Dismantling a Suspected Dishonest Cop
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- DUI Attorney Larry Forman defends a client who was accused of driving under the influence. In this episode, Larry questions a dishonest cop on the stand who eventually admits that he didn't include items he testified to in his report which meant that "they didn't happen". Watch the video all the way through to find out what happens to this cop!
Magoffin County, Kentucky.
January 5, 2022.
Cross Examination: 00:00
Judge: Honorable Dennis B. Prater, Magoffin County District Court Division 2
Defense attorney: Larry Forman, a.k.a. the DUI Guy
Prosecutors: Gregory D. Allen and His First Assistant
Arresting Officer: Michael Haney, Kentucky State Police, Post 9
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Great pace imo. You definitely allowed the jury time to process what you were trying to convey. If it's not written down it didn't happen.
Íí888 no hi no,
That Is the money statement.....He is earning his $500 an hour fee.
Lying cops should be charged and held accountable when found lying under oath.
I love how he puts the police and the system on trial and holds them to the same nitpicking legalistic standards that they hold the public to.
Who do you think lies more often....police or attorneys? The answer is simple.
@@RLTtizME The answer is YES.
@@danmartens8855 You prove the point….. not to be outdone by commenters on You Tube.
@@RLTtizME definitely the dirty attorneys.
@@RLTtizME police, of course
You are absolutely one of the best at this. Prosecutors and police must sweat hard when they see your name on the docket as defense attorney.
How long will it take for the cops to see his name on the docket and decide not to show up for court? 😂
A cop without a body cam in 2021 Is and should be assumed that nothing the cop says should be accepted as truth
And a state trooper. You can't tell me the whole state doesn't have money for cameras.
Was thinking the same thing. And only certain cars have dash cams? Beyond absurd.
@@butch1dc they hate accountability.
@@GrantCelley yea they got it they jus spend it on unnecessary shit like tanks and ELRADS etc....
@@xekimaneru5994 and there you have, defund the police.
It was so awfully nice of you to hold his hand while walking him right onto a BRADY LIST.
True gentleman
While the whole time running from one cop agentence to the next one
So if he’s busted for lying under oath all cases he has testified in should be reviewed
It won't happen since that would make sense and also they don't want their house a cards falling apart
Qualified Immunity ,,,,Nothing happens to Cops,,,,,,
All police officers are quislings for Israel.
because they investigate themselves
A prosecutor wont do it.
Most back the blue line.
If a government employee says the sky is blue, go outside and check. FTP
Ever since debate in high school I greatly appreciate the art of cross examination, there's something oddly satisfying when someone thinks they're winning and one question later realize they just fucked up.
God I wish I would have taken that class. I didn't even understand what the debate club was about back then. Man I was a slow.
@@garettanderson6772 you weren't slow. These cops are slow. I think police should be required to have a 4 year degree and raise their pay.
@@twotymer4458 I think police should be required to not be racist and raise their pay.
@@DreiSkins101 that's stupid....
Haven't you heard? That's already a requirement.
Four year degrees will assure the public you're not dealing with total idiots for the most.
@@twotymer4458 it’s already a requirement to not be racist?🤷🏽♂️
It has always annoyed me that at the roadside, cops think they are doctors/psychologists.
"You are nervous, your eyes are glossy and and you have nystagmus. I also detect signs of deception."
As an actual doctor, thank you for challenging that crap!
Good point. I worked in health care for 18 years in various allied health positions. At no time as a technician was I ever able to diagnose or medically clear a patient.
I was responsible for documenting both subjective and objective observations. I reported my findings to either a nurse or physician (licensed provider).
I do have a Bachelors in Health Science but it does not allow me to make that assessment. I cannot determine if a person is under the influence of a substance or has an acute or chronic health condition.
I know for my own health that I am prone to migraines. If I experience a migraine, my eyes have nystagmus. I had that confirmed by a neurolgist. Flashing lights and bright traffic lights sometimes trigger a migraine. I would not trust a police officer to detect the difference between a migraine or intoxication. My PCP referred me to a neurologist.
I also have Neurofibromatosis type 1. I have problems with balance. I'm sure most lay people don't even know what that is.
As an ICU nurse I have argued this for years. If you want to claim anecdotally or through personal experience your OPINIONS that is one thing. The insinuation though is that LEO's are giving clinically valid, medically based conclusions diagnostically which they have no training or skill set to do.
I have also always had a problem with having them perform nystagmus, horizontal gaze and cerebellar function tests as a non medically trained individual and presenting clinical outcomes of positive or negative findings is complete bullshit.
Masterful how the lawyer pointed out the many ways a person can display irregular eye movements and the cop only knew one. As a layperson, I only knew of two. Plus turning the department's own "If it isn't written, it didn't happen" maxim against him. Very educational!
A lying cop must be charged and booked into jail . This is justice .
There wouldn't be any left on the streets 8f that happened.
And get introduced to cornhole
I CAUGHT COP IN A LIE AND THE JUDGE HAD A FIT.
@@ronniewall1481 Why make a comment like that without elaborating on who the Judge "HAD A FIT" at and for what reason.
@@markbrown8097 That may be true in whatever part of the country your from. I don't completely trust cops myself, but I do know your statement is false.
No accountability and no consequences for 'deliberately perverting the course of justice' through lying and perjury is disgraceful and disgusting
I know prosecutor and judge didn't say a word.
The supreme Court has ruled that police officers can lie to further their investigations or to attain an arrest so perjury is no longer a crime for them either.
@@bobbyhempel1513
That is sad, but this is after the arrest was made.
He should have to tell the truth when testifying under oath.
This is all on the prosecutor for not filing charges.
This is typical (when a person comits perjury for the prosecutor).
@@bobbyhempel1513 police can lie to you but cannot lie under oath in a court of law.
The solo cup testimony seems especially egregious to me. The cop mentions it in his testimony as if it's some mystery piece of evidence of the defendant's guilt yet fails to mention it in his report or collect it as evidence. The system allows cops to simply manufacture evidence on the stand without fear of consequences. If i'm ever on a jury and a cop doesn't have body cam or dash cam footage, that immediately qualifies as reasonable doubt in my mind.
I guess smelling the contents of the alledged cup never crissed his mind? These r room temperature lQs with guns
Not only that, but the cop literally told Larry he could not remember anything that wasn't in his report. And then he adds the flourish of a solo cup that he neglected to put in his report. Which he suddenly remembered, unlike everything else.
@@harlembrown8987 don't think it's even that high probability of below sixty.
Reasonable doubt is when his lips started to move.
Lol.
@@harlembrown8987
That’s a cold room you are talking about right.
Lol.
This is what you get when a high school football player is passed for his/her talent on the field, instead of a real education.
😂😂😂😂😂
The prosecution watches you roast their star witness for dinner, and they had absolutely nothing to come back with. That sits strong with a jury...
The intoxilizer sounds like a machine to get you drunk not to see if you're drunk lol
That's the Intoxicator, a totally different machine.
@@kidroid2317 🤣🤣
LMAO 🤣 🤣 🤣
*Intoxinator* was missing at the party.
Hey, meet me at Bob's Tavern... we're getting Intoxilized tonight!
Lol just like the sign SPEED limit lol
It makes me sick at heart to think of how many innocent people dirty police officers have arrested and jailed it must surely be hundreds of thousands please carry on the good work you are doing
They say a dui Is most effectively a major life changing even both financially reputably with friendsand family and also the ability to do ur time and come out well is a hindrance on your life .... Completely unneccessary from a victimless crime standpoint. The conviction on groos ignorance of the law is fine hower the point of jail and or fines is intended as a sytem to correct ones actions. However if You take ones finances away which is roughly a 50000 offense that is not corrective response that is basically putting You down. I say 50000 using average salary forpeople who need alicense to work and they should have more lenience in the allowances of say the auto start systems /interlocks as well with other penalties you should have the right to sue for dismissal from being fired over this andmany other offenses..
It makes me sick how many drunk drivers are out there that never get caught and endanger 100s of lives each!
If a lawyer asks you a question, they already know the answer to it.
How can someone charged with arresting people on the roadside based on the unscientific results of a quick eye test not know all the common causes of a symptom he’s using as a justification for arrest? Nice job, Larry. You certainly have this area of law under your thumb.
These people are just regular ol blue collar somewhat educated most not that educated so they don’t bother to read and learn more about the job. They just take what little was taught in the academy and make up shit on the way. For most it is just a paycheck and power that attracts them.
Because it is exculpatory
Because they don't want you to fight drunk driving. They want quick easy money for the town state and county(who all get a cut)and for the lawyers. DWI is a multi billion dollar industry in each state. When we allowed them to make DWI an automatic license suspension you could not go out after 10pm without seeing someone swerving the whole with of the road(no exaggeration). When they passed the law they raised level from 0.08 to 0.10 and said you can have 1 drink every 2 hrs and you still might not pass. Which meant you could go out and have 2 beers in to hours and get arrested. That is not what Americans signed up for. A couple years later the national lawyers association "lobbied"(bribed) the government to lower it back to 0.08 so they could make more money.
@@studentforlife714 They are taught how to stretch the law to arrest more people. When you can have 2 beers and get arrested for DWI something is wrong.
"saw no reason to preserve it" in refence to a key piece of evidence, The Red Solo Cup.
BTW
"The Red Solo Cup" sounds like a "hangover" or a "Harold & Kumar" kind of movie, where the plot is some guy's crazy night. lol
I love watching The DUI Guy own cops in a court of law.
I love how he goes and does the same course's as the cop's so during cross examination he know's how to catch them out it's actully a very very clever thing to do and a brilliant tactic that 100% helps him win case's .
“That’s how I do all DUIs…” is telling.
ok
All his cases need to be reinvestigated.
It’s always amazing to see an enforcer of the law in its own house lying to its masters face with literal impunity. Do the math on how many times this has happened over the decades. Wow.
Great memory to testify about all those things not listed on his citation! The solo cup was just a theatrical ploy to trick jurors into a conclusion not based in fact!
Solo cup equals alcohol consumption.
I don't understand how in 2022 they still have this awful of video quality literally anywhere on the planet, much less in an American court system.
Well, I mean what did you expect? The trooper said none of the officers have body cams and only a few cars have dash cams. The council in charge obviously has more important things to invest in than surveillance for the safety of their officers and citizens.
This is Kentucky. Enough said
Looks like an AFV video from 1990
@@danielseelye6005 This is government for you, nuff said.They spend millions on useless crap but can’t spend a a few thousand on a decent camera system.
I honestly thought from the date code showing that it was May 22, 2001. I was listening to the cross for dates to discern when it was taking place...
I find it hard to believe that after all the shit that's happened the past few years that any law enforcement agency who deals with the public on a daily basis wouldn't even have a camera inside their cruiser.
You act as though you believe this has something to do with right and wrong. Or, justice, this is about money, power and control and letting the public know the cops can do anything they want to you.
Believe it brother. There are plenty of small town police departments that are hiding behind the excuse of budgeting to prevent cameras being implemented. Even though they buy new cars and tactical shit they have no idea how to use.
They don't want them !!! In my county in N.Y a private corporation made a blanket offer to buy every law enforcement officer within our county body cameras and pay for the services for x amount of yrs . ....... u wouldn't believe the # of law enforcement agencies that came up with excuses in y they wanted to politely decline the offer.... this is after for years now telling the public that they didn't have cameras because they were " expensive " now we have a new set of excuses.... it only underscores the distrust that's been brewing in law enforcement !!!
It is Kentucky lol
but thats the kentucky state patrol, not some small town.......
"To the best of my knowledge", that says it all.
That county needs to invest in modern cameras for their courtrooms.
Nystagmus of the eyes can also be caused by astigmatism, even with corrective lenses the light entering the eye at different angles can cause the eye to "shiver" and move rapidly. It is also common to people with ADHD/ADD.
Yup. I'm a non-drinker and I can force it to trigger. High anxiety can be a trigger, like when a cop is rousting you on a BS charge.
There is a video of a cop who is explaining details about the field tests and how they recognize the eye test.... and they are even told that based on the angle of the finger (25, 35, 60 angles or else) they may "find out" how much the person may eventually blow... for example if Nystagmus is in the angle 35 or whatever, there is the probability that the person will blow for example 0.3 or whatever. I don't remember exactly. But he does not recommend to people the one-leg stand, because it's not good to test. Maybe you may find the video on youtube. It seems they may confuse even the good cops with such ideas.
@@alaalfa8839 Well Nystagmus isn't a good indicator of intoxication, for the many reasons stated in this video. Fatigue can cause it, specific conditions like ADHD, high blood pressure, migraine, and a host of others can cause it. The angle of the nystagmus doesn't actually indicate anything at all. My nystagmus due to my astigmatism is at an angle equal to the angle of the deformation of my lenses, 39 and 41 degrees respectively.
It's an absurd test that can be used to accuse innocent people, especially now with all of the policing for profit happening.
Or just being tired.
And any form of anxiety.
He talked about walk and turn on an incline and could have really set the trooper down with a “then why would you perform a *balance* test on an incline?”
The fact that officers are trained to look for nystagmus is absurd. They get 2 hours a training and are instantly experts.
What's even more insane in the drug recognition officers who think they are better then a blood test to say if someone is on drugs
I’ve watched about 5 hours of video of cops preforming this cop test so I’m world renowned expert now too. Maybe even interstellar.
I hope they are at least trained that a person can have nystagmus naturally.
This is why it is best to refuse all roadside investigatory testing.
And thats even assuming they sst threw that 2 hr seminar. And didnt simple write their name on an attendance sheet & slacked off elsewhere till it was over. Or didnt decide to sleep through it or something.
The fact that our government buildings have cameras in important places that record in 240p kills me😭😭
I learn so much watching your videos. Thanks for taking the extra time to post them.
Come on, DUI Guy! What was the final outcome? We all watched all of the way through, like you said in the description, and nothing happened at the end. Will you tell us what happened?
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@@MC-hs4mf right
I just sit Though this video, and what the hell is the outcome! This is ridiculous!!
So if the officer lies under oath, what will happen to him? That means he is committing perjury right?
Yep--if it can be proved he deliberately lied.
@Texas Jack I agree with you. So the dui guy just proved that the officer was lying.
Because of that stupid qualified immunity nothing will happen
@@robertbennett2796 Qualified immunity would not protect a cop who perjured himself in court. It only protects a cop who screws up on the streets.
(But qualified immunity should be abolished nevertheless.)
@@ubiased23 Not sure he proved the cop was lying. He did prove the cop testified about evidence not listed in his written report, but it could have just been simple idiocy on the stand and sloppiness in the report. He probably did lie, but the cop would have to be put on trial himself and his lying would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If he testifies "Yeah, I'm just a sloppy idiot with brain fog," it might be enough for reasonable doubt.
I love how they filmed this with grandma's camcorder from '83...
Courts don’t want transparency.
😂😂😂
Is that cop even smart enough to realize how dishonest he is presenting himself? Or are they all just smart enough to know it doesn’t matter in this country?
Brilliant and impactful message to the Jury. You flipped the script with strategy and ease. Excellent presentation, thank you for sharing.
Hey DUI guy! Just found your channel. Loving it so far! It's great watching the corrupt officials being held to the same standards that the Average Joe has to! TGFC! I can't imagine how many people have been falsely incarcerated because of the lack of accountability over the years! Instant sub! Thanks for posting! Keep em' comin! 👍🏼
They are not held to any standards. This attorney did a good job, but I did not see or hear that the cop was held accountable for his games.
@19:46 after the DUI goes through a list of accusations that the blue line guy spews in testimony, THAT ARE NOT IN THE CITATION they pan to the DA. The look and body language of DEFEAT, priceless.
I love how the judge is eating and sipping a big gulp.... real professional.
Surprisingly I would think there would be a ring doorbell for cars by now that connects to u and your lawyer less we talk or engage with government while detained the better
There should be a ring in this court fir quality purposes 🤣
well u can put a ring camera on anything, even a car
@@marcelgaddis9319 and hopefully no windows need to be rolled down
Thats a great idea for an app.
@@BigDave1125 less interaction with government better
Watched the whole video. Nothing happened to the cop except the judge telling him to have a good day. Might be a good lawyer but 26 minutes of my life I'll never get back. I was expecting more!!
Me too.
I feel like playing this video on repeat would be great for insomnia... the lawyer's voice while questioning and the trooper's responses along with the background courtroom noise seem like great ASMR. So you have that.
I watched it while waiting to dry more clothes. He has a nice voice and CZcams fulfilled its purpose
@Easter Bunny 🐰 Y'know who else helps drunks get off? Ya Mutha!
@Easter Bunneh hmm someone sounds jealous
This attorney is awesome! The best questioning I've ever heard an attorney give an officer on a DUI charge. Great great job!
it's pretty basic. do u watch alot of Netflix ?
I get so excited for these man, good work as always
Great way to market your firm! Also a great learning tool for citizens.
You could have drove this home so much quicker than you did, but you picked up the pace at the perfect time, well done in holding everyone involved accountable.
He is a master of his art and his timing was perfect. After every question he posed to the corrupt cop he would wait for him to answer and then wait some time for the jury to fully absorb the answer before moving on to the next point.. Absolutely brilliant.
I heard this solicator say before during a case that he was after doing the course that he was questioning the cop about .So he goes and does the courses it's possible for him to do himself so he know's what his talking about during cross examination . Now that's a damn good attorney if u ask me .
By far the most important reason we are watching these videos is to figure out the case outcomes with the jury verdicts. Will you please start including them?
I always thought the process of ripping cops apart was the most interesting part?
@@TheDUIGuyPlus we want it all lol. We didnt come to dinner to watch you cook we came to eat as well.
@@TheDUIGuyPlus hearing the verdicts is just as important lmao
Please be like Paul Harvey. Give us the rest of the story.😁
@@TheDUIGuyPlus porque no los dos?
Lying cop? Isn’t that redundant?
Love these longer videos man. Keep up the amazing work!
So good to see you back!
I read the description and it says watch the video until the very end to see what happens to the cop. He got dismissed and went back to work. Yeah I figured that was going to happen after it was over. I was kind of wondering what happened to the client and the verdict. Maybe an update in the description?
Andin the mean time the judge keeps on stuffin' his chops w/candy....
Cant do the walk and turn because its on a hill yet standing on one leg on the same uneven ground is ok....
How is it that this cop smelled alcohol when his nose was calibrated for doughnuts.
I’d love to see the whole video of this case. All direct, all cross and verdict.
2022 and this is the best cameras these courts have now. It's very 1980
Seems more like 2000s affordable home video cameras, I've seen videos from the 80s with better quality than this lol
Government Officials are too busy lining pockets with Tax Payers money......Not going to up- grade Cameras ....... WE NEED REFORMS ..............bro..
The judges look when you said if it's not written down it didn't happen was pure daggers. Brilliant!
Love when he pauses on a big moment to drink and let it soak in. Ace work.
Okay, so I watched to the end to see what happened to the cop. Looks like he finished his testimony and was sent home, to "enjoy the rest of your day". I feel cheated by this video. Were there some consequences for this cop or not?
they get paid time off. which means paid vacation when they do something wrong
@@tvong81 Nope they get overtime to come to court and spin tales of their prowess deduction skills and show how they can not remember the important evidence he wrote down but have crystal clear memories of all the evidence that he thought was not important enough to write down.
No because the prosecution knows they lie so they won't prosecute for perjury
Cops even have a phrase for it...it's called Testilying.
Any department that doesn't have cameras in 2022 doesn't want them, and I find that very suspicious.
Great seeing you back in live court!
He should get the same punishment any person who lies in court and lose his job for it.
That courthouse needs to update their video system.
They need to invest in cameras for cops & cop cars
I like how he takes his time & breaks things down for the jury to obsorb & understand.
He roasted him alive.
All these things he says "happened/observed" wasnt seemingly relevant to this officer to include in his report.
So he notice a cup in the cup holder with an "unidentified liquid" BUT didnt see that as possibly relivent?
Wow hes really on top of things out there
Sad someone with so much power over others, are required to have so little education.
ok
ALL Courtrooms, ever: No drinks or chewing gum allowed in court
This Judge: Slurps Java and pops bubbles
You have to look at the state. The laws and the judge having a sip of drank thank God he was not eating possum. Lol. I'm from Tennessee born in WV lived in VA KY and NC. How unprofessional can you get.
I’m a paramedic in a busy service so I write a lot of reports and admit I can get lazy writing some of the less eventful calls . All I need as motivation to get back to writing great accurate reports is watch some of these videos. This lawyer does a great job of using the cops report and lack of understanding his training.
thx junior
This is the problem with low IQ cops putting lies on police reports and omitting details. They mask reality and mask the truth.
No matter what quality report you write, they will try to discredit it, so just do your best.
I love how in 2022 where we have rovers on Mars with HD cameras and the court room cameras look like it’s from the 80’s
Watching DUI Guy slowly, meticulously, and painfully dismantle this guy is a work of art. What a sight to behold. It's like watching the Mona Lisa getting painted.
Looking forward to watching this. I had an experience cross-examining a cop for a traffic violation. VERY interesting also! I will comment again later.
This cop, needs to reprimanded for 🤥 lying..
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I had a NC state trooper arrest me for DUI. At trial he straight up lied about so many things I was in disbelief. Like in the movies, I was writing on my attorney's legal pad, "He is fn lying!"
The trooper said I flipped him off then ran from him after he pulled up next to me. He said I gave him 2 drivers license too! ALL of which were lies. Needless to say my lawyer made him look stupid. The judge found me not guilty. At that time I was waiting to get into the military. Had I been convicted I wouldn't have been able to enlist.
Never thought a policeman would try to destroy my life and lie like he did.
Larry you are a bulldog in that court room my friend!!! Great cross examination to chop down all of witness lies.
I’m stunned … no dash cams or body cams with KSP? Is the state that poor or does the state want to allow misconduct by officers to go unchecked?
They dont want evidence against themselves
Both
Watch the video all the way through to find out what happens to this cop!
so what happened to him?
I’m glad the defendant didn’t get into an accident and kill somebody.
Lying rookie will need to take Creative Writing 101 all over again.
Until arrests and citations are not the outlier to gain promotions through the ranks...I think you would see a different type of policing.
so does that trooper get any sort of punishment for lying on the stand? That seems like it should be a career ending move on his part.
Typically no.
u watch too much netflix son
@@hoss-lk4bg who, me? Dammit Dave. Why you gotta be like that?
If he lied he would be punished. So if he wasn't what does that tell you
@@marshalllord554 it tells me the cops needs to fill out his paperwork more thoroughly and he needs to admit when he's made an error. I worked as quasi-law enforcement (civil law, no arrest powers) and unless my cases were 100% air tight I would always give the subject the benefit of the doubt. I would not even raise a point unless I had it fully documented.
He walked the trooper right in to a hole he couldn't get out of
I feel like you left us hanging like when a show ends right before the climax!
(18:00) The moment trooper's credibility went in the toilet.
so what was the end result????
7:34 🤣 The 👀 look the judge gives the cop 👮♂️ after the attorney’s statement! 🤣
OMG! This camera has got both of it's megapixels working overtime
I guess video which looks like it’s from 1986 is better then no video at all. After Rittenhouse trial I’m convinced that trials should be shared via video. The tech and ability is there. Any opposition to this common sense approach makes it seem like the courts wants to hide something.
Especially after judge krot caught herself out abusing a dying 72 yr old man from cancer as ge couldn't cut his weeds ffs
Seems like the DUI Guy, just like the trooper, makes up things for his own benefit. The video, despite watching all the way to the end, doesn't show what happens to the trooper. WTH?
Thanks for posting!
This was almost sadistic Larry Foreman!😂😫
I have gone through this 3 times and not found an "aha" moment. Can someone that hears that moment please direct me to that point in the timeline. I am not on either side but I cant find a point where everyone says he is lying for sure. I am missing something. Thanks.
Me neither
You watched it three times? I watched it once and realized I was never getting my time back.
@@OhioDave1345 I dont always pay 100percent attention...plus the negative comments were VERY pointed. I figured it was me. Thanks for your feedback
@@raymondotterbine we seem to be the minority
No video of events, so 🐖 can say what they want, can say anything happened. But, if you do not write it down, as he says, it didn't happen.
But, if there are causes for it other than alcohol, then surely the various police depts, local and or federal should be told about this?!
Did you write down you woke up this morning? Witnesses are sworn to tell the facts whether written or remembered.
It looks like the judge is watching a video on his cell phone
Nicely done. Keep up the good work sir. 👏
I watched all the way to the end. What happened to the cop? The judge told him to enjoy the rest of his day. Is part of the video missing?
He collected his paycheck and repeated
Sent this to Steve Lehto for review.
Any cop caught lying or falsifying evidence should be charged with obstruction of justice.
I have several neurological issues which preclude me passing the BS "eye test"