Joscha Bach: Nature of Reality, Dreams, and Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast
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0:00 - Introduction
0:33 - Life is hard
2:56 - Consciousness
9:42 - What is life?
19:51 - Free will
33:56 - Simulation
36:06 - Base layer of reality
51:42 - Boston Dynamics
1:00:01 - Engineering consciousness
1:10:30 - Suffering
1:19:24 - Postmodernism
1:23:43 - Psychedelics
1:36:57 - GPT-3
1:45:40 - GPT-4
1:52:05 - OpenAI Codex
1:54:20 - Humans vs AI: Who is more dangerous?
2:11:04 - Hitler
2:16:01 - Autonomous weapon systems
2:23:29 - Mark Zuckerberg
2:29:04 - Love
2:43:18 - Michael Malice and anarchism
3:00:15 - Love
3:04:23 - Advice for young people
3:09:00 - Meaning of life
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0:33 - Life is hard
2:56 - Consciousness
9:42 - What is life?
19:51 - Free will
33:56 - Simulation
36:06 - Base layer of reality
51:42 - Boston Dynamics
1:00:01 - Engineering consciousness
1:10:30 - Suffering
1:19:24 - Postmodernism
1:23:43 - Psychedelics
1:36:57 - GPT-3
1:45:40 - GPT-4
1:52:05 - OpenAI Codex
1:54:20 - Humans vs AI: Who is more dangerous?
2:11:04 - Hitler
2:16:01 - Autonomous weapon systems
2:23:29 - Mark Zuckerberg
2:29:04 - Love
2:43:18 - Michael Malice and anarchism
3:00:15 - Love
3:04:23 - Advice for young people
3:09:00 - Meaning of life
No need :) always listen start to finish.
Thank you lex Great episode.
I think that Joscha is from Eisenach, Turingia. Or Leipzig? he could very well be related to GOD (JS Bach). I would Iove to interview him on my insignificant channel and talk music.
All life is suffering by its very nature. It only hurts when you cannot understand the truth of things,,there is no “you”…the destruction of the ego is our biggest feat here. Once you see things for what they really are-including the “self”, you can begin to understand,, “dependent origination” -and life gets easier and you get lighter and easier. You treat “people” kinder with the understanding that “few are born with little dust in their eyes.”✨✨✨All can come to this understanding, but not all will.
I would love to have a conversation about this with Lex😭✨This dude has a pretty close concept to what I know to be the truth,,but The questions Lex asked him we’re-from what I know -leading him more towards the truth,differing from what this man described. This man has a close concept but from what I know -it’s not quite the truth.
The first episode with Joscha is the best in the history of the podcast so its safe to say I'm excited for this one.
Yeah really hard to top that episode
agreed
I can’t even watch this right now, gotta save this shit haha
i enjoyed the 1st podcast with Joscha Bach so much that i sought out other lectures and conversations with Joscha!
Ya, I remember sitting in my car about to go on an 8 hour drive and started his first Lex episode. When he explained what a nerd is as being someone that uses dialogue as a means for peer review of ideas as opposed to a bid for social power I was hooked. His rhetoric for diagnosing the mind is unprecedented. Definitely one of my favorite thinkers.
This is one of those podcast where you can't really do anything else at the same time as listening, really need to give this one your full attention
I don't agree. Listening To this while doing monotonous, physical demanding work on a construction site right now, and I'm already looking forward to the first part with Joscha. Thanks lex for your amazing work!
I legit have to pause, think, and replay.
@@unten462 I don’t believe you. Why would you be looking at comments? That’s not in line with hard work coupled with listening to complex ideas. You’re at home. Have been all day.
@@donaldtoonsberry832 hahahahahahaha got em
@@donaldtoonsberry832 😆
Everyday after work, I need my 20min Joscha Bach.
"So you're a big sensor creating a story".
Exactly what I told my boss this morning.
your boss after watching Joscha: You are just a cell controlled by the spirit(self organization software agent) of my company.
To me, Joscha is the most profound public intellectual of our era. It is unfortunate that he does not have more public exposure, but I suppose that is simply due to the unbelievably high level at which he perceives and thinks of these ideas. He is simply a different level.
He's incredibly good at dodging some certain questions.
Yes , his process of thought is in the top 1%
He needs a noob translator!!!
@@armondtanz Try top one-billionth.
@@ericcricket4877 I've heard this mentioned many times by other people. I have read Joscha's book and listened to much of his material and never really felt this sentiment. Could you explain more? I'm genuinely curious.
@@agt5jx87 I'll try to remember to do that tomorrow, but i'm going to have to watch that again. It's been two months.
I vote for Lex and Joscha to get together every week and just talk for three hours - they are so amazing. Thank you both for sharing your time and ideas
YESSSS!
I am listening for the 3rd time now and still am amazed, it's only hard to get stuff done
I find it so hard to listen to a host purposely misunderstanding, it makes me cringe/ feel embarrassed for him.. Is he that worried he won't look as smart as his guest
@@claudiaarjangi491467t00
make it so number one ;)
This really seems, without hyperbole, like one of the most important pieces I've content I've ever heard. I feel like he just offered the best synthesis to date of consciousness and life itself. And only half way through it so far. I'm not often this awestruck. One of my first thoughts is that this needs subs in multiple languages added, as non native English speakers are going to have difficulty with Joscha's accent and level of vocabulary ; the whole world deserves to hear this!
100% agreed
Yes!
I second that. It's scary content in a sense, but I've never in my decades of life heard a better explanation of how things are.
I feel the same...
I highly recommend you check out Joscha's series of talks on the 3nC3 conference.
He goes into a lot more detail, and they are far more information-dense than the podcast format.
Joscha: From Computation to Consciousness (31c3)
czcams.com/video/lKQ0yaEJjok/video.html
Joscha: Computational Meta-Psychology
czcams.com/video/WRdJCFEqFTU/video.html
Machine Dreams (33c3)
czcams.com/video/K5nJ5l6dl2s/video.html
35C3 - The Ghost in the Machine
czcams.com/video/e3K5UxWRRuY/video.html
The thing I absolutely love about lex is he is dumb enough to ask the questions in a way that I could follow but also genius enough to know what questions to ask.
what should that even mean
One of the most broadly educated and thoughtful minds out there. Thank you for bring Joscha Bach back on the podcast Lex.
The information density of Josha's speech is breathtaking.
And it’s his second language!
read more
@@gencorp1659 I speak 7 like that, so do my friends, relax lmao, read more
@@RR-et6zp I will when you study grammar.
@@user-od3rl5mc there's nothing wrong with it
Thank you Lex, your first podcast with Joscha was a pivotal moment in my thinking with regards to multiple topics. I am looking forward to this.
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk really pisses off Lex Fridman
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆
Same here. My intellectual journey into questions of consciousness begun from the first episode.
This is the first time I've heard Joscha speak and I completely agree with you. The way he translates concepts into language is opening my mind in a really exciting new way
The way Joscha intellectualized his thought processes is incredibly complex.
Joscha Bach is one of the most interesting people I've ever heard. The manner he describes these complex subjects like the way we perceive reality is amazing. The first time he was on the podcast must have listened to it 3 times in a week
“Everyone is you in a different timeline but sees things differently with good reason”, that will stay with me.
reminds of Kurzgesagt's The Egg story. If you like that quote you will love this video
Hinduism just keeps getting shit right and it’s throwing me for a loop truly lol
@@southernaf6785 it's kind of crazy when you figure out you can do anything you want really
Every One, but not Every Two!
too bad he still worships the metaphysics that meat chunks are aware
Joscha is simply on another level.
He definitely showed that Lex is still relatively young, emotional, and not quite connected to the level of awareness he thinks he is.
Many brilliant people on this podcast, but Joscha is truly a genius.
@@theantiantichrist jup
@@theantiantichrist the thing about geniuses is that most people don't understand them. As in, they could be spouting all sorts of bullshit and make a career out of that, because their vocabulary and use of concepts befuddles most minds. Do people spot your mistakes? Just raise the level of abstraction.
To sum it up...we exist in the story our brains tell us! 😉
I've never seen anyone make Lex close his eyes in confusion and amazement like Joscha. His perspective on things is mind blowing.
Joscha makes lex feel the way lex makes joe rogan feel
His perspective on thighs is CORRECT :v
Jesus, this is repeated stuff. Have you guys been living under rocks. Can you not think for yourselves?
@@Sal3600 Then don't comment, smart guy. Honestly, what did you think your comment was actually going to accomplish?
@@Gunnplay He is the one that simplifies things, for smart people (or with enough
knowledge) its obvious when they hear true, but not everyone in life has a chance to hear it or get those type of talks becouse most people are stupid and ignorant. Maybe he is smarter, idc ithing the reality is that almost all people here are smarter than averege and its preatty sad when u thing about it :v
Mad people beliving in fake Gods and rulling the world, funny life to live :v
“There’s a difference between making your own decisions and predicting your own decisions, and that difference is the first person perspective.”
This guest is my favorite of all Lex's guests Dr. Bach's first appearance is legendary.
So glad Joscha is back on for round two! Absolutely incredible.
I like to pretend I can comprehend what Joscha is saying the entire podcast, I live in a blissful illusion^^
I'm 5 mins in and completely lost.
So many listens to come 👌😒
Nah. I understand a good 40% to 60% of his ideas. Then I use that which I've come to understand, to make inferences about the rest of what he is saying, then build a model of the broader picture he paints. Pretty easy.
@@mermiez1 everything is a model.
@@mermiez1 He made a statement about himself, he said nothing about you.
His name sounds like a sneeze, but he has a quick answer for everything, often surprising, sometimes frustrating, never dull.
He's a realist & Lex is a Romantic & that's one hell of an entertaining pairing.
He is a very different realist.
Please have Joscha back on for #3! He is a wealth of knowledge and I would love to hear more!
Yes! Such a huge fan of Joscha and his thinking, his first appearance on the podcast was phenomenal.
-- I feel like every time Lex stares deeply into the camera, he's trying to telepathically say to the viewers - 'this guy is way too effin smart'
This episode is a big reminder that understanding something does not necessarily make it more enjoyable.
No but it does make it less painful.
it's such a weird thing for me. at first i felt calm and accepting but now i feel anxious and almost had a panic attack...
@@Writeous0ne I feel you. I thought I had a high immunity to existential dread. After this podcast.... not so much.
lol ive read your name and thaught I know that name from somewhere. turns out I watched a specific fingerdrumming video from you like 1000 times (the one where you are in front of a class wearing google glasses). dope fingerdrumming!
Couldn't disagree more.
Joscha: 'there are also people who'll try to protect you', Lex: 'no matter what happens, there's a place, there's people who have what you have, and you'll find happiness and safety there'. Thanks guys. I needed that. 🙏🏽
Without a doubt the trippiest episode I've listened to. Joscha's descriptions are simultaneously abstract to the point of incomprehensible and yet I somehow feel as if I can just maybe manage to wrap my monkey brain around these concepts and know what it is he is talking about. A surreal experience.
The first Joscha Bach appearance was my favorite podcast episode of any kind among thousands I've seen over the years. Now this episode is.
Should I listen to first one first or this one?
@@taylormaines9909 i think listen to the first one will be good, its a treat
@@taylormaines9909 I'd recommend chronological order. In this one, Bach extends some of his ideas and models discussed in the first appearance. Watching it out of order is probably fine, too, though, and will also be valuable.
@@taylormaines9909 what this man speaks of is ultimate Truth. We are in dream created by the story of the brain 🧠
2:29:50 "I think that love is the discovery of shared purpose, it's the recognition of the sacred in the other. And this enables non-transactional interactions."
- Joscha Bach
I really like this.
yeah , I am into mutuality right now
I love it too. Wouldn’t it be nice if Shakespeare were around today to compose a rhyming couplet, which included the expression “non-transactional interaction”?
But what is purpose
Holy @#@! Joscha just gave us years and years of his research all chunked together in his well articulated answers. To a lot of people he probably is talking gibberish, but I have never heard another human being be able to articulate an idea so well. This is actually a sign that the model is actually very very simple. To me simplicity is a sign of truth. Thank you Lex and Joscha.
I discovered Mr. Bach from a somewhat snarky twitter interaction I had with him, but I liked what I saw on his page so I looked him up on here, listened to both of your interviews with him back to back, and now I feel like my life is forever changed for the better...and it all started because some brilliant person decided to take a shot at me on twitter (a totally funny and lighthearted shot, btw). I love the whacky, beautiful ways life unfolds, and I'm eternally grateful to the two of you for producing these conversations and releasing them for free. Thank you both for the juicy, enlightening discussions.
Butterfly effect 🦋🦋
What is your “life” but a simulation of a life…😂
Honestly, just 3 hrs? This should be its own podcast.
joscha def needs his own podcast 🔥
@@ai-ur5uv Yes! Although I think he needs someone as knowledgeable and with enough depth as Lex to keep him grounded and within reach of commoners like me.
Joscha is my favourite guest of yours. These podcasts are mindblowing and I dont use that term lightly. I only with I was smarter to follow the conversation on a deeper level. Never the less, great talk! I hope we get many more with Joscha.
Joscha speaks so quickly and his ideas are so complex, my brain is exploding!😵💫
Love Joscha more and more every time I listen to him. Lex you are very fortunate you get to sit with beautiful minds and feel their energy and hear their musical intellect in embodied shared space.
To anyone enjoying listening to Joscha talk and not afraid of reading: Definitely check out his book "Principles of Synthetic Intelligence", its an absolute gem!
Fantastic. I would love to learn more and I was actually looking for ways to support Josha's work. It is fantastic that he is sharing his thoughts so deliberately and eloquently. Could you please let me and others know the title of the book you are thinking about - or maybe post a link - please. Thank you.
Wow thanks just leave out the rest of us who are afraid of reading. Is that on audible or something?
@@MungeParty lololol
Sometimes the amount of deeply meaning- and information- dense statements Joscha makes is overwhelming.
A wonderful conversation, thank you for sharing this!
I swear every sentence he utters is a song.
Absolute gold! Lex and Joscha together are such a treasure for us. So much wisdom and insight for 3 hours. Cant wait for a 3rd round ❤
This is one of my favorite interviews, because they're both obviously extremely smart and nice, but they clearly misunderstood each other at times where I expected the conversation to get derailed and yet they both continued to remain calm and work through their misunderstandings. It makes me wonder if/when something like GPT-3 would be able to pick up on such subtle tensions/misunderstandings in a conversation like this...
hahaha he’s such a German lol. lex: some question about post modernism
josche: *laughing his ass off*😂the fuck you talking about?!
it was an impressive recovery ❤😂
I only recently subscribed to Lex's channel after watching an incredibly enthralling clip of Annaka Harris sharing her thoughts on the nature of consciousness and while watching the longer interview Lex had a couple of moments at the max where he didn't seem to understand what she was talking about. I didn't think much of it at the time but after watching several of his interviews I couldn't tell if he was misunderstanding clear statements and interrupting / derailing the conversation because he wanted clarification for his viewers, was thrown off base because maybe english isn't his first language or if he really didn't understand clear concepts. Dont get me wrong he's smart in his own way but some of the tangents he goes on literally make zero sense half the time and i can tell the guest is being polite by not pushing him for clarification on what the hell he's taking about
@@playerunknown2230 so you would say you understood everything both of them had to say in the conversation? and if so how do you know for certain that it's the case
Been waiting for this. The first was one of the best podcasts I've ever listened to
"Can I ask you a personal question? It's personal because you're a life form"
Haha I love Lex, such a considerate guy! Gonna use that!!
From a life form to another
I found the introduction breath taking here. "Memories and expectations are fictions that can keep us in the loop but they don't have to." Spot on.
25:58 to 26:10 This is the simplest and most brilliant summery of the free will debate. In the 1000 X he tried to explain it to Lex, I got this one the best
Somewhere along the way, Joscha mentions a phenomenon that language can’t adequately describe (in fact he does it more than once)….
That’s how I feel about the greatness of this conversation. Thank you both.
thus the need to start creating new words . its all about art .
I have to remark, every time I start to listen to Joscha speak I’m first terrified, then absolutely infatuated with the knowledge he is dropping. It blows my mind...and at the same time helps me deal with my own sublime experience as a meat puppet. I love listening to him explain in painful detail using the most precise vernacular - ah...it is like poetry to my ears. Love these podcasts and always listen start to finish about 5 times. Bravo!
If we had to decide an age rating for this video I wonder what would it be? It's scary content even for adults. Particularly the first half. Scarier than fiction because it's irrefutable, by me at least.
Thought this to be a german joke... lol
Surely everyone agrees he is the best guest Lex has had?
Just happened upon Lex. Just watched 20 podcasts this week. Rare and worth my support.
The beauty of Joscha is how crisp, clear & logical his view point on such subjective things are, it would be so difficult to debate him even if you didnt agree with him
I wish he wrote more books, especially for a general public, even though his ideas may sound complex, at the base the logic is quite simple & elegant
If anyone seeing this hasn't seen Lex's first interview with Joscha I highly recommend! It is one of the greatest interviews I have ever seen. If this one is half as good it will be great :) Thanks to both of you!
Hands down one of the best conversations in the 21st century thus far. Thank ya gents!
I have listened to both the first podcast with Joscha and this one at least 5 times and I'm still processing. These conversations are a gold mine of information and wisdom.
It's reassuring to see Lex working hard to take this in, so am I! Joscha seems like the ultimate adult mind, ready to enlighten you but at the same time destroy your naive nursery stories about what the world is. He has a thought-out answer for everything, wow.
My favourite guest, cannot wait!! Thank you both Joscha and Lex, your conversations are so important to those fortunate enough to come across them
Enjoy the dream😉
I’ve heard hundreds of theories explaining the true nature of consciousness, this one just feels right.
It feels so so so right!
I cannot believe I missed this and just found it! His perseverance was my favorite show Lex has ever done. Oh my gosh, going to be a late night! This dude literally blew my mind like 75 times in 3 hours last show
"Good or Bad don't exist in isolation. They only exist with respect to larger systems."
"We are meant to be part of something larger. That is the way in which we outcompeted other hominids."
Joscha Bach
straight outta genesis. with knowledge and aspiration comes sin and virtue. im an atheist, but interesting to hear that convergence from another atheist in an entirely different context.
@@notexactlyrocketscience if people did take religious texts literally, there'd he a lot of good information and lessons in there. I'm also an atheist.
Always seeking complexities.
Mr Bach either has a talent for putting his thoughts into words or he has spent a lot of time thinking about how to most accurately phrase most of his ideas; or maybe it's simply that he's been asked about them so many times that he has a canned response ready by now. Whichever one it is, it's interesting that the precision of his language makes the information density of his sentences very high, which makes it hard to take in everything he's saying in real time. It's like he's speaking too quickly for my brain to process the information, even though he's speaking at a perfectly normal pace.
Maybe none of those two have to be necessarily true. Let's digest this a little: he simply is highly intelligent by a number of metrics that also happen to include verbal intelligence. Therefore, speaking fluently, accurately and densely can come as second nature to him, the same way some people without formal training can snap into high-strain opera singing on the spot and maintain perfect pitch and harmony for minutes and hours.
He may not even need prior extensive speaking training or media training (a hunch that I got since I was able to find only a mere handful of interviews with him online). In his interventions, he seems quite modest and contained, and that can also be the result of a safe strategy on his management of his public persona.
I also recognize he has undeniable high information density packed in his speech delivery, which often times means you can't zone out and miss a single phrase uttered by him without losing the grip of the whole paragraph he's leading you on. I like that - it's exactly at the opposite end to what other speakers are doing 🙃
Another advantage of this style is that this whole interview could very efficiently be transposed into an actual book the same way a stenographer nails down everything said in a court of law with 100% accuracy. The ensuing editing done afterwards would be minimal - any publishing house's dream.
My point is: I have a feeling Joshua's pretty much always been like this. Some things you're simply born with or not, and further training can do little in expanding certain abilities (training in verbal intelligence or sense of humor - quite little; muscle control for piano playing, overcoming stage fright or improving social integration skills - a lot of progress can be made). Sometimes what meets the eye is just what it is. It do be like that doe.
It reminds be of Jordan Peterson. JP talks about how he scrutinizes every word he says in order to convey the right idea he is attempting to convey. I think you are on to something with your comment
@@isaacionescu3559 He's just very educated on what he speaks about and I think what you're recognizing is his "attention span". This man didn't form his brain with short TV shows, movies and shitty school teachers like most of us. He trained and grew his brain with with literally hundreds of books, research and novels from an early age, all on his own I suppose. His control over his attention is something to be admired, its extremely impressive to me. That control gives him so much power when attempting to convey an idea to an individual. You're exactly spot on though with mentioning how missing out on any part of what he expressing will cause you to be lost rather quickly. It seems every word he adds to an idea serves great importance, at the very at the very least you could say every sentence.
I enjoyed reading your comment.
Eloquence
What about a mix of all three
Talking about dreams, i woke up this morning at 6am went to the bathroom and then back to bed and put on my computer with this podcast. after 15 min fallin asleep with the podcast still running. And in some weird way the voices and the topic where woven in to my dreams and it felt total realistic that people in the dreams aproched me with Lex voice and asked question about reality,dreams and consciouness. a good way to start the day =)
I find the exploration of who we are and what we are to be fascinating especially, in asking the questions that all of us can only postulate answers even when, we have some evidence each person seems to have their own way of intuiting the data presented. I find Lex to be the constant variable in these interviews that is the most intriguing. I have a renewed sense of humanity through each discussion that gives me a sense of a peace in this world because of Lex' optimism and view. I appreciate you Lex.
"Sometimes it's just more about being the river".. This man is basically an enlightened buddhist.
also his name "bach" litterally means "river" ;)
Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar. 👍🙏
@@gunterbunt Synchronicity 🤯🤯🤯
I’m gonna have to listen to this podcast 5 times before it marinates. The depth is so satisfying
We exist in the story our brains tell us!
Life is a dream!!
naval ravikant
possibly the most brilliant mind i've ever listened to...thanks again Lex for the amazing discussions.
What a treat! Thank you! Joscha, you have a brilliant mind. Thank you for this illuminating conversation. By far my favorite guest. What a concise thinker. Such clarity and precision in his statements you can't help but agree! Socrates, indeed!
I was just thinking today that you should speak with Joscha again. I can’t wait to listen to this!
I have listened to this a dozen times. Please do another!
I have just listened for an hour or so of the podcast. It is mind blowing.
Two very interesting things to me:
1. During the enlightenment, the philosophers imagined the word as ruled by laws similars to the ones of mechanics. Voltaire famously described God as being a Great Clockmaker (at least it is famous in France, where we are taught this in high school). Today, Joscha imagines the world with concepts derived from quantic theories, programing and probabilistic models. As great as a human mind can be, we can only comprehend the world and the universe with concepts we understand. The greatness of Joscha is that he actually acknowledges his own limits.
2. The way Joscha descibes consciousness is very similar to the way it is described by the mystics. For thousands of years, mystics have experienced the emptiness of the material world and a few of them have experienced reality.
I would really encourage @lex fridman to organise a discussion with a mystic, how do mystics think the world in the age of AI.
That said, I will now browse for Joscha's speeches, maybe a discussion with a mystic has already been recorded.
Feel free to update, if you found something good. I was similarly reminded of the mystics, maybe A Course in Miracles, especially. It would be interesting to nail down the overlap and also the differences.
This is one of the greatest discussions ever. Joscha Bach provided the best explanation I heard about perception, self and will. There are some parts in this talk that I'll surely return to listen again.
This is my 5th time listening to this one. Ive done the first one multiple times. I'm in love with Joscha. I was defining life as a negative entropy well long before I ever heard him. I like him because he thinks like I do but deeper than I ever could lol... and he gets to do it for a living.
How can you dislike this kind of conversation?....
You know it's a lex podcast when their are two sections on love.
your material is always outstanding but the last 5-10 mins of this podcast is legendary and incredibly valuable (in my opinion) for everyone at every age in every situation, thanks for this, Lex and Joshua
Love the Integrity message
My Dad always would say that to my kids ... "Integrity is doing the right thing, even when nobody is watching"
Timeless
This guy has single-handedly figured out the universe
Edit: And I'm not even being sarcastic
Can you have a go at trying to sum up what he's saying in a few lines? I find his accent too strong, he speaks too fast, uses too many words I don't know etc Thx.
@@mozy106 I have to watch it at least 1 more time first
@@codinginflow To me it sounds like he's repeating what ancient mystics have been saying for thousands of years but please do give me your view. Take your time. Thx
@@mozy106 yeah he seems claim that he's a kind of materialist, but he always seems to be saying what Buddhist mystics say about reality just woth a more scientific jargon. Still he's incredibly original in how he phrases it. Tho i disagree with some things he says i still love listening to him
@@SuperAleaiactaest yeah, that famous Bill Hicks line “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather” could be applied to shamans, gurus, kabbalists, gnostics, sufis, artists, psychonauts and now increasingly to various scientists like Bach! All very deep thinkers no doubt but ultimate truth or delusion?!
:--)
Joscha Bach interviews are wonderful. Keep em up Lex!
Such a delight to listen to Joscha Bach. An insightful thinker, first principles and up. A real joy and enlightening.
My jaw was dropping constantly throughout this interview at the bombs of knowledge being exploded by J S Bach. But when he delineated why Miyazaki illuminated his soul via the Heidi-complex, my heart swelled and models of tears fell upon the fabric of my reality. What a beautiful story Lex and Joscha wove.
Which part was that? Could you give timestamp?
@@matinamin3008 2:33 exactly. Enjoy!
When I thought about this, innocence is dealt with well in the Japanese programs I have watched. Ash Ketchum was completely unjaded after years of trying to become a Pokemon master. Princess Peach is a classic victim of circumstance, at least in the early years.
The first 3 hours are great but the last 12 minutes are absolute truth. 🔥 Thank you again for this interview.
The scope of this conversation is so fantastic. Incredible.
Joscha Bach is absolutely amazing. I can't think of more genious and yet lucid man. Bravo!
Thank you Lex! I submitted on your subreddit that a second time for Joscha on your podcast would be awesome.
Thanks for listening to your viewers.
Keep going Lex you're the best podcast ever!
Joscha always blows my mind, and I love his laugh!!
The idea of agency being a control model that is intertwined with its own set point generator is one of those ideas that feels like a given once it's explained but is so sophisticated when you realize Joscha had to develop that idea from the ground up
I was on a Joscha Bach marathon this week after watching Round 1. I believe I concur and endorse with almost of what he said, and thank you Lex for bringing this polymath into my intellectual hemisphere again today.
One of the most intelligent man who ever lived !!!
Joshua Bach is always so enjoyable to watch.
If we are levels of agents, what is the source of the soul? The closest thing I could find would be a journey of the spiritual.
This was the most objective framework I've ever "perceived" for explaining existence, consciousness, the greater universe, etc. I watched this over a two-day span and spent all of my time in between deliberating the parts of the video I had already watched. During my thoughts, I pondered a few questions that end up getting posed at the end, including the meaning of life. I had come to the exact same description of the meaning of life that Joscha outlined before watching that part. I was elated to hear his response align. I would prefer to attribute it to my being smart but I'm much more inclined to attribute that to Joscha's ability to outline his "aesthetic" in such detail that I was able to ride that wave with ease. I'm really reeling from this one.
You must give this episode full attention. Maybe even close your eyes. It's dense and wonderful.
It makes me happy that people can think and talk like this.
Right?
Without descending into insoluble despair 😂
Joscha I think we can all agree that your first podcast was the best conversation of podcast history. This one I am excited for !
Listening to Joscha feels a little like life itself. You're trying to stand up on a wave that you keep wiping out on.
Probably the greatest thinking mind that's alive right now
I am very glad to see him being back. The first one with him was one of the best podcasts I have seen so far.
I have never liked something so quickly in my entire Life…
Thank you Lex & Joscha
, I love you❤️
He's the smartest dude I've heard speaking
How could I had possibly gone 3 weeks without knowing there was a round 2 😮 the first interview has got to be one of the most important and fascinating for me.
His take on and breakdown of the healthcare system is brilliant and refreshing.
Especially coming from someone one would typically consider to be deep into "tech bro" culture. Joscha is on another level though .. I might join his religion if he starts one
I'm still mining gold from the last conversation with Joscha. What a treat.
sigh.....why? cause he is called Joshua? LOL.....damn it you jews....hilarious.
@@dimitriosdesmos4699 wtf lol
The way he describes Love… Beautiful. ❤
My god @ 02:30 Joscha nails exactly modern humans fundamental failure that is at the absolute core of all human suffering on earth almost so fluidly and calmly it may pass through many ears as just words within a larger conversation. It is the whole of our existence and if not our “absolute” we will cease to exist. It deserves every resource, will, and intention to bring to bear. It was struck upon by Lex’s signature more love mantra (which Lex i think lives in your heidi part that lives on from your childhood) i think is a large part of your success in podcasting. Joscha is like a philosophical machine gun that seems to have no internal conflicts and no ego. Its like he has a teleprompter being fed from the universe itself. When he was talking about his kids i was blown away by his almost father son and wholly ghost point of view. There are so many people i would like to hear in conversation with joscha as it seems his understanding and awareness seems boundless and rooted in first principals independent of time and place. All i can say is dam.
My favourite guest of all time returns, great to see someone who can probe his mind engaging in conversation with him.
I've been waiting for this day. Favorite Lex guest.
Please make round 3
Props to Lex! This episode is a clear display of his skills as an interviewer!
The world needs more Joscha Bach!