LOG PUNCH vs DOUBLE BLIP - Differences explained!
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In this video we are going to talk about the differences between two log crossing techniques. The log punch, and the double blip. Both techniques can be very handy out on the trail but you’ll need to decide which one is more suitable depending on the obstacle you’re faced with.
Let’s start with the log punch. The log punch is less advanced and easier to execute than the double blip. The goal with the log punch is to land on two wheels on the other side of the log. We punch our front wheel into the log and carry on the throttle until our rear wheel leaves the log. The trick is to stay on the throttle long enough to let that rear wheel drive up the log. That’s what allows us to jump over the log and land on two wheels instead of dropping the front wheel first. This technique is especially handy when we have a second obstacle that we need to clear with the front wheel or even both wheels.
The double blip is a little bit more technical. It requires two blips of the throttle and a good weight/de-weight of the suspension. With the double blip, you still want the front wheel to hit the log, but it’s more a wheel placement than a punch. Instead of hitting the log on the way up with our wheelie, we want to start our wheelie further back and place the wheel as it’s coming down from the wheelie. As the wheel comes down on the log, I’m compressing the suspension, and then as I get on the throttle the second time, I un-weight the suspension to lighten that rear wheel as much as possible to help it up onto the log.
This is brilliant, thank you so much. Lots of other tutorials dont explain this, and we end up doing log punches when trying to db and it just doesn't work that way
Keep teaching Megs! That was a great explanation.
Fantastic explanation and demonstration!!
I love your work Meg keep it up
OMG you make it look so easy..thankx for the video.i struggle so much over these bigger logs..I will watch this many times
Damn, most of my log crossings have ended up being log punches vs double blips as I was intending. This really helped me understand difference. Maybe I should video my practice vs trying to "feel" what I think is happening.
Barry would be ashamed of me
Haha Barry would NOT be ashamed! He would be proud that you’re working on it!
nice! i like the way you explain/show the different techniques :)
Great video, luv the easy to understand explanation, your a star keep em coming :-)
You are a good instructor. It is people like you who can stir up interest in riding more than any TV of MX or SX, or even the FIM/AMA,---as long as we can afford a bike and have places to ride.
This was a real eye opener. I have been trying to do the double blip with the punch. Setting the front tire on the log for the punch is something I never heard anyone say before. Thanks so much!
Well done explanations 😀
Yo Meg's! You are a beast , love the tide bits and info. Love adventure Oz for getting me linked up with you
Your instructional videos are superior.
I’m glad you find them helpful!
I've spent years at the gym preparing to just throw my bikenover these things.
Great Job!
Thank you
Megs, great vid as always!!! Folks, if you ever can, take one of the classes that Megs teaches. I can't say it enough, best class that I have done. The way they build your skills as you move through the day or days is incredible.
Thanks Rich!! I’m always appreciative of the positive feedback. I’m so glad the class was a good experience for you.
@@megs_braap There are some great trails in Michigan you would enjoy trying. They have expanded the trails for the side by sides, but the single tracks are still there and used. My favorite is a 40 mile loop called "The Little O", (a full 2.2 gallon tank of gas.). There is a bike shop in the area called "Peacock LTD" with The little O and other trails in the close area. A trail called "Tin Cup" in Evert is pretty tight if you like that stuff. Also lodging and good places to eat, (Club 37 is great food IMO.). Peacock LTD should be able to get all the information you will need, and has the trail maps, (the employees do not have as much knowledge as they used to though.). You need a ORV sticker and a spark arrester. The ORV sticker can be bought at the dealership I am sure. The Peacock bike dealership number is 231-745-4606, in Baldwin Michigan about 3.5 hours N/E from Detroit.
You're welcome Doug in Michigan. :)
Lol you make it look and sound easy good info thanks
Everything is easy, once you figure out how to do it. :)
I was on a great trail ride back in my hay day, (like 30 years ago), and I was hard to beat on fast (3rd gear) whooped out sans single track with berms in every corner. But I was with some real fast tight woods guys I never met, and they lead us through the tight stuff every time I caught them on the whooped out stuff. One guy even passed me on a tight trail, and I still have no idea where he found room. I was getting pissed. :) Then we came to a log jam where some tree cutting had happened, and we all got bottle necked, so I caught up. There are the guys going down the hill on the left, breaking trail to get around the log jam, and I did not want to wait. On my right, was a pile of logs stacked up that nobody thought of going over, but was a much more direct line back to the trail. Pissed off, and not even thinking, I blitzed up that pile of logs, jumping half of them, and got back on the trail ahead of those bastards. :) (kidding. They were all great guys).
you didn't do that!
I'm still working on the Dbl blip. Timing thang!Thang! Thanks Maam
Great explanation and matching videos. I'm 66, less experienced and less accomplished. The punch technique works for me with my 500exc, 690 enduro and 890 adv r. I haven't gotten the hang of it with the double blip. I suspect that learning that on my heavier bikes is more difficult than on a 2stroke or trials bike.
Thanks, Megs! Awesome explanation, as always. Quick question: when using the punch technique, when do you come off the throttle? I've heard people say you should get off the throttle just before your back tire hits the obstacle, or you'll get wheel spin (especially on a log). But it seems like the punch technique requires throttle to get the back tire up the face of the log. So let off when the back tire gets to the top of the log? Thoughts? Big thanks again! Great stuff!!
Hey! You must stay on the throttle long enough to drive that rear wheel up the obstacle. If you cut the throttle before the rear wheel hits and it hits with no drive, the front wheel drops immediately. If you’ve got any speed going, this will give you that kick on the butt with your seat as you go over. Because you need to be on the throttle on the log, this technique isn’t ideal for extremely slippery logs.
Is it possible to make a video analysing how to get over bigger logs? Thank you so much for your help!!
The slow mo makes a world of difference in understanding the subtle movements.
Nice
great video as always. One thing important to the double blip is body position. I notice you start with body back.. 2nd blip body comes forward and as the rear tire hits body comes back again. I think this body position is an important part of the double blip. Keep braaping Megs. your videos improve my riding without even sitting on my bike.
"Your videos improve my riding without even sitting on my bike."
How do you know that? jeeeech, lol
@@EarthSurferUSA its otherwise known as knowledge. knowing something I didn't know before will improve my riding. Also because I know I can take this new knowledge and apply it to my riding and get better immediately. Does that make sense?
Your a beast 💪
Hey Megs, thanks for another good video! I’m starting out the way you did.. Got an MX bike and find myself wanting to learn enduro techniques. Any chance you can drop a vid with some tips aimed at helping to learn them on an mx style? Thanks again for the content!
I don't blame you. MX tracks are too fast today, and not as technical as the 2-stroke days. I know one thing, if you are not around 6 foot tall, you will like your bike lowered a bit. I lowered my 2019 YZ250 2-stroke, (quite possibly the tallest bike made today,---why?) by 1" in the seat and .75" off the suspension on both ends. Then I rejected the freestyle handle bar set up (rotated forward and level levers), for the set up that worked better for riding in the 80's. So much easier to ride and turn.
Can you do a vid on how to approach tyre matrix
Обожаю мотоциклы,но ещё больше тебя!!!🙂
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When you weight-deweight the suspension before the log, do you do that by body weight or do you touch the brakes too? Many thanks!
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Your good
I know this is an older video but I was just curious how long you have been riding? You have introduced me to some techniques I've not seen elsewhere and I'm really enjoying the insight
This video isn’t very old. I filmed it this year! I’ve been riding since 2007. I’m glad you’ve been enjoying this vids :).
Thanks for the helpful video. It drove me to punch the subscribe button
Hahaha thanks Duane! I appreciate it!
To explain the "log punch" a bit differently. When you kiss your lofted front wheel off the top of the log with the throttle on enough, you are creating lift at the front end while the rear wheel hits the log. The rear wheel hitting the log, (still with some throttle), will make the front end want to go down, and it would if it were not on the way up. The downward force of the front end as the rear wheel hits the log has to overcome the lifting motion of the front, before it can change directions and come down. By that time, you landed it.
IMO the double blip method does almost the same thing, but is slower, more complicated and uses fork compression to get the front end lift instead of more acceleration. That allows you to get your front wheel on the ground if you need a faster direction change. The double blip method, I suspect, comes from the trials side of the sport. Good stuff.
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When you do the double blip do you use the clutch on the second blip or just the throttle? Thanks
Clutch on both, that’s what the blip is. Throttle can’t give you the snappy instant power that clutch can. IRC Tire guy has some really good videos on it as well.
I have a klx300r its a 4 stroke, my question is doesnt it destroy a 4 stroke clutch wgen doing double blips?
Megan, have you ever had that happen where the momentum of the rear tire hitting the log or large rock snapped your body back so hard that it ripped the handlebar grips out of your hands ?
notice when the rear tire hits on the double blip body position is moving hips toward the bars. then back again hips - back / foward / back. Critical to double blip
@@mofekka Yes, a lot going on there in such a short space of time and I know how that would pan out for me !
@@charlesb4267 It was not that your body got snapped back. It was probably because your upper body was not forward enough over the bars when the front end went down. If you were too far back with your arms almost stretched out when the front end starting going down, the bars simply fell "out of your reach", and pulled the bars from your hands as soon as your arms were straight, and the wheel still had 10" to go, (for example), before it touched the ground.
@@EarthSurferUSA Actually your right, I scratch my head now when I read back what I wrote as it is the bars that snap forward as the rear tire hits the object ( especially if the front of the rear tire "hooks" the tree one launched the front tire over and wants to pull the bars out of ones grasp in the process if the rear tire doesn't have the traction or doesn't have power to it to counteract that snap forward.
Possibly stupid question, but in your video you can see that you come down really nose heavy on the double blip in comparison to the punch. On a larger log, isn’t that going to make it very likely to go OTB, and how do you combat that?
Of if the ground drops off on the other side of the log. I was wondering the same thing. It does get trickier. I remember meeting a bicycle trials pro (Bob Lawson from Michigan), who was competing with a motorcycle trial exhibition in Grand Rapids about 30 years ago. One of the obstacles was a 55 gallon drum laid on its side, strapped to a pallet. The motorcycles were able to use that method and not endo on the back side, but the Lawson had to bunny hop to a stop on top sideways, and bunny hop off, or else he told me he would probably endo.
The punch is more efficient. When you hit a concrete block that's 3ft tall, double blip often can't provide enough traction and impulse to get the bike to the top. I don't need to tell this to people who go up 3ft blocks... But I thought it should be mentioned.
I think the double blip method comes from trials riding, where you might want to be slower and get your front wheel on the ground faster in case you need to start turning. For my trail riding where I can carry some speed everywhere, I don't think I would use the double blip method, but would be fun to master just in case. :)
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I feel like I ALWAYS try to punch, and when I give it a drop too much I naturally just do the double.
Well, double blip and punch are really just the flavors of same technique. When you have bigger log, with undercut etc you actually use zap technique not double blip.