The Stolen Journals | The Secret History of The Universe
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- The Dune universe is set in the year 10191 AG, this is about 20,000 years in our future. The Spacing Guild was formed after 10,000 years of history following the 20th century. The Guild was formed after a long age of darkness following the Butlerian Jihad, in this age no one could travel safely through space due to the inability to use thinking machines. 1, in every 10 vessels were lost in this age due to the inability to properly navigate during this era. When the guild was formed, this problem was solved and a new epoch was created “AG,” After Guild. Following the ascension of Paul Atreides more than 5,000 years passed throughout the original Dune Saga. By the year 13500 AG The Worm God Emperor Leto II ruled from Arrakis, which was by then known simply as Rakis.
The God Emperor more so than anyone who had lived before him understood that recorded history was riddled with inaccuracies, half-truths, and outright lies, the history of humanity was shaped by those who recorded it. The Stolen Journals would be Leto’s own record of his long life, his family history, and his musings on the universe, humanity, and reality.
In the centuries following the death of the worm god emperor, several volumes of his journals were uncovered. And as they were uncovered they shed new light on historical events. It was in fact the Spacing Guild who originally translated the stolen journals through a method which came to be known as the Guild Key. Most of the Journals had been originally printed upon Ridulian crystal sheets by use of a device called a dictatel which allowed the god emperor to transmit his thoughts directly. The dictatel was a device of Ixian manufacture, Ixian tech was frowned upon in the imperium because the Ixians toed the line of what was permitted by the Butlerian Jihad. Leto had recorded his thoughts through the use of the dictatel for many centuries, he even recorded his dying thoughts.
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"He sensed then that his Ixian printers had been set in motion, that they were recording his thoughts without any special command. Remember what I did! Remember me! I will be innocent again!"
- God Emperor of Dune by Frank Herbert
You said towed the line. I think you meant walked the line between... thanks for another great video!
@@jason.larsenthedanishgreek1226 Yes, I should have said, "Barely toed the line."
And yet again, we are to believe that the God Emperor is anything but a tyrant, just because _his own_ memoires say so? _Of course,_ he himself would not see him as a tyrant. Humans always invent fabulous mental gymnsastics and stories that explain their often crazy and immoral behaviour. The journals of the God Emperor are not credible sources of the truth, because as the most powerful human who ruled over everyone else, he had every reason to lie. Lie, like all authoritarians do. Authoritarians through all history have always justified their terrible rule via grand stories of threats only they could see. It's just manipulation. Why is this not discussed?
Bender' s fire-breathing statue: "Remember me!"
You were mentioned by man carrying thing in a video about reading the dune book!
I frickin love the idea of it being the God Emperor's voice at the beginning of Denis' Dunes
Would make those starting seconds extra extra haunting really.
Yeah I’m obsessed now
@@OneUniti😂💯
Dude you'd be a worm a big mutant worm.🤨😗🫣🤭
It's a pretty fun idea. I do point out that if you watch the movie with subtitles it says it's sardaukar
Jason Momoa knows the true meaning of job security
I was just thinking about that. Dude nailed his place.
I think he was more referring to the fact that Duncan gets cloned over and over and over and over and over....
@@koreyjeffers6963 That's why I said out loud to my buddies, poor guy at the end of p1 dune. They had no clue why I was sad lol
I guess Jason will come back soon.
Until he is recast.
That being Leto's voice would be a real stroke of genius, I wish it wasn't in the Sardaukar language... would be so much more mysterious.
True. But lets hope they go with that idea.
Well...aren't his Fish Speakers descended from the Sardaukar? Maybe a variation of it becomes their language as well.
@@michaeljf6472that could work
Oh, MAN!! YES!!! The physical voice coming out of God Emperor's larynx would NOT sound normal!
Leto can make his voice sound however he wants in the start og god emperor he mimicks pauls young voice to talk to duncan number 500000
@@syndromeofadowns exactly! He has other memory to look back through to mimic the throat singing perfectly
Leto can make any sound he wants. He often talks to characters in the voice of their dead loved ones to manipulate them
@@syndromeofadowns yep, I forgot about that.
@@jevinday you're right!
The idea of Leto II transcribing his thoughts led me to imagine his mind straying into irritation about his stepmother Irulan being as unreliable as Herodotus.
Just 30,000 years to go, baby!!!
Your idea of the voice at the beginning of both movies is that of the God Emperor is mind blowing. You are our Dune mentat
One of Herbert's greatest and ongoing sources of humor in God Emperor was Leto's relationship with the Ixians and their creations. He knew that humanity would need shields from prescience like no chambers and no ships, as well as artificial navigation machines and so on. Plus, he seems to have genuinely liked Malky despite his knowledge that the Ixians were conspiring against him.
Yep. Just like Sun Tzu. “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”. Leto would know this of coarse.
Truth....the Leto II Ixian relationship was hilarious and telling once one finished the book.
“You can build the machines…”
Since computers are men’s creations, it can only reflect how men think. If human are heading to a path without being subjugation, then computers can only accelerate that path
Leto probably remembered being Sun Tzu.
Your theory about the movies and the journals was also my first thought after hearing the “alien” voice at the beginning. I was like:
“…. Leto??”
WE ARE SO BACK!
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You have been so active these past two weeks, thats so awesome
I mean it would be pretty dumb not to. This is probably the peak Dune time. And he's one of the biggest Dune lore video creators. Probably a lot of renewed interest into Dune with how much praise the movie is getting.
of course quinn would be - very grateful about it 🎉
Leto II: "I'm every worm-man, it's all in meeeee"
😂😂😂 Thx for the lulz
I’m screaming 😂😂😂
Awful 0/10. Not even in the "so stupid it is funny" category.
@@jessejamesainger3263Leto II would’ve laughed at it…
God emperor of dune is by far my favorite dune book as well as Leto the second being my favorite character in dune. Can’t wait to live in a year where that movie is a reality. How will they bring the giant worm to life on the big screen?
They won't, Denis is leaving after Messiah. Most likely they'll TRY to continue the story as an HBO Max series. Doubt it'll go far
It needs to be a show after that. To heavy, complex and weird for a movie or two.
The two movies should've been shows too imo. GoT style but with actual competent shwrunners...
It's my favourite as well, probably because I read it first when it was a new book before going back to Dune and then reading again in sequence.
I think an HBO show could be great!
Villeneuve saw Dune as a cautionnary tale about heroes but so he made the hero as a villain... I don't think he is ready to adapt the book that sum up the idea that a villain is beneficial, it would contradict his take on Dune.
YASSS!!! YOU KNOW IT'S A GOOD DAY WHEN QUINN DROPS A DUNE VIDEO!!!! 😍😍
Denis' movies are the closest thing to perfection. That being said, so much was left out of the second movie, the lack of thufir in the second movie being a big part I had forgotten about as I've only listened to the Dune audio book once, so forgotten he was with Vladimir after the culling of the majority of House Atreides.
I read that Denis said that this was what he was most sad about for Dune part two…
MONEO! Cancel my appointment with the new Duncan, Quinn has released a new video!
There's a reason I love your videos, you are able to explore the deep of Dune and explain it in such a way that it is understandable.
Great timing to upload this when there is so much Dune coverage and for new fans like myself, there is so much source material to cover
In a universe full of servile zealots - Malky would have been a breath of fresh air.
I love how Leto II is both the most and least human character in the series.
I've been a subscriber for a while and I have to say, you have a great narrator voice. Please consider doing an audio book channel. Possibly of older obscure SiFi books. I could listen to that for hours.
I hope they make God Emperor in some form, Leto is a great character and the book is imo the jewel of the series
why wont anyone at least animate it whenever denis vill. if he doesnt make anything after messiah
The voice at the start of the movie sounded identical to the sardukar throat chanter. Your idea is cool though.
Man do I wish Denis wanted to do more than just a trilogy. Children of Dune is the most cinematic of the books, and God Emperor would be magnificent to see and is as good of an endpoint as Messiah is.
He said he envisioned 3 films. Well, I guess that wraps up Muad'Dib story, but it certainly does not Paul's story. I'd be so happy if he did CoD, that would be Part Two level action-wise and it's also my favorite book of the series. GEoD would be weird to adapt for a wide audience, and I'd be okay without it. DENIS, PRETTY PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP!
@@Daniel-rw9umbut Children of Dune ends on a cliffhanger, and what would be the point of introducing Leto II combining with the sandtrout if they don’t show him grown up as the God Emperor? To me, there is no point of Children of Dune without God Emperor, the whole book is a setup for it.
@@robertholland3895 Because I like Leto, Ghanima and Alia :)
Quinn is the only dude whose voice can calm me down when the ganja is rippin' my soul to shreds. Party on
I had the exact same thoughts about those quotes when I saw Part 2. That's awesome, man!
The idea that the movies are actually from the journals would be absolutely amazing! It could also easily explain how some events are different from the book where Leto could have purposefully changed parts around to make people he saw would read it in the future would get a specific message from it. Thats a seriously cool idea.
Nice video. It's always good to see another discussion about Leto ii.
I some times wonder how the Dune cast including Leto ii after all their experiences in the books were said and done would have reacted to the disastrous events in Warhammer 40k and the varies variables and magnitude of critical mistakes behind them.
The fall of the Dark Age of Technology with the Men of Iron rebellion and Xenos betrayal of mankind, the Age of Strife, the Unification of Terra, the Great Crusade, and the Horus Heresy and the ten thousand years of stagnation, forever wars, paranoia, unstable, and self justified ignorant tyranny within the Imperium of Man before the galaxy was split in two by a great rift of twisting maelstrom horror. A thread hanging upon a knife edge of a few individuals who can halt total calamity from passing.
With almost no options left for humanity to leave the galaxy due to so many variables constraining the development of such a option. Constantly pushing mankind into this ultimatum.
I imagine Leto ii would be the most understanding of many portions of the God Emperor of Mankind's indifferent, detached, impatient, and lost of comparison with a overly ambitious mindset. Since he had similar experiences for 3,500 years (but he foresaw and planned for every mistake and decision effectively.) How GEoM's perceptions and lost of humanity were formed from his experiences over the ages and the disasters he saw.
Which Leto ii probably wouldn't completely blame him for however he would later hold him responsible and rebuke him when they were most needed especially spiritual needs with proper guidance.
I believe Leto ii would also be the most experienced and perceptive one of the Dune cast to develop multiple harsh constructed criticisms after a while self reflecting on many of the God Emperor of Mankind's personal tunnel visioned decisions in the circumstances he made them even though there are terrible hellish forces that exists in their universe's galaxy but also there are ways to stop them and develop the proper countermeasures and defences vigilant enough to resist them with a strong culture. Something GEoM failed to do and kept a unnecessary secret to the extent that secret became universal enforced doctrine by the hierarchy and the multi dependent institutions who deliberately restrain technology and encourage the subjugation of entire planets and loyal armies over these secrets and policies while constantly batting with each other in secret for authority and influence.
What would Leto ii have done and not have done in the God Emperor of Mankind's situation?
First comment! Greetings Quinn. I saw Dune Part 2 here in IMAX Buenos Aires. It is mind blowing!🤩. Love this channel.
I really like this idea. It adds a little something extra that Leto II might have been making sure his mother and father's story was told in the proper context from the start.
Can't wait to see the Children of Dune on the big screen!! Herbert's legacy will contine. Your collection is fantastic 👑⚡️
Tristemente no ocurrirá con Denis...
The SciFi Channel has a great DVD set not only of Frank Herbert's Dune, but Children Of Dune as well! They are very accurate and faithful to the books and very well done...If you can bear some goofy-looking costumes .
I been here since the first dune video!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤ watched them all several times!!🎉
OT question: Is there a way for me to chronologically listen to your Dune playlist on mobile?
'Cause right now the top video is a year old, then they get older and *poof* new ones again.
And I just want to kinda start from beginning to end, in order.
I really hope they keep making Dune movies at least as far as Chapterhouse. It’d be really cool if they got James McAvoy to come back as Leto II to play the worm god
Not sure what this is, but Let’s Go!!!
Baby read God Emperor of Dune!!🐛🐛🐛
Same
A video about the God Emperor of Dunes stolen journals
The movie was great! Wish there was more of the wider galaxy shown
This channel ages like fine wine every video. Keep doing your thing man, always happy to see your stuff when it pops up in my subs!
This may have been one of your best videos yet, well done focusing on
a simple part of the saga and expanding it.
Quinn you have officially made it- You got a shout out on the angry joe show!
Really? Wait video?
@@QuinnsIdeas in their Dune part 2 review, Joe directs people to your channel for great lore videos!
@@Choom89 Also get a shoutout from Daniel Greene !👌👍
This is nice not many people have touched on the stone journals
8:30 Dude, I love your theory on Leto II opening the movies with his quotes. I really hope you're right and that these movies go through at least God Emperor of Dune.
One of my new favorite channels! Subscribed!
I can see Dune 3 be a combo of Messiah and Children of Dune. 3 hour movie maybe but why not? End with showing the God Emperor...
Awesome to see you still around brother, I found your channel throu the Three body problem series not to long ago. Looking forward to more content keep it up
Man. Your vids are something else entirely. I wish there were more CZcams creators who could make videos that make you... think? like this... Thanks Quinn. I wish you success.
Wow this narration is your best yet. You've got it down perfect.
I really appreciate 🙏 your time and effort you put in your work. You've turned me onto this dune universe when I found you during the first Denis Dune film. I really enjoy your reading enthusiasm thanks again
I don't know why, but "it's a fun idea I thought of" jumped out at me. For all our talk of how grand, epic and wonderfully written these series are, it's really important to remember the fun to them. We like these stories because they're fun. Such a simple yet fundamental element to life we too easily overlook.
The Golden Path - thank you for the great video - top quality as always
Good to see you upload this much. What a treat
You mentioning the quotes at the beginning of the Dune movies possibly being Leto II is going to blow everyone’s mind lol.
I love your ideas Quinn. Thank you.
Now this is the best theory that anyone has ever come up with. Plus these journals serve as proof of how Denis can do a live action Version of God Emperor of Dune one day. Also, these journals can connect all of Denis’ Dune movies altogether
While that voice being Leto II is 100% my headcannon now, he DID have the abiltiy to make his voice sound like anyone in his other memory. ("DUNCAN!")
Alright it took til part 2 came out but still here I am like 700000 subs later.
Awesome to see the channel kersplode Quinn man!
There’s a line near the end that shook me and it’s what I keep thinking about. As they process across the bridge, Hwi, noticing the throngs of crazed worshippers, asks out of fear if some wish to sacrifice her. And in response, Wormgod bluntly like he does, says “some of them do.”
I am convinced right then he knew what was about to happen, that they were both about to die for his golden path. That she was part of his end, and that it was HIM that was meaning to sacrifice her. And most importantly he was showing her his hand while keeping it obscured, the way someone who’s getting away with murder leaves clues pointing to them. Which truly makes him the villain in her story. To be so cold and so calculating and prescient, but so far away from her and her best interests.
If Leto is so openly the villain in that moment, what if he’s been a true villain all along. What if he has no prescience and the whole thing has just been the justification of a typical tyrant. And how did I still so willingly go along with all of it. I only finished this book and I got a lot stewing to do before I’m sure on all of this, but damn. That ending has me really thinking.
I hope Children and God Emperor are eventually adapted. Have them interspliced and spread out to make another trilogy or quadrilogy of films to help flesh out the stories.
So "Godemperor of Dune" plays in... 30K. Exactly around the time of the Great Crusade and the Ascention of the Emperor of Mankind to the Golden Throne?! Damn, I love that tidbit of lore
!!yes!! I said the same exact thing about the voice in the beginning of both new Dune's was that of Leto II
Thank you so much for your hard work and passion for the Dune universe. 🙂
Fantastic video Quinn. Ever thought about doing a video on Leto’s testing of Siona in the desert? 🙏🏼. Keep doing your thing man!
Phenomenal work as always!
🙏Thanks for getting me into Dune so many years ago with your vids.
Yeesss! Finally more Dune videos. I've been waiting so long.
Great video bro, is always thrilling to lnow more about Dune cheers.
"Dreams are messages from the deep" is a quote by G. Jung
I know that I don't comment very much. However, you have to be one of my favorite creators on CZcams right now.
Awesome video and interesting theory! Just wanted to say your videos inspired me to read past the first Dune novel and continue my journey into Frank Herbert's universe! Also, because of your videos I got into the Three Body Problem. Hopefully Netflix doesn't mess it up! Anyways, keep up the great work!
God Emporer is my favorite book in the whole series. Another great vid!
The quotes were definitely in Sardaukar. If you watch it with your captions on the screen says it.
Yees!! More Dune lore videos from the best Dune channel please!
That is a great theory, I'm going to adopt it as well because it's fun and makes sense. I love the idea that Villanueva is incorporating information from the future of the Dune universe. Maybe he'll continue down through the series!
Leto is by far one of the most interesting and terrifying characters of fiction.
Will you ever do a breakdown of Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune?
2:38 - To "toe the line" (sometimes wrongly spelled as "tow the line") means to go along obediently or unquestionably with something. It might be more accurate to say the Ixians "skirted the line" of the Butlerian Jihad, i.e. - to come very close to a boundary but without crossing it.
Otherwise, great video. I sincerely appreciate your contributions toward promoting a greater understanding of the Dune books.
original UK military parlance. 👌👍
Always a good day when you drop some dune content
I had the same thought about Leto's voice at the beginning of Dune 2!!
I like your reading voice. Calm and clear. You should do some audiobooks!
I would recommend The Dune Encyclopedia for additional information on this subject. Great Dune video.
i saw the movies as almost another possible timeline in the myriad of vision paul saw that way they could be close to the book and still be different
More Dune content 🖤
Can't watch now, literally about to go watch part II!
Yes!!! 🙌🏾 Please more Dune content ❤
Leto's Poetic Vanity transcends time
Quinn, do you think when filming dune part one and two they are watching your videos for information? Does this change how you might put out videos for scifi going forward?
The intro being the God Emperors voice blew my freaking mind!
Awesome observation and if not true it will be better than the truth. This is similar to a thought I had about the film version of Doctor Sleep - that the recreated scenes from The Shining are Danny’s memories impacted by time. Always enjoy and share your content!
( what gets me as a lifelong fan is how did I miss that ) ? Monsieur V. Well done. Hidden In plain sight all along.
The very idea of such a creature needing a book for its thoughts is fucking hilarious
Love this, I could watch dune lore for ever
love your content
I went to see pt 2 yesterday and I was scratching my head over the intro. Of course it's spoken by the God Emporer, it's being hidden in plain sight ! Considering it's my favourite book, I'm surprised I didn't put 2 + 2 together ! That makes perfect sense ! Wow. Mind blown...
Quinn your channel is awesome
Keep it up, bro!
Without a doubt, the character of Leto II is the most powerful and influential on readers.
Fun theory video, thanks for sharing.
Screenshot @3:16
You have such an amazing collection of books.
I can just imagine someone checking CZcams for dune info because of the movie and they get introduced to this great channel
I love your stuff man. I'm using this comment to tell you to look into a book called psycho historical crisis. It uses the concepts of psychohistory developed by Isaac Asimov. But it's a standalone book and I love it
If it is Leto II speaking, "Dreams are messages from the Deep," it takes on a whole new mysterious meaning when you think of the "endless dream" of each "pearl of his awareness" has in the new worms of Rakis. Then think of how those worms seemed to be trying to signal something in Heretics of Dune.
Makes sense that the movie quotes might be Leto II.