Is The Atmosphere At Toronto Home Games Affecting The Maple Leafs Performance? | SDP
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the lack of atmosphere at Toronto Maple Leafs games. Joe Bowen tweeted that the fans need to be better but is that fair?
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The most passionate Leafs fans are outside or watching at home. Prices mean that playoff games are for the rich, not the fans
Imagine being poor. Just get a job bub. Stop being lazy and complaining.
Exactly what my friends & i were saying, & we live in the UK & grew up supporting football teams. The lack of funny original songs in hockey arenas is so noticeable & that flannel wafting, WTF is that all about? It might have impressed at the 1st game but all play-off sides copying is so sad. When the Leafs fall behind the place is libraryesque its so quiet, i would suggest thats when it should be deafening. Lets go 32 teams, lets go!! Anyhow you pay your $$$$s, you do what you want!!
I’m a huge fan and I went so your logic doesn’t make sense
LET THE MUTANTS IN! RELEASE THE MUTANTS FROM THEIR CAGE/ENCLOSURE OUTSIDE THE ARENA!!! Worse than the millionaires paying $1500 per lower bowl ticket are the ones who are COMPED tickets!! I knew of a CEO who got their brother in law and their friend a pair of 5th row platinums and neither had WATCHED a single game this year
@@CodCats That's disheartening, surely these fat-cats have employees who'd love to see a game live. This would cost the boss no extra $$$s & be great for work vibes!!
"MLSE set the atmosphere and the Leafs set the tone."😮💨
Check out how many attendees in the front rows are constantly on their phones not even watching the games
Madness!
They are phoning their bookies and put more wagers on Boston.
Or still in the bar underneath!
Lll
Imagine a statement like "You're winning isn't good enough for me" lmao. Millions of soccer fans world wide will never watch their teams even sniff a league title and they yell a thousand times louder than even the biggest leaf fans. The side of the media that blames the team for fan involvement and engagement is the problem not the other way around.
I agree completely, leafs fans should be cheering no matter what, even if they’re down 3-0 coming out into the 2nd period. They need it then more than ever I think too
@@CodCats NA fans sucks compared to european fans.
@@85blutchLmfao you obviously never been to a habs game😂
@@TheChronicFiend Habs fans are great, but even the superbowl doesn't compare to a football game in europe.
@@TheChronicFiend You tube funniest English football chants,- just for laughs!
as a athlete, and im sure many can agree......in my opinion, momentum is real...... fans and deafening sounds can rattle human athletes..... the louder it is the more chances and mistakes can happen (for both teams) applying more and more pressure as the place gets louder and louder and louder..... look at football offsides.... look at nba games.... look at soccer matches in Europe...
energy of the arena will effect the game play. decisions change and the ice actually tilts.
fans matter and can effect the play whether we believe it or not.
agree ' mistakes can happen (for both teams)' Cheering is great but it doesn't have to be deafening
@@carndt2911 I absolutely get the limiting, tho the louder the more likely pressure will mount
Then you don't belong in the big leagues. This is the big league. Either show up or be traded
@@ThexSleepingDragon great take. I forgot to realize that professionals are not allowed to make mistakes under pressure
It’s the “Library” for a reason.
Reals fans are outside, at home, or very least nosebleeds/scattered here n there
Steve told his story and accidentally proved the tweet right.
They have PTSD. They are already thinking of how to deal with another disappointment. Give them a break.
Ticket price structure supports this corporate and jaded environment. Making deals and coming to sports event - not a hockey game.
I've said this for a while. I've seen that arena clear out early during regular season wins. The real fans can't afford to go in high enough numbers.
So that's why they can't get through the first round? Dumb excuses.
@@dylan15243 im not a leafs fan - its not an excuse. I just think the fans and team get what they deserve and vice versa
@kylejoly577 fans paying crazy money deserve a team that tries.
Players that get payed an insane salary also owe those fans more. Especially when those fans paying insane prices is why they get over 10m a season.
I see a mismanaged team not a lacking fan base.
This was the best content you guys have created - love the brutal honesty !
The number of seats that are bought out for companies and corporations is ridiculous. The amount of true fans that simply can't afford any team game at home is depressing. Idk how to fix this problem. But fans need to go to arenas, not CEO'S or big corps.
Adam Wylde's got it right. The Overdrive panel said the same thing. The TEAM is responsible for crowd engagement. The fans have every reason to be pessimistic and jaded.
Then dont go and let some of us who are outside cheering harder than anyone else in. Loser mentality from this team and some fans apperently
The core is responsible, because they are the big names this business uses to justify its ticket prices, which is why real fans can’t afford to go!
Guys,57 years,all the money paid to what 6 players,the Toronto fans have every right to boo,not boo,not clap,clap,scream ,failure for so long,the fans pay a lot of money,to much money very soon,all your gonna have is corporate bought tickets,your common,work their ass off fan,is dwindling and soon will be gone!You can be your loonies on it!At the Blackhawks game in Chicago,on 22 December 2023,against Montreal,the prices I witnessed,is downright,disgusting,all that can attend and pay are the wealthy!They can all go to hell!Iam 75,and there is no way any run of the mill person,can spend that!Take out a loan for a ticket,parking,a beer,a hot dog,Shame on the owners ,all of them!
I see more passion and energy outside of the arena compared to whoever is inside. It's quite...strange.
I also work harder for nothing than these players do for 10 million. Why would I cheer for them when they don't deserve it?
As a Habs fan, the fact the their building is still full every game is astounding considering the drought they have. Love em or hate em, their fans are dedicated af and you can't take that away from em. Telling them to be "proactive" is a stupid take. If the team gives the fans something to cheer for, trust me, they will give it their all. I hate the Leafs but it's hard not to respect them.
“I can’t enjoy being up 1-0.” Jesus, I used to say that as a kid about this team… I’m in my goddamn 40’s
*Bruins Fan* -> listen Maple Leafs winning the Cup would be fantastic for hockey world wide, thus, I wanna see it. But I clearly have my reservations, I watch the Bruins win in 2011 [I can die happy] my brother and I attended Game 3 in BOS vs VAN Bruins won 8 - 1. It was at that point I knew the Bruins would be Cup Champions, the Maple Leafs need a Galvanizing win to show/prove to their fans they're in this for the haul - and willing to sacrifice, I haven't seen this in convincing fashion, there's flashes of brilliance but it is not consistent enough.
Can't blame the fans for the Leafs failures. No more excuses, the players have to get it done.
I find this interesting because I've never thought about home game attendance. My dad brought me to my first and only game in 2005 and I became a fan in 2007. Last year I saw a lot of hype at Maple Leafs square and just assumed it was the same inside Scotiabank Arena.
I never plan to go to another game because I'm not a big fan of huge crowds but I'm super passionate about the Leafs like anyone else. If its true that a good chunk of people inside the arena during games are there for business reasons, I do find that concerning not only for the atmosphere but for the morale of the team.
As a European , im kind of laughing at this conversation 😅
Are soccer ticket prices crazy or something?
I'm pretty sure they're cheaper than the mls
no the atmospheres are crazy. win lose draw. they are real FANS, not spectators
Bro my schalke season ticket costs less than one leaf game. That’s why there’s an atmosphere issue.
As a Canadian we don’t even think about you.
It's not just in the building, the fear and dread permeates the entire city. I was born and raised in Vancouver, have lived in Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Montreal but now live in Toronto and am dismayed and confused by the lack of support around town. Hardly anyone (maybe 1 in 30) is wearing merch. ALL of the other cities I've lived in are far more publically supportive of their local heroes; and it actually makes a difference in the locker room. Players go shopping and see how much the community supports or doesn't support them. Leaf fans should be ashamed of themselves
This is interesting to hear a different perspective. I'm a Bruins fan and while watching the game on tv my thought was that there seemed to be a lot of noise and energy and passion in that arena from the Leaf's fans. We were commenting on how loud they were 😂. As for the corporate takeover of the arena, it really does suck that you have people who aren't passionate about the sport filling your seats. I know this happens at TD Garden too, but I don't think it's to the same degree. If someone were to wear a suit to a Bruins game I think they'd get stares.
But ticket prices for the Bruins have gotten a bit out of control as well in recent years. I was surprised at how few Leaf's fans seemed to be at TD Garden for these playoff games. I know it's not because they didn't want to go, but probably because it's become completely unaffordable. I remember seeing many of them in recent years so it was a bit shocking to not see that many of them this year.
1st time commenting. Been watching y'all for a minute and this session was 🔥
Thanks for saying what needs to be said. ❤
The prime seats in Florida are expensive and come with an " all you can eat and drink " option. It drives me FRACKING nuts because a great many of those people rarely make it to their seats. They are too busy grazing all game long to reach a 20k calorie intake in 2 hours and are staring at their phones the entire time. It pisses me off to no end.
The argument that Toronto isn’t loud because of the suits doesn’t hold water. Look at the rangers most of the seats at MSG is corporate tickets and nobody talks about lack of enthusiasm about rangers fans and I’m a devils Fan saying that
Thank you for this conversation. For years I’ve said it’s quiet because (the suits) but also because we’re all too anxious and nervous to celebrate. We know this team and it’s only when things are going really well does the building sound loud. How do they expect us to be loud when the whole time we’re thinking “don’t mess this up!”
Every time I got really loud and boisterous in the lower bowl (ticket was gifted,) shouting at the boys either positively or negatively, I was told "shhh," by my buddy and got looks. It comes down to the fact that the upper class subculture has been effecting this quiet attitude even beyond their own distractions on their phones or their clients. I can't speak to playoff games, but if that was the reaction I got during the reg season, I can't imagine it'd be much different. I swear I would've been escorted out if I kept CHEERING for my own team. It's sad, but we're all just treading the same ground. It's the same stories every year. It's monotonous. Nothing will change until management decides they want to build up the D corps first.
I agree with much of it as it can get frustrating over the years and has been, but I also feel like everyone's got a part in the path to victory. Otherwise everyone is just pointing fingers around and nobody gets anywhere. Of course the players are out there to win and such, but I think it's important that as a fan if you're demanding that they don't take a shift off, then neither do you. Showing up is great and all, but it's not enough. It's fun and such, but the truth is that there are times where the fans are nervous and it shows. The vibe changes in that place considerably. What Bowen said is right. Go there and don't take a shift off. Be the fifth line super grinders. Can't score, so provide the energy. It's ok to be frustrated, but that should be the point every single time in being a supportive entity. Some of the greatest fan bases perform with a ruckus throughout the game. It's a party. Can put it on MLSE and folks if you like....they're part of it, but you can't be that dependent on them and make excuses as to why you choose not to support the team first and foremost. Sometimes the issue is folks think they're the first line on a team, but have to realize that yes, you can be part of the team, but your role isn't top of the hierarchal chain. Grind it out. Reactionary is ok, but can't be purely that. Goes both ways. Fans for Leafs are far more engaged on the road than at home by far. I think the performance of the guys on the ice could potentially grow if they had that kinda vibe at home right from puck drop to breakfast the next morning.
100% agree, if you are a consistent team or a scrappy underdog with nothing to lose the cheers will be constant (assuming no blowout) but when you are a team that has all the potential in the world who just never seems to realize it and blow leads constantly the fans of course are going to be a bit more subdued, especially when the lead you did have the fans didnt even get a chance to celebrate before its blown.
I understand that almost nothing is worse than an apathetic arena but you gotta give them something to cheer for before that becomes the default standard
The difference between the Bruins fans and Leaf fans is amazing. The Boston fans are insane. The Leaf fans are so mellow. It is as if they all took a giant toke before entering the arena.
Off topic but Steve’s sweater is dooooope
Here's the thing.. They're right. This comes from a sharks fan married to a leafs fan. Look where we are. And we've been bad for a while. And it's hard because who's here still for players? Vlasic? Blah..Couture? He was injured all season.
We lost Pavelski..we gained Karlson (don't even get me started on him)..we lost Thornton, Marleau, Burns, Meier, the coach..yes Quinn but moreso Deboer, Jones, Kane..I'll stop there. But we are dead last and I still have hope that we'll be back. The leafs are top of the league with top notch players..and there is no hope. None.
It’s funny you mention the group of 8 friends sitting together. As a canes fan we’re at the point in Raleigh where accommodating a group that size is a tough ask. For my birthday I called the canes and asked what they could do for a group of 8 and they basically said “lol nothing.”
8 is hyperbole, but the point is taken. Leafs fans are approaching Cub territory here though, and the crowd is needed more than ever. Nothing will change though. Who the hell is going to chase these rich people out of their seats? Good luck lmao. The only thing we could do is a PSA to rich people in the GTA and that' would be amazing.
When Maple leaf square was free we would train down..... not anymore... 😢
Adam, you nailed it. Ripped the thoughts right outta my head.
"I have five coaches."
"Five coaches?"
"Five. So every time I make a mistake, I get five people coming to yell at me about it. So, that's my only motivation--that and the fear of getting traded to Ottawa. But you know what? That'll only make someone work just hard enough to make the first round."
--Barn Space, starring Timothee Chalamet as Mitch Marner and Michael B Jordan as Brendan Shanahan.
I'm born, raised, and still living in the NYC market. The Yankees and Mets are the most popular by a mile. On sports radio in January, they're still talking Yankees/Mets. The Giants and Jets also have huge fanbases. The Rangers are 5th on that list, tied with the Knicks, but 5th on a list in NY is just different than anywhere else, though, because when you look at the NY market, you not just have the 5 boroughs of 8.2 million people, but you also have Long Island which is 4 million more, then the swaths of Jersey close to Manhattan which you could probably tack on another 3.5 million conservatively. Show me another market for any other team that has 15-16 million people to draw from and I'll show you a very well supported pro team.
Forget about the fact that life is generally uncomfortable in a lot of ways here because of the aforementioned, and I'll show you a fan base that's collectively out of its mind.
P.S. I forgot about Westchester. That's another million people. You get the point. You can't compare this place with anything else, I don't think. Even in the state of CA, things are much more segmented re: market share.
lol the dart guy 😂😂. Can’t believe that man had his on radio show temporarily
In Montreal, the lower seats are mainly corporate as well. They are quieter than the upper bowl. The arena is still rocking. Overall, the crowd to ANY event in Toronto is always boring. I've been to concerts there, games, it's a boring BORING crowd anywhere you go.
It’s chicken and egg. Fans help propel the team and the team makes the fan louder. They both need to be better
Let’s be real. The second things turn sour in Toronto, the fans get extremely surly. Not only that, at least half the crowd arent FANATICS. Fan is short for fanatic. The FANS are in a bar, outside on the street or at home watching. You get what you set the prices at!
Fans in the crowd in Winnipeg, Edmonton and even Vancouver, they are truly invested in the team winning. ALL THE TICKET BUYERS!
So from what im hearing the new MLSE leader (Keith Pelley) is saying he wants to get Leafs fans and not corporate shills in the building more and is apparently talking about switching the corporate seats to upper bowl. Basically what he wants to do is make a rule that says corps can only access upper bowl seats for things such as client meetings or board meetings etc and that fans are going to be allowed into the lower bowl. Not sure if this means a price change but if this is true I feel like there has to be a price change so that ur average Leafs fan can go. One of the reasons MLS fan watch became a thing is because it was so expensive to watch the game from inside the arena and when it was revealed that the game was going to be on a screen outside the building a group of people showed up and started having watch parties.
Blaming fans is insane, would the players forget how to play hockey if no one was in the stands?....Ohhh that happened already and the team also crumbled?! You don't say....
Leaf-tards will grasp at any straw, no matter how asinine, to explain away the futility of the Laffs.
the crowd was wild when we were hitting them and pressuring them, so weird they couldn't figure out how to keep doing that thing....
As a previous MLSE employee season ticket holders all just alumni and corporate they don't understand the game of hockey..
As a guy who loves Edwards, screw partiality in broadcasts. The home team should get the commentators they want
I feel the same with the Avs commentators. Mosh and Ryker. People complain about them being biased. Duuuuuuuuh they are Avs commentators
I keep hearing Calgary has one of quietest barns in the league but every time I go to a game the building is shaking from the noise (probably cause its ancient) but everyone is wearing a jersey, they don’t call it the C of red for no reason. The Leafs need that
I was watching the Edmonton and Kings game the other day and it seemed like a regular season game...the intesity on the ice and in the crowd was lacking...even in OT. 1 minute left tied at 4, everyone is sitting down....
We’re looking down on Wayne’s basement
only that’s not Wayne’s basement.
Isn’t that weird?
- Garth, that’s a haiku.
😅🎸🥁🤘🏽
It happened to the Flyers in the Fletcher sh*tshow, Rangers had more fans at the Wells Fargo than Flyers fans which. Ever happened prior to that. Finally we now have competent people running the team… In Danny, Keith and Torts we trust
Wow that was quite a rant Adam 😂
The corporate expensive games takes out most of the real hockey fans, they want to see fights or goals, a great back check or disrupting the neutral zone they don't appreciate, and that's the word, appreciate, they wanna see blood, not good fundamental hockey.
I was bored watching the Laffs get blown out so I started looking up ticket prices.
Bruins Playoff tickets are significantly cheaper than Leafs tickets and it's not even close. At TD Garden it was anywhere from $400-650/seat for lower-level seats.
MLSE prices ranged anywhere from $1100 to $3600/seat for lower-level seats.
That's why there are significantly more people wearing jerseys at Boston games because FANS can afford to see them play
Winnipeg jets Whiteout goes into the 120+ decibels.
And that is with the least amount of people in a playoffs.
Smallest Arena...
Also, jets have disappointed tremendously as well... so good on the White out to keep it up.
Steve, I haven't watched this yet, but instead of blaming the spectators who have the least amount of say in what happens on that ice, could we at least acknowledge that the product on the ice, especially in these Canadian NHL playoff games, is far from pure and likely corrupt from within. If that isn't seriously addressed on any level, then just expect to wait until Bettman is dead before any Canadian franchise wins the Cup again and just leave it at that.
Yep. It's the fans letting the team down. That's the problem 😅
when the leafs make a big hit..... the crowd goes nuts.... when the leafs have a close chance to score,.... the crowd goes nuts. When the leafs make a great play and get foiled by an oppsing goalers great save.... the crowd goes nuts. But when the Leafs give the puck away for 70% of the game, cycle in the corners... only to lose the puck fight. they rarely start the game on time..
But one of the biggest things about the Leafs is that they NEVER get excited by each others play. Austin Matthews scored a goal in game two. A great goal and he went crazy, and he should have. That outburst spoke volumes about his intensity. This team is a bunch of pylons that have no heart, desire, accountability or pride for much of the game.
I agree with Adam. win a game that requires a little adversity. Overcome some hardship instead of being the worlds biggsest typical losers
The Leaf organization, players, etc, have NO SOUL.
A.I. on ice.
I don’t think it’s necessarily affecting it but I do feel some envy for other teams whose fanbases get towels they twirl around and go nuts between every whistle, meanwhile ours only reacts to a big play or hit.
As someone who’s a NYR fan, the rangers games can be brutally quiet. No it may not be on the level of TML but just speaking hockey it’s bad. It is exciting to go and it’s fun but….last game I went to was a NJD game too and unless there was a hit or a goal it was dead silent. You can hear the puck slap off sticks it’s brutal
Jesse is off his rocker if he thinks the Rangers are any higher than 5th in NYC. There is no chance they are more popular than the Jets. The fact is there are only a handful of places in the US where hockey is anything more than a niche sport. The three M's come to mind -- Minnesota, Michigan, and Massachusetts. *Upstate* New York gets a mention too. Just look at USA hockey's participation numbers. Tells you everything you need to know.
The fact that the stands are empty gives me hope for this team...and whether or not management and ownership start investing in winning. Now we know why other Leaf road games have so many Leaf fans...they can afford Buffalo's prices instead, and get a nice road trip as well.
I have gone to many games with my best friend and we never were able to get 2 seats together.
It is absolutely mind boggling how much those seats are for a team that DOESN’T WIN.
I agree with you guys. All barns get quiet when you trail by alot. The Leafs don't care because all the seats are paid for and always will. The product is just too sad. Win in the playoffs...
Is there alot of pressure on the players? Of course. But if you spend half your salary cap for 5 players, 18 players share 42 million and you get what you pay for. It can't work. From a habs fan that has been looking at the Leafs situation for decades.
I'm a rangers fan from NYC and adam is just so wrong. The tickets for the Rangers are more expensive than Toronto. The lower bowl is almost all suits. Just because NYC has other teams doesn't mean anything. That said, both the Rangers and Leafs have a similar problem (even though the leafs haven't gotten there yet) - as the team gets further into the playoffs the tickets become more and more expensive and price the actual fans completely out of oblivion. Just to get in the building during the conference finals starts at like $800 per
Adam, I agree 100%! People are saying that our crowd response is not good enough or loud enough? Really?
Maybe it's because our team disappoints at every turn. But don't worry, your star players still demand ( and get) the top salaries in the league.
I think some self-reflection needs to happen here on both sides:
Win first, then get paid...
Let me repeat:
Win first, then get paid....
Mitch, you've scored a bunch of goals during the regular season, but you've done sweet f**k all during the playoffs. Why do you deserve your paycheck?
Willie, you got the big deal and then you went on vacation. Why do you deserve all that money?
Auston, you have been a rockstar during the regular season, but your past playoff seasons have not been great. You look to be finding your groove now, so hopefully it continues.
I know John Tavares has had some rough spots this season, but he seems to be delivering now, so I don't have too many issues with him. Also, I think he has only another couple of years on his contract. Not a bad third line center, wouldn't you say?
And your segment on enjoying the game, or at least trying to enjoy the game, mirrors the feelings of at least half of this city in my estimation.
I can't speak for anybody else, but I know that when we're going into the last 5 or 10 minutes of the 3rd period up by a couple of goals, my sphincter is still a little puckered in anticipation of the late penalty, inevitable power play goal by the bruins, and then the aftermath...
Who's with me?
Sounds like fair weather cheering when you say it’s scar tissue. You win we will cheer you lose we will cricket.
nice take at 3:15 adam
Now, more than ever, we need Dart Guy
Every other home rink is the only competition for leafs fans. Your team isn’t winning at home because you cheer for not loosing. Cheer for those on the ice in the moment.
Maybe they can win a series? Maybe it’s the players and not the fans fault. Are we serious right now?
In North America, the players are supposed to get the fans loud. In Europe, the fans get the players going. I’ve been to soccer matches in Milan and Barcelona and I lost all respect for fans over here.
As a lifelong Habs fan, I live for the Leafs to lose. But they were bang on with this, get the real jerseys wearing fanatical fans who are in Maple Leafs square into those platinum seats to raise the roof. Even as my Habs are mired in rebuild, the place is loud every game every shift.
they’ve won one home game in the playoffs in two years! Adam you 💯 right. WIN
What is a good team ? Some will argue that the 16 teams that made the playofff are good team. Which means that the 16 teams that did not made the playoff are bad.
As a Ranger fan and one time season ticket holder, I take issue with remarks that NYR games are throw ins. Sure, The Knicks are bigger, but that doesn’t mean plenty of passionate fans don’t follow, and fill that arena 41 plus times a season. Very lazy comment to dismiss what, and why NYR bring so much to HRR, and the sport itself.
Blaming the fans is cheap, unlike the ticket prices , when the average fan makes 18$- 20$ an hr comparing to someone's 11 mil to 14 mil a year , you have zero right to blame anyone but themselves who make the big $
Adam is spot on
But isn't this like the chicken and an egg scenario? Like there must be a reason they win more playoff games out of that building. Fans all around the world cheer on their teams whether they got hurt before or not. Honestly this just feels like Adam gets offended by the general statement and takes it as a personal attack to himself and others. On the other hand, the availability of the tickets is definitely an issue for hard core fans, I must agree with that!
Should the Leafs trade Marner for a stud franchise defenseman, like an Owen Power, or someone a little older like Rasmus Dahlin, so they can win in the next 4 years? Would the leafs sacrifice the youth and trade Marner for Roman Josi? A win short term, but maybe a long term loss? But if it delivered a cup, I doubt fans would care!
I get not calling playoff games because Rogers wants a neutral voice, but why couldn't they keep him for regional games like he was doing for Rogers before 2014?
I have a legit question though from what I see MSG at rangers games always has a fantastic atmosphere and I would assume that tickets there are bought by wealthier people since it’s in the heart of NYC. Is it maybe just because New Yorkers are just more rowdy like that in general. Or is it just that hockey in Toronto is bigger than in New York.
As someone from the Tri-state area Rangers are CLEARLY 5th...maybe get up to 4th for a bit if mets are super bad and Rangers are in the finals but thats only late may? that's really it
The ticket prices are outrageous I can get a better seat in Edmonton to watch McDavid play than I can in Toronto to watch Mathews play.
Can't blame the fans or the referees for their own misery. If you strongly believe that you can beat anyone, the arena is just the place to prove your worth.
@6:30 YES !! TO EXPENSIVE !! I bought Platinum seats for 2015 Home opener vs Habs. Great game. Well worth it to see Les Glorieux come back to win. Still paying for them in 2024 tho..🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️😂😂🤯🤯
The problem with Toronto is Toronto. Attend any entertainment event, a concert, sporting event, comedy show and you'll notice that most people are subdued and reserved.
A winning team won’t change the atmosphere because the suites aren’t there for the product! So what the product does is irrelevant. They are there for business, period!
Bowen is right. The building is dead. Almost every game for sporadic periods it will light up a bit. Think of the Bruins. Their fans have every reason to be nervous. Their team has had 2 of the biggest choke jobs in recent memory, and yet they come out and act like it's theirs to lose. Toronto is quiet and it's not even close.
You guys complained so much about the lack of atmosphere during the bubble and played up how important fans were, you guys also gave some crowds a shout out during the opening weekend for how loud they were.
This is just some butt hurt leaf fans who can't handle one of their own speaking facts. Bowen has been to more games than you guys ever will, he knows how a building should sound.
Has Adam Wylde ever been right about anything?
Is it against the rules for the Leafs to pump crowd noise into the stadium like the NFL did during their COVID year?
Montreal is night and day vs Toronto when it comes to home game atmosphere, yet the pressure to win in MTL is still there. Are our fans that much better? I dont think so, but you would not see that in Montreal.
Montreal fans don't have anywhere close to the amount of scar tissue and PTSD that Toronto fans do. Nervous energy for Leafs fans is the default setting. Couple that with outrageous ticket prices and that's what you get
You guys are annoying too tho, frog fans cry hard too
Adam said it we aren't confident in this team, we don't trust them. They still don't meet expectations, why should we cheer loud for them?
My bruins fan take. We like the bruins players not just the team. We see their character and work ethic and we are rooting for them as a team not the team itself.
For a second take off your fan hats. You have Patrice Bergeron and Auston Matthews. Who would you rather win more. I bet even the maple leafs fan objectively would say Bergeron. Because we see the man, the culture, the character. We see him caring, we see him playing with a collapsed lung. We see the effort and the love.
When I watch Brad Marchand I see a player who loves to play the game. Who would probably play for free if he had to. When I see Auston Matthews I see an athlete that is great at his sport. I don’t see the love.
That’s the difference.
What, being bieber's best friend isn't an appealing personality? Color me shocked.
You make good points but I don't think someone from Arizona plays hockey unless he really loves the game. Its not like Canada where hockey is your best and probably only shot at making pro. He could have easily played football or baseball (he's reportedly better at baseball than he is at hockey) for far more money than he ever would as a hockey player.
@@smokesletsgo2374 I think he likes to play, mostly because it's something he's good at. I also think he doesn't have a likable personality.
Never been a huge fan of Adam but he was the best part of this. Thank you buddy appreciate you.
Big true
There is deep scar tissue when it comes to the Leafs.... you guys nailed it, you can't trust the Leafs 😮
It’s weird seeing the “hockey capital” get out cheered by Carolina and Florida💀
The crowd isn’t good because the leafs don’t win.
The Red Sox didn’t win a World Series for 86 years and filled Fenway that’s no excuse. There is no noise, no atmosphere no pressure in Toronto on opposing players, no wonder they don’t win games that matter.
the arena is filled... the issue is the lower bowl chaps are uppity lmao.
What I got out of this whole discussion is...there's a Producer Nick?
Hey guys, does the phrase "Winfield wants Noise" ring a bell?