Dave Mays on Suge Dissing Puffy During His Source Awards, Beef Escalated After Jake Killed (Part 6)
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In this clip, Dave Mays talk about his thought process for starting The Source Awards back in the mid-'90s and the intent behind wanting to spotlight some of the brightest stars in hip hop. He details the business behind landing a television deal for The Source Awards and what it was like work as the producer for the live event. Dave Mays also talks about one of the most famous moments in the history of the show when Suge Knight indirectly condemned P. Diddy for his heavy presence in the music videos by Bad Boy artists, by implying that the CEO's dance moves were overshadowing the talent on his label's roster. And lastly, he discusses exactly how that moment helped jumpstart the simmering East Coast vs West Coast beef.
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Iconic moment, that entire 95 source awards was lit 💯💯💯
Definitely the most entertaining awards show I have ever seen in my life!
The Source Awards after the 95 one was very entertaining also!
That'll Never happen again. Not only did hip hop have genuine stars back then, but the music was great and matched the personalities as well. The performances by Bad Boy and the Death Row inmates that night have never been matched ever since.
How they gonna be mad about Suge's statement? Puff was literally all up in everyone's videos 😂😂😂
AND END UP BEING THE STAR
when his ARTIST dead locked up and broke
@@jamalvines2133 excuse me but how many Deathrow affiliates were dead, broke, and effed up in the game? Pac dead. Snoop damn near broke until he met P. Danny Boy broke, Daz complaining about money owed. Dre left with nothing and his talent built Death Row.
All in the videos, dancing and shit, every time no matter what.
@@MacMilly707 😆 true!
I bet Suge wish he was dancing in all the videos right about now
Why does he look like he's in Witness Protection?
That statement Suge Knight made that Night change the trajectory of hip-hop I watched it live
I'm surprised Dave didn't notice the affiliation between 2Pac and Death Row by that point. And there's a few reasons I say that. One reason is that 2Pac had appeared in the music video for Dr. Dre & Ice Cube's song "Natural Born Killaz" where 2Pac played a police sniper. The second reason is Suge Knight specifcally mentions 2Pac in Suge's 95' Source Awards speech. Suge says, "I wanna tell 2Pac to keep his guard-up. We're ridin' with him". And the third reason was Suge put a cardboard cutout of 2Pac in the very last jail cell on stage at the '95 Source Awards. (It's probably the most overlooked clue.) Suge was dropping clues at the awards to 2Pac joining Death Row and everyone missed it. The clue in his speech. The clue with the cardboard cutout. Suge was calculated that night and no one caught it.
Suge wasn't "dissing" Puff Daddy, Suge was inviting Biggie to Death Row. "Any artist out there who wants to "stay" a star, and doesn't want to have to worry about the excutive producer being all on the records, all in the videos, dancing, come to Death Row." In that speech Suge Knight referrs to Puff Daddy, but Suge was talking to Biggie. Everyone just focuses on who Suge Knight was referring to, and no one pays attention to who Suge Knight was actually talking to.
I'm sure Suge Knight knew that getting Biggie to come to Death Row was most likely not going to happen (Suge understands contracts) but you never know until you put it out there in the universe. (That was an open invitation to The Notorious B.I.G. to come to Death Row ) Keep in mind that Suge had just watched Biggie's live performance, and Suge then got on stage right after and subliminally invited Biggie to Death Row.
Great point of view,never looked at it like that.
No
@@westsidetillidieog Death Row never did a tour kiddo...you youngins really be reaching.
Suge could have been rich as hella on a island with 20 models & the biggest cigar in the world but he had to be Sure & f it all to hella because he thought he was something he wasn't. RIP PAC.
Suge and Death Row have been in business before Tupac came to Death Row. The Above The Rim soundtrack was put out by Death Row and Suge payed Tupac for 2 songs on that soundtrack that came out in March 94. Tupac also had a Nate Dogg feature on a song on THUG LIFE volume 1 with a beat made by Warren G in late 94. Also Tupac in the Natural Born Killers video mentioned earlier.
This the most told and untold story in HIP HOP.
Man the only reason Suge said what he said on stage because Suge booked BIG to do a show at 662 in 1995 and Puffy wanted the door (basically all the money they made that night) and this was after Suge let Puffy and BIG sample The Chronic for Ready to Die for FREE. He felt betrayed, but yeah let’s blame everything on Suge and keep making Puffy to be out this Angel
The other reason for suge beef with puffy was because of Mary j blige contracts being robbed by uptown and Andre harrel who was puffys mentor and Mary j blige and puffy being close and allegedly puffy was putting bad things in Mary j blige ear about suge back talking behind suges back which suge found out
I never knew this. Im 39, it amazes me all the behind the scenes shit Suge and Puff had going on. The dirtiest one made it out with no stains
And also because Pac told him prior to that he wanted to destroy BB and he was tryna sign dude so he just wanted the world to know who he was riding with
How do you know they sampled The Chronic for free
@@datniggaeazye.5968 he said this in a million dollars interview they interviewed suge recently watch the podcast
This the same B.E.T. Source Awards in which Andre 3000 said what he said when Outkast won their award for Best new artist. "All I'm saying is the South Got Something To Say"
Yea that whole show had iconic moments.
Mumbling?
@@donmacmilly naw our own culture. It’s New York rappers out there today who mumble so don’t just hate on the south.
3 stacks was and is iconic! Love that dude
My man looking like weekend at Bernie’s foreal….
😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️
That’s because black hair does not exist. It’s actually darkest brown. So when you over color your hair and beard black, you can look like man in witness protection w fake beard and wig.
😂😂😂
Thats Jon B uncle. They dont know about pur love
I cannot unsee it now. 😂🤣😂
Suge saying that at the source awards is a ABSOLUTE POINT in any multiverse
LOL! Factz!
dancin all in the videos!🤣
That will always be something edge into hip hop history period the power of words that start a coast to coast biggest CEO's !
Dave Mays looking like a Vato shot caller from LA
This is the most apt description of how he looks out of all the comments I've been seeing about how he looks
A big rise and change for Hip-Hop in that moment.
He looks like ice ts partner in New jack city
Wow he mentioned Mike Elliot! I remember him from a local rap video show called Krush Rap in Philly back in the early 90s. He went on to become a big-time writer/producer if i'm not mistaken.
They have way more footage of 94 with pac and 95 dr footage. They only share a bit but we need see all!
Took this dude over 5 minutes to answer the question
lol
Because that interviewer is trash, and can't pronounce words like they're and with properly, smh.
you wanted to hear some drama that didnt occur..he's a Harvard guy what did you expect a Wack 100 type answer?
Damm Dave thank you for the memories
Looking back at it.......Suge should've been all in the videos dancing instead of trying to be a mob boss
Exactly
Nah he should have played it like Russell Simmons or too dawg today and stayed out of the lime light and not appear in the videos and all over magazines in a red suit with his artist saying crazy shit. He should have only appeared in magazines if the were doing a big article about the label from a musical as well as a business perspective
Gotta be a doc on the 95 Source awards & it’s impact since…
I thought he was Ringo Starr at first sight.
I said the same thing. Dude looks like Ringo Jr. 😂😂
Suge was a visionary👀👌🏿 100,00 back then was unheard of for a show💪🏿 Now look were we@ 4 Production cost
Thank you Dave Mays
Anyone else think this was Ringo Starr at first glance? 😂
This one night changed hip hop forever
Shawn prez immediately switched topics after jake murder was mentioned cos he was a former executive at bad boy !
I noticed 😂 he’s close with diddy
Look like the po po from New Jack city😂
I hope they bring up the source awards that was in LA with all the robberies and shit
Great chronological order no one said this to my knowledge
anyone saying dave is bad is stupid he started the whole thing in college from scratch dude is a class act and made a company from the ground up that actually showed love to artists only those who know that era know how much love was really going around for the culture, even with pac and biggie out, just so many groups and dope artists.
Ok. And? He used his magazine to start a beef with another artist. After awhile they cared more about beefing with Eminem than they cared about putting out a decent magazine.
@@NickTheTowelGuy-iy3op youtube deleted my comment because i used a slur, but anyway you're wrong mays tried to keep the magazine straight but the new age editors and corporate influences aka sponsors ultimately ruined the magazine by switching the ethos from showing loves, to hating on artists. that's not on mays, that's on the editorial staff, get it right.
Yo Dave did you talk with that black-cent at Harvard?
I can honestly say that after watching so many of Vlad’s videos about the ‘95 Source Awards and the things that Suge had said about “executive being all up in the videos” and “come to Death Row.”, I can probably point out that this is or was essentially the tipping point in the East Coast vs. West Coast beef. After that, everything seems to fall into for Suge and for everybody that was involved.
Tupac signed with Death Row. Death Row was riding high. Then, the Big Jake situation happened. It feels like a perfect storm if events that couldn’t be predicted more clearly than before.
I agree with u, but I also think sure was gonna bait and troll the whole situation until it became what it ultimately became smh
DUDE LOOKIN LIKE "SALT BAE"
Word before the source awards the other award shows would just catagarise rap as a whole category which is crazy...theres just so many levels and styles to label rap as a whole and that's it...I was in MADISON SQUARE GARDEN THAT NIGHT I'll always remember that day went to H.S.CAME HOME HAD MY POLO OUTFIT READY BRAND NEW BOUGHT IT A WEEK EARLIER WAS LIVING IN ASTORIA QUEENS AT MY MOMS GOT READY HAD 350$ BOUGHT WEED BLUNTS AND A SIXPACK OF HEINEKEN AND A BOTTLE OF E N J TOOK THE N TRAIN to 34th street and seen different crews walking to M S G I WAS WITH 3 GIRLS 4GUYS AND MYSELF AFTER THE SHOW IS ANOTHER STORY EPIC NIGHT
This guy looks like Ringo Starr's long lost son... Ringo.Jr. 😂
Dave “Ya Know” Mays
close your eyes and listen to him talk.
Augustus from The Wire
For the true hip hop heads, you know that on Biggies Ready to Die album Snoops Doggystyle "tha shiznit" is sampled on the intro. And on the very first song "Things Done Changed" who's voice do you hear sampled on the intro?? None other Dr. Dre and his vocals from "lil ghetto boy" off the The Chronic. If Suge was sooooo bad why would he allow Bad Boy to use those samples of multi million platinum records for FREE???
Puffy knew he needed a clean image to get white corporate America to invest in him. But when you look under the hood, Puff and Big were nowhere near the innocent angels that the media portrayed them as vs Suge.
This dude takes 8 mins to ask one question.Damn.
I wonder if the '94 Source awards is also on video? Bernie Mac was hosting, that shoulda been funny.
Part of it is on CZcams… Where Tupac snatched the mic from Q-Tip and did a song on stage. I think it was called Out On Bail??? Not 100% sure on the song title tho bro…
@@michaelglazier9932 I heard that part exists, but I wanted to know if the whole thing is out there
@@lethal5flow679 The only footage that I know of is Pac rushing the stage during ATCQ's acceptance speech and Sticky Fingaz shooting up the place.
AM I THE ONLY ONE that notice how Shawn let Dave talk without cutting him off, VLAD would have chime in several times in this clip❗❗🤦🏿♂️
Damn we are still talking about this ?
These titles is crazy
According to Suge`s ex-bodyguard Reggie Wright. Suge dissing Puff had to do with Tupac joining DeathRow and Suge taking Pac side in the beef between Pac and Puff. Suge said the bullet that killed his friend Jake was meant for him. It look like Jake might have been caught up in a crossfire.
Nah jake was shot 3 times in the stomach and back while he was getting into a limo . Dude was right in front of him
Boston stand up!
This is what makes me MAD at BET. Interviews and Hip Hop History should be broadcast through them. But salute to the platforms thats giving us these stories
BET was bought out by Viacom years ago. Viacom owns MTV, VH1, no identity
@@jaysonloggins4737 BET didn't have Hip Hop history in their awards shows even before they were bought out.
BET is now Buffoon Entertainment Television
BET is for honkeys
wtf are you talking about, Rap City existed a whole decade before it got sold
Damn I thought 2pac was with death row already at that point in time. So long ago to remember the timeline
Nah, Pac was still in jail at that time. Suge bailed him out later that year
Can we start a petition to stop Shawn Perez from doing interviews.
😂😂😂😂
Why? Real question, no hate 🙂
@@koffiged Bc dude is AWFUL when he conducts interviews.
@@rashedakbar1538 yeah, but people complain about Vlad, and now Shawn 🙂
@@koffiged I will give it to him, he did well this time. He actually shut up long enough to let Dave tell his story.
You should of asked him why did the Source Awards stop after 2003?
Because Hip Hop died that's why Nas already told you after Jam Master Jay died it was in a state of emergency
@@timothyshorts8768 then why is it the number 1 music in America 2nd in the world?
@@dickiessantoro3251 its pop music tho for white people..
@@dickiessantoro3251 because the powers that be saw the money had a small time married and gave a Hollywood divorce which is the dumb shit you see now even Outkast 3 stacks himself tried to you
@@DjTheDon614 It’s shit music now… If it had stayed with MC’s and producers with actual skill, I might’ve thought differently today… But I don’t. NAS was right. True Hip Hop is dead… But so is rock… Sad
If you remember when death row was on stage performing at the source wards that night in one of the cells was a cardboard cutout of Tupac
One thing I disliked about the Source was they were chitting on Westcoast artist.. btw puff didn't take the high road he deflected and was like he wasn't talking about me but JD
FACTS. This notion that the East Coast ‘showed love’ to the rest of the country’s Hip Hop stars is a dayum myth.
Go ask other non NY pioneers (Geto Boys, Luke/2 Live Crew, Too Short) how they got treated in NY and by Source Magazine back in the day.
I don't know what he's talking about .. it was about 10 of us glued to the TV because we knew it was about to pop off nobody knew what but we knew it was about to pop off...
Why he looks like Captain Price
is it me or did he say that "tupac was at the awards" 2:48 and then say "no one knew that tupac was gonna be getting out about a month later 8:58 and joining death row" ?
Pac was NOT at the 95 Source Awards, he was still in jail. If you Google Suge's speech from that night, he shouts out Tupac, said something like we want to let Pac know we riding with him.
This guy talks too much. Damn, just get to the point already!
Did he ever answer the question
He took so long I ain't even give a fuck about the answer anymore
I don't know Suge, I mean the "executive producer all in the videos, dancing" seemed to work out well for Roc-A-Fella😁
Not in the long run though
@@eliminator173 not in the endgame, perhaps. The run was long though
Suge, played himself!!!
Nope, Suge slapped the shiet outta you
Anyone reading this should watch Drink Champs because they play the whole interview
Wolfman Jack lookin
All he seen was $$$ signs
Suge spent the money to promote all the artists on death row not for the source
Looks like he has on a joke mustaches and glasses set disguise
Eminem needs to understand that Benzino & Dave has done more hiphop than he could ever do. What’s done has been done already but many don’t want to pay attention to their accomplishments as much as Em’s.
Em brought more ears to hiphop and help make it the number one music in America and number 2 in the world after pop
As someone who bought every issue of the source until around 97, someone who lived and breathed hip hop, lived in a recording studio, etc - this statement is ridiculous. Respect to Dave Mays for making a once-great publication but Eminem is a whole entire other level. Nobody has changed the game, the landscape and the players like Marshall Mathers.
@@mattgray9297 what? Shut up. Nobody?! smh
@@mattgray9297 but it changed for the worse, because it became more pop and watered down
@@MrOgmack321 Puff was already doing that in 96. If anything, Em made actual skill mainstream recognizable. Being watered down was inevitable - but real lyricism still persists when it’s sought.
So basically Puff said he would settle things down and never did it (Typical Puffy). Then Snoop had to step out a d make his "Ya don't love us" speech.
Yeah, Snoop has a "selective memory" of that night, because he swears he was trying to diffuse Suge's statement, but he starts yelling, "we know where the f*** we at, we know ya'll East Coast!! The East coast ain't got no love for Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre?!!!!? He said some other stuff, but he riled the audience up even more and he was wearing all blue. He likes to forget about his part in the beef.
If u watch full video of suge that night he allready knew about tupac coming to death Row cause he said it in the begening
I had no idea that Canibus recently dropped a new album. I thought he gave up after the KOTD battle, but he made almost 10 albums after that.
What does that have to do with this clip?
Random as hell 😂
@@mr.mr.4772 HIP HOP, he is one of the illest MCs ever.
I thought suggs buddy named Jake got killed before the source awards? And that's why Suge Knight was mad at puffy.... At least that's what I thought I read but I could be wrong.... Dave Mays is saying Jake got killed after the source awards not sure if that's true or not
It happened at a Jermaine Dupri party in Atlanta. JD speaks about it. I’m not sure if that was before or after the Source Awards. I just checked, Source Awards was in August 95 and the shooting happened a month later in September 95
Who is Dave Mays
Damn if I know
The interviewer had a terrible transition to the GQ magazine
Right about now he wish he was all in the videos dancing
Just think if benzino would of just left Dave alone and let him do him how much more successful the source would of been.sad what happened..I still got source magazines and the last of them when they was dying all have story’s about Eminem in them and every other page is benzino and his crew and then pages of benzino conversations after that and then more benzino promo’s.. he couldn’t even rap and never had the look..he wanted to be a rapper so bad it was upsetting.Dave gotta realize this guy fuxed up the brand all over being selfish
Snoop needs to own up to how his lil speech on stage did more damage to the hip hop community than what Suge said.
No it didn't
@@carlosrob6494 suge dissed bad boy and asked a NY audience to come to death row. snoop basically dissed NY and said “y’all don’t love us” etc
@@travahnb.896 He dissed Puffy
No, the booing of every non NY artist that night (OutKast, Da Brat, 69 Boyz, etc) is what fugged up the energy. You get what you give.
sad that one evil greedy person caused so much pain. suge deserves to be in jail. hope he stays
To keep it a 100, Suge went after Puffy on some realness stuff . When he said it , some of us didn’t care about what he said , we was like yeah yeah , tell them suge. It did cause an uproar but looking back Suge was low key hating of bad boy and his behavior landed him in prison twice . It’s hindsight . Puff was a greedy record executive and now his bones are falling out the closet too .
He was on some straight up Hater shit big time.. He Even brained washed Tupac into that Bullcrap hater shit also.. HE USED TUPAC…Dissed the EAST COAST RAPPERS then wanted to open up death row records in East coast??? Can someone tell me where Tupac is from AGAIN….?
Thank you CASE CLOSED.
@@brainwashed1542 ALL COMPANIES BRAINWASH ARTIST. I SEE YOU DON'T KNOW BUSINESS.
SUGE ARTIST AT HOME AND MAKING MONEY.
PUFF ARTIST DEAD WAS LOCKED UP AND NOT MAKING MONEY.
SUGE PROVED HIS STATEMENT WAS RIGHT.
THE RECORD PRODUCER WANTED AND END UP BEING THE STAR. CLOWN
@@jamalvines2133 what ever you think I don’t know I very don’t care.. They Brain wash the average joe not everyone Tupac was so busy trying be thug than anything else he got lost in it.. If you can’t see that Suge was super hating on Bad Boy you’re blind as a BAT….
I don’t get it Tupac had no reason to be a Thug as smart and as Talent as he was…
He should have been the last person to feed into Suges Bullcrap and hate..
@@brainwashed1542 this was after puffy's good friend and vody guard killed his friend Jake robel in Atlanta that's what it's all about the whole fucking east and west and the deaths it starts with that a couple of people also say they were banging the same chick's and that eventually played apart but its just wild suge had the fucking world by the ear could have really made himself into the fourth big player and Segway into a big distributer the fourth one
@@sinceninetyeightysixgustof8122
That’s why I said he was hating because that was all he had on his mind he dissed a lot a rapper that had nothing to do with, he basically dissed the whole EAST COAST….? That’s a hater to me call it what you want..But you are right Suge had it poppin.. If he was a real businessman he’d still have that Empire
and be on a whole another level right now… But nope he lost focus and lost it all.. Don’t get me wrong Diddy isn’t a angel…..He’s on some shady shit…
But look where Diddy is and look where Suge is….
What's wrong with having your boy in the video everybody does it! he just happened to be the producer who also had some sick dance moves I still do the puffy to this day
Because Puffy over did it, that’s my only complaint about the Ready to Die album, Puffys annoying voice all over the songs
not the same AT ALL. You must be young. Have you heard Ready To Die? Puff's an EXECUTIVE PRODUCER why is he on the whole album ad-libbing? Why is he in the videos? Why is he being the hypeman?
The point was that he wanted to be a star himself
@@MaadAzzGang old enough to know that puffy is one of the greatest hip hop producers of all time. Where's Diddy at and where suge at. TAKE THAT.. IM DOING THE PUFFY WHILE I WRITE THIS TAKE THAT..
I GIVE UNCLE SNOOP CREDIT FOR DIFFUSING THE BOMB 💣 AT THE SOURCE AWARDS YET HE DID NEW YORK, NEW YORK AFTER THAT…SO IDK 🤷🏾♂️ HEADS HAD TO HAVE KNOWN FROM DEATH 💀 ROW’S OPENING SHOW, HEADS WAS SCREAMING 2PAC 👨🏾🦲!!!!
Surge is a real gangsta 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
The small group people around him were.
Embrace your age quit dyeing your beard and head
This ninja is at least 62
Puffy new evrithing about studio shooting simply Pac was crossed and thought about Biggie but Biggie didn't knew nuthing, that jealous y snake did evrithing and planed evrithing including Biggies killing and that I know frome man hoo was a 1 off them I mean a shooter, I know that frome prison, there was that peace off dirt, and puffy planed Biggies killing that shold know evrywan so make that to happen, 25 years passed, make that fore Biggie, fore my favorite artist and reall nigga hoo's name is 2pac!make that fore Suge and he's thing with that Sloun boun orr what's he's name is was a set up!this evrithing was played by Diddy and JZ that 2 rats planed holl that things include snitching on Bigg Meech that shold be told, that gey rat and enuther dirt with nose like a horse made all that sh...t
LAST 💩🤬
Who cares what he was mad cause he cant dance if dr was gettin all this money why they worrying about bad boy cause they was making them hits sk was in his feelings lol
Beef started when Death Row told you when Tim Dog diss L.A., or Compton. Nobody on the west diss nobody from NY. Pac did not like Puffy , Pac consider outsider to the west . Listen to west side connection bow down , they where select dissing Pac.
You reaching. That had nothing to do with that. Puff and Suge was friends before the Source incident. Theirs even Pictures of them together before the incident. According to Reggie Wright Suge ex-bodyguard,. Suge dissing Puff had to with Pac joining DeathRow and Suge choosing Pac side.
@@PPHDocumentaries I second that! 💯
Fuck Compton
Dam every interview boring without vlad!!! LoL
Wtf is up wit slims mouth and throat?? Ask the important questions SHAWN....lol
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Some Dumbasses accused Snoop of starting the east coast west coast beef because he went on stage and said “blah blah, Let it be known” now Dave Mays is crediting Snoop for bringing the peace and turning the hostile energy that night into something positive.
I agree snoop was on some passive aggressive shit
Post noti gang 🐐 pin this
He lying 2pac had a picture in the cell I know he knew it
Most people didn’t even realize it at the time I know I didn’t when I seen it live on tv and even after rewatching it, I never noticed till CZcams came out