【聖剣伝説3：宿命の決戦】ローグvsナイトブレード【解説付：真ダークキャッスル世界最速】
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(私は確証バイアスにより戦術研究の大いなる妨げとなる特定キャラクラス最強一択排他論者ではありません) - Hry
改めて見るとナイブレ側のイビル+パワボル+ウップリが何となく歯がゆい感じがするんですがこれはやっぱり殴りが最善なんでしょうか?何かできそうで何も思いつかない笑 セジアクメならホリボレインボーでOKかな?
そうですね(｀･ω･)b
それでよろしいかと…ただしセージアークメイジの編成順でホーリーボール発動後にリング最速開閉を挟まないと
セージが反射ダメージを受けるのでそこだけご注意を
ルーレットデスが怖くないレベルなら殴りもありですね♪
ローグ、ルーンマスター、ネクロマンサーがカラーも含めて大好きなんですが、単体処理においては優れているものの、全体攻撃や連携に乏しい気がします。このパーティの良いところや連携、改善点など教えていただけませんか？
ダークキャッスルルートでいいんでしょうか(/ω＼)？
動画準拠で説明すると、先ず全体対象攻撃は対ダークキャッスルにおいて特に問題ありません
熟練すれば動画の通りローグの二連飛燕関連のみですべて瞬殺なので…
アイススマッシュ>シルバーダーツも動画同様使えます
問題は聖域対シェイプシフターの方ですね
光アンジェラ最強魔法やフルブーストケヴィンリロードキャンセルと比べて
二連飛燕だとどうしてもシェイプシフトを許してしまい殲滅効率が下がる事があります
ルーンマスターの各種全体対象魔攻と組み合わせてもどうしようもありません(`･ω･)ゞ
まぁ二連飛燕だけで聖域も決して遅くはないので二連飛燕を極めて頂ければと思います(｀･ω･)b
@@seiken3master お早い返信ありがとうございます。そうなんですよー。すみません一応全本拠地のつもりでした。
個人的にはストーンクラウドやデススペルを駆使すればどの本拠地も二連飛燕投で効率よくいける、でもやっぱり聖域戦が問題なんですよね。
ボディチェンジ(全)+下位魔法(全)で効率はいいからと納得はしてるんですけどアンジェラをアークメイジにしたほうがいいのか？それならネクロよりビショップかセージだよなぁなんて試行錯誤しております。
やっぱりローグランデビショップは完成度半端ないですね
参考になりました。
まぁ一応ホークアンシャルはローテーションで全ルート対応ですがドラゴンズホールってデスマシンが結構広めに分布してるんで
サンダーボルトの沈黙対策風神の腕輪か強制被ダメ回復に繋がるヒールライト(全)＆MP永久機関=リーフセイバー(クロウラーの爪or銀狼の魂)のどっちかは押さえておいた方がいいと思います
沈黙させられてもそのまま殴り倒すという戦法においてはローグよりナイトブレードなんでやっぱり一択論にはならないんですよね
安全な敵で必殺ゲージ溜め>攻撃魔法(全)詠唱>分身斬(演出終了前からリーダーチェンジボタンホールド)>魔攻発動
みたいな連携も反撃緩いドラゴンズホールはやりやすいです
@@seiken3master
なるほど！ありがとうございます。確かにドラゴンズホールのデスマシンは厄介ですね。ドラゴンズホールはリースを軸にして組んだパーティのほうが安定しますよね。
主さんのおかげでこのゲームを深く遊べてます。
ありがとうございました。
パーティ相談の際はまた知識をお貸しいただければ幸いです。
So I watched this now completly and this was an amazing run on both sides. ^^ Both were almost even with the speed. :D
But I always think: When you have Kevin with you you are always faster! Guess I was wrong. XD
Still some things I have noticed!
You made the yellow Rogue special attack two times? Is this possible with the red Special Attack too? Cause when I am using Night Blades red special attack in this dungeon I mostly killing all of them with one blow. :D (Well most of them, some are surviving ^^")
Are you using the Minor Mallet at Charlotte so she became small, because of the spell casting time? Is it faster when she is small? Never tried it out, but in Secret of Mana / Seiken Densetsu 2 the characters casted faster when they were small. :)
At the beginning I thought: Why didin't you go in there at night with Kevin? But then I realized, that you probably wanted to have the Wolf form at the Belladonna fight! ^^" And the transformation is sometimes a bit slow. XD
The last thing which surprised me and I never knew and I never tried out: You can USE the Class changing items??? XD I guess the Ash Bottle is for debuffing and lower the enemies status right? ^^
I am really sorry that this comment is so long now, but I am really overwhelmed with that. :O Hope I can do something similar with my team one day. ^^ Keep up the good work! :D
Kevin is the fastest overall with stand-alone performance.
Rogue and NightBlade attacks exceed Kevin's efficiency in multiple enemy battles (except sanctuary) at enemy bases.
Can be executed twice using a NightBlade split-imageslice.
However, it is different from Rogue flyingswallowtoss.
When used twice, the counterattack is confirmed in most enemy patterns.
flyingswallowtoss = interrupt type → often won't fight back even if used twice.
split-Imageslice = cooperation type → exact linkage with another method.
If you want to make NightBlade the mainstay without relying on Kevin from Dark Castle
Master a single shot split-imageslice.
It is faster not to cooperate with magic, except for some enemy combinations.
If you want to defeat an enemy without being counterattacked, use StarLancer
Marduck to silence all the enemies.
If you need to prevent high-risk counterattack by Darkload and Greatdemons
A blow needle alone is fine.
Cast time is not reduced, but the interval between tricks is reduced.
Minormallet is used for this purpose.
This is to shorten the space between split-imageslice and Holyball.
For the enemy, this is equivalent to being killed with a single blow, which greatly increases the chances of avoiding a counterattack.
A technique called "counter avoiadance of the Kopokuru finish type".
This is only valid when using cooperation type Special Moves.
On the other hand, it is invalid when using the interrupt type flyingswallowtoss.
The fight against Belladonna is possible day and night.
Kevin, whose attack strength has been increased to 370, can be increased to a maximum attack strength of 493 using only pressure points.
On the other hand, even if you use pressure points, if you become a beast after that, Kevin's attack power will always be less than 493 until you receive attack or support.
Eventually it will take some time to increase to 493.
There are ways to solve this, but depending on your ability, you need to change your organization and increase the difficulty of avoiding counterattack.
I chose noon for these reasons.
However, I think pressure points can be used more often.
There may not be a big difference.
Ashbottles can also be used.
This is enough for the boss battle.
All Charlottes are available except the high priest.
So if you don't use Blackcurse in a noob battle
Necromancer attack characteristics are only Dark Saber and Monster Summon
Mainly used in Dragons Hall.
Thank you very much.
Your idea is the focus of all the major tactical researchers in Japan
We look forward to understanding the best organization you decide.:D
Wow this is a lot of information. Thank you for the response. ^^ I really hope I can make something out of it.
I only want to come back to Kevins damage, because sometimes I have the feeling that this is really weird. I mostly use the Werewolf form, use then Presure Point and also use a Drake Scale or use Riesz attack buff. Does that mean the attack cannot get higher then 493? And if I lower the defence of the enemy, I guess Kevin's damage is also higher than normaly. :D So there are many things to try out I guess. ^^ And I heard that Kevin has some sort of "Rage Mode", when you use a Herb on him. If you do that he goes into this "Rage Mode" and makes even more damage. I don't know if that's true, but some Speedrunner said this!
And I still forgot something in my first comment. xD
I really would like the see how you speedrun the first segments of the game. I think the final dungeon is mostly the easiest to be fast, because you have so many skills already. But the beginning of the game is really hard to run, because you nearly don't have anything. :O This is all so interesting and I really would love to see something like that. :D
In order to become Kevin 493 (Rage Mode) as described above, Kevin needs special preparation.
Go back and forth between the town and the map where the enemy appears.
First, turn Kevin into a beast at night on the enemy map and use Kevin Minor Mallet to return to town.
Then call Flamy and get off, return to town and go to the map where the enemy appears again.
Repeat this to increase Kevin's attack strength to over 370.
Easy in Deantown.
afterwards, Become a beast, be attacked, supported, and use pressure points (or power-up).
If any of these are executed, it will be 493.
Anyway, never exceed that.
This rage mode (called full boost in Japan.:D) can only be maintained in Class 1 after raising to level 37.
When you level up, you will return to the original level.
Can be maintained according to conditions.
However, it is much easier to proceed normally than to maintain it.
Class 3 can be maintained from level 55 and above.
Want to reduce enemy defense in a noob battle?
On the other hand, if power is prioritized and grows steadily, efficiency may decline.
In addition, a counterattack is triggered at the end of the story (= enemy base).
In other words, using a single shot is not very efficient.
You may want to use it after silence.
Ah I heard about that. It happens when the "WIN" is not comming up if you have Kevin with you, turn him into a Wolf, call Flamie and repeat that. That's what I have seen in a speedrun! This really sounds very interesting, but probably not really worth doing it, because the preperations are sounding that these could take a while. XD And yeah what you said. It's definetely easier if you just progress normaly. ^^"
Oh no, I mean I would really like to see how you do the first half of the game. Because you really don't have much skills and strenght to progress very fast. I think the fastest segment of the game is the end game! And I think it's somehow sad, that you don't have the 3rd Class for that long. :/ I mean they are really cool and having so much potential. I hope they will change this in the Remake, that you have the 3rd Classes longer. ^^
Noob Battle uses AT type reload cancellation.
In boss battles, CP type or LR type reload cancellation is used.
Others are czcams.com/video/7vCNGawjBOs/video.html
When using this video technology, the power of the leader character is given priority and the other two are raised with priority on vitality.
From the beginning of the battle, press the A button to attack the leader from the safe zone with your allies as a shield.
It becomes even easier if you clear it immediately. czcams.com/video/GcwODxImPPc/video.html Watch this video.
It's too fast and not interesting.
I can't enjoy the fight.XD
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