Fleetguard LF16242 Oil Filter Cut Open vs. Baldwin B160 Oil Filter Cut Open
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
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Fleetguard oil filter versus Baldwin oil filter. Are these oil filters any good? Would you use them? Let's open them up and see what's inside!
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You can't go wrong with either of these two filters! Both are used in more industrial applications than anything else. I've used both on the diesel fire pump at work and never had a problem!
4 the money Baldwin is the clear winner imo I've used both.
I think I would go with the Fleetguard.💪
Both are good but the Fleetguard gets my vote. So nice of the TN viewer to send you the filter. Another good review. TFS Pete. Merri :)
It sure was,
Thanks, Merri.
The "Fleetguard" is interesting for several reasons. FG date code indicates it is made by M&H Purolator in Fayetteville NC 05/2022. Construction also looks like Purolator made. But, 98.7% @ 17.6 microns, IF true, a very efficient filter. Seems too good to be true. 98.7% is absolute number (Baldwin, 98.7%@40um). Because of silicone adbv, I'd choose the FG. But, neither is a readily available filter here, so unlikely I'd use either. Thanks for vid.
Hi faxmen09,
You're Welcome!
So nice of your Special Viewer to send you this filter! YaY to Him! Another great review! 👍
Yes, he is
Thanks, Ella! I hope your feeling better.
@@WhipCityWrencher, Getting there! Thanks! 🙂👍
Baldwin for the win. My oil is much cleaner using Baldwin filters than any others I’ve ever used. They started out making filters for heavy dirt movers so I think they make filters more heavy duty
I noticed the same thing. Baldwin wins. Been using Baldwin forever...
Both really good filters. I have used Hastings/Baldwin quite a few times with no problem. My Uncles Trucking firm used Hastings/Baldwin for many years and never has an issue.
Finally got a good look at the 2 of the brands that probably cover the most of the industrial world of engine's... Something to be said about fleet guard being the only in house filter brand owned by a diesel engine manufacturer .. On some of my old antique tractor engines though it was Baldwin, Purolator and Donaldson for the OEM preferred. But everything after the 1970s was fleet guard .
For a longer maintenance interval, I would want to use the Baldwin, shorter, the Fleetguard.
It would also depend on the mileage and the number of particulates in the oil when at the end of its life.
The Fleetguard would filter better for a shorter length of time.
The filter paper used by Fleetguard is fiber-filled, which can increase the holding capacity of dirt and provide better flow rate.
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I was a fleet mechanic for indot and creviston trucking for decades ! seemed fleetgaurd was the the more popular filter for the mail trucks Maybe because of cost ! indot used mostly napa gold because we had an account and bought in bulk ! Baldwin is also a fleet oil filter ! never had any problems except for 1 napa gold with a cross threaded base plate !
Hi Scotty,
Thanks for sharing!
Both great american made filters. Both companies are well known in the diesel industry for making heavy duty filters. I would run either one but the fleetguard wins due to the filter media. Too bad it didn't have a coil spring!
Made in USA👍
Luberfiner filters are good too
i have heavy equipment and i never have a worry with either brand .i like cat filters because of the way they hold the pleats open from collapsing with thier ribbons.If you service regular youll never have a problem any how.
I've always been a fan of Baldwin filters, but I think Fleetguard wins in this comparison.
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 know 👨🔧WCW
Thank You!
Both are good filters, but I'll probably use the Fleetguard
Well done! I appreciate your filter vids. A thought: gasket measurements (height and thickness) and maybe even a durometer reading "might" be useful. Some Honda Element and CR-V engine fires have been caused by oil filter gaskets remaining stuck to the engine during oil changes. The tech then screwed the new filter over the old gasket, creating a double gasket situation. When run, the old gasket eventually would blow out. This caused oil to be sprayed on the nearby exhaust manifold and vehicles fires ensued. There was a class-action lawsuit, IIRC. Again, well done.
Both decent filters for 3 to 5000 miles oil change intervals.Fleetguard would probably get the nod for my money.Interestingly last year i bought a fleet guard for my Ford Falcon and it still had a nitrile rubber adbv.So they must have just recently switched over.
In Australia the Ford Falcon was in production from 1960 thru to 2016 both in 6 cylinder and V8.
Hi Luke,
Depending on the filter size with the Fleetguard, some have nitrile ADBV.
These are both good commercial filters with only small differences. You see a much bigger quality difference between brands with automotive filters. Years of working in the field, Baldwin is by far the most common filter on commercial engines. The rental companies use them. Fleetguard is a popular truck filter.
Baldwin B160 is my filter I use on my pick up truck thank you for making the video. Never had problem with Baldwin. Not bashing Fleetguard but just because the filter media is woven tight doesn’t mean better filtration,but yes smaller particles it may catch but at a high restriction then Baldwin do to flow of oil flow restriction through a tighter woven media. More restriction equals less flow of oil , equals high’s oil pressure. Some one agree to disagree , it’s all subjective choose which brand you like and be happy.
Hi Nick,
Thanks for your feedback!
I've been running the Baldwin 160 on my LS2 corvette. One of the things I like about it is has a fair amount of media. The Baldwin should flow more of these two. I'm sure the Fleetguard is a good filter it looks like it also has more media than the PF48 used on my LS2
Great job Pete!
Thanks Dwayne!
I've been waiting for this one! The LF16242 is pretty close to the LF17531 I have a number of. The main differences I noticed right away are mine have a nitrile ADBV and a "button type" bypass valve at the bottom instead of the kind shown on this one. I do wish the LF17531 had the silicone ADBV as an option, though. I'll be looking forward to video on that if you get your hands on one of them.
Hi John,
I plan on Putting the LF17531 oil filter against a Wix oil filter. That video will probably be shown sometime in November.
@@WhipCityWrencher great to hear, I'll definitely be checking that out!
in my area, i see alot of baldwins on farm equipment engines & hydralic systems.perhaps its a cost effective alternative to OEM filters.they cant be too bad because when farmers need their equipment to function properly, time is their advasary.farming is a very time sensitive business.down equipment can cost them thousands in crop sales.
Thanks for Sharing!
The weaker bypass pressure on the FG negates a big portion of the filter media thickness. The Baldwin is going to make sure the oil flows through the media for the life of the filter. In fact, the lower bypass pressure combined with the thicker media on the FG might mean a lot of oil NOT going through the media as it nears the end of its service life. I'm a retired farmer, and I have used both brands but somehow preferred Baldwin. Just my $.02.
Funny, you mention that. When I was looking at the FG specs over 20 years ago I called their engineering dept and spoke to them about this very issue. They said that the 100% Microglass media is a much more free flowing filter media even when 'thicker' than the cellulose. It would permit the differential pressure value of the by-pass to be lower because they engineer that value according to the media. It would also be effected by engine oil pressure, oil viscosity and temperature as far as when it goes in and out of by-pass. Back then it was a fairly novel concept having 100% synthetic media, now it's commonplace. I think the Boss is comparable.
Thanks Vince, I hadn't considered that the media composition was, or could be different. I was using farmer logic (not sure that's a real thing), in my thinking. Different media, different viscosities, different oil base (synthetic, petroleum), will surely have an effect on filter performance. I'm 73 and retired now, but back in the day I spent many hours running tractors, combines, swathers, semis, dozers, you name it. I was always looking for the best protection of those engines, and was blessed , or lucky, (I prefer blessed) to have only one engine failure. That wasn't a lube issue btw, professional mechanic mistake. Thank you for a new line of thought, take care.
@@user-pk2fg8im4u Hello Sir, Nothing at all wrong with your logic! Farmers are some of the most inventive, innovative and ingenious people there are. I would trust a farmer over some engineers. The fellow that invented the Cathode Ray Tube, which lead to the invention of the television, Philo T. Farnsworth, came up with the idea while plowing rows in his field. I don't believe he even had any formal engineering education.
I think as long as good maintenance schedules are adhered to the differences in filter choice is less important. I used to use Baldwin a lot on my diesel Olds. I'd get a case from the heavy truck parts shop. Take care!
I’ve used that exact B160 on my GMC 1500 for the last 3 years or so and it works great. You can get them for cheap at Govets which just drop ships them from Grainger.
I like fleetguard oil filters, good quality 👌
That Fleetguard appears to be made by Mann and Hummell, it is most likely identical to the Wix 57060. The more correct Baldwin would be B7443, both having the same bypass pressure. I use the B7443 on two different dodge trucks and they are great. I love your videos. Im an oil filter nerd too.
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Fleetguard produces their own filters.
@@mphilleo They may make many of their own oil filters, but NOT the topic filter. 100% confident made by M&H Purolator. No doubt.
I don't know. I kind of think the additional surface area more than makes up for the less dense media which probably helps marginally with flow vs capacity. Fleetguard has silicone anti drain back probably useful well below freezing. Overall they seem pretty equal.
If fleetguard is from Cummins, I would go for Baldwin. Filter area is king
Also, I just realized, a fun but educational test at the end would be shining a light through the cores of each filter to demonstrate how open or closed the louvers are. :)
Hi John,
I may try that on the next video I make and see how that comes out on a video.
Thanks for the suggestion.👍
Both nice average filters. Both have features I like. If you would put the Baldwin element, fleetguard antidrain back valve and Baldwin spring you would have a super filter.
Hastings/Baldwin, WIX and Fleetguard are excellent filters. With the quality of todays synthetics compare to old skool conventional oil our power plants are lasting much longer. Pay up front for good PM, it's cheap in the long run.
I agree,
Thanks for your feedback!
If the Baldwin had a silicone anti-drainback valve it would be a better deal. The coil spring would be more reliable and the higher by-pass pressure means that more oil will be forced through the media. 12 pounds on the Fleetguard seems awfully low.
Please test german SCT filters
FleetGuard is a better choice .. it has enough filter media for the size of the canister housing the main benefits are its filted rating of 98.7% at 17.6 micron is almost an absolute rating vs the Baldwin nominal rating at 18 microns and a absolute figure at 40 microns meaning 99.9% at that rating.. i would definitely go with better protection, smaller particles suspensioned in the oil vs higher compacity which won't make much of a difference based on the class of filters in Normal recommended service intervals .. plus the Baldwin allowing much more larger particle through didn't even need that much more media as it's doing way less work but people want extended service intervals
Thanks Pete
Fleetguard for the win.
Hi Jonathan,
You're Welcome!
I think the Baldwin is the winner since it has a significant larger filtration surface area 🤷🏼♂️
With more surface area, the oil will experience less pressure in the filter, negating the slight difference in nominal/absolute filtration rating 🤷🏼♂️
There's another youtuber I was watching, his oil pressure went up around 100psi, higher when he hit the gas. They were trying to find out why it was so high and noticed the oil filter had ballooned but didn't break/explode. Have you seen that before? First time I ever saw that. It was a typical metal cannister oil filter.
Hi Targa,
No, I haven't, if you ever get a hold of one of them send it to me and I'll open it up. Would make for a good video.
Fleetguard
Fleetgaurd is the best from my research
Dukeout goes fleetguard on this one.
Great video! These are both 2 of my favorites or go to filters, don't use the Baldwin much anymore but it is a nice filter. Used those when I had my Olds Diesels and was doing 2k mile oil changes. I really like the Fleetguard microglass media (all microglass). I've switched to the Fram Ultra, which is still a great value in spite of them cheapening it. The only complaint I have about the Ultra is that the XG-8 size that I use has smaller holes around the plate than most other filters (like Purolater). The Fleetguard I use is the LF3487. I bought a bunch 20 years ago and still have a stockpile.
Hi Vince, Thanks!
My Explorer uses the XG8A also and I have the same complaint, (the inlet holes look too small for me). I like the Purolator Boss because of the larger elongated inlet holes also if you don't mind spending the money the Fram Titanium has slightly larger inlet holes and still uses the metal screen backing. I'm going to be putting on the Fleetguard LF3487 on my next oil change next month and leave it on for one year and make a video out of it with oil analysis. I only drive about 5K miles a year. Thanks for your feedback! 👍
@@WhipCityWrencher I think the Boss is a great filter too. I like the Titanium (better than the Ultra) my problem is it's almost double in price for basically the same filter. I wonder how much longer it will have the screen. The only reason they did that was because of the single layer media. I just can''t see Fram running 2 different specs and lines on basically the same filter. But, they might have to keep it if Advance is that picky about their specs. I wish they would just adopt that 'Advance' base plate for their other filters. I wouldn't even care as much about the screen as long as the media didn't crush or blow apart. I really like the LF3487. They aren't easy to find. I had to go to a heavy equipment parts house. That Microglass media is really nice. I think it's less restrictive that some other all synthetics. I really liked the Motorcraft FL1A for my driver 3k changes. Used to be $4 at WM. Last time I was there $10! More than the Ultra. Crazy!
I saw your Explorer Odo roll video. Nice truck! I usually have a 'winter' car to keep my nicer vehicles rust free.
If you want to get an accurate wall thickness you need a ball/tube micrometer. Calibers are flat and can't measure a round part.
Fleetguard is better imho...
Better filter media (thicker, composite material combining two types, longer)
Better anti drain back valve being silicone vs nitrile.
Longer pleats higher micron rating 18.7 microns etc
Also Fleetguard filter media is thicker as well.
Fleetguard is the superior oil filter 👍
What's a better filter. For. Bypass opening. 8 psi. Or. 11 to 18. ? . Oil get to motor faster when starting when cold
I like both brands but I historically leaned towards fleet guard. No knock on Baldwin just a personal preference.
I give the win to the Fleetguard because it has better media and a silicone anti-drain back valve, looks like it is made by Purolator.
Can you please do a oil filter review of the K&n SO-1017 Vs Fram Ultra XG10060 they fit a 2007 Tahoe Z71, I been wondering what’s the difference🤔
Hi Alex,
It will be a while but I put it on my to do list.
That’s ok I appreciate man🙏🏾
That got ugly I'd like to see some more testing on the Fleet Guard. Both filters look pretty good and no metal shavings or excessive glue. Note Fleet Guard did supply Pete with a Data Sheet which tells a lot about the company's character
im sure the pricing 4 both filters is in the same ballpark?filter media would dictate when i would schedule the oil change.👍thank you again whip city!🤔
Hi Ivan,
You're Welcome!
Fleetgaurd is excellent but Baldwin is much cheaper but sufficient imo
Baldwin has sealant showing between the parts of the base end. Seen that on several filters now. Just now noticed or recent sloppiness??
Not sure where you see that, both filters were pretty clean compared to others I've opened.
@@WhipCityWrencher Just at the edge/rim of the business end, outside the 7 holes.
@@dwendt44 Wow good catch! I missed that!
I just dug up that filter and took a look at it and it's a blue sealant that goes around the base plate. I've noticed that on some other oil filters but it's usually a black color sealant.
Thanks for pointing that out.👍
It's ironic that the filter with the orange canister has a coil spring (Fram website! Fram website!).
Hi Jeff,
Not sure what you mean?
@@WhipCityWrencher Some here believe that Fram is the expert on making oil filters and the fact that they use a stamped leaf retainer spring means that the coil spring has gone the way of the dodo. Here in the Baldwin is a filter with an orange canister that is using the coil spring. They must not have read the Fram website!
No Contest !! The FleetGuard is the clear winner: Silicone ADBV; Larger Surface Area; Microscopic View.
Baldwin STILL pays the Coil Spring penalty (shorter element with less area, and heavy cannister).
I would run the FleetGuard for 5,000 miles -- and leave the Baldwins on the shelf.
@@jeffkortsch8276 Good morning, Jeff !!
It appears that you need some help with your spelling, or perhaps your keyboard is FUBAR, -- in any case , Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary tells us that the word "canister" can also be spelled as "cannister", which is my preferred spelling.
Your repeated, seemingly-intentional mis-spelling of the word indicates an emotional quirk or mental malady.
Seek help !
@@SlikLizrd Odd that when I had a preference, you attacked me like I said the Earth is flat. Maybe the Earth is actually a can(n)ister.
And of course, when all else fails, a personal attack from you is never far away.
I would probably buy the cheaper one that had the cleanest threads and neat glue job. I wish I could see inside. Maybe one day we'll have a pencil "x-ray" for like $49.99. haha. Anyway Baldwin will win the flow test here. More surface area is nice. But the glue looked like a qc fail
Is the Fleetguard oil filter only made for diesel engine vehicles? I have a Nissan car that I'd like to buy one for. Thank you.
No, they fit some gas engines also. What filter are you using right now?
@@WhipCityWrencher: A Fleetguard for a 1992 Nissan 240sx KA24de engine I went to the Fleetguard website, but it wasn't much help. Thank you.
@@WhipCityWrencher: Sorry, I answered your question wrong. Currently, I am using a Balwin model B113 oil filter. Thank you.
@@carbonsnail014 The LF3434 fits your vehicle. www.fleetguard.com/s/productDetails?propertyVal=LF3434&propertyField=home&language=en_US
@@WhipCityWrencher: Thank you very much.
It's sad to see all these filters wasted...
Baldwin all the way. That silicon on the Fleetguard is bad news