A File Manager You've Never Seen Before
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Take a shot every time you hear “Midnight Commander” 😂
NC has been cloned to death. 😃
I counted 28, 13 of which were between 1:35 (first mention) and 3:20
I always loved these types of side-by-side file managers. Even back in my DOS days in the early 90s, before moving to linux, I used Norton Commander, and Dos Navigator. It makes everything so much easier.
I'm going to suggest that you put 'Gnome Commander' somewhere in the title or thumbnail so that others might discover it if they haven't heard of it either
Then it wouldn't be a clickbait, would it?
"I never head of it" - If you were around at a time when people used DOS, you would have heard of it. The DOS guys were obsessed with norton commander. They kept using it when they switched from their console to Windows. Midnight commander was to Norton what KDE is to Windows UI. And Gnome commander was the inevitable necessity, you (at that time) just had to have some graphical version of a "commander".
I never found much use for any of these tools when I use a shell where I can collect the files I want to do something to on a command line with auto completion (that's an old feature) backticks and decent command line editing. I'm apparently in a pre-norton stage of development. That has to become fashionable again, or is it already?
Always love to see your videos covering lesser known programs.
I want a file manager that has a columns view like macOS. I gather Elementary OS has something like that, but I haven't tried it yet. That's a feature that needs to be copied more.
Miller columns, yes. There was an old (gnome 2?) file manager that had them but I haven’t seen any of the available graphical managers implement it
Yeah, the elementary file manager is, unsurprisingly, lacking imho. Dolphin used to have it years ago and then was dropped. There is a bug report to bring it back, and some of the developers are even on board for it - but not the right ones lol.
Looks to be more in the vein of a more modern commander style fm like Total Commander. I usually use doublecmd for that (because it has a qt version) or just run Total Commander through wine. In a way, nothing beats the original. Midnight Commander is more like a clone of the original Norton Commander. Also the guy who said it's clickbait is right, put the name of the application in the title of the video!
What the heck happened to the camera? Why are you more on the left rather than the usual center?
Idk yet. Something's funky.
He has shrunk
Nice. Takes me back to the old Norton Commander on MS-DOS. It was used on OS/2 as well
Thunar also has a dual-panel mode (iirc F3 by default to toggle it). For my personal workflow I never needed a dual panel system … But for people who like it it’s great that there are tool around implementing it!
just like a terminal text editor, mc can be configured, skinned, extended with scripts and has shell integration.
i would recommend mc as the hub of an integrated workflow in your terminal. it makes a good "home screen" from which you can break out to other apps.
I still think Midnight Commander is the best file manager ever. Mouse dragging is obviously completely useless.
And why image previewing is so important in file managers? It's actually the one "feature" that makes directory loading painfully slow, especially if there are many image files there. A much better way to preview files is to just open an image with a lightweight image viewer (such as viewnior or Ristretto) and then preview any other image in the same directory.
Amen
Gnome Commander is listed on the Wikipedia article about file managers and it has its own Wikipedia article.
I'm not obsessed with looks and styles, but it's really bad when a terminal app using DOS style looks more modern and ergonomic than a Gnome app.
hey hey, let's keep it fair now, KDE Partition Manager and KDE System Monitor exist too! Gnome apps aren't the only ones that can be shit!
@@robonator2945 ok the plasma partition manager is dogwater, alright. But whats wrong with the new system monitor?
@@DaviCarneiro-uo5pw name a single thing it can do that Ksysguard can't, heres 5 pages so you can list all the thing Ksysguard can do that it can't.
Then there is the fact that they literally managed to make a system monitor slow, the fact that it's so convoluted it's genuinely hard to even figure out how to configure, (I was actively looking to see if there was a way to change the default startup page and couldn't find it for a good half hour) and the fact that it's losing in comparison to a program that was deprecated years ago that it was supposed to have replaced.
At least when microsoft "updated" their task manager they added some new features rather than remove them. A system dashboard is entirely different to a system monitor/task manager, they made a dashboard and claimed it was a replacement for a task manager.
@@robonator2945 Oh, I see. Interesting
Well I've always used htop, so I haven't actually used either on a daily basis. Weird how I don't remember anyone criticizing the new system monitor back when Plasma 5.21 launched; maybe no one actually bothered to test it either lol
@@robonator2945 wait. Isn't system manager just a rebranded version of ksysguard?
Polo is really good GTK file manger but I don't know if its still being worked on. Another is the file manager that comes with Mate.
Linux user since 1996 here. I wasn't into Gnome apps but XFCE stuff. Thunar had split view back then (maybe 2004).
I was looking for file managers recently on Debian and noticed this one. In Gnome Software it has a rating of 2.5 out of 5 stars. There is also Double Commander and Tux Commander available. I'll probably stick with Thunar for the time being. An image preview would be great particularly as the entire second panel with file information.
Why would this be likely to be a fork of midnight commander? What they have in common is that they operate on files. For that, they use whatever language library provides file access. If they're both written in C, which is likely, they will use glibc. Everything else that makes up MC is heavily tied to NCurses (or whatever wrapper around termcap/terminfo MC uses). There is very little benefit of "forking" MC. Not to mention that MC probably wasn't using Git when GC started. They probably used subversion or something that didn't have a fork, not in the literal git sense and not in the github sense either.
It's fascinating how personal perspective shapes what we see...
IDK, I mean commander is both names, the color schemes are the same-ish, it says on the Wiki that it is inspired by Norton/MC, so I guess those are the things that made many people think that it was a fork
@@TheLinuxCast It's unlikely that it's worthwhile porting a KDE app to Gnome or vice versa. Porting something from a terminal to a UI (something that's not doing a lot of computational stuff that's UI independent) much less so. The vast majority of something like MC is about UI, escape sequences, terminal color codes, stuff that's completely different. No Gobjects, busses, event loops.
Also, the term "fork" didn't really exist at that time. If they used code from MC, they wouldn't have forked it, more likely they would have copied over individual files. If the licenses are compatible that is.
We keep forgetting that a lot of what is now common sense was unheard of just a few years ago. I'm certain that you will find code in MC that copes with monochrome terminals. The green or amber colored things. You said something like "they use the same color scheme" - that's how different perspectives can be ;-)
Does Gnome commander support network shares and drag and drop?
I really liked Norton Commander in the 90's
I love Midnight Commander, and I loved Norton Commander
What do you think of using hyprland for everyday (study, work) ? I'm thinking to reinstall arch with hyprland to be my main OS, but still don't decide it
It was too buggy for me but I know lots of people like it
I use arch with hyprland for study and work (software development), no big problems so far.
I love Double Commander.
it is in debian stable! great video!
is that desktop image made in Blender?
It seems like Gnome-Commander is a below average attempt at what Krusader does well. I gave it a try. It did not play well in Hyprland. One crash followed another crash. I could get to one cloud location, but not both that I use. (It was in the Fedora main repo by the way.) Krusader is the best file manager I have used in my first year with Linux and Nemo is the backup.
I very much doubt that Wayland support was ever added to GTK+-2 and going through the Xwayland bridge between the two probably didn't help.
I've been using mouse instead of cli long time, so cat is very useful for fast information while mouse is super fast as using with click through side panel directory on Windows. We need more speed up navigation through manager like that's already open, not closed like on panel side directory clicks.
Maybe it can be changed through settings, I don't know.
And I'm very fast prof mouse user but we need that idea..
You want another you've never heard of? Try Worker which was inspired (heavily!) by Directory Opus for the Amiga which is the greatest file manager of all time.
I saw the name. The website scared me away
Thank you 👍 Nice file manager addon for Linux systems - Latest is release 5/16/24 - last Thursday 😊
...BTW - GNOME is pronounced 'nowm' as in dome.
No it's not. This Gnome started it's life as an acronym. First word GNU. Now if you pronounce that NU then I guess you'd be right.
I’ve been using Linux for some decades and I’ve not noticed g commander.
I still don't get your absolute reluctance to using Double Commander. I've mentioned it before, you've mentioned it before...sure, it needs a lot of work out of the box (no idea why devs don't at least fix the fonts, for example), but when I moved away from KDE to Xfce/i3, DC was the obvious replacement and I'm damned sure it does everything and more than Krusader.
I don't care for the settings layout. Hard to find things you need.
OK, I get that. But I set my tabs, short cuts (including toggle single left panel > dual panel > right panel) and just copy setting across every new install/distro. Saves time on jumping file managers every time I come across a new one 😉
I'll try it. Thanks.
gnome commander was a nice before i did the whole WM thing
Nice Job!
I know it and even have it installed for almost a year, but frankly don't use it. It is very buggy and the only useful feature is the ability to have 2 different locations opened in each panel and copy folders and files from the one to the other, that is its power.
It does have preview for some files - with - but I just tried it on a zero byte txt file and my entire desktop froze for a minute, then the GNOME Commander crashed and closed.
Also, if you try to navigate from a pane's drop-down list to another disk it is fine, but if you try to switch the active folder on the same disk, it does not work, at least for me.
And - the info space above the panes sometimes gets messy displaying text over text.
As I said, it is very buggy, but is useful to copy a lot of stuff from one disk location to another.
I tried it and immediately uninstalled it when you said there's no image preview
I don't use it, but I know about it. It's whatever, my file management is basic, and any larger tasks I do in console anyway. I'm glad you were able to find this one, let us know if you're using it more often in a later video.
Is this on OpenSuse?
Yes
wait until you finally find out about Double Commander :)
Made a video on it already.
@@TheLinuxCast why use any others ?? there is no level of comparison.
TC for Windows, DC for Linux.
@@TheLinuxCast okay boss
BTW I use Yazi because of you, nice FM
I honestly dont get the idea of these commander file managers.
Do you guys constantly have that many file operations to need 2 folders in view ?
Is thunar and nemo that bad not to offer anything in that direction ?
It seams you are against kde but dolphin has tabs offering something close or it can activate an attached terminal with F4 where you can execute code.
I know. Dual panels don't seem that necessary until you'we got used to that work flow. But once there, going back feels like losing a leg.
F3 gets the side by side folders in dolphin as well.
Even though I've needed two directories open at the same time in the past for different tasks, double-pane managers feels like a solution looking for a problem the other 97% of the time I DON'T need two directories open at the same time. But I'm no coder or dev.
I use to use Norton Commander and all there utilities. Have not heard that name in years... Lol Go figure Matt, its in the AUR... 🤣😁
I have MC on everything and I use it across my local network all the time like on the main server when I want to edit stuff...
Awesome video Matt... The more you know! 🤔
LLAP 🖖
why not try double commander
There used to be a DOS version called Norton Commander back in the 80s and 90s.
Nemo > F3 > Done. 😁 I really enjoyed the video, as always though.
Does it remember that for when it's loaded up the next time?
@@TheLinuxCast I just checked, no, it doesn't.
@@k.b.tidwell sad. That's a feature I use all the time with Krusader
And me on Double Commander. Thunar does that too now, btw.
do you watch destiny by any chance?
i use nautilus
getting it !! looks great !!
okay, okay, it’s not Midnight Commander, and you’ve never heard of it before. no need to hammer that for ten minutes…
I did go over features, but you probably missed those bits.
@@TheLinuxCast Which you didn't get into until halfway through the video. If I was to be kind to your pacing, I'd call it "abstract."
I never understood people who use file managers when they talk about minimalism like luke smith. The terminal is better that any file manager and can do more. Why use lf or ranger when that is more clunky and bloated then your terminal. This is specifically for people who care about bloat and all of that not people like the Linux cast because he doesn’t care that much but people like Luke have no reason to use a file manager and it make me incredibly angry when people like him talk about bloat then use a file manager😭
Depends on your use case. I teach online and when I want to send a file to a student dragging and dropping a file is far quicker and less fiddly that using a terminal based file manager. I use DC, by the way.