Great interview of Dr. David Suzuki with Dr. David Bohm, physicist, colleague of Dr. Albert Einstein
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The above Dr. Bohm / David Suzuki (1979) interview shared by Reza Ganjavi (www.rezamusic.com) for educational, non-commercial purpose only. This is a great interview with Dr. David Bohm, the great physicist and colleague of Albert Einstein & Jiddu Krishnamurti.
The interview is conducted by the great Canadian David Suzuki, geneticist, science journalist and environmental activist.
His comment about memory being recorded in the brain is challenged today by Dr. Rupert Sheldrake (a friend of his) who exposed this myth of science in his book Science Set Free. Nevertheless Dr. Bohm makes many brilliant points in this excellent video.
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Shout out to the interviewer David Suzuki who made a marvellous job.
He broke the ending of the interview of purpose, unfortunately. Was his decision
No wonder they couldn't handle this man. He is just too honest. He revealed the utter nakedness of the emperor.
In this case, the emperor is the human ego, and it is destroying the world.
King, not emperor.
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I was thrilled to see this new interview of Bohm pop up, thank you very much for posting. For me, David Bohm is among the bravest and boldest minds in the history of science.
+Kahina K What SHE said!
+Kahina K I'll have what she's having....
James Carmichael Ha-ha--make it a double!
+Kahina K One of the greatest minds who has ever stepped on earth.
+Kahina K I think Amit Goswami is equally as forward thinking.
How has this man's deep understanding of the nature of our physical reality not become the paradigm of our times? It makes such sense, and resolves many of the problems that scientists seem to have with relativity and quantum physics, and is also so consistent with metaphysical descriptions of nature. Now that I know that Bohm can be seen and heard on youtube (I hadn't even considered that possibility before), I have many days of discovery ahead of me. And he speaks with Krishnamurti! My God, this is better than a 100 Christmases!
This. All the other interpretations are garbage, fail to make sense, and don't account for the full range of phenomena the way David Bohm does. Bohm should be taught in the schools yet only a fringe of people actually know of him.
Amen
Agreed, and it all goes back to the battle between the Copenhagenists (Bohr, Heisenburg etc.) and the Einstein gang...
As far as the Einstein camp (the anti-Copenhagenists such as myself) are concerned, quantum indeterminacy merely expresses our state of knowledge, not the state of the measured physical world. The particle *has* a specific velocity, location, and spin; the only "cloud of uncertainty" is the uncertainty of our *knowledge* about the particle.
The only "collapse" of the wave is a (positive) collapse of our knowledge. There is no collapse in the physical system being measured; the particle has a particular position etc. at all times, independently of our act of measuring and being aware of the particle's parameters.
This is all trivially obvious to the anti-Copenhagenists but as Huw Price points out, as I have always seen, the physicists adopted Copenhagenism by rejecting philosophical precision in their speech. They all made the cheating jump from "measurement impacts the particle" to "our awareness changes the particle".
In addition to Price's description of the philosophical crudeness of such philosophizing by physicists, I investigate the psychological reasons *why* they all made this cheating jump. They propped up Copenhagenism because they wanted the mind to have power, including metaphysical freedom. Such power of consciousness is removed if you adopt hidden-variables determinism as we anti-Copenhagenists do.
Copenhagenism is an invention of those with a covert agenda that lies outside physics: their real motivation for interpreting QM is to provide a safe haven for egoic metaphysical freedom and power, of a type that are not supported within a deterministic system.
Fringe Wizard YES. Bohm's model of "quantum" is so far ahead of the field it's laughable.
Yet, the universities will push & pedal the wholesale nonsense that is Copenhagen and discuss "many worlds" and "holographic universe," while acting like Bohmian mechanics doesn't exist. Physics friends have told me their experiences, which are parallel to my own as an Econ major.... I did not hear a word from or even hardly the _names_ of economists like Hayek & Mises. It's a similar absurdity to the QM world.
I suspect that the case is similar in many / maybe most majors & disciplines.
As he stated in this video, the theorists are too busy being theorists, and not applying it in a rational way. And this creates a huge gap in what is known and what is "useful"--in a sense of applicability to solve human and society's problems. In the other documentary Infinite Potential, about Dr. Bohm's life, it is possible to see how the academia shut him down, for his ideas weren't aligned with Einstein's or Bohr's. Now imagine that fifty or sixty years later, the "conventions" of what is being taught and the knowledge walls built by the academic environment are still present and going up. That's why this understanding is still not the paradigm of our times, unfortunately.
Marvelous. He starts explaining physics, then explain spirituality, then explains why the collective fails, all bound together. This line of thought is one of the best constructed ones I've ever saw in my life. And this was on the 70's. Fifty years later, we've still been running against each other and hitting our heads as a broken society in ways that really annoys me.
The incredible Dr.Bohm. How fortunate for us all to hear this!
I study physics and philosophy. Bohm's 'Wholeness and the Implicate Order' was a revelation to me and I'm still digesting it; I'm not sure I agree with its theses entirely, but it is profoundly original and genuinely startlingly insightful. It manages to articulate a deep metaphysical and aesthetic outlook that I feel comes intuitively but inarticulately to many of us. I imagine that this is partly why he is such a resonant figure with so many.
Personally, I'm a somewhat aspergic, clinically bipolar, bookish type who is prone to wilting as a shrinking violet on the most frustrating occasions. I often feel that I recognise and identify with some of the palpable awkwardness that I sense whenever I watch Bohm. To me, despite his endearing shyness, Bohm had the daring boldness of utter originality combined with quiet brilliance and a gentle form of courageous tenacity. His remarkable and unusual combination of qualities made him a fascinating and complex person. As a result of all these things, he is a personal inspiration to me.
It's always a pleasure to hear him talk; thanks for sharing the video!
Do you see a similarity to Robin Williams in his speech and mannerisms? This is my 1st viewing of him and 1st hearing of his ideas but i think he may be coming across as a bit to firm. I am very open and feel each idea has its merit no matter how rediculous it may seem. To me the ultimate in ridiculousness is to think you are absolutely right.
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Oh, how do you express yourself beautifully.
Bohm's relationship with Krishnamurti spanned about 30 years. I think bohm was able to recognize the falsity of the ego.
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Yes, this may well be the best Bohm interview. I've heard about dozen Bohm interviews, usually with Bohm sounding uptight and hard-pressed. Here he's relaxed, forthcoming and even lighthearted. All thanks to David Suzuki, a truly gifted interviewer, intelligent, articulate and sympathetic yet probing. And Suzuki throughout is openly sceptical!
Dr. Bohm and J. Krishnamurti- a great combination. Dr. Bohm simplifies and explains the topic in such a way that anyone can understand it, at least to some extent. Captivating. Thanks for making it available.
I love how he smiles a little at the end of every paradoxical statement. ;)
yes!!
At the end of EVERY statement 😊 I love that guy!
Most significant theoretical physicist of the 20th century. Love his captivating smile. A Secular saint!
in a hundred years this man will be revered as a saint, trust me. His intuitions are both mind-blowing and coherent from many points of view
All the ancient Rishis have been saying this for thousands of years.
@@SpiritualSchmuck Whispers from a graveyard. We must see now.
He’s very beautiful.
I am so grateful that David Bohm's work is getting the attention and reconsideration he so justly deserves. The explicate order we brought about compels us to think more deeply and comprehensively. This reality has become unfit for Human habitation. So, we migrate.
This is indeed a great talk. I have been reading JK for almost a year. David Bohm beautifully connected the dots for me. Thanks for uploading this.
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One of the best discussions of J. Krishnamurti. There are four parts of the discussion. Please do watch if you haven't already watched.
I always found the dialogues with Bohm the most coherent. He knew how to handle K ♥️
Appreciate this very much. I had only seen Dr. Bohm in dialogue with Krishnamurti. This interview was so enlightening on his thinking about science, philosophy and religion. Thank you. "The object of desire is not really desired at all it is merely a means to an end. " There's some Prajñā for you.
I recently discovered Krishna Murti and the discussions especially with David Bohm. I did not know he was a renowned physicist. His discussions with Murti made it possible for me to follow the thought treatise.
His name is Krishnamurti :-) Jiddu Krishnamurti.
This guy was a complete badass....such a humble affect, with such an incredibly deep and penetrating mind...great interviewer too...
Put a candle in a room and the whole room gets brighter.
Yet to maintain complete darkness requires infinitely more complex and continuous effort. This is precisely why the bad guys have never and can never truly 'win'.
A G. ?Do we need the bad to recognize the good . Ying and yang . However I do understand your point .
The light does not travel , the light only reflects himself if there's a surfaçe to be reflected is whon ilumination.Light is just a rate of indution in the Field himself by himself , is a pressure mediation of the field ( aether) himself.The Universe is an " effect" a projection like a simulation.
This is a beautiful statement. I am, however, going to hijack it when I say something smart to patronise and irritate my work colleagues
@@AG-SYS good point
"Parts are abstractions of the Whole; they have no independent existence apart from the Whole" - this is a marvelous insight. In a different way, this is what Zeno was trying to show with his paradoxes.
I honestly haven’t got a clue about physics but after listening to this gentleman I feel as if I know everything 🤯 how I wish he was my science teacher
Enlightening, I am just a lay person at physics, but he is fascinating. But his summation of J. Krishnamurti helps me to understand Krishnamurti's central teaching for the first time in my life. The human thought program controls you, not the other way around, and only observation of your feelings and relationships can make you see its stupidity and thus erase it. I am not saying this is easy, but it is possible, we should all try to see the pointless nature of much of our human programming.
yes, to understand krishnamurti. dr bohm is very good.
Every where I look all I see is a bunch if points.
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I too felt the same. It was when I heard his summation of Krishnamurti's teaching, everything i heard from krishnamurti started making sense to me. During the talk with K, though his way of finding an answer is totally different form K's way, he is so patient and is keenly interested in knowing K's way. Just like this man.
Krishnamurti always appears to intentionally mystical when he speaks, and condescending in his tone. I am so glad I came across this interview and David’s explanation of what Krishmamurti is saying. So yes I agree with you fully. I guess I should read K’s books to gain deeper insight.
and here we see finally; 'material and spiritual is all óne..'
Its our programming that separates them in our mind.
thanks for sharing!
Such an amazing deep understanding of the nature of things! Much gratitude for this man!
David Bohm was my first physics teacher at Birckbeck College.
good fortune for you - must have been amazing.
"Once you accept the reality of the Ego, there is no way out. The Ego is nothing but a structure in the Whole, which can come and go"
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Ego is just abstraction of whole, very very very limited.
This man is clearly a genius and so void of ego. He is exploring the gap between physics and consciousness and linking the failure of the human race's lack of progress with this lack of understanding. I am not lost on the irony of Suzuki saying we are out of time.
Thank you for sharing! Loved this interview. I think David Bohm is one of the great giant of the modern science. A true original thinker of his time particularly with the Implicate and Explicate Order. I am truly blessed to be sharing a time with you all.
The interconnected vision of the whole is part of you and you are part of that interconnected seeing; through Consciousness becoming the experiences. It is in the synchronicity that we can find our way out of this paradox. It is the focused energy that is from within Us that shine out there in reality as light. Energy and light. Light and energy. Two sides of the same coin beloved….. tis unconditional love. Love you all!
Dr. David Bohm, Interviewed Bye The Legendary, Dr. David Suzuki... Thank You Vary Much... It was watching Dr. David Suzuki on TV as a Child that intrigued me to enroll to M.I.T. :)
I was almost going to ask about the interviewer. Thank you so much for the information!!!
Newton and Tesla both said that if we don’t change our understanding about our reality.. we’ll always be stuck .. we can only go so far with our limited perspective..
I did not realize there was actual videos of Dr.Bo , how lucky are we that actually we get to see his interviews. This is amazing and just made my day !
David was my first physics teacher in Birckbeck.
WOW
what was he like?
I can't think of a better teacher of ANY subject, except perhaps Siddhartha Gautama.
SO many decades later, and yet so relevant to what is happening right now!
Seems that wherever I look; be that science or spirituality the answer is always the same. Hari Om Tat Sat
Autobiography of a Yogi deals alot with quantum physics and spirituality merging
In the future, David Bohm will be known as having contributed more to science and humanity than guys like Einstein and others and will be seen as more of a visionary and revolutionary thinker.
I just love him.. people that brilliant are often uncomfortable and awkward around the rest of us dumbasses .. Lmao.. He seems to have a sense of humor about that.he keeps checking to see if we’re following what he’s saying, but he’s not condescending 💕.
I’m enjoying the interviewer admitting he’s barely hanging on lol me too! It’s so enjoyable to listen to Bohm while trying to quickly examine and follow along at the same time.
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Thanks, Ganjavi, for posting. What a GREAT interview!
It is so elevating to hear such an interview. How he can make the very difficult very understandable. I think it may be the best I have ever seen. Thank you so much
Boy, he definitely was a pioneer. I bet his piers had a field day making fun of him. He just put it out there and didn’t blink an eye about doing it. His connection with Krishnamurti was the icing on the cake for both of them in their careers.
A great interview. It held my attention from beginning to end. No other scientists has ever been able to do that.
Blessings ❤️
Pure Genius, just love him! To be acted ONLY EVER by COLIN FIRTH in Mr Bohm's biopic :-)
When I grow up I want to be intelligent enough to actually fully understand what Dr Bohm is talking about and be able to nod convincigly each time he asks, "Is that clear?"
You may want to read some J. Krishnamurti - go slowly - it will open a lot of doors in regards to your point about understanding Dr.Bohm...
Dr. Bohm's whole demeanor emits a type of reverence lacking in the scientific community today. Excellent.
Thank you for posting this video. I have shared this with our group.
I just love Dr. David Bohm ideas and wisdom . Thanks for sharing such a brilliant video.
It is enlightening to hear how Dr. Bohm describes the power inherent in a simple "thought" and the quality of our attention. The attentive capacity, which is the primal essence of our human soul, is a creative force that both gives meaning and propels the direction of the our enfoldment-our reality. Attention seems to be the only way we can touch the primal vibrations at the core of our thought programming. Fascinating!
thank you for this upload! priceless.
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Wow! What a wonderful interview. The interviewer was great and David Bohm was able to really express his ideas accordingly. Thanks for sharing!
What an amazing physicist and man! I need to read his books!
A genius who could go deeply into sceince , spirituality and human mind
Except that the things he says on the scientific level are very long in the tooth. They would have been excusable at the end of the 1930s, but not in 1979.
Thank you so much for posting this! :)
David Bohm is an amazing man.
Thanks for the upload!
Brilliant... thank you david
The last twenty minutes of this interview, straight to the root!
it's so soothing listening to Bohm
Great interview. Thanks for posting.
This interview is amazing. I just discovered the Broglie-Bohm theory, mind blowing.
Genius..
Thanks for making available this video..
Simply brilliant.
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Very good talk . . the foundational problem of individuals, and mankind, is Separation . . . a program of Separation from the Whole, thus from people. Only in coming to know our innate Oneness will we "Think together" as Bohm said.
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Thank you for the confirmation Mister Bohm. Truth in One Whole Moment. x
Beautiful , inspiring, and brilliant ❤️👍
Superb!! Thanks for sharing +++
What a great interviewer
Brilliant! Some excellent comments below as well. I truly believe "we" can essentially conquer this thing (ego). Peace !
Ego doesnt exist so what are you transcending ,sir?
Seeing through it is enough
What a powerful interview
thanks for sharing. amazing. thank you!!
Thank you so much!
Very enlightening interview, indeed -- even from 38+ years remove.
This is so much insightfull, now I understand Krishnamurti! thanks
Most Excellent Talk ...Thank you
What a beautiful Mind, just the thought that someone can come up with these theories. Had to pause several times just to ponder on how fascinating the universe is
Grat man. So truthfull so simple.
Awesome thanks!
Great! Thank you.
12:17 "... all these things that seem to exist independently are merely manifestations of something much deeper..."
Manu Forster I like to think of it like each of us are a TV channel. All showing different channels, but all those channels from that same satellite beam.
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WOW! Thank you very much
l love science and quantum mechanics and physics are such enlightening and mystifying fields. I am always amazed and learning contently. Great interview. Great scientist and philosopher.
Also read the book "Unfolding Meaning" it is marvelous - has some of the aspects he is talking here
Bohm the Best - Wish he is still around
He was a beacon of pure intelligence among a scientist community mired in dogma and corruption. We could enable this reality to flow in a more benign direction if we took on board just a fraction of what he could see.
Well, he is being asked about physics here and he was, at least, 50-odd years behind the times. That's inexcusable for a physicist living in the late 20th century.
That was incredibly mind blowing.
This is a gold find... better grab a coffee
Great post, thank you
I just bought his book: The undivided universe. Can't wait to delve into it.
This is gold right here
Magnificent and clarifying
thank you
This guy did understudd there's only one field and pressures in that field , like waves on the ocean.Genious!
*Wholeness and the Implicate Order*, if you haven't read it, you're missing out.
Paddy Theosophist I came I saw I failed to comprehend his book!
Absolutely :)
Paddy Theosophist reading it. So heavy
I am reading it so heavy
YES
They made a very nice contribution to the combination of matter and meaning. david boom matte physicist of philosophy, krisna is the master of the introspection of meaning. These two everest meet in one place.
I love this interview; thanks for posting. I think Bohm's view of wholeness and implicate order (as far as I understand it) has much to commend it. And I think he is right on point in saying that the problems we see among humans are rooted in something that goes beyond individual circumstances (such as poverty) and even individual psyches. I would raise one caveat, though. If I understand him correctly, he's suggesting that what we perceive as "individual" particles and objects are abstractions that unfold from a wholeness; and similarly, what we think of as our individual psyches are also abstractions from a wholeness (presumably the very same wholeness). Up to that point, I think I agree. But he seems to say that since my individual "ego" is an abstraction, it's therefore fundamentally an illusion. Certainly he says that my individual anger, in many instances, is "nonsense," and that realizing this will help me think more clearly about the world. My quibble is that an individual ego's (or particle's!) being an *abstraction* doesn't therefore make it an *illusion*, or make it "not real." An individual's anger *may* be nonsense (and I would venture to say that it usually is!), but it's not *necessarily*. That's a logical leap that's not accounted for here. Which becomes clearer, I think, if we apply it to something besides anger--say, Bohm's own thoughts that he expresses here. If Bohm's individual mind which is expressing these thoughts is an abstract illusion with no fundamental reality, then not only his anger but also *all* his thoughts are, fundamentally, "nonsense." The only reality is the whole. But then why listen to individual thoughts? Why not go on unfolding in whatever way the whole would have you unfold? Why ask why at all?
In the end, I think what Bohm's view needs in order to supplement it is an Observer to observe not only the whole order, but also all of the individuals unfolding from it--thus granting a fundamental reality to those individuals as well as to the whole. But that, of course, takes us into Theism.
Thanks.
I wish they would have taught us about him when we were little 👦🏛📢🔬🔭🔎📚📝⚗☣⚛
even if you dont buy into his stuff about implicate explicate order, which i think is truly fascinating, he developed de Broglies Pilot wave interpretation of quantum mechanics (now called de broglie/bohm pilot wave), which gets rid of treating the universe like some statistical simulation and puts reality back on its pedestal even if one requires some non-local unfolding. that is to say, his physics is still closer to reality than much of how quantum mechanics is taught today (Copenhagen interpretation). Even though Einstein didnt fully buy into this theory (he thought it was too simple, where ironically his own theories were simple and elegant), he thought the statistical view was absolutely absurd: "god does not play dice".
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absolutely great)))
Pure genius!