that weird?
So you're not gonna watch the movie because its release date is "weird"? Weird.
@@firstlast9846 I think it’s normal for someone to lose interest in something after a while with nothing new happening.
@First Last Well I also didn't really care much for the first movie. neat concept but terrible movie in my opinion. So I wasn't at all excited for this movie. And that tied in with the fact that the 1st one came out in 2009? Yea, ill be happy if everybody loves it, but I won't be surprised if it turns out bad. I'm just not invested in it
I’m SOOOO happy that Magog added The Northman as another agenda-less movie that came out this year! Easily my favorite 2022 movie alongside Maverick.
Who the hell is this guy? “I go to the movies all the time.”
So he’s just a CONSUUUUUUUMER.
Takes me right back to 2009. Back when the world made sense.
The mid 2000s were A MUCH BETTER time. People, I think, underestimate how good those year were. They were my 80s and 90s
@@chasehedges6775 I grew up in the early 2000s, got to have the leftovers of the 80s and 90s, as well as all the new stuff from the early 2000s.
Most people really underestimate how awful things always have been and always will be.
Nostalgia is a beautiful thing. The world was even more of a mess cause of the financial crisis in 2008
the reason this film was always going to be successful is that our species is only growing more and more stupid with each passing day and bright glowing colors capture the attention
People liking things you do not makes them stupid, got it lol.
@@thatguywhodoesstuff1432 We have a surprisingly popular movement that thinks the earth is flat.
And your profile pictures proves your point
These people on this panel seem like they genuinely loathe seeing modern movies. If you are dreading seeing Avatar 2 because it is 3 hours why even go? If you aren't enjoying yourself stop watching a movie every single week I don't get it
"This seems like a Soap Opera, just writ large with an enormous budget and crazy special effects." Drinker, you're just describing every James Cameron movie...
No movie that doesn't have Jennifer Lawrence as the main protagonist will ever get my money!
I really wasn't that thrilled by Avatar, so I can't say I was really on the edge of my seat waiting for this. Chris' impressions make me think I won't like it anyway. The stupid of the movie sounds to me like it will drive me crazy. For me, action and visuals aren't enough on their own to make a good movie. Chris laughing about the movie during the screening says enough for me.
I liked the first movie especially the Airbender part.
Avatar just reminded me of a particularly graphically spectacular version of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes".
Watch it for your self, F the "experts". The moment he said Pocahontas in space I knew we're dealing with one of the wannabe critics. That story is one of many elemental tales that actually happened plenty of times since dawn of man kind, and comparing it only with the last thing that had such a story is ridiculous and tells a lot about this guy and his "knowledge".
Re-watch the first one, pretty wonderful film with great music, casting, clear characters and many iconic shots.
@@4Everlast It was a dumbed down Dances with Wolves in space. It was okay, but I wasn't blown away by it like so many seemed to be.
@@AZWings I mean, you got to see a lot of shit in your life not to be thrilled by a 3/4-D Avatar experience. Dances with Wolves is based on a 100 other things with the same premise, so comparing it to the latest thing that did the thing isn't really a criticism, it's BS. People all through history changed sides and did crazy shit for love and against their own kind, race, people even family.
If you didn't like it, you didn't like it no big deal, I just mind people parroting those they think are experts in something when they're far from it.
“It’s not as good as the first one. Whatever you thought of the first one, knock it down a peg or two.” Well, there it is. The first movie is like, a solid 3 on my enjoyment scale. I’ve watched it once when it first released, and never again. I will not be seeing this sequel.
Chris is working really hard on selling it, but The Drinker is correct. The things Chris is praising the movie for are things that should be BASELINE. Maverick kicked politics to the curb and went against the mainstream, but it didn’t forget to be a fantastic movie worth seeing.
what a great small world... I've enjoyed Chris on Film Courage and now seeing his circle spill over into the drinker's venn diagram is glorious. What a nice surprise for me. Happy Christmas come early!
I mean, we all know it’s going to look amazing. But I can’t help think it’s going to be “message” heavy. Especially after Cameron’s recent comments
Wait what did he say? Idk if he said on Twitter or not since I never use it
@@fr0ck360 He said that he used to be a hot head then learned to calm down. Snowflakes got offended over it because he mentioned testosterone lmao
@@fr0ck360 He said having a dick is evil, probably because he's used his wealth to f*ck a lot of things. Same old shit.
@@fr0ck360 I think he said that Testosterone is a poison men must eliminate or smth
@@hawk9015
Wonder if he will give back the money he made off of testosterone from the likes of the Terminator movies and such?...probably not.
Na'vi Chief: "So why did you Sky-People come here?"
Rational Dude: "We needed this stuff, it's called unobtainium." *pulls out grey unobtainium*
Na'vi Chief: "Wait, your people just wanted these worthless grey rocks that we have no use for?" *comes out with arms full of unobtainium* "They are completely worthless to us here! Your people could have had all they wanted if someone had told us"
Everyone both human and Na'vi: *looks at Sully*
Jake Sully: "Sorry about that, guys! I didn't know! I totally dropped the ball on this one!"
Unobtaunium, nice 🤣
Watch the film again you idiot they clearly mentioned unobtanium deposit on their home tree
Which navi don't want to get cut
Down
@Never mind, I'm just a passerby that''s not a joke, that's literally how that mineral is called in the movie
@@mattmark94 because they really thought the Audience needed to be hand holded through a basic story.😑
@@mattmark94 It’s Hollywood shorthand for “We don’t want to explain what it is”. In the movie The Core the ‘core ship’ was made from unobtainium. It’s like all phone numbers in movies beginning with 555.
I like how they are used to be so negative with modern Hollywood movies (with reasons that I agree with overall) that it made me laugh seeing Drinker trying to find any little piece of negativity in what Chris was saying since the latter seemed to enjoy overall hahaha Seemed to me that they were expecting Chris to tear this movie apart and it didn't happen lol
I really liked the Northman. I already have tickets for Avatar 2 with some friends on opening day. I'm looking forward to it myself.
"What the FUCK? Absolutely not. Can't wait to see it again."-The Way of the Cameron
The first Avatar movie isn’t Dune, but Princess of Mars. James Cameron said as much in a few interviews at the time. However, many movies and books followed that story to some degree or another, so it’s not wrong in actuality.
btw John Carter was quite a decent movie, it's a pity it flopped.
@@AndrewNenakhov I love that movie! It's no where near faithful to the books, but I still love it.
I can't wait to watch these movies 😂I loved the first Avatar.
Don’t, for your sake. Avatar was my childhood favorite, my favorite movie for a long time. Seeing it will give you depression
@@DagothUr69 I'm willing to be depressed
He sounds like he likes it but wants to fit in.
He also sounds like he's breaking the embrago
I saw the first movie in 3D on an IMAX screen and was blown away by the eye candy. But that was the only redeeming quality this movie really had. The rest of it was kind of dorky. But the eye candy aspect was so spectacular that I watched it twice.
However, I was always shocked that the material they were looking for was actually called unobtainium. 🤣
"HAhaha, Unobtanium is such a comical name." unbeknownst to the fact that 'unobtanium' is a real scientific name and is used in the proper context, including in Avatar.
@@Merryianna - It’s a real thing but still has a retarded name. Any screenwriter worth anything would know better than to use that name.
@@smileychess So WHY is it retarded? Nobody ever explains that. Tell me.
@@Merryianna "unobtanium" is as much of a scientific name as "ether" - hypothethical substances that do not exist
Don’t worry there will always be more, “stupidnamium” or macguffinite in films as the writing and directing devolve for greater messaging rather than improving the craft.
The first movie, Avatar, was mostly known for Cameron using visual impact over storytelling and dialogues and if Chris Gore is correct Avatar 2 is more of the same.
I guess that after George Lucas, Ridley Scott and others, it's now Camaron's turn to show that creativity CAN run out.
Spielberg is the top of that list. Munich was his best by far, and everything since than has been absolute garbage
Lucas never ran out of creativity.
@@polderrican
I like War of the Worlds, but I've mostly tuned SS out since.
@@Plainview-tu7xn war of the worlds was before Munich I believe. And although entertaining, was not on the level of munich. You can tell rewatching munich that it was Spielberg's attempt at a movie that leaves you thinking much like his supposed good friend Kubrick's movies would leave you.
@@polderrican
They were both released in 2005, but I do owe Munich another way. It has been years.
The Santa Clause, starring Tim Allen, is a great film showing the loving and respectful relationship between a father and child.✌🏽🎅
I agree with scoring bonus points for what should be basic. my kids haven't had many good movie going experiences in years. so if this is actually a positive experience like I used to get, in today's day in age, that is a bonus for me. I want to take my kids to enjoy movies like I used to.
That's a hard pass for me, even the "good parts" sound like I'd rather just stick my junk in a blender than endure it
Or jump up and down on broken glass with bare feet would be less painful
The thought of that gave me a physically unpleasant reaction.
You all have to check out “The Chosen”, it’s showing in theaters as well.
No thanks. If I'm in the mood for some fantasy, I'll just watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy again. Maybe even a Harry Potter movie.
@@wavion2 This post wasn’t for you lol🤣🤣
Having arnold who is known for cyborg dialog probably helped Cameron in the 80s.
I very much enjoyed the movie. The dialogue was NOT "god awful", that's just sensationalism at it's worst. Some of the voice-over by the MC wasn't the best, and it's not a perfect movie, but it's definitely one of the best movies of the year. The people that say this movie is bad are just jumping on the bandwagon of hating on Avatar because it got more popular than it deserved to be.
I'm not exactly a fan of Sam Worthington in the Avatar series, which is why I enjoyed Way of Water more than the first one because it didn't focus on him as much, it spent time developing the family.
"The way of water has no beginning and no end" the dialogue isn't awful?
It’s not broad appeal but let’s not forget “ Everything Everywhere All at Once” came out this year too…
Favorite movie of all time
Long story short: when everything it's just rotten shit in a garbage bin, McDonald's food seems even healthy and gourmet.
Omfg i love it with Drinker and Chris Gore work together.
Same
*1957:* Plan 9 from Outer Space
*2003:* The Room
*2022:* Avatar 2
I totally understand that feeling Chris is talking about after watching Avatar: the feeling of awe!
That’s how I felt after seeing the first Avatar, I’ve left the theater into brutalist architecture of Belarus in winter and was like, “f my life, I wish I’d be on Pandora right now, because it looked and felt spectacular”.
Cameron has created a world which was simply phenomenal. Yes, there was some corny dialogue, yes some things were a bit illogical, but I didn’t care about any of that, because I was in it for the ride.
If this new movie is able to capture that sensation of Awe, I’m all for it! And I hope he can make another billion or two with these movies, because that feeling is like nothing else I’ve experienced ever since.
I'm amazed they'd allow something as enjoyable as movies in Belarus.
read "Call me Joe". The audiobook is available online for free, even. It's where they got the idea for the Avatars, and what you describe is actually central to the story.
his world is "visually" phenomenon.
otherwise, pandora's world building is naive af. made by a director that has a super shallow understanding of
"nature" , "civilaztion" and totally fails to understand the core motivation of conflict between living beings and utterly lacks any sorta wisdom.
it looks visually phenomenal tho. looks neat. thats it
@@btchiaintkidding7837 what the f do u know about nature, you just fully hating on Cameron. Dude based Avatar on his experiences in the forest
I don’t know why they don’t talk more about All Quiet on the Western Front. By far the best film of the year
it was fantastic and agree it's not getting proper recognition
Because it has been done quite a few times already. It fulfills a very specific niche that has been filled past flooding for some people.
I kind of liked the black and white version better but it was well done and worth watching for sure
Cause this gets them views, more hate more views from people who like hearing people rage in their name.
The drinker literally did a Drinker Recommends video for it. stfu
"it's called a punch bitch" is just one of many lines that took me out of the movie until I finally walked out two hours in.
I actually liked that line 😂😂😂
I have to agree with the Drinker’s comments about James Cameron’s dialogue being serviceable, but not great. I think that holds true for this movie as well. The story is equally serviceable, and the whaling lesson is impossible to miss, but the movie is still an amazing spectacle. In this day and age with Marvel, Star Wars, etc. making CGI laden spectacles, it says something that the visuals in this movie stand out as being so amazing. The action sequences were great, too. I know this isn’t going to go down in history as a cinematic masterpiece like “Empire Strikes Back” or “Schindler’s List,” (two very different movies, I know) but having seen the first Avatar, I knew what kind of movie to expect, and I enjoyed it very much.
If Jake Sully is inhabitating an avatar that was created from his brother, then surely those kids are his brother’s, not his?
its neither if you consider the avatar as a different person
Too deep for the movie's writing team man!
And technically they're both dead. Sully died at the end of the first film, just like Kirk and Spock die every time they get transported.
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 "I live. I die. I live again!" -- (copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of the original) James T. Kirk
Sure, but why would that ever be brought up? That has no value to the plot. It's like adoptive fathers can be more of a father than biological fathers.
I haven't been to the cinema in years. Maverick was what got me to go back, and I'm going to go back again when it's rereleased in theaters. The real practical effects over a green screen makes you feel like your in the cockpit. The rush of adrenaline you feel, the visceral reality of the anxiety when in a dog fight. Say what you will about Tom cruise, but he is an amazing actor and is one of the last of the old guard in Hollywood.
I feel like I'm having a Mandela effect in that the world I lived and know was one where James Cameron made really quotable films where the dialogue has been soundbite repeatable for decades now and T1 and T2 the whole screenplays are arguably a two hour highlight reel of nothing but memorable lines one after another with even minor characters given weight and lived in personas. Aliens is precision well honed script writing with perfectly calibrated and paced text, exposition, comic relief and, yes, memorable lines, from start to finish. I would argue Cameron didn't have a memerable screenplay till Avatar, but in real time when you're watching it, its perfectly calibrated in exact moment to moment pacing and the right thing said at exactly the right time to get the rousing audience reaction it needs to every time in it's three hour run time. But, ironically, that's the exception to the Cameron rule and his track record thus far, Avatar being the only movie of his canon of work not to age particularly well like his other entire catalog and this is the sequel to that, but why the historical reinvention of the man's previous decades of memerable dialogue whose screenplays have been taught and books published using up to Titanic of how to write successful, crowd pleasing scripts. All the actors you love in these movies that you quote from Paxton to Weaver to Leo to Auh-nold, they didn't improvise their lines; they are regurgitating word for word what Cameron put down on the page with rarely a line ever rewritten. Y'all are in some group think spiral that doesn't align with film history or the facts. Cameron can definitely write dialogue, story and tent pole entertainment.
Last thing is someone said Cameron has too much control now which is the problem. What. He hit the ground from T1 his first film with total creative control and final cut. He has always been in control. And he always runs his scripts by trusted industry friends in his inner Cameron circle whose opinions he trusts. It's all out there documented people. Cameron knows dialogue, all right. Not only did he write the book on it, but he directed and filmed the movie version of it to.
Peace.
As a bestselling Mil-Sf author, Avatar drove me INSANE for so many reasons. They did a lot of things simply gloriously. The combat suits, the small fighter craft, multi-ducted fan flyers, the starship coming in system with its radiators GLOWING as they worked to dissipate energy after the crossing from Earth, the scene in the starship as all the sleepers are brought back and loaded into drop ships. GLORIOUS.
Then they wrap it all with a laughably ridiculous plot, a ludicrous plot device (unobtanium), and jerking around with the alien physiology to the point I couldn't ignore the glaring mistake (every Pandora species has six limbs, EXCEPT the Navi?!
I don't expect this movie to raise the bar.
Except visually probably,but holy shit unobtanium is ridiculous even in it's name
Pro Lemuris...
You're a dope.
In addition to Top Gun Maverick and the Northman, another two 2022 movies that were stellar were The Batman and Everything Everywhere All At Once. I think the latter is one of the best movies I've ever seen, it's such a tight script and utilizes every second of screen time to the fullest. I honestly couldn't find any flaws in it.
I'd also like to throw in Terrifier 2
I agree except, although the Batman was way better than I thought it would be, it was still somehow very stupid. It hit a lot of the right notes for me so I'm lukewarm on it. Still it was an enjoyable ride. EEAAO was so enjoyable I watched it four times. What a special movie. Northman was just super badass and I have watched that one a few times as well. I wish these wokesters running these studios would figure this out and bring us more things we can actually enjoy. I hate movies so much but you nailed the ones that I actually could enjoy. Also for a TV show I really liked Terminal List. Very well done IMO.
Everything Everywhere All At Once showed how important family is even when your family seems to be falling apart. In the face of adversity family is 'Everything'.
And check out RRR (Indian buddy action film) - watch Chris Gore's reviews on that one if you have doubts.
@@imperium7846 people complained about that movie, I felt like it was obviously meant to be over the top
Interesting you mention the fatherhood and parenthood, father-son thing... and also Cameron stealing tropes from all his other movies.
The first Avatar was basically a trope movie... and it seems he's pinched the family trope from Rise/Dawn/War of The Planet Of The Apes.
The new Apes trilogy was pretty awesome, ngl.
@@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971that it was great story arc compelling characters each movie stands on its own. hard to imagine it was made in today's Hollywood.
Riddle me this, how do you steal from your self? Using elements of things you created is something artist do since art exists MF. Ridiculous people thinking they know wtf they're talking about. Did you see Universe of madness what do you think that was, or do you need a "critic" to point shit out to you?
Well he isn't a white man anymore so he can actually be a strong male patriarch.
James “Testerone is a Poison” Cameron is the new queen of the SoyBois.
I'm viewing this as a 3-hour amusement park ride. I'm ready to put on the 3D glasses and look at something pretty.