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- The next generation synchronous superconducting motors have arrived. With a proclaimed 99.9% efficiency, will it replace conventional designs?
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New claim of room temperature super conductor has been made. LK-99
Yes, let's follow this closely! Seems to display Meisner effect but I'm skeptical of it (like previous debunked claims). If it's true then it's revolutionary.
@@Tech_Planet Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That being said, I want a go cart with an super conducting electric motor.
@@ChrisWilson999 Today is Aug 8 2023 and LK-99 was debunked.
I worked on superconductors in the 60's. 8 degrees absolute was the best we had. ~80 degrees absolute today impresses me. Don't expect room temperature this century.
Some of the new ones seem to trade cold temperatures for unbelievably, crushingly high pressures. Still not practical for most applications but interesting.
Currently we must choose. Crazy pressurized at room temp, or supercooled at atmospheric pressure.
There is super conductors at room temperature from like 50 years ago, but they are reserved for military uses. the principal idea to understand is that materials dynamic behavior can be very different that the material static.
Bucky tubes.
advanced robotics machine learning applied to materials science research, id be surprised if they didnt find a room temperature superconductor before Jesus returns in about 15 years.
My husband started watching this but then he got SHOCKED and I had to call the wambulance. Be careful out there!
Will it fit in my 96 Honda Civic?
Maybe the turbo pump designs in rocket engines can benefit from superconducting electric motors when they can be cooled by the cryogenic fuel?
Turbo pumps are powered by combustion since they have to overcome chamber pressure to get fuel into the engine.
@@normangiven6436 Check out the Electron.....
At 1:28 Isn't that a CT scanner? You can see the detector array at the bottom (5 fans) and the x-ray tube at the top left
Must have massive torque!
conventional motors also quite effective (especially on such power) but of course way heavier.
but cooling hardware also have weight so not everything are clear.
Interesting Video, THX subbed 👍
Big questions...
Is it reliable under arduous conditions?
Is it's cost within the reach the average consumer?
Is it sustainable?
Sounds encouraging if they can raise the superconducting temp.
Would be good for a generator rather than a motor. The mechanical to electrical conversion would be over 95%
FYI, some lower tesla MRI's use permanent magnets.
Permanent magnets are currently advanced and very useful. I believe that in the future we will rely on permanent magnets instead of energy-consuming electromagnets that produce a lot of heat and electromagnetic pollution.
The torque potential could destroy the smaller lighter motor when full power potential is applied. ( i.e. due to its lower mass relative to input power ) it would have to be optimised to function within the operational limits of the motor, due to material strength limitations. I guess they've done all that testing, so they know it can work.
I did not know about it. But very high conductivity could mean that the skin-depth with a varing external magnetic field is much smaller. This would increase the inner current density inside the super-conductor and decrease the total rotating current capability. I did not read much about skin-effect in super-condutors, it seams they are for static fields.
At anywhere near ~20T, steel cores would be pointless, as they saturate ~1.5T. Additionally, steel would have enormous core losses at ~20T. What do they use? Air cores now?
nice to see other uses than levitating a magnet.
Also 99%efficiencies have been achieved by commercial electric motors long time ago, it's only unheard of by people who don't follow tech.
I theorize that with magnetic bearings and magnetic gears we could achieve over 100% efficiency.
I agree with only in the use of permanent magnets ( and not with consumer, inefficient electromagnet ). This is despite the fact that conventional gears and conventional bearings are very efficient, effective, reliable and theirs losses are very few.
One possible use of this. Use high voltage DC for transmission and using the dc to turn this motor generate AC for cities.
Imagine the intensity of a staredown between an ICE driver waiting for his motor to warm up and an superconducting EV driver waiting for his motor to chill
so esxciting... cheers!
Even if this motor is 99% efficient, at 2 MW power output one still needs to remove 20 kW of heat to keep it at the same temperature. That sounds difficult to achieve. But hey, engineers...
20kw is nothing especially for 2MW, an ICE engine is ~25% efficient, so a 100hp (74.57kw) needs to remove 223kw of heat at full power.
@@andrewharpin6749 True, but this is at cryogenic temperatures.
Shockingly shocking shocker
I am not shocked. What industry was shocked by this well-known, decades old development?
This happens when a perpetual motion machine spins so fast or something
I have worked with a ceramic-type superconductor applied in a dispositive to limit an induction motor starting current. It is incredibly challenging working with these materials. Finding a superconductor material at room temperature and/or developing a manufacturing process for mass production with high-quality levels will be a turning point in society. It will powerfully increase efficiency in energy production, transportation, and computation.
Dream on
I don't see where boosting a motor's efficiency another 10% will ever be cost/power effective when cryo equipment must be used to do the cooling. Any size improvements are immediately lost as well.
True, it would only be good in power generation whre MW of power is being equated.
So a 400, or 800lb motor, with 10, or 20 tons of batteries, copper, and cooling equipment, to run it. Genius.... I'm guessing large scale gas turbines, or diesel gennys at the airports to charge the mega ampere batteries?
99% efficiency isn't "unheard of" (04:10) - it can be achieved with conventional copper and clever motor designs.
Room temperatures are not needed for this to be useful. Motors usually already have active cooling systems, so we just need a colder one. The losses and hassle from this cooling will only be offset by the gains in power, materials, and efficiency in very powerful systems. So this would be very unlikely for daily passenger cars. High temperatures in this case means liquid nitrogen. Liquid nitrogen isn't cheap or easy to work with, but neither is jet fuel or steam. Its the classic trade-off : do I just put in a bigger engine, or do I add a turbo and a bottle of NOS? I can imagine racers topping off their nitrogen tank at the welding store just like they do now.
Make a video on quantum generator patent...
How much more powerful is superconducting motor compared to the same size non-superconducting motor?
10x density power!
What magnetic material can conduit 20T flux?
Interesting. Early. Days for this
What usage would a motor of these specs best suit?
There was one under development for the Zumwalt class Destroyers that was not ready when the design was finalized.
Thats right, ship/aircraft propulsion maybe power generation. Some designs branch off to different motor types with HTS
Oddly enough, the motor is not crazy and it didn't shock the entire industry.
Power plant can use this concept to generate electricity 10 times more in same space
If its a motor its also a generator. I think Rolls Royce was working on something like this driven by a turbine to produce around 2-3MW of electric power for longer duration eVTOL aircraft.
Peculiar...
"helium, which is a lot more plentiful... well, at least on Earth" wtf? what planets have you been to?
Rochester, Reddmatter, 20.9 degrees Celsius. Near room temperature superconductors… but I doubt Toshiba is using this, there’s a lot of development required.
Have I been misinformed?
I thought graphene can superconduct at room temperature.
"an over hyped," not "a over hyped."
Considering that there is a finite amount of helium I don't see how this could be sustained if it is required. Liquid nitrogen is not cheap either. 2666 hp would be pretty sweet though.
Cool.....
I thought it was a bicycle motor ;-)
Does it heat up when under heavy load? Seems cumbersome.
No. The 99% efficiency claim means 1% heat of 2MW. That's 20000 watts of heat which would be spread through it's mass. Negligible in other words. To compare that to a 2MW diesel generator, which would make more than 1MW of heat.
Probably pulse tube cooled
talking about gasoline, tesla turbo turbine engine is super small, simple to make, and same power as normal turbines, more than piston engines of same size
So, I had an idea about how cool it would be to have the opposite of a microwave beam. Heh, I said "Cool' idea", because that's what it would do. to COOL , rather to radiate. Almost timing the radiation to radiate against the materials natural vibration.
If you are reading this and can achieve this idea, DO IT.
Design it and get it done.
Probably not going to be in a car unless high temperature superconductors manage to be found.
The high frequency brushless motor is very efficient in Tesla's, batteries are not far off from 500+mile range.
Why would a car need a 2600 HP motor? Maybe I should watch the video...
@@anonymous12345678935 because its cooling system weighs so much more than the motor
I think it has insane military use. On a missele per chance? Just load it up with liquid helium in a tank. Give it autogenous pressure and boom! Literally. It just has to keep the thing cool long enough.
Maybe I'm just not being creative enough but until the technology matures significantly I don't see a lot of civilian uses.
Sure, but we have plenty of things that carry our stuff that goes boom. How do we justify the use of helium for this application? For something that will go boom anyways?
@@dreugh424 I think that's it, war is like the only thing where you could justify it. In any other situation it wouldn't be economic. But it still makes sense to blow up a 10 million dollar missile if it takes a 100 million dollar jet or whatever.
That's setting aside the non-renewability of helium, which I feel makes the "so wasteful it only makes sense in war" argument stronger.
Toshiba is going broke, and getting sold...They still have some assets or is it PR?
The wires are super conducting so they don't lose part of the electric energy in heat. But how do we keep the environment heat reaching the wires? Simple we cool it with super cold helium. But how do we take out the heat from the helium to trow it back to the environment? Easy we use very energy inneficient cooling systems like a refrigerator. So what happens to the total energy we use to make the whole system work? It's not in the paper.
Everytime I hear about new breaking ground technology that don't mention the overall energy efficiency of the whole system, I know it's a marketing scheme looking for 'free money' to finance the R$D of some project. This has been going on for decades with the nuclear fusion (potential) industry.
More positive thinking would be: How many people got inspired by those videos.
This a good point and tbh I think that we need to find a room temp superconducting material without immense pressure being applied to it.
Few hundred kilos!? That's basically a truck engine but 5-6 times more powerful!
prob marketing, see some real footage of it working 1st
How do electric motors gain torque? More current or more coils or something else?
Reduction gears, large diameter, amps, more turns of wire for lower RPM or fewer heavier turns for higher RPM, and overall power. Bigger is better but heavier.
@@billboyd4051 cool thanks
I was always curious about that.
@@inspectorsteve2287 I fly RC planes where torque lets you spin a larger prop to go vertical, but at a slower speed.
@@billboyd4051 that's cool. My uncle used to build rc planes out of wood. Like in a kit. He was always in his woodshop sanding and glueing stuff together. We would go out and fly them. Well he would I wasn't allowed to fly it. Lol. Probably was a good idea.
liquid helium cooled ac motor, that compresses and pumps liquid helium.
Awesome video, induction motors are better than BLDC motors because induction motors requires less fancy sensors and chips they to change poles with AC current plus there's no risk of demagnetising the permanent magnets, copper windings on steel core are best.
Induction motors sync to the AC frequency, BLDC motors are actually AC variable high frequency 8000 or higher CPS, variable speed, and sense position without sensors now through RMF pulse and can vary timing through the processor, to provide torque at low RPM or high. Neo magnets provide extra power, and last many years if kept cooled below 130 f or so.
@@billboyd4051 thanks for the information bro.
Megawatt scale electric motors using superconducting coils are not a new thing.
The US navy has been chasing this for decades to the purpose of electrifying its destroyer fleet and increasing its efficiency.
0 I'm sure it works,, but that's in a lab....no money was spared for a one off ,,very clean cut electric motor..that makes your jaw drop..NOW..the problem is ..to the masses = very expensive..to scale down all that wonderful cooling system from a room/lab into a tight compact car/train/plane/boat = very expensive..safety in those mediums- test after test years after years = expensive and a little to late..I'm sure the real science is [ NEED IS NOW - and that the masses can afford such a great motor ..and the safety box is ticked ] ya goofy m8te from Australia
I've developed a distinct🤬 dislike for these things that 'SHOCKS Entire Industry'. I nearly blocked the channel for that. If I didn't also like actual information that I can make sense of...
So true
cooling gas gens is good model reminds on airplane engine and nuclear salt reactor type cooling weight lose is ok if price in production large is resumble what if air turbine air cooler aditionaly added on gens like tesla has this part such as eficent airstream airgliding acc to swuush electric sound and then is even faster and air cooled and nitrogen too
I follow a guy on CZcams making a multiple stage phase-change cooler, trying to get liquid nitrogen.
Always wondered if you could get a turbo boost by temporarily making the motor superconductive. Just hit it with a blast of liquid nitrogen.
Assuming that doesn't just make things explode.
That would be funny too.
No discovery without experimentation.
I think this motor could be very useful as a thrust drive, for changing direction of space craft, or even powering it.
"A over-hyped..."? AN over-hyped??? Skipped Fifth Grade?
I think I am unqualified to speak on this topic ;-)
First time in Internet, huh? 😁
@@Max_Jacoby 🤣
Elon Musk was here. He is now calling TOSHIBA 🇯🇵
At 01:58 - How does one cool something to an extreme temperature?
I think he meant to say 'extremely low' temperature.
I'm no physicist, so who am I to argue.
There is nothing wrong with saying "they have to be cooled to a very extreme temperature". A few degrees above absolute zero is an extreme temperature. Likewise, fusion plasma of 150,000,000K is also a very extreme temperature. 4K is more extreme than 150,000,000 since it is within 4 degrees of the end of the temperature scale but 150,000,000 is still infinity degrees from the other end of the temperature scale.
Not impressed. Even a puny Tesla motor has higher specific power than this. 1/4th of the power but in 35-40 kg? It seems the cooling of this motor requires a lot of hardware.
A waste of time, axial electric motors are superior to radial ones, a priori
There are a couple of axial flux HTS designs out there but a lot of challenges.
@@Tech_Planet They have no problems, all childhood diseases have been eliminated. Axial motors are already certified for aviation, which indicates their high quality.
And the latest scientific achievements, I think you don’t know about it yet, allow you to reduce heat loss by up to 70%. What is unattainable for radial technology.
now, this title made me unsubscribe.....