Harry Baals & Dick Trickle: The Funniest Names in History

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    In which John discusses the funniest and most unfortunate names in history, including race car driver Dick Trickle, philanthropist Ima Hogg, composer Chris P. Bacon, singer Shanda Lear, former Fort Wayne mayor Harry Baals, and inventor Hymen Lipman.
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  • @tomharris195
    @tomharris195 Před 10 lety +125

    My mom had a friend called Crystal Elizabeth, who used to go by Crystal Beth.

  • @monicamoon9785
    @monicamoon9785 Před 8 lety +75

    i saw this on tumblr so it's probably already well known but this guy's doctor's name was Son Dang and the prescription would read: Dang, Son. LOL

  • @debbydoxey6463
    @debbydoxey6463 Před 9 lety +74

    In the 1970s I read the marriage announcement of Miss Truly Gold (how cool is that?) to a man whose last name was Boring-and she changed her name. Now that's true love.

  • @matthewluck9077
    @matthewluck9077 Před 8 lety +83

    Harry baals' wife's name was Minnie baals

    • @EtrielDevyt
      @EtrielDevyt Před 7 lety

      Matthew Luck which was a type of ammunition in the civil war. They had dimples on the back that would expand and hug the rifling in a barrel

  • @KishoreShenoy1994
    @KishoreShenoy1994 Před 7 lety +52

    A Danish comedienne (Sandi Toksvig) was fitted for life jackets by a man called Will Drown.

  • @profisnuts
    @profisnuts Před 10 lety +28

    My great-grandmother's name was Ima. Her sister's name was Eurah. Their last name? Mann.

  • @mysterioace2544
    @mysterioace2544 Před 10 lety +62

    In Finland there is a law of some sort that prevents most names that would cause trouble, like the Finnish classic Miina (feminine name) Kenttä, which translates to "Mine Field". However, we have some rather troubling first names like Kalja (beer in English), which especially amongst children can create comical situations, like a child asking their parents "Voinko mennä Kaljalle?" which means both "Can I go to my friend Kaljas place?" as well as "Can I go have a beer?".

    • @yaumelepire6310
      @yaumelepire6310 Před 7 lety +8

      mysterioACE,
      1: What a beautiful language you have, sincerely.
      2: I am literally laughing myself to death right now.
      3: I'm lucky because my native language doesn't have many instances of this or that kind of mishaps.

    • @agustinvenegas5238
      @agustinvenegas5238 Před 7 lety +3

      mysterioACE well, a as a finnish teen or must be really useful having a friend named Kalja

  • @ArtisticRootBeer
    @ArtisticRootBeer Před 8 lety +57

    My sister aspires to be a writer in the near future, and her name is Paige Wright. I always found that ironic.

    • @daydodog
      @daydodog Před 8 lety +19

      that's not irony...

    • @Tylerthety
      @Tylerthety Před 6 lety

      What would be the word for that? I've been wondering for several months.

    • @minellesnay5366
      @minellesnay5366 Před 5 lety +6

      Technically, there's "literary irony" and "colloquial irony". Most people who say "that's not what irony means" are only using half the definition, and so needlessly limiting themselves. In this case, it fits the colloquial definition of irony, so who cares?

  • @klhutchinson
    @klhutchinson Před 10 lety +44

    My high school English teacher (before switching professions apparently) processed medical records at a hospital for two older women who were sisters (possibly twins). Their names were Ima Hogg and Ura Hogg. I knew a medical doctor named Barrett Dick and his father's name was Harry Dick.

    • @ScrutesMaGlutes
      @ScrutesMaGlutes Před 10 lety +28

      ok you have way to much experience on the subject

  • @stormbushong395
    @stormbushong395 Před 7 lety +112

    What if Chris P. Bacon was vegetarian?

  • @margarettaylor2057
    @margarettaylor2057 Před 9 lety +9

    My sister taught a boy whose name was Richard Head - but that wasn't what the other students called him.

  • @kimohearn3087
    @kimohearn3087 Před 10 lety +7

    I am a teacher and have been using the book "The Golden Rule" as my first day of school book for years. It is the framework for how we build our classroom agreements. I have recently have discovered you and Hank and nerdfighteria. I love that you have this connection to this book that has helped to make my classroom a peaceful place year after year.

  • @CraftnMomma
    @CraftnMomma Před 9 lety +51

    Every day I'm grateful my last name isn't webber or webb, lol

  • @SexiestPenguin
    @SexiestPenguin Před 9 lety +24

    I used to work as a clerk in a pharmacy, and I discovered LOTS of people who were given first names that matched their last names. John Johnson. Richard Richards. Steve Stevens. That sort of thing. Apparently, many parents want their child to sound like a Marvel Comics character.

    • @frog4328
      @frog4328 Před 6 lety +2

      i know someone named Morgan Moore

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 Před 3 lety +2

      I know two guys, one called Martin Thomas (a former colleague of mine) and one called Thomas Martin (a TV cook in Germany). The former I once jokingly asked why his parents didn't call him Thomas Thomas instead. He said that, by law, it must be clear which is the surname and which is the given name. But as far as I understand this law should have forced them to call him Thomas Thomas, because only then would have been clear that his surname is Thomas while is given name is Thomas. As it stands now it's totally up for anyone's guess, like the existence of Thomas Martin proves.

    • @jon1913
      @jon1913 Před 2 lety

      There is a man in my city named Bubba Bubba Bubba.

    • @justinatherpointofview7386
      @justinatherpointofview7386 Před 2 lety

      I know a David Davis.

  • @AnotherWhovian
    @AnotherWhovian Před 10 lety +19

    My friends know triplets called: Ogomwau, Ogothchi, and…..Dave.

  • @sqronce
    @sqronce Před 8 lety +24

    Chris P. Bacon is an amazing name. I would love to be named that! On the topic of bad names, there's that olympic gold medalist named Misty Hyman.

  • @savfurniss8408
    @savfurniss8408 Před 9 lety +9

    I live in Fort Wayne, and while the Harry Baals situation was going on I got someone an I love Harry Baals shirt for Christmas. It was hilarious!

  • @stephanieb.g.912
    @stephanieb.g.912 Před 10 lety +12

    Ok. I know this video is ancient in internet terms, but I couldn't resist commenting. The worst name I've ever heard belongs to some relation of my grandmother's. Dorcus Cockaday.

  • @AuthorDylan
    @AuthorDylan Před 10 lety +29

    SomebOdy at my church named their son Luke Sky Walker.

    • @CleopatraKing
      @CleopatraKing Před 3 lety

      I wonder what they think of the new trilogy...

  • @garrettcoggin1663
    @garrettcoggin1663 Před 8 lety +74

    My dentist is named Dick Moist

  • @Featureman
    @Featureman Před 11 lety +3

    Before Bobby Darin had a hit with Mack the Knife, there were two instrumental hits of the song. The title of the instrumental is Moritat. The two guys who had the hits had very similar names. One was Dick Hyman and the other was Richard Hayman. Also known as Theme from Three Penny Opera.

  • @jonahwolf3252
    @jonahwolf3252 Před 8 lety +8

    My Great Grandfather was named Hymen Pleasure.

  • @jyjryu22799
    @jyjryu22799 Před 10 lety +9

    yeah that "dedication" is the title page. :)

  • @JonesIantoJones
    @JonesIantoJones Před 13 lety +1

    As a Fort Wayne Nerdfighter, I am so incredibly honored that Harry Baals made your list. :D

  • @DaltonHBrown
    @DaltonHBrown Před 10 lety +9

    One father named his first son Winner and the other son Loser. Winner went on to become a convict and Lou (as he later became called) went on to be a CEO of a large business.

    • @volz519
      @volz519 Před 9 lety +2

      Dalton Brown The name Luzer (pronounced loser) is unfortunately common among Hasidic Jews. It's a nickname for Eliezer.

  • @fearthegeeklord
    @fearthegeeklord Před 8 lety +10

    My dad was at school with a guy called Sandy Janus (pronounced "Yay-nus").

  • @kkaree1234
    @kkaree1234 Před 8 lety +8

    A guy i went to school was named russell clapper so everyone called him rusty clapper. I also knew a girl named april ann may.

  • @WordsFromTheWinds
    @WordsFromTheWinds Před 11 lety +1

    I actually know Chris P. Bacon we were in Marching band together and he was one of the soloist, he was actually remarkably talented, I was floored when I saw his name on a movie score. Such a small world is Nerdfighteria!

  • @AnupapayaPoopy
    @AnupapayaPoopy Před 9 lety +20

    Shanda Leer is a member of SWING bands?? Aah all the puns...

  • @emmafulton116
    @emmafulton116 Před 8 lety +4

    my favorite was always Tara Dactyl... that poor child

  • @DesignFXGio
    @DesignFXGio Před 11 lety +2

    "Harry Sack" was a British kid in my College class a few years back. Laughed everytime Roll was called.

  • @malloryk5237
    @malloryk5237 Před 9 lety +9

    After this video I immediately looked up unfortunate names and these were my favorite: a girl named Filet Minyon, an official named Tiny Cox (i know.. lame), Diana Dbag, (a couple married) McDonald- Berger, a Dr.Joelle Rollo-Koster, Gowen Geter (helps to say it outloud), Dyl Pickle, Tyrannosaurus Rex Mullens, Lord Brain, Moe Lester, ..... and a sex offended named Mister Love (erg).

    • @skullsandcottoncandy9155
      @skullsandcottoncandy9155 Před 9 lety +2

      Let's not forget the name of the character from rugrats, Dill Pickles. Poor kid...

    • @GrantWitherspoon
      @GrantWitherspoon Před 9 lety +1

      mallory kunkler My friend keeps talking about her friend on her soccer team that says she knows someone named "Polly Esther Fiber" and I don't believe that person exists.

  • @UnordinaryTalent
    @UnordinaryTalent Před 10 lety +16

    There was a girl at my primary school named Sky Walker. Whether or not it was intentional, I'm not sure.

  • @xIbaX
    @xIbaX Před 13 lety

    I have watched this video at least 6 times everyday since John posted it. It makes my day better every single time.

  • @molly567891
    @molly567891 Před 10 lety +6

    I know a Divine and Precious Earth. They are twins.

  • @AmyElise3
    @AmyElise3 Před 10 lety +12

    My boyfriend's middle name is Richard (Dick) and his last name is Payne. Dick Payne.

  • @sidefish8362
    @sidefish8362 Před 8 lety +6

    I once met a guy whose name was Dick Wash. Worse still, he worked as a schoolteacher.

  • @lkmcd98
    @lkmcd98 Před 11 lety

    the dedication is the little box in the bottom right corner. they fit all the characters into the corner

  • @LazyPantsAdventures
    @LazyPantsAdventures Před 7 lety +6

    don't forget Ima Hogg's sister Ura Hogg. Poor girls

  • @danielmorrison2376
    @danielmorrison2376 Před 7 lety +5

    My dad used to work with someone called Richard Ryder.

  • @MikaeliStanton
    @MikaeliStanton Před 10 lety +4

    My grandmothers maiden name was Beverly Hills.

  • @oregano124
    @oregano124 Před 10 lety +3

    I live in Fort Wayne. And i don't know if you already know this but Harry Baals wife's name was Minnie Baals.

  • @katienewby5628
    @katienewby5628 Před 10 lety

    I live in Fort Wayne and I can confirm that they did in fact name a building after Harry Baals.Even on some radio stations they say "recording live from the Harry Baals Memorial Studio." It is the funniest thing in the world to hear.

  • @themianerd6659
    @themianerd6659 Před 10 lety +9

    I, for one, would be proud if my name was "chris p bacon"

  • @hash_slingingslasher8050
    @hash_slingingslasher8050 Před 8 lety +22

    What about Dr. Whet Faartz?

  • @DanThePropMan
    @DanThePropMan Před 13 lety

    This never gets old.

  • @DerrWereturd
    @DerrWereturd Před 10 lety +5

    One of my bosses in radio was named Neil Donahue, but he went by Neil Downe. Not to be funnier he said he just thought it was catchier. Another local Dj went by Miles Long. His name was intended as a joke.

    • @DerrWereturd
      @DerrWereturd Před 10 lety +2

      Also had a Rich Allen whose real name was Richard Semmen. All true.

  • @annebolynzarsilve
    @annebolynzarsilve Před 9 lety +7

    We had a high school psychology teacher named Miss Cummer. Yeah. I always wondered why she thought a name like that would go well in a place filled with teenagers...

    • @gds9839
      @gds9839 Před 5 lety

      You had psychology in high school? That's awesome!

  • @junebugj75
    @junebugj75 Před 9 lety

    My home town (which is like 2 hours from you JOhn) finally made it on a vlog brothers video!! Haary Baals and Bree Olsen......yay Fort Wayne!

  • @skullsandcottoncandy9155
    @skullsandcottoncandy9155 Před 9 lety +2

    You know, I'm feeling a lot better about my mom naming me Jennifer.

  • @philipripper1522
    @philipripper1522 Před 10 lety +4

    Professor of statistics at my college went by Dick Seyman.

    • @philipripper1522
      @philipripper1522 Před 10 lety +50

      I asked him "Why not Richard?" and he said "Might as well embrace it."

  • @KSA-xl5zk
    @KSA-xl5zk Před 7 lety +5

    My name literally means "ivory" in Korean.
    I am Korean.
    My parents are Korean.
    I have a sneaking suspicion that they did it intentionally.

  • @Drachen596
    @Drachen596 Před 12 lety

    just an FYI the building we here in Fort Wayne voted to be called the HW Baals Center is now called Citizens Square. which sounds vaguely like a place you'd find back in the old USSR.

  • @Water4Jeremiah
    @Water4Jeremiah Před 13 lety

    Just to let you know, Dick Trickle really did live an amazing life. He has been through some difficult times in his life, but he earned every win he did in NASCAR. An amazing man and I'll remember him until I die.
    He was 8 when he broke his hip and he couldn't walk, the doctors even gave up on him and believed he would be an invalid for the rest of his life. But he fought through all of it and became a successful NASCAR driver. He never won a NASCAR event, but he still accomplished a lot.

  • @Tsukunea
    @Tsukunea Před 10 lety +5

    Chanda Lear isn't that bad, I know someone named Crystal (First Name) Chanda (Middle Name) Lier (Last Name); Crystal Chanda Lier

  • @BrandonTschetter
    @BrandonTschetter Před 9 lety +7

    How in the world is Chris P. Bacon an unfortunate name? It's funny, but not unfortunate.

  • @deekshas3936
    @deekshas3936 Před 4 lety

    John is so excited in this video!!

  • @AaronBurwell19
    @AaronBurwell19 Před 13 lety

    One of the most awesome videos ever!

  • @RumorHasItt
    @RumorHasItt Před 10 lety +3

    My name is Coryne. It's a struggle.

  • @erical1808
    @erical1808 Před 10 lety +2

    Chris Colombus directed HP and the Philosopher's Stone, HP and the Chamber of secrets, and PJO: The Lightning thief. Don't know what his parents were thinking.

    • @truboo4268
      @truboo4268 Před 9 lety

      Abby Johnson Well, they probably weren't thinking he'd form a company literally named 1492 Films.

  • @brianpaton
    @brianpaton Před 12 lety

    I went to elementary school with a girl named Rocken Anna Roll. She left school in the middle of 5th grade to have a tumor surgically removed from inside her skull. The surgery went great and she was back at school starting the following August.

  • @ProdigiousHdawg
    @ProdigiousHdawg Před 12 lety +1

    My mom knew someone in high school named Candy Kane. I think she might have also been a hospital volunteer, and that was back when they made them wear those red and white striped uniforms...

  • @IlnousaimeleMonsieur
    @IlnousaimeleMonsieur Před 12 lety

    John's voice when he said "Hymen Lipman" was the best xD

  • @malofa99
    @malofa99 Před 12 lety

    THE MUSIC FOR I AM LEGEND WAS COMPOSED BY CHRIS P. BACON!?
    THAT'S FREAKIN' AMAZING!

  • @kinajiko
    @kinajiko Před 11 lety

    When I was younger, I would go to camp where all the cabins were named after famous Texans. Mine, the youngest cabin in the compound, was "Ima Hogg" cabin.

  • @leumasecir9369
    @leumasecir9369 Před 8 lety

    Right before this video I saw an ad for Emerson with Hank singing something about loving science.

  • @planetdo0m
    @planetdo0m Před 12 lety

    At my high school there was a coach named Matt Boob (he went through the Marines with that name). He always used to say he should have named his kids Harry and Ophelia.

  • @rbb9753
    @rbb9753 Před 4 lety

    I knew someone in high school named Barbara Moss. And yes, her brother was Pete.
    In ‘67; two days before I was born, my dad found out his best friend had been killed in Vietnam. So instead of Ray (my grandfather’s name), I was christened ‘Richard Burton’.

  • @johndoe-nt
    @johndoe-nt Před 3 lety

    Harry Baals being a mayor seems like the inspiration for Jerry/Larry/Terry/Garry Gergich.

  • @ThatDerpyDude
    @ThatDerpyDude Před 11 lety

    I actually live in Fort Wayne and not many people actually heard of Harry Baals till it was all over the news. Probably because it was in the 30's. Regardless to say people must have loved having Harry Baals around. He was mayor twice.

  • @bgphantom3
    @bgphantom3 Před 12 lety

    I just love the Shanda Leer plays in swing bands.

  • @kelseybisset88
    @kelseybisset88 Před 11 měsíci

    I did a scrapbook history project on Ima Hog when I was in elementary school

  • @LamanKnight
    @LamanKnight Před 12 lety

    Cris P. Bacon (without an "h," I'm pretty sure) was the name of a minor character on Banjo-Tooie. He was, fittingly, a pig.
    He was great, too! He took pictures of painting in Atlantis, using a GameBoy camera while a bear and bird shot eggs at fish with sharp teeth.
    Ah, good times. :)

  • @lampposteffect
    @lampposteffect Před 13 lety

    The thumbnail of this video is the main reason I keep watching it.

  • @dutchweeks1
    @dutchweeks1 Před 11 lety

    Also, I used to know a Benjamin Dover and my buddy worked with a guy named Harry Topless. Benjamin went by Ben, and Harry ALWAYS introduced himself with his full name.

  • @davidglenn9032
    @davidglenn9032 Před rokem

    there are soo many times I giggled while in the process of watching this video 😂

  • @Velociter
    @Velociter Před 8 lety

    I'm so glad I'm moving to Fort Wayne to attend college. Go Harry Baals!

  • @mikemorr100
    @mikemorr100 Před 12 lety

    what i lived in Fort Wayne for a little while, Harry baals finally makes it on youtube

  • @limabean29
    @limabean29 Před 13 lety

    You are everywhere on the interwebs. I was looking around at lyrics on SongMeanings, and found the following comment on the page with lyrics for Marry Me by St. Vincent: "I interpret this song to be about the fantasies I have about John Green and I. I shall never interfere with his relationship with the yeti, however, so they will remain fantasies." Everywhere.

  • @AGF2014
    @AGF2014 Před 6 lety

    Also, the inventor of the par can (theatre lighting instrument), was named Chip Munk.

  • @Lutehammer
    @Lutehammer Před 11 lety

    I remember going to Ima Hogg's home with my sister and trying SO hard to be respectful... mostly because we were terrified of the sweet old ladies who curated the estate because they were Dead. Serious. about respecting her. After the first grown man was given a dressing down in the tour for his giggles we knew we had to keep straight faces or suffer their wrath...

  • @ourpensareourlips
    @ourpensareourlips Před 12 lety

    I went to school with a family of five kids; a set of triplets, their sister and younger brother.
    Kelsey, Kirsten, Kendall, Kaitlyn, and Nic.

  • @superbubbleaquapower
    @superbubbleaquapower Před 13 lety

    "Also to reiterate his name is Chris P. Bacon." Just rub it in, John. XD

  • @mcj88
    @mcj88 Před 6 lety

    "Fort Wayne newscaster Bob Chase, of WOWO-AM, relates a story that he once pronounced the mayor's name 'Bales.' Mayor Baals personally called him following the broadcast to correct his pronunciation, saying, 'son, this is your Mayor. I pronounce my name 'Balls'.'" -Wikipedia
    To me this is the best thing about Mayor Harry Baals: he knew _exactly_ what his name sounded like, and he just didn't care. I'd be willing to bet he got picked on a lot as a kid, he'd probably heard every single joke one could come up with about it, and by the time he became an adult he'd learned to just own it and even be proud of it. That's almost inspiring, I'd say, to anyone with a similarly-unfortunate name.

  • @fruitcake4ever
    @fruitcake4ever Před 12 lety

    Ahh, yes Dick Trickle...My family never watches NASCAR, but the one time that we were watching it for some reason we saw that name. You can be sure that we were all on the floor laughing our brains out!

  • @sarahbyington2440
    @sarahbyington2440 Před 10 lety

    I had a math teacher named Harry Balls. Mr. and Mrs. Balls were both teachers in my high school. Yes, every joke you can think of, was said.

  • @TheChristianFairy
    @TheChristianFairy Před 6 lety

    At my church there is a Deacon whose last name is Grimm. I always wonder what he thinks when he's called on to assist at funerals. Deacon Grimm understandably helps out with the youth and doesn't really seem to care for weddings or funerals.

  • @marionkresslein6985
    @marionkresslein6985 Před 7 lety +1

    Two ridiculous names I have come across in my profession: Turki Alsulami (maybe the best name actually), Moiz Butt (a kid my sister was in band with) and finally, Karess Hyman.

  • @MusicalPlayground717
    @MusicalPlayground717 Před 12 lety

    Don't forget Dick Hyman, noted jazz pianist and arranger, who arranged most (if not all - I don't feel like looking it up) of Woody Allen's movie soundtracks. Dick Hyman. What fun he must have had in elementary school.

  • @dashric
    @dashric Před 11 lety

    There is a composer named Jaques Offenbach. its tickled me since I was a pre teen

  • @LifeofMarie267
    @LifeofMarie267 Před 7 lety +1

    Here's one for you: Larry Brilliant. He is a doctor in Pennsylvania. So basically he is Dr. Brilliant. Okay, maybe it's not the funniest name in history but it makes you think "This man has a lot to live up to." Also, aren't we forgetting Thomas Crapper who invented the...wait for it...toilet? Now there's irony.

  • @Kasterkk
    @Kasterkk Před 2 lety

    "I love my Harry Baals"
    -His slogan

  • @grovertigo
    @grovertigo Před 11 lety

    chris p bacon was always my favorite name. I'm glad me and John green have similar taste in names.

  • @NarglesExist
    @NarglesExist Před 12 lety

    I read of a Fanny Beaver in my local obituaries a few months ago.

  • @Mischkamonster
    @Mischkamonster Před 10 lety

    My mum had a student called Chris P. Buns and he always introduced himself that way.

  • @JohnCenaFan406
    @JohnCenaFan406 Před 11 lety

    there was a couple that named their baby girl Marijuana Pepsi, because they liked both of those things so much. She said she got taunted a lot in school, but got use to it and got over it, and is now a councilor at a college. The plaque on the wall outside her office says "Wait here for Marijuana". She said she has gotten students who actually wait there thinking they'll actually be given Marijuana; and no she hasn't changed her name, because she's gotten use to it....

  • @sneezabonk
    @sneezabonk Před 12 lety

    There was a Teacher at a nearby elementary school Dick Weiner Introduced himself to everyone as Richard and the kids as Mr. Weiner (bad enough to have that name as a teacher) but everyone eventually caught on. The kids who had him said jokes about it by calling him Mr. Hotdog. The school staff never said anything (although you could tell) they wanted to. He eventually quit

  • @muddafucca5485
    @muddafucca5485 Před 10 lety +1

    Sharkisha. Nuff said!!

  • @KopfLoaf
    @KopfLoaf Před 13 lety

    Chris P. Bacon!!!! That's amazing!

  • @fefywithaspanishe
    @fefywithaspanishe Před 13 lety

    LOL Shanda Lear always gets me... And Chris P Bacon xDDDDD