Fizik Argo Adaptive: The Most comfortable saddle in the world
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Another roundup of hot product recommendations this time including new carbon fibre wheels from France, another 3D printed saddle from Fizik and a new super lightweight helmet from Specialized
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00:00 Intro
0:18 Corima Essentia 40 wheels
4:58 Specialized S-Works Prevail 3 helmet
8:47 Fizik Vento Argo R3 Adaptive saddle
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I bought the Fizik Argo 3D printed one week after it was released back in July. I love this saddle. Years of saddle pain gone after I got a pro bike fit and this saddle helped. I will buy a second for my other bike.
I bought the R1 saddle 1 month ago and I have 400 plus miles on it. I absolutely love this saddle, I do not feel me moving around in my bibs like the other reviewer said at all. I most recently completed a 72 miler and was extremely comfortable. The very next day I ordered another for my second road bike which is a teammachine.
By far my most favourite saddle as well. Instantly more comfortable on long rides 4+ hours than anything else I’ve used before. No issues whatsoever with bib damage or any issues with the saddle catching me when moving around the saddle. Absolutely fantastic - I guess some people have different experiences but myself and loads of my buddies swear by this saddle. With Fizik’s return policy its a no brainier to try it. I bet you’ll love it.
This is my favorite saddle, I've ridden it for 4 months on my Exploro now and will be using it on everything. Previously my favorite was the SWorks Power.
Love my Berk Lupina saddles, like an armchair for your backside on your bike. Of course a saddle is a personal thing but I went through a mountain of different saddles trying to find one that's still comfortable after 3 or 4 hours.
Wow. That prevail 3 would be perfect here. Amazing
I have both the saddle and helmet. Love both! I’ll probably use a cap or get a helmet with fewer vents for Fall/Winter.
Another great review.
I love my Prevail II… but was due for some new kit. Saw the redundant-drab colors of the Prevail III (and ultra inflated price tag) so decided to go POC Ventral Air instead. Very happy with the POC… highly recommend.
Looking forward to a full review of the C68! 🙏
Hi David
Great video as always. Been a big fan of Corima wheels for a long time and well worth a look 🚴♂️👍🚴♂️👍
The whole French National Track Cycling Team currently has the Corima aero/track wheels on their Look rides.
I recently bought a Prime Doyenne sports saddle from wiggle..got it for 26 euros..its transformed the bike..so comfortable and no friction burns..
I love the design of the corimas.
Finding a comfortable saddle has always been a challenge for me. I spent $26 for a carbon fibre saddle from Descent about 2 years ago and I find it to be much more comfortable than my $185 S-Works saddle. Strange considering that the carbon fibre saddle has zero cushion. I just know that it works.
It may just fit your anatomy the best.
I absolutely love mine! It made my short chainstay aluminium gravel race bike way more comfortable, and friendly to long rides-
I just bought this saddle an hour ago. I was looking for a video reviewing it and couldn't find one. Looks like you dropped this video a few minutes late for me, but im sure being one of the first to review it will suit you well! I have the Power mirror on my road bike and absolutely love it. I am really struggling to find comfort on my trainer bike. I didn't want to drop well over 300.00 on another power mirror and was looking at this one. I'd love to see a comparison video on the Power mirror vs Argo adaptive.
Would you mind updating us on your findings? I am wondering exactly the same.
My Selle San Marco ShortFit Open-Fit Carbon FX (Yeah a mouthful) is the best saddle I've ever ridden. 155g at less than $200. It's the same theme as these new saddles without the 3d printing gimmick which at like $5 a unit gives vendors an unreal margin. It looks a lot better too.
Was about to buy this but its too wide for me so i settled the antares evo adaptive r3. The antares evo fits me perfectly and comfy af.
I'm not getting on with my Argo adaptive because there isn't enough support when or more to the point density of material around the nose area. I've also noticed more significant wear in my Assos bib shorts around the seat area since using this saddle. I'll go back to the Bontrager Aeolus soon.
It always amazes me that I can’t find a saddle more comfortable than the one I had on my 1988 Specialized. Very basic foam saddle. Not lightweight or fancy at all, but I could ride all day on it. Now there are all these crazy expensive high-end saddles, and I can’t find one that I really get-on with.
Common experience. My favourite saddle is a stock plastic affair I got on a Giant SCR 20 years ago. The bike is long gone but I kept the saddle. All day comfort.
I gave this saddle a try because I wanted to see if a short nose saddle would work with a new bike, but it was a bit too wide for me. I'm able to use the Antares 3d printed saddle but I feel like something slightly inbetween might be best for me.
They do two widths, 140 and 150mm
@@suburbia2050 Yeah I tried the 140 but it wasn't working for me.
Great video David !
I have ordered the Fizik Vento Argo adaptive 00.
I have always had trouble with saddles irritating my groin/hamstrings.
Have you noticed this issue at all with this saddle ?
My sit bones measure 11.2 cm and I have ordered the 140 width saddle .
Thanks, Dave
I wonder how the saddle compares to the specialized power arc? The power didn't work for me, wings were way too wide but arc was good but not perfect.
Great review, thank you @davidarthur ! Question bothering me a lot is: what is better - Fizik VENTO ARGO ADAPTIVE or Specialized Power with Mirror? You've tested both but not sure if you've compared both of them?
Another comfortable saddle in the name of ISM is a hidden gem. They rarely do commercial out side of Ironman event✨✨✨
It would have to go some to beat the Prologo NDR.
The price needs to come way down for that saddle to really matter.
I bought the original Argo,non adaptive but same Kium rails and £130.
The most comfortable saddle I have had.
Why would I buy the adaptive one if this fits the bill? 🤔
1600 grams, same as stock alu wheels on many bikes.
Looks vulnerable. I'd try it for half the price.
Couldn't live with those wheels with the loud branding on a different radius to the rims!
I just got the S-Works Prevail 3 about 2 weeks ago, as well as the Fizik Argo Adaptive (R1) about 1 month ago. Both are phenomenal.
David. Please can you check out Zed wheels? British builder, based in Yorkshire, great price …
Did Colnago let you keep that C68? I am so envious you still have it.
As far as I remember he bought the frame and had it built so probably yes.
How would this saddle compare to the specialized power? I currently ride the power and I like it, but thinking about this one.
How would you compare the fizik saddle w something like a shimano pro stealth? The shape looks very similar
Can help to provide an honest opinion comparing the Fizik Argo adaptive and Specialized power mirror in term of riding comfort and pro and con of both? Thank you so much.
Fizik’s Niseine HP was the most comfortable saddle Fizik ever made.
The honeycombs pattern will wear out your Lycra quicker
Just ordered mine today… R3 Variant directly from Fizik with 15% off (38€) for 220€! Pretty high still but i hope this will sort out my pimple/sore points on my damn hairy bum!
Well, there's always shaving or depilatory or laser hair removal. You might have to get creative with the mirror or have a REALLY good friend help. 😉I have the same hairy situation but very little pimple issue
@@aubreywhitley6889 Hehe, shaving makes it worse usually… I have thick hair and they grow fast. Hair removal is an option, but I’m skeptical that skin gets irritated even more. Thank goodness i have a wife that takes immediate care of my bum pimples. She actually has fun, me not so much. 🤣
No cutout on top? How can we mount it on seatpost? Need a hole for 6mm hex...
Hello David, why this adaptative technologie doesn't exist for the cyclist who use aliante model ? :/ because vento or anteres are not the "Bull" cyclist ...
What width did you test 140 or 150mm?
has anyone run into an issue or the Fizik Argo R3 saddle ripping into the bib seams? I have 2 pairs of bibs that i've been using over the summer with chewed up seams that hold the chamois from riding on this saddle. Both bibs have the same issue in the same spot and they are a different brand.
Re the saddle, it was too grippy so was unable to micro adjust easily, there was too much sag compared with the non adaptive version (which i have gone back to) which meant more pressure i am 92 kg so perhaps it's for the 70kg lot. The holes ... it felt like it was pinching my cheeks which sounds odd but true. Maje sure you raise the saddle tiny bit as its compresses a lot more than the non adaptive version.
Shame as i really wanted to like it but it's ended up being and expensive experiment having sold it on ebay 🙃
Really interesting feedback Eddie thanks for sharing, the pinching does not sound good at all lol !
I bought the non adaptive version as well to compare and I find that the adaptive is much softer and allows for more pressue in the sensitive areas. The non adaptive does feel a bit different as I tend to rest on my sitbones a lot more on it compared to the Adaptive. The result is that I have to tilt the Adaptive version into a lot more negative nose tilt to get a comfortable feeling without numbness.
£24 Madison Flux more comfortable than either of my two Fizik saddles in fact so comfortable I can't see the point of using anything else........,BUT we all have different derriere's I suppose! 😄
Hi David thanks for the reviews. I'm always looking for a comfortable saddle and my most concern is how does the nose of the saddle feels when your hands are on the drops riding an aggressive position for about 5 to 15 minutes?
Saddle comfort is subjective, can’t say the best.
Dr. Steven Schrader from NIOSH:
“When you sit on a bike the pressure on the perineum increases sevenfold. Riders using a classic saddle place 1/4 of their body weight on the perineum. The amount of oxygen reaching the *** typically falls 70% to 80% in 3 minutes. A guy can have his oxygen levels drop 100% but he doesn’t know it. After half an hour he goes numb. Saddles with splits or holes may make matters worse because they have smaller surface areas, and hence the rider’s weight presses harder on less saddle. The arteries in the perineum run laterally and therefore they come under more pressure when they come into contact with the cutouts’ edges. It is no longer a question of whether or not traditional bike saddles causes ED, but what are you going to do about it?”
Your own history confirms that you are not designed to sit on something resembling a 2 x 4 up on edge. The damage is by accumulation. So one day all the symptoms will present themselves but by that time significant damage is done. People 'trash' me for adding these comments but I have sold 42,000 seats and have talked directly to at least 6000 people and have heard every urological condition here is as caused by saddles. The common factor: they all trusted people like this and used saddles EXACTLY like these: the same old same old.
Stop the damage and use a Spongy Wonder
I liked that saddle, but the problem I had is the nose was too long and wide. If they cut a half inch off the nose or thinned it down just about 10mm, it would be perfect for me. It is the most comfortable saddle ever, but it rubbed my inner thighs.
Get the Specialized Mirror
@@MrFrescocotone I was thinking about trying it
David, have you ridden the Selle SMP Plus, Pro or Avant? The Plus may be a tad too wide and heavy for you, but the microfibre (colour) version of the Plus by far the most comfortable saddle I've ridden to date (I'm heavier than you and almost certainly have wider seat bones). The surface of leather version of the Plus (black), despite the saddle's comfortable feel on the account of its shape, sticks and feels uncomfortable, especially in hot weather. The latter is not the case with the microfibre versions of the Plus.
How do you think does this compare? I wish, Seller SMP 3D-printed their Plus and the Avant and removed leather from their range altogether.
Dave yours 140mm or 150mm?
Do not the honeycombs of the saddle rub the fabric of the cycling shorts?
I find that they do, and the rubbing destroys the chamois holding seams.
Yup - bought one and couldn't get on with it at all - the Prologo NDR is by far the best saddle I have ever sat on.
Video idea: how do the Fizik 3D models compare with the Specialized 3D?
The Argo seems to be priced cheaper than the Specialized mirror versions.
Is the Argo closer in shape to the Power or the Romin? I've found the Power shape rubs the inside of my legs. No issue with the Romin.
Is all 3D tech created equal? Or is one more squishy/stable/comfortable than the other?
Same here: I’ve found the Power Mirror is more comfortable than the Fizik, but I wish the S-works came in a smaller size than 143.
I have the arc which helped me with inside thigh I got in the original power saddle.
@@samuraioodon maybe one day they'll make a mirror 3D version of the arc
@@richcole3931 I have the expert and it was $160, but had discount. now website shows 220! Insane increase, not sure I'm going to consider a 3d of that.
I have read a few times in reviews that The specialised mirror tech feels softer to sit on than the fizik tech.
I don’t like the larger vents….it would show the thinning hair up top :D
I always ride with a Head Sweats skullcap under my helmet anyway (even in, and especially in, 100*F heat), so that does not matter for me.
But, to ride that new Specialized in the late fall/winter around here, I would need one of the those windproof Gore Tex full helmet covers AND a good, thick merino wool/poly blend hat under it to prevent total brain freeze.
How do you find it compares to the S-Works Romin EVO with Mirror saddle?
I think that might be a good comparison for my next product recommendation roundup eh?
Does anyone know if a Fizik Argo Adaptive R1 saddle with 7 x 10 rails will fit on a Specialized Roval Alpinist seatpost? Thanks!
At 1'600g for a 40 wheelset that is already hookless and carbon is too much these days. I have a set that is 1'416g which is actually already 46g above advertised. But they are also 45/55. Not 40/40. That makes a big difference actually. The company's 38/38 wheels are 140g lighter, subtracting that from the actual weight of mine and not advertised, to be conservative (though of course the Corima value of 1'600g is also just advertised and may be higher actually), you get 1'276, which is 324g lighter at essentially the same depth. That's massive. Massive.
How's come I've never seen a review of helmet using the Halo headband? Halo needs to partner with a major helmet brand or MIPS. I think it's difficult to get helmet that works good with it but I wear one on every ride to prevent salty eyes. Why cant manufacturers incorporate this for racers?
Can you suggest which size for a seatbone width of 120mm?
That's about on the cusp..you could go either but wider would probably be more comfortable on your sit bones..
The worst saddle I ever tested. It’s comfortable, yes. But instead of sliding around on the saddle (with your bibs ), the bibs stick to the saddle because of the soft material and those grabby holes, which leads to your bum sliding aroung in the bibs. Quite an unsettling feeling, and moreover: bibs are not constructed for that action.
I too experienced the same issues, especially the nose of the saddle catching my shorts - I returned mine to Fizik within their return policy window
Same experience, I also felt like it feel the texture through my Castelli bibs and I really disliked that. Also saddle was way to wide at the mid point and led to some ugly saddle sores. Sella Italia SLR boost superflow has been way better for me.
Yes, the return policy of fizik is good. But if you pay that money for a saddle, you better be happy with it. Or are allowed to return it.
Thanks for that feedback!
100% same. I think I tried most of the first wave of 3D saddles and, despite the Fizik and S-Works ones being made in the same factory by the same company, the Specialized saddles allow for moving around, while the design of the Fizik holes grabs your bib shorts every time you shift in the saddle. Worst chafing I’ve had with any saddle.
That saddle is PANCAKE Flat!!!
Every classic saddle is a nightmare, our cycling shorts with chamois are in fact the proof. The best saddle in the world is Spongy Wonder.
That saddle seems like a nightmare to clean after riding in the rain.
Have the power mirror - not an issue because you can hose it down.
I bought this saddle and my butt continually burned. It’s not that comfortable. Maybe the Specialized version is more comfortable but that’s $450.
3d printed saddles shes broken after couple months of use. Its not normal to pay 300 euros for couple months
charge spoon for me 25quid!
Don’t have this 3D saddle but I have the specialized power mirror saddle so I am guessing this Fizik one is just as comfortable as that. Just the profile shape isn’t my preference.
The design of the holes is different, so see if you can try the Fizik. I found that it grabs your bibs as you move around during a ride, causing chafing, whereas the Mirror saddle has smoother edges to the holes. YMMV as many people on here are happy with both, but worth testing.
WAIT!!! There’s a Colnago C68 now???
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@@davidarthur AWESOME!!
You are joking, right?
@@tonyg3091 , Lol. No
Comfortable. Heavier that Selle Italia Carbonio Boost SLR. 3d printed saddles - even vs the upcoming Selle Italia version - IS/ARE Heavier than the carbon and padded former versions. Too grabby material in my opinion. Love Fizik. But this as the most comfortable saddle is mere clickbait strategy for views. Tried Cadex as well. Comfort is comparable to non 3d printed saddles. Even adidas 3d printed sneakers are comfortable BUT as noticeably heavier than foam soles..
Probably cheaper to get a new arse. Bike stuff going nuts.
Ridiculous price for a pair of wheels.
A saddle completely depends on your physiology so the people in the comments need to chill!!
most comfortable, i don't think so, saddle is like lottery even with right ass sized properly, i ride 20 different saddles to find the "gold nuggets"
today i have 3 saddles for my bikes, "2 roads-1mtb" are Selle Royal Scentia M3 & Brooks b17. i not pay insane amount of cash for an 3d print saddle with cheap looks.
Exactly. I went from the Specialized power to the Fizik Argo before settling on the Selle Italia Gravel. When it comes to saddles, one size doesn’t fit all.
One would guess, with 3D printing, a lot of saddles can be turned out fast.
Gotta strike while the iron is hot and get top dollar.
Hookless rims, ruined it
Fizik seats have been the WORST I have ridden. Very uncomfortable and stiff. I have tried two and VERY displeased with both. The best seat I have discovered is an Infinity seat. They look funny but are more comfortable than any saddle I have ridden. I ride between 5000 and 7000 miles a year. I have put infinity seats on my gravel, training road bike and my race bike.
I hate this saddle. It came with my bike. I keep sliding forward on the thinner part, maybe it’s just not for me
Sounds more like the saddle is tilted too nose down?
Condidering that 3D print is rather cheap tech, Im surprised by the price tag on that saddle. They want me to believe that running automatic 3d machine costs so much? LOL, no.
Fila giocava tennista con Faenza tu no
Swiggey = less compliant. 😂
I know you have to make a living and cover your costs, but I always wonder whether reviews like this are actually reviews or just adverts. It’s not as if a company is going to give you a product and maybe some cash as well, or a cut on sales, just for you to slate it in the review. Always interesting to watch but I treat recommendations with a pinch of salt.
For what it's worth these are reviews and not adverts, there's no pressure from the brands when it comes to my reviews, I am genuinely sharing my honest opinion on how the products perform and if they live up to their expectations. These brands certainly don't give me any money or a cut of sales! That's my guarantee to you :)
@@davidarthur Fair enough! Thanks for taking the time to reply.
BS - everyone is built different - tried this and didn't like it at all....nearly as bad as the SQLabs 924....Prologo NDR is by far the best saddle I have ever sat on.
If your height, fore/aft, and tilt isn't dialed in, ain't no saddle gonna feel good. The corollary to that is there's no need to mortgage your home to buy one like this. Good grief!
Not nearly as comfortable as a broken in brooks swift.
The problem with these 3d printed saddles is they collapse after a few months and won't stay as comfortable as when it was new. Had a specialized mirror one which was great at first but then the honeycomb became soft after a few months of use. Trash
I’ve had the same experience… 3 times!
@@myronlabat6491 Try 10 these are trash everything in the bike world is trash these days
looks very 2012
Just no on the Argo. Literally gave me hemorrhoids. I will stick to my Arione.
What's the saddle weight . Didn't catch that.. does seem nice if still superlite.
$230 for a bike seat? Are you insane??
nobody is saying you have to spend this much on a saddle of course ;)
@@davidarthur A psychiatric evaluation would be a proper course of action for anyone who had. 😉
Some of the Specialized printed versions are $500 USD!!! 😱😱
Looks wide and flat. People will say it's fantastic because of all the money spent.
Trust me - people will cave into the truth after 1K no matter the price. Nothing beat saddle (dis-)comfort.
Wow ,colnago with Shimano on ,shame on you .
Copycat of specialized Power Pro with Mirror saddle !
It's a different adaptive tech and design!
What’s in the “Embargo Box”?
HOOKLESS RIMS = DEATH WISH
Saddle is a copy of the power mirror 🫢