Inside the Mind of MRS. ASTOR
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- She was a born leader, a most unbearable snob, and a self-appointed gatekeeper.
They called her Mrs. Astor. THE Mrs. Astor. And she would banish you out of her existence, if you were deemed unfit for New York Society.
Oh, how sweet it is to brazenly declare who was and who wasn’t worthy of your presence. Well, before exclusive country clubs and private VIP clubs became all the rage, there was Mrs. Astor.
And she was a force to be reckoned with.
As one of the most notorious gatekeepers in New York history, have you ever asked yourself just how she saw the world? What is it that made this famous doyenne of the gilded age the way she was?
Well today, we are zooming in to do just that.
So without further ado, let’s get into the mind of Mrs. Astor.
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INSIDE THE MIND OF MRS. ASTOR
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You should’ve discussed the ultimate downfall of Caroline Astor’s snobbishness when she was forced to leave a calling card at the home of Alva Vanderbilt so her daughter would be invited to Alva’s costume ball. Oh the humiliation
Thank you. Will be sure to bring it up when we cover Alva.
You must have read Little Gloria, Happy at Last. Alice Vanderbilt competed with her sister-in-law Alva and she was just as eager to get into the charmed circle as well. Both of them had daughters who needed to marry well-Consuelo and Gertrude.
@@Shakespearelover1717 I visited consuelo’s English home, Blenheim palace, just two days ago. Fun fact: the home has this silver horse sculpture about two feet tall. Consuelo insisted that it be placed on the dinner table between her and her husband, the Duke of Marlborough, so she wouldn’t have to look at him 😂
@@dhowe5180 That’s hysterical!! That poor woman was totally dominated by her mother. Don’t you imagine the two Vanderbilt brothers Cornelius and William Kissam just rolled their eyes at their wives’ antics?? When I think of the social desperation and anxiety, I’m just glad to be an ordinary working stiff!!😉
Great comment! Happy to hear it will be covered in Alva's story 🥰👍
"The grueling job of snobbery." What a line.
A great phrase, "A woman of purpose." Can you image what she could have accomplished if she could have used her energies outside her home?
Indeed, and the same could be said of Alva Vanderbilt whose behavior mirrored that of Mrs. Astor, up until the early 1920's when Alva Vanderbilt developed a change of heart after she joined the early Suffragette movement and became 'a woman of purpose.'
Mrs. Astor nearly lost her dignity to Alva Vanderbilt, who was hosting a huge ball in honor of a European noble. She only assumed she was going to be invited, but Mrs. Astor was caught in her own rules-that no one could attend a social function without first calling upon the prospective hostess! Mrs. Astor had looked down on all the Vanderbilts, refusing to ever call on them or have anything to do with them, particularly the Commodore, who regularly chewed tobacco and spit on the floor. But she wanted to attend the party so bad she called on Alva and finally allowed them “in.” She deserved every bit of the crow she ate!
Oh, the narcissism she had. I could have a field day discussing it, lmao. Actually, all those back in the time of the gilded age.
I read that she went crazy in the end and would wander the empty halls and ballroom, talking to imaginary guests and reliving the former glorious days.
Sounds about right. She had dementia in her final years. Perhaps it helped to put things in perspective for her.
How incredibly sad.
Taking notes of Mrs aster
Not talking about private matters with no one
And never letting your weakness be known
In today's society, I would recommend the opposite: show your weaknesses in order to appear more human and win people over.
But you should sort out carefully which weaknesses you show...
Her son JJ Astor died on the Titanic, along with his valet and pet dog.
😮 dang!
Damn the dog died! 😂 They should have put the lil guy in the lifeboat with the pregnant second Mrs. Astor.
@@kathleenorourke6917 If I was onboard, I would’ve personally been throwing people out of the boat to make sure there’s enough room for my pug and the other dogs.
@@giovannirastrelli9821 I Know! Exactly!
@@giovannirastrelli9821 Lol that's the literal definition of psychopathy.
My mom used to refer to anything or anyone pretentious, “They think they’re Mrs. Astor’s pet horse.” Not sure where the saying came from. Her family was Scottish but she was raised just outside New York.🤷🏻♀️
Yep….remember the saying well! Our family heritage is Italian . Raised outsideNewYork as well.
I will remember that line 😅😅😅
Your mom sounds really cool ! I bet she has many of these when it is needed to bite back !
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It seems her private life with her husband was out of control..that's why she exercised so much control in her public life.
I think that's what the wives of the wealthy did back then to carve out a separate identity for themselves because Alva Vanderbilt's private life with her husband was also out of control and she too was exercising a lot of control in her own public life and also that of her daughter Consuela. I also think there was a lot of human nature involved because many of these wealthy wives were simply trying to one-up each other.
Nice one 🤭
What Mrs Vanderbilt did to put Mrs Aster in her place.
Oh snap!
The Astor home in Newport looks like section 8 compared to the marble house that Alva Vanderbilt had. 😂 not saying either family was ‘classy’ but we should all remember that someone can always come along and do something more grand than we have so no need to turn it into a competition
This just seems like a sad, shallow, shell of a person and life, void of any real meaning.
My 5th great grandfather, Colonel Jacob Blackwell, was one of their contemporaries. He owned Blackwell Island, later Roosevelt Island, and he had a home at the corner of Broadway and (?). Funny how his family declined too. 😮
I thought vanderbilds were the OG old money. I was surprised that they were considered new money for that time
What an exciting and privileged life she had ,I wonder how she’s spending eternity
EXACTLY... What does it profit a person to gain the whole world & lose his/her soul??
Yes, it seems she had her " Heaven on earth " right here on earth, she received all the things which would be saved up for the real Heaven, in the present life, her charity to the poor and acts of charity would have had to be extraordinary and heroic for her soul to have any chance, she would have to be such a model of charity that she could squeeze through the eye of a needle .
tx, she’s happily buying her way through heaven and dating the fairest angel Gabriel, whom am sure will marry her to inherit her wealth, and they will take over heaven and run like how they run earth, and this time she won’t die😂😂😂
She was reincarnated as New York subway rat
Mrs Astor and Alva Vanderbilt are probably rounding each other up in a never ending verbal fight in hell...
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She was a snob……these people should simply feel fortunate,not privileged
Schopenhauer wont's said: with the poor are limited. With here time and resources, it's the duty of the rich. To cultivate themselves with in there idol time.
Shades of HBO's " The Gilded Age"; in one episode a robber baron bought out a Ladies Charity sale because his wife was slighted by the Old Moneyed ladies...
Mrs Astor never dumped her drama or problems. I respect that. She fought a good fight unfortunately was resistant to change. She was tough because it was evident in a msle dominated society she had ro be.
You should do a video on Vincent Astor, Mrs. Astor's grandson. He was also a cousin to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, whiose half brother married an Astor.
Thanks! We will definitely add him to our list!
She was really silly as new money will always become the old money , and she would have become even more the matriarch of the old money ❤ lyn from England ❤❤❤
Gonna need at least 2 videos a week 😂❤ Pronto!
Ok, I don't know what Time-Traveling Shenanigans is involved here, but the gentleman on the right at 11:40 is a dead ringer for Nathan Lane.
It is Nathan Lane (from HBO’s The Gilded Age).
My mom always said there was nothing worse than new money as evidenced by my sister in law :)
Nouveau riche! It’s what the Hollywood elite are, they never penetrate the aristocratic circles, they mix with the modern day money, normally ‘here today, gone tomorrow’!
*in whisper* can u tell us about ur sis in law? And wats the deal with “new money” exactly? Is it a lack of good taste! Why does the past matter so much in this situation? How can u tell?
She was pretty, but a narcissist. Andrew Carnegie left no money to his decendants. Carnegie saw how worthless the aristrocrats were, and didn't want that for his kids. Moral of the story, make your kids go to regular school, do not hand your kids jobs. Teach your children to survive on their own. She could have used her money for good, as Andrew Carnegie did. She could have championed education for girls.
We love Andrew Carnegie!
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Ah, the man who gifted nearly every library to every major city / town across America ! Lovely Man ! Even though the library where I live expanded to a much larger building years ago, the old one is now full of law offices and resources. His
name is like it must have been when the building was placed there so long ago. Not weathered or showing any traces of time !
Now granted I’m not a millionaire but I feel like there’s a happy medium. I would leave my kids enough money to help them build up their career or take it to another level, but I wouldn’t leave them enough money that they wouldn’t have to work again.
@@adasteia6667he didn't do it out of complete altruism though
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Wow, this would be a fabulous discussion that would most likely run into several tangents and become more and more delightful because the nature of altruism does encompass a broad range !
But at the moment stating the obvious about the general virtue of altruistic endeavors will have to do.
I think it is nearly impossible for people to be completely altruistic when they engage in philanthropy,
The human ego still wants even a small amount of recognition. Carnegie placed his name on every building he donated so no, he was not completely altruistic. I wonder if he ever pared it down further and realized that it was God who utilized him to be charitable with what God provided him ?! Thank you ! This was wonderful to contemplate !
God bless !
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Just found this channel love it!
Welcome aboard!
Such an inverted snob. Just for 2- 3 days it would interesting to live in that milieu.
why does she sound like Blair Waldorf from Gossip Girl ???
Money is money new or old.
Wonderful.
Thank you!
Thank you too!
Delightful video!
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
In the end, we all go into the same ground, and with luck, the same heaven where her money and fancy-schmancyness doesn't mean a thing to anyone. 😆
It was a male dominated society I respect Mrs Astor for her determination. If you choose to dislike her, it's a choice.
Our symphony hall here in Nashville is named for her mom’s family. Went to a wedding there this summer. It was fabulous! I’ve been a few times to the symphony there, but never a wedding. It was quite the event ❤
So glad to know High Society in NYC became irrelevant 30 years ago.
True, but still gets clicks on YT. 😁
I grew up reading about it in the papers. Blaine Trump, Ivana Trump, Mercedes Bass, Anne Bass, Nancy Kissenger...I was surprised to see they all disappeared and were replaced by no one. The world finally changed ...and for the better!
I know! And it's so cringe when I see some publications that are still trying to make NY high-society happen. It's just so extremely provincial especially for a city expected to be so cosmopolitan.
@@SweetJeopardy it will never come back. People want to see personalities with achievements, talent, humor. No longer interested in people solely because they are rich.
I lived in both hoyt schermerhorn and at van Cortland Park .
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Don't need to hear any stories about this snobby woman. She should have been ashamed of herself and her snobbiness. That's the way society behaved in those days. She didn't know what humility was. Thumbs down to her.😠
She had tea parties for people that were not even there.Strawberry tea😅😅😅
She divorced her husband after he was parading his girlfriend in public and humiliated her. Kinda feel sorry for old gal
Eccentricities of wealth and power. "Security is mortals chief's enemy".
William Waldorf Astor, as in the Waldorf Astoria hotel? Very interesting!
Behind every great fortune lies a great crime.
Honore de Balzac
Carrie Astor finally met her match in Mrs. Alva Vanderbilt whose daughter Consuelo would marry a Duke in England-One of those dollars for titles matches!
So Very Sad And Evil Are The Class Systems Globally.They Cause Such Torment, Suffering And Death.This Truly Is The Fallen World ! 🌎
🌍 Jesus Taught Us That We Are All Equal And Unconditionally Loved ! Every Day Is A New Day To Do Better. Although Unfortunately Money Is Needed Here, I Think It Is The Least Of God"s Concerns, If Even At All !
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You would agree that the majority of people in this “class systems”, enjoy sharing their wealth to the needed and you would find that these charities aren’t set up by corporations only. Most of them are from wealthy philanthropists.
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I do a thorough check
to any charity I donate to !
Do you think we can do enough for all who are in need either by a wealthy cooperation or philanthropist ?!
Of course not !
These today are the people of WEF. People with money that no one elected or consulted that are determined to control the world. No global system is a perfect fit for that many people.
Oh do shut up!
Wait. It's only gonna get worse. We're currently heading into a 2 tier class system. Hence why the elite are ridding the world, especially the western world, of the middle class through wealth & land transfers.
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Lol! The OG of Karens!
@@schmancy2978 The OG.. That's what I came to say too!😂😂
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Literally!!
Ah so we have THE Mrs Astor to thank for the Astor's coming to England and all they did to bring Hever Castle back to what it is today!
Ahh ok. When I was a kid & being a Pain my mamaw would say something like ..” well Then Miss Astor..” Now it makes sense!!😂✌️
I keep hearing 'Miss Disaster'. And maybe she was.
She was a Karen . Before Karen became popular. Money is money than me. Old money new money. Spinach just the same.
Born on my birthday ❤
Mrs Astor was beautiful
She reminds me of my Aunt Margie
Smoke and mirrors as everyone eventually dies
Mr Schmancy: I love your videos. Mrs Astor did not invent Society in NYC; she took the mantle from a predecessor in her family (another Schermerhorn) and enlarged and refined it further.
Well now she's the gate keeper of HELL.
Lena Astor came from Dutch Colonian NY wealthy families bonified and highly educated her pedigree precedes itself she played hardball played it well. She was strict because she had to be.
Smart, bored women....sounds like a bleak existence
Misdirected "smartness"...sadly?!
Sounds like the parking lot at school.
I wish I had that luxury.
Only smart if she made a difference to the world which she did not?? Our world would benefit greatly with the removal of "Me-me' culture and all that it stands for?!
@@garyhowtobluetoothjblheadp3583Exactly, these super rich people only helped themselves and if they did leave anything to " charity " , it was the Arts, music , museums, literary blah blah, basically keeping the money amongst their own kind and interests, the poor and starving got zero.
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...So..Is it Cream comes up to the top, or Scum? It’s good to have some, and no one wants to be poor (which always has a crap 💩 emoji, Balance and contentment feels more comfortable. No rich race, and not struggling so bad even if one works hard. Working is a gift, but some are cut so low it’s hard to even keep jobs due to competition. Sometimes it’s relief when someone poor gets help to continue on to pursue to more progress. Too overly wealthy can become burdensome.Contentment is balanced.😁
I worked inside that house for 1 summer
Though her house was demolished in 1926.
Her summer home in Newport R.I is still there today.Larry ellison now owns it
I had read that the feud between Caroline and William Waldorf's wife came to a head when the mailman delivered mail addressed simply to THE Mrs. Astor with no street address, to William Waldorf's wife by mistake.
She acted like she came from the royal family... not even the royal family would act like this!
Queen Elizabeth's mother was kind of like this.
All American old money families were mostly European peasants before.
Projecting insecurities on the people by gate keeping and creating small circles
She was unhinged, literally mad by the end
Well, that was a 12 minute one of the thinest bios I've had the chance to waste time on.
The narrator is one of these newfangled AI bots reading from a script.
Was she the Mom of Mr. Astor who perished on the Titanic??
Yes she was. Though he perished after her death.
2:00 Weren’t the Livingston family in Eleanor Roosevelt’s mother’s lineage? Or was it Ludlow?
Both.
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I love that it’s the Vanderbilts who took her down. Real Housewives of New York indeed!
I see why her husband had a girlfriend
Mrs Astor was most likely right on what was proper there is nothing wrong with her being rigid. Not sure why she detested individuals from railroad money. Mrs Astor was a contender not to be dismissed.
Yes, nothing but "Smoke and mirrors".
With Old Money comes gravitas; unfortunately, it also breeds contempt for "inferiors."
New Money brings rash neophytes, equally pompous -- but only in their pursuit of acceptance into the tribe.
Old money, New money -- both susceptible to the serpent's lies: There is only the here and now, live for pleasure and let the world be damned.
Which Astor was on the Titanic?
John J. Astor IV
@@schmancy2978 wasn't he THE MRS ASTORS son?
new money or old money the chicken or the nest egg 😂
It actually has little to do with money. Several Branches of my mothers family were 'Old Money" and with the Old Elite what matters is Breeding/DNA/Lineage and the manners that brings and taste. "Old Money" as you put it are obsessed with bloodlines rather than Money per say ,money is good but its Lineage and bloodlines that matter to them more than anything. And new money no matter how rich have no history that can be documented so that is why they are often despised but tolerated by the Old guard. The way it works with the Knickerbocker elite Yes they are still around as well as the new is that any families even if they are of embarrassed circumstances are connected to by blood or marriage to old European nobility or royalty are superior socially after that comes the old prominent Colonial families and at the bottom of the barrel to be avoided at all costs are the new money AKA New families with no background. The truth is the European aristocracy have always belved they were essentially a different breed from the rest of the human race apart of and above ordinary men and women.......Aliens essentially . To mix there dna with ODINARYs would Taint there DNA. The Bloodlines must be maintained at all costs and new money despite there wealth were looked down on for that reason. Many old money families gave in due to financial reasons those that did not are essentially poor average people Like my mothers family today. Was Mrs. Aster Justified in her attempts to keep new Money out.....................Yes I think so. But was she fully justified in her snobbery and all her dealings NO She herself was married to a man who at the time was New money but not those 'Disruptive" railroad or steel tycoons. The asters were mainly in fur and luxury and banking. But still I felt she had no room to be as judgy herself Being she herself was married to new money but as I said before her attempts to fight the flow of new money was Justified in my mind.
That was very informative. Thank you.
Anit saying she a gold digger 😅 , oh i probably would have been one of her servers😮
this might come off wrong, but im genuinely not sure if the narrators voice is real or an AI or bot script reader? lol Love the videos but keep hearing like, mechanical tinny type wavering in some words or phrases.. am i crazy? lol
Why thank you. We take pride in our AI heritage. 😁😁😁
@@schmancy2978 may I ask why you've chosen this method for the channel?
Was a bit thrown off by the AI pronunciation of "Marquis" (mar-kwiss not mar-key). 🤨
So she just built her own gilded cage. Reminds me very much of British royalty. Sitting like stones, can't show emotion, having to maintain these ridiculous antiquated rules of bowing and order and keeping up appearances. They too are trying very hard to maintain their high status, but as they try hard to keep the walls high, the cracks are starting to show and the people are peering in.
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So, why wasn’t she allowed to be called Mrs. Astor? Why was that considered a title? I’m missing something…
In case you're still interested in the topic you asked about three weeks ago...her husband was a younger son, and 19th century Americans were fairly feudal in how they regarded family structures. So when her husband's older brother died, his son should, by tradition, have been regarded as the head of the family, and HIS wife should have been allowed to be simply "Mrs Astor". As a member of a "younger" branch of the family, Caroline should still, again by tradition, have gone by "Mrs William Backhouse Astor".
Did this woman have any children of her own ?
Yes, 5.
New money - olde money. Money is money, tho honestly and respectfully got is preferable. And, how did those Dutch patroons get theirs and keep it? Same as the Yankees - work (blue collar to white collar) and brains. Things haven't changed. People don't know their history (or do and cover it up).
She has feuded with her brother-in-law & his wife which force them to move to England.
She invented the 400 Club.
She and Alva Vanderbilt start a friend-enemy rival between them.
She kind of changed of heart about new money after turning away from them.
She hated scandal in both public and private life.
I think I agree with Mrs. Astor. Old money is better than new money. New money has to pay they're dues.
And where is her $ now?
By todays standards, it's ridiculous. When I watched this I thought of a couple of things; Jr. High School and another wannabe elitist who is again being indicted for the 3rd or 4th time? The desperate need to be accepted as elite. It's playground stuff..."I'm better than you, so you have to do what I say"
Agreed. It reveals a lot. Insecurity is at the top of the list.
Yes, I am "nouveau riche," but then, it's the "riche" that counts, now isn't it? Jim Williams : Sport, truth, like art, is in the eye of the beholder. You believe what you choose and I'll believe what I know…….
She wanted to maintain something special, not watered down. She wanted to keep the circle small. She wanted glory and a her wealth and prestige continue to grow. She loved her world so much and saw immense quality of life within it. She knew how people think. I admire her. I hope she allowed someone to love her 😢
Are we suppose to feel guilty about being born into such families
Um. Nobody cares actually. Most of you are quite irrelevant and pretty unimpressive without money.
Her corset was waaaay too tight.
In the end when we die we can't take it the money with us.
Too bad she didn't use her wealth to help others in need.
It's a waste.
No sympathy here .
This is dreadful, full of colloquiums.
She did not age well did she
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She sounds super woke. 😅
The old woman would be horrified by what her New York City has become tired, old, dirty, and corrupted with crime.
So sad to see a great city being destroyed. My grandparent’s subway stop was the Hoyt/ Schermerhorn, it was not the greatest years ago, probably worse today 😂
@@rncine its a horrible area. Lots of crime.
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