We need to get rid of fakie stance. It doesn't make sense
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Fakie stance straight up doesn't make sense, especially compared to nollie. Fakie and nollie are opposites, and it just turned out that way because of how skateboarding evolved. But is it time to fix it and keep the stances equivalent? Let's talk about it. That, and these things too:
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6:25 Get rid of fakie?
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Fakie makes perfect sense when all stances revolve around the skater's natural stance. Fakie means Natural Stance riding backwards. It is simple to understand.
it also comes from the fish board aera where you ‚ve only a tail. there was no nollie. going fakie was the nollie from this time. it was the faked nollie (called fakie). and if you‘ve learned your first fs180, you can do it also fakie (looks like a nollie for outstanding) but your motion ist backwards fs180 (called fakie fs 180)
@@AEmotors From what i know the term Fakie originates from surfing, which was later also used in "street surfing".
He's not saying he doesn't understand I don't think you understand the point.
we don't need to get rid of fakie, we need to get rid of the distinction between rotational directions based on stance, and decide on one well-defined understanding of backside/frontside and nosegrind/5-0/etc in those stances.
for example, is the front truck on the rail? then it's a nosegrind regardless of where you pop it from
I've always agreed with this. However, I just thought of this: You do a 180 nose grind - it's not a 180 switch 5-0 - but if you were to kickflip out, even though it's on the nose, it's not a nollie flip. It's a switch flip out. As odd as it sounds, I suppose it would be a fakie nollie flip since it's moving backwards but on the nose. It's weird, so I've come to terms with the different ways we say tricks as long as we understand what's being communicated.
Facts, like a fakie crook, it’s technically a fakie suski , but because Suski grinds are only considered one when it’s done backside, “fakie suski” doesn’t work for FS too. So I think folks just say fakie crook to make it easier. But calling it that conflicts with an actual fakie crook (looks like a switch 5-0 ). This shit can get too damn confusing lol.
Frontside & Backside is the skater's the approach. It's simple to understand. The terms were invented with kickturns and applies to all grinds and rotations perfectly.
Fakie or the other hand means riding backwards with your natural stance. So you're riding backwards. The tail is still what you're popping off when riding fakie. The front end of the board is still your natural nose riding backwards. Think natural nosegrind while riding backwards. Simple. (In the average mind it would be a fakie ollie to switch 5-0, but it's just a nosegrind while riding backwards.) (Nollie has nothing to do with switch, Nollie is a natural stance nose ollie.) (Switch is your unnatural stance. It is standalone.)
Well said. Agreed
@@trashvomitstudios what a bad take... the tail has nothing to do with the direction the board is facing, some board shapes have a tail with a shape distinct from the nose...
fakie only refers to stance, and everything that happens after the pop should be held to uniform standards
Skateboarding is infinite maan, you can't subtract from infinity maan
Fakie is a feeling
This is important
sometimes i call Fakie "switch nollie". just to goofy around
Ohhh you are good…
Me too 😂
Frontside & Backside is the skater's the approach. It's simple to understand. The terms were invented with kickturns and applies to all grinds and rotations perfectly.
Fakie or the other hand means riding backwards with your natural stance. So you're riding backwards. The tail is still what you're popping off when riding fakie. The front end of the board is still your natural nose riding backwards. Think natural nosegrind while riding backwards. Simple. (In the average mind it would be a fakie ollie to switch 5-0, but it's just a nosegrind while riding backwards.) (Nollie has nothing to do with switch, Nollie is a natural stance nose ollie.) (Switch is your unnatural stance. It is standalone.)
We don't really need to do anything, fakie is backwards, everything else isn't. It's that simple. New skaters need to learn and respect the history of how tricks got invented or else we end up with stupid wrong instagram names for tricks that have been landed 30 years ago.
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i like fakie cuz it means backwards on bikes so a fakie manny on a skateboard is thought of like a backwards manny and thats cool and easy to understand 😊
Even though you muted the song on Rodney's thps2 video it still played in my head
Nollie is more difficult because it's the opposite of what you've been doing all along. Having to fight the muscle memory to learn to pop and flick with the opposite feet is the point, in a fakie ollie you're popping and flicking your normal way.
But then the same can be said for a switch Ollie. This is why it throws some people off. All of the arguments for why we still use falie also applies for switch, but when it's a switch and when it's fakie aren't universally applied.
I feel like half of the people who misname fakie tricks, especially on CZcams, just do it to annoy people. It drives engagement and it absolutely works 😂
the terms make more sense on old school boards then our modern more symmetric boards. Nollie would be popping off the tiny nose while fakie would be riding backwards and popping off of the giant tail. In theory you could say a switch nollie would be popping off the tiny nose but switch.
The way I understand it there’re 4 stances. Regular, Fakie, Nollie, & Switch. To get rid of the term “fakie” would be erasing history… for instance a fakie nosegrind is referred to as such because when it was invented “switch 5-0’s” were not a thing. Yes perhaps someone had did one but they were not mainstream… So we keep calling it “fakie nosegrind” instead of “fakie switch 5-0” or “switch nollie 5-0” which all describe the same thing. I started skating in ‘86-‘87. I do notice the newer generations prefer calling it the different way. For instance what I call a Noseslide to 180 nosegrind the younger guys will say it’s a noseslide to switch 5-0. I prefer 180 nosegrind as I started the trick in regular stance and as mentioned due to history. “180 nosegrinds” were more typical / happened before switch 5-0’s. But I’m a living fossil of a past time so I will have to adapt and accept what the new generations prefer. But I do not think we should “erase history”. Now the backside vs frontside thing needs a makeover way more than fakie vs “switch nollie” imho. My understanding is it always pertained to riding vert… but for some reason we still call a fakie frontside 180 just that even though your backside is leading the way…
When I started skating ( on 30x10 boards with no kick nose ) fakie was just riding backwards. It was a lot more obvious as the board only had a tail at one end. We normally used it meaning a landing, so if you did a 180 off a ramp, then you rolled away fakie.
With modern symmetrical boards then it doesn't really have as much meaning
Or it has more constant meaning
We should also say "toeside" and "heelside" instead of "backside" and "frontside," but we never will.
for what purpose though?? they both mean the exact same thing
@@catethps back/frontside revolves around the forward path of the skater, toe/heel revolves around the skater themselves.
@@kingraptor11 how does it revolve around the forward path? i suppose something like a fakie frontside flip doesnt revolve around that concept but it makes sens if you just say its the same thing moving backwards
@@kingraptor11 frontside and backside is based on rotation. if you are regular stance frontside is counterclockwise spin in all stance expect for switch. backside is a clockwise spin in all stance except switch. for switch you call it like your goofy footed.
@@StevenHim318 Nope. If you skate regular, a regular back 180 is clockwise, a switch backside 180 is counter clockwise. If you skate goofy a regular backside 180 is counter clockwise, a switch back 180 is clockwise.
Switch stance generally has a higher level of difficulty than fakie. Referring to fakie as switch nollie is an insult to those that can skate switch, and I can’t skate switch. I think it’s worth mentioning in this conversation, that Rodney Mullin doesn’t acknowledge switch as a stance. According to him, you’re either skating regular or goofy foot. I don’t know his feeling about fakie though .
Wow agree totally. It IS taking away respect of those who can switch . And those who can fakie
Rock to fakie with no fakie is just a rock, and I can get down with that
Rad Rat is a nerd. We all are. Its funny ive been doing action sports since like 93... so ive seen all the games. I was already a less than jake fan before I played street sk8r.
Fakie makes sense. Also in skateboarding tradition is good. Yall are now in the olympics and the sport is trendy or has been. I mean everyone has been wearing thrasher shirts and vans.
So some traditions are good to keep to keep the sport close to its roots. Im a rollerblader. Our sport is still close to its roots.
A fakie frontside 180 makes sense if you think of it as a second half of a frontside 360
I think people view the whole fakie, nollie, switch nollie, too differently for people to agree. Each way makes sense but its just what ever is the agreed language. I use to think fakie 5-0 was the back truck doing the 5-0 because in my head i had is as front truck is always nose grind and back truck is 5-0 regardless of stance. I now know that to be wrong but in my head thats how i always call it.
This is how it should be!! The nose should always be the front of the board in relation to direction travelled. It doesn’t matter how you pop, if you are grinding on your front truck, it’s a nosegrind. To me fakie is “switch nollie” not regular riding backwards.
@@mtgguiltfeeder4111yeah but the whole point of Fakie is that you are doing tricks backwards. That’s why fakie 5-0 makies sense cuz it’s a 5-0 but bwckwards
@@David-kx7tz And that’s nonsense to me because you can’t skate “backwards”, you are standing switch and popping off the nose. The problem is when Fakie became a thing, no one really skated or had even conceptualized switch stance yet.
Hey honey I did switch mongo today
I’ve observed my natural stance... I know people love old mongo switch footage. But to push switch (goofy for me) I just grab my board with my right hand. Throw it down and catch the tail with the tip of my right foot. Push it back behind me so my front foot is on the front bolts, shift my weight to front foot and push off.
But on a ramp coming down fakie is different, and going up fakie there’s not much to do but half cab.
You can ride up to coping in fakie going backside, do a half cab and lock into a frontside 50-50, and come out in your natural stance. The nomenclature is the easy part.
i started skating in 1985 and this is how most people i know view the whole ollie, nollie, fakie, switch thing....
the only time a trick should have a different name for the opposite position imo is half/full cab tricks. these are only for fakie 180s/360s. the opposite is just nollie 180 and nollie 360. other than that every trick combo name is based on how you start the trick. there is no need to add extra descriptions to a combo trick. ollie, nollie and fakie all lead to regular grinds, slides and manuals. here's a really easy way to look at it.... if you start out ollie, nollie or fakie and whether it is fs/bs, regardless of doing the trick straight or turning 180/360 into it.... picture whatever you would call the grind, slide or manual as if you are rolling forward and that is how you describe the trick. if you start a trick switch the entire combo is switch. when people say 180 to switch crook, (meaning turning slightly more in the air than a tailslide and landing in a "switch crook"), that's just not right. that is simply a bs or fs 180 to suski. a "switch 180 to regular 5-0" is just a "switch 180 nosegrind"
and why is there bs overcrooks, but no fs overcrooks?!?!
No fakie is steezy
Isn't fakie the only way to indicate you are going backwards in your natrual stance (regulary/goofy) and sort of what foot you are using? Let's say you are regular. Ollie with right foot, nollie with left foot, but fakie ollie is done with your right foot so nolie and fakie are not the same.
I appreciate your well thought out opinion, but I disagree about the stance questions. For me, and probably for many other skaters fakie and nollie are not equivalent, they just feel inherently different, and I've always felt that way, no matter how comfortable I've felt riding switch in general.
Edit: Also, the fact that most modern boards are not quite symmetrical creates a clear difference in feeling depending in which end you use as the nose and/or tail. Unless, I suppose, you skate your board both ways consistently, but I feel like not many people do that.
Who's gonna be the first to start saying "switch nollie"? We are. You are. Anyone who thinks that's a decent way to describe what used to always be called a "fakie ollie." After all, THPS *did* use this phrasing over 20 years ago. Prescriptive pedants might not appreciate the change, but who cares? Let them be mad, they'll still understand what "switch nollie" means.
We don’t have to change the name of anything, just simply agree on a few different questions overall. Is Fakie, Switch but popped off the nose, or regular but riding backwards?? To me, there is no “riding backwards”. The nose is always the front of the board in relation to direction travelled regardless of how you pop. Everything in skateboarding (save for very few shorthand named tricks, Cab, Suski, etc) is symmetrical. If Nollie = Ollie but popped from nose, then Fakie = switch but popped from nose.
I’m with you on the direction of Frontside vs Backside. It SHOULD be just as you describe, if your facing forward (relative to direction travelled) at 90 degree rotation it should be Frontside and so on.
11:15 exactly broooo when your friends look at you crazy and then you just say…. “ I mean switch for you” lmao
Well..... I can't fully agree. I mean, the literal pose when riding backwards _should_ be different. Someone can ride up a ramp and take the switch stance to prepare for a then forward facing trick. At that point; it's no longer fakie. But if your posture and attitude is still predominantly facing backwards when going down that same ramp, then it _has_ to be fakie. It's just a very different stance. As for rotational direction defining what is frontside and what is backside.... yeah I've got HUGE issues with what people consider frontside and backside for tricks. The logic is broken. But at least fakie, as in 'riding backwards', makes sense.
I love the difference in general about the difference in style of fakie and nollie
The difference isn’t different. It’s just the difference
But then for some reason everyone just accepts “fakie front crook” as a fakie Ollie into a switch front crook?? But technically it’s a fakie front suski?
I've heard being called fake switch crook in competitions but yes it is technically a fakie suski
I've always though fakie *feels* different than switch and also looks different. A half cab feels and looks different than a switch nollie 180 right?
switch/nollie makes no sense, you are either riding switch which is facing forward on you unnatural position or you are riding nollie which is riding on the nose after pushing on your regular position .
@@Kazperian yea so if you are skating forward in switch and then start riding on the nose after pushing... switch nollie
@@dustinhawley1896 why would you call it two different stances instead of just one... "fakie"
@@Kazperian do a switch kickflip, call it a switch kickflip. Do a switch Nollie, call it a switch Nollie 🤔
@@dustinhawley1896 bro wtf is a switch nolllie? It's like saying go south north. Its either one or the other can't be both.
I use the term fakie, but I'm ok to start using switch instead. Let's DO THIS!!!
switch nollie will be the thing now or later. if we skate long enough different terminologies can relatably easy to understand. there's also a board company called switch nollie. go check em out!
This is a subject I get very passionate about. Stop trying to change the trick names, and especially the stances. Just learn the terminology properly and use it.
Been calling it fakie for 23 years 😅
If anything, nollie tricks should switch the fs and bs tricks. Why is a fs front shuv in nollie stance called a bs front shuv?
Nah.
Fakie is pretty fundemental to the process of learning tricks. Also, you're comparing Fakie stance to Nollie when Fakie is more comparable to your regular stance. Nollie is comparable to Switch as you pop with what is normally your front foot in both stances. Fakie isn't a "Switch Nollie." Nollie is Switch Stance but rolling forward in your regular stance.
I wish a day would go by where I didn't have to argue over what a fakie rail trick is called 😂
If you're on the rail with the front truck in the air and the back truck sliding down parallel to the rail, it's a 5-0 and nothing about it is a nosegrind, I don't care how you got into the trick... with how widespread calling a 5-0 a nosegrind in the pro community, it's obvious that skate tricks need a more rigorous basis for classification
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I think it's pretty ok as it is now, it has an element of progression. Maybe some time most new skaters will develop both stances from the begining (some are this way right now) and then it will make more sence to get rid of it.
I mean i'm of two minds. If fakie doesn't exist then there isn't really a way to describe doing tricks in a backwards direction. Switch nollie would be shoulders facing the nose in switch stance. Fakie would be shoulders facing the tail. That's the way i've always thought about it. While it is annoying, fakie is too culturally engrained now to remove.
Also as for switch nollie vs fakie, imo fakie is better because it is faster to say than switch nollie, which just sounds kinda akward.
Just think frontside half cab is the other way and you won’t forget…
It's so easy once you've realized Regular, Nollie, and Fakie are all clustered together - and then switch is something different
why is nollie clustered with reg and fakie?? switch is more like nollie than reg/fakie
@@catethps I hear you that it is nonsensical, but it is what it is. Accepting it as a rule is just as arbitrary as any other.
Fakie to fakie is just switch stance for vert and sounds better.
Ive always thought about making nollie finally a stance instead of just a trick. Since skateboarding is so advanced these days having every stance would be way better. But just 2 stances like you said works to!
The way I picture it is bs and fs is decided by what side the tail spins relative to the central point of the skater. So in all stances except nollie you pop off the tail and nollie is off the nose. So if you do an fs180 in any stance the tail would go in front of you if you didn't spin with the board which results in nollie spin directions being different to the other three stances.
Why not switch fakie? Nah, just keep it like it is.
The one that confuses me is fakie to front truck grind is fakie 5-0 but if you tweak it then its fakie crook
lol same. calling it a fakie suski just doesnt seem right
people call it fakie switch crook
Two things about that Switch Nollie vs. Fakie topic:
1. I agree that the terminology is not logical. And to me it's not even about facing forward or backward mid turn. Cause that's not consistant anyways. E.g. if you do a FS boardslide you're also ass front even if it's called FS.
I think what makes it so illogical is that it breaks symetry. A switch FS 180 is a mirrowed regular FS 180. But a fakie FS 180 is not a mirrowed nollie FS 180.
So to me, it would be also fine if we would get rid of nollie and call it a switch fakie ollie. I know it's a bit too long for such a basic trick, but that brings me to my next point...
2. Nollie is not a stance. It's a trick. If you just say nollie, one assume there's a pop involved. This makes it hard to call mini ramp tricks without pop. When you say nollie disaster it's not clear if you just have to turn into it over your fron truck or if you have to do a propper popped nollie 180. Maybe there's a special name for the non-popped version, but I never heard anyone saying it.
Bonus: The switch and fakie stuff gets even more confusing with other sports that are using the sk8 terminology but messing it up on their own. E.g. in Snowboarding you say cap 540 even if it's more switch than fakie. In Skiing riding backwards is called switch even if it feels more like fakie to me. And what's even worse is that a switch frontflip means you're riding backwards and flipping backwards. To me that would be a fakie frontflip or a switch backflip. Once such a messed up terminology gets widely adopted there's no turning back.
A nollie front shove is exaclty what it sounds like. So is a fakie hardflip (not varial flip).
The next time someone makes one of these videos, I have no more to add. We'll just have to change the name and take the L hahaha (I think video games are the main culprit of these errors, devs aren't always skaters). Also you explaining to someone how to half cab, and having to explain how nollie is different because your stances are different and you have to go switch so they understand visually. I can see how that is a rabbit hole to avoid haha but beginners don't always have to know it all!
I always feel like there id a difference between fakie and "switch nollie". I can do eg a shove it both ways. If its fakie, my body, shoulders and toes point backwards, whereas when I do it "switch nollie" everything faces forward. Looks completely different to me, although the board does the dame thing ofc.
But maybe it qould be too tedious to keep these two things apart.
Havnt watched the video yet .. but fakie is my best stance 😢
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I think this is where being a big overly technical, perhaps, can just make things a bit too tedious, just for the sake of knowing exactly what a person is doing, for 1 frame of a photo. I think it pretty clearly explains, at least if you've had any exposure to skateboarding terms, what is happening. It looks like you're about to nollie, but you're not, so it's a fake nollie: fakie 🙃 and if you come down from a rock and roll or something, with your back foot heading in the forward direction, are you standing in switch nollie? I guess you could say that, if you wanted, but it just sounds odd I think.
Fakie makes sense when you think of learning trick progression. Gonna make just as much sense when a kid cant nollie, cant do anything switch but they can "switch nollie".
Sorry, but this "get rid of Fakie stance" sounds a bit clickbaity. Everyone who skates for some time knows how much the Fakie stance shares more mechanics with the Regular stance than Nollie. A Halfcab Flip shares so many mechanics with a BS Flip, a Halfcab Noseslide locks in the same position as a Noseslide. Changing it to "Switch Nollie" is kinda dumb because it doesn't ring any bells on skaters who experienced all stances 🙃
It gets even dumber when you think about trick semantics, "Fakie" is a unique name, so people recognise it faster. By saying this was a "Switch Nollie Flip" people will visualise first all other stances before Fakie.
I would rather go the other way so than nollie was called “switch fakie”. That makes more sense in terms of understanding the difficulty of each trick
I like switch nollie, sounds funny but makes sense
Fakie is just your normal stance but riding backwards. So for trick names just what did you do if you were standing still, then add fakie
Petition to call nollie switch fakie
imagine either hip having two points rear and front … Forward (either stance) is the front point leading…. Fakie (either stance) is the rear point leading….. this in my opinion matters as the intent of switch and or normal stance in reverse aka fakie…. that subtle difference is the change in intent and the nature of the expression…. we have krook vs nose grind as one of many examples of the “same trick” with a Subtle difference… my fakie ollie looks like a nollie so technically it’s a switch nollie… but i don’t call it that. yet homies be like “was that a nollie?” i thought you skated Goofy stance ? … so yeah the subtly matters…
nah man it's good the way it is, everything fakie makes perfect sense to me. it's skateboarding backwards, super simple. tricks are named based on how they feel and the technique, not necessarily how the look. i like it that way it.
Fakie could be another one way of saying switch nollie. But fakie is as legitimate as nollie. But fakie and nollie only count if you do fakie and nollie tricks off the nose. And switch only counts if you pop using the tail
Fakie means backwards. Nollie is off the nose in your natural or dominant stance. Switch is anything you do in your non dominant stance. BUT if you wanna get really good at rdoing switch stance tricks just thing of them as fakie.
I'm gonna call switch nollie as "snitch" from now on heheh
Couldn't disagree more about the fakie thing. I think it's really cool and preserves some great history of skating. Other sports/activities tend to have verbiage that reflects their history as well.
I have no problem understanding fakie or its trick naming lol
Switching fs/bs for nollie and fakie is so dumb. Saying fakie is better for it being shorter. By the time you realize nollie means nose Ollie youve probably already learned what fakie means.
If the board does the rotation of a hardflip, and you do a 180 thats a frontside flip. Otherwise your calling a virial flip with a 180 a front side flip because of the direction your standing on the board... I love doing fakie hardflip but its a fakie bs flip if I spin with it... nah I am doing a hardflip and a 180 aka fs flip.
It should be switch nollie but we will never call it that.
I honestly dont understand why wether you have your back or you front facing forwards doesn't determine the name
Switch Nollie sounds worse. I don’t mind the term Fakie, but there are some terms for tricks that are completely different than any of the other stances, just like you say. It’s kind of dumb that a Fakie BS Tailslide is where you are facing the ledge. It’s counterintuitive
How about nollie and switch
so fakie bs tail will be - switch bs noseslide? : D
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I just thinkn you're way over complicating the fakie thing, bro.😂 Fakie is that way for a reason and will always be that way.🤙
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the real difference between sw and f is shoulder position. fakie is riding backwards in nollie you are riding forward. Actually, more terminology is needed.
You saying it should be switch nollie or something? Unsubscribed.
Switch Nollie?! Oof. That does sound weird. Then you would be switch nollie front 180 back 50-50'ing, when you could just half cab 50-50 or half cab front 50-50. Which would be switch nollie front 180 front 50-50. I mean if you wanna sound smart...lol
Half cab 50-50
Half cab front 50-50
Frontside Half cab 50-50
Frontside Half cab front 50-50
Nollie front 180 switch back 50.
Nollie front 180 switch front 50.
Nollie back 180 switch back 50.
Nollie back 180 switch front 50.
All perfectly good trick names.
Nollie half cab switch back 50-50 makes sense, but the name is no shorter than before.
Nollie front 180 switch back 50-50 feels kind of redundant too. But it totally works.
Now Nollie half cab switch 5-0... would it be the same as a fakie 5-0? Hypothetically.
(But a half cab nosegrind is the same thing as a fakie 5-0, so it is proportional to
half cab rotations and whether fakie stays in regular and nollie goes to switch slides/grinds. It makes more sense than the fakie 5-0 alone, which is in fact backwards)
Who knows. It's too different. We'd have to change the name of all the abd's.
Same thing for fakie, if we did switch nollie, we'd have to change all the names in the books.
It would take 1984 levels of effort to do that.
It's easier for me to do flip tricks fakie
bro....bro! i can ride nollie and fakie! i can do nollieflip krooked and fakie flip ss kroked and you know how i learned nollie flip k? doing fakie flip k! and you know how i learned ss k? dong fakie k! you just mimimi!
I think the distinction is in the direction your body or more specifically your hips are facing, or maybe it's more intrinsically about which direction your mind feels you're facing. It's weird but I feel totally comfortable doing a disaster on a ramp but a rock to fakie feels scary cos I feel like I'm going down backwards. It's basically all mental.
Switch doesn't exist either. A kickflip and switch kickflip are the same thing, your preferred orientation on the board is irrelevant in a cosmic sense.
Fakie is literally regular just backwards. Nollie is switch but backwards😂😂😂
Nope. Fakie is closer to switch than normal. I push switch to get to fakie on flatground. And Nollie is closer to normal stance than fakie. I push in normal stance to get to nollie......
@@haroldcampos9661 it is literally regular rolling backwards wym!? 🤣🤣🤣 You pop off the same foot, you flick with the same foot.
@@infinatfadez7909 But you don't have your foot on the kick of the board. You have your foot on the nose. In the case of fakie, it changes your stance to switch. In the case of nollie it switches your stance to regular. Fakie and switch are similar, as is nollie and switch. And nollie and fakie. They're all similar in some ways. Doesn't mean they're all one thing. They're 4 different stances. And no you can't face backwards while rolling, that doesn't exist. Let's just say the skateboard has no reverse gear. It's not a funny joke if you got 2 trolls doing the same thing. There's plenty of good info here, and there's no reason to dilute the thread just to be a troll. What do you wanna prove, that I'm stupid for biting? Lol... not that funny or clever.
Even on a back lip you have to turn your head to look over the shoulder and use your peripheral.
Show me one trick that is considered an ABD where the person doesn't look at the obstacle as he approaches it, during the trick, or to roll away. You know it's cockamamie theory.
@@haroldcampos9661 dude you are so bass aackwards its insane. If you're rolling fakie your popping foot is definitely on the tail🤣🤣you are trying to be right so bad that you're confusing yourself on actualities. Like what? There is no reverse gear??? You can literally roll backwards you goofball. That's what fakie is. That's why people can do tricks fakie and not switch or nollie. It's literally your regular stance just doing a 180.🤣🤣🤣
@@infinatfadez7909 So you push backwards? Which way do your knees bend bro? There's no way. You push switchmongo don't you?
Love this series. Any plans for a Retro Rippers episode soon?
Would you switch to saying 'switch nollie' if some big name pros got behind it?
I think keeping it as "Fakie" but describing it as "Switch nollie" would be good.
Would you switch to saying switch fakie for nollie? :D
for grinds the easiest way to describe the trick is fakie ollie to swtich fs noseslide , its easier to visualize then switch nollie to *switch* fs noselide ,
Switch nollie is equally confusing because you're popping off of the same foot as a regular Ollie. It would be better to call nollie - switch fakie Ollie, but that's a mouthful and would require you to rename boardslide tricks because a fakie back lip switch analog would be switch fakie front board. Idk I think that's a whole other topic honestly because the rail tricks make no sense. IMO a fakie back lip should absolutely be a fakie to switch front board because of how your shoulders are pointed when you are sliding.
No.
I still dont understand the problem, are we that bored as a community? Fakie is going backwards, not rocket science. Nollie is front foot of the nose in your normal stance, switch is opposite and ollie is anything of the back foot in your normal stance
Fakie is not just going backwards lol
unless you count a frontside half cab...
@@haroldcampos9661 fakie is backwards, please explain when it has not been going in reverse-backwards etc...
@@confrex4256 When your toes and face are pointed forward with shoulders open, I would absolutely not consider that backwards. When you are pumping on a ramp and come down fakie you look towards the bottom of the ramp as you start coming down, if it was backwards you'd be riding down the ramp looking at the sky.... or you'd be riding towards the coping looking at the bottom of the ramp. I'd rather call it riding switch or switch nollie than 'backwards' even though the term 'backwards' does make for a good gag. I hope you're joking, my friend! There is no backwards in skateboarding, only forwards. Using the nose to pop is nothing like going backwards.
@@haroldcampos9661 Dude that is the looseses def I have ever heard, to each their own, but I've been skating since the middle 80's. Fakie has always been any trick in your normal stance going backwards. How you set up your body in order to look where you going is irrelevant. But if it work for you I guess. Thats this new gen idea isn't, fuck reality do what you want. But for me, I have to respectfully disagree. Still i have a question, in your view what would you consider a typical fake kickflip over or down stairs for example?
Fakie isn't switch.
Trivks arw neat
Noice vid3o zed rat
Switch nollie
Dude, ive honestly tried to submit questions on your site but i dont think it works right on my phone. Heres my question..
When were you first exposed to the muska? Was it thps? For some reason his look drew me to him in the game. Who did you think had the coolest character model in the games and did that influence your choice of character?
What are you talking about dude.😂
Been a fan for years, love the content. I've noticed recently that you've started zooming in on yourself doing these videos. Honestly to me it seems super random when you do it, and it's kinda distracting lol. Just a small nitpick :/
Chad Rat
Can't agree.
"Hey what's a hardflip?"
"Oh it's a front shuv with a kickflip, apart from in nollie/fakie where it is a nollie/fakie backside shuv with a kickflip"
"A great way to practice for backside 180s is to practice fakie frontside 180s to build up the motion"
The whole thing is just whack, it feels like when the dorky kid at school enforces the teachers rules without actually questioning them.
Which way you're facing the obstacle during a trick is such an irrelevant way of defining it. It's how a scientist who's never step foot on a board would categorize things.
If you skate, you are well aware that a switch frontshuv is the the same as a nollie backshuv. Same with the 180s, 360s, bigspins etc etc. Fakie nomenclature makes a lot more sense than nollie, nollie seems to just exist as this weird point to correct beginners on. I think the nollie way works for grinds and slides (and should spread to fakie), but nollie doesn't make sense for standard tricks at all.
Do you not understand? A backside shuv in nollie and fakie are (the same but) totally different. Nollie backside shuv is actually backwards. A nollie frontside flip is a good example of nollie 180 variations for me. Easy to understand why it would be called that. Even though technically you gotta know how to switch backside flip. But a nollie front shove is a front shov the way a tre is just a tre but frontside since you’re on the nose. I just don’t feel like anyone is schooling anyone, if the tricks are already named right. It’s when video games get it wrong that it can confuse people…imo. Like a backside 180 hardflip. I remember commenting on a sls video and someone told me it was called something else and when I looked all I could find were video game clips from skater xl lol It doesn’t need a catchy name. Just by looking at the trick you can figure out the rest. To visualize something like half cab variations for the first time it can help to use a tech deck! Even if you gotta bend your arm all weird haha
It is a good reference point though. They're the same trick visually and in feel, but they're named different in the sense that a nollie front shove does make an exception for this type of trick. Because it include a directional variant of the trick but not a 180 variant (using your whole body like a cab trick). Where they both converge and manage to be the same trick despite everything else typically being inverse of each other, in terms of naming anyway. Very interesting.
Fakie and 180 rotations is where naming gets weird for me. If you ride up to a ledge frontside in fakie and 50-50 it's still a fakie frontside 50-50.
But also I do disagree that the direction as behind you or in front of you as you approach it is very much scientific. As the obstacle does not move so it is fixed and it has an axis too. That you are skating on as if looking from a top view. When you half cab or nollie 180 into a grind you're now facing the opposite direction and should be called as such. It's not hard but it's not the most accesible knowledge. Because there's a number of idiosyncrasies, or situations with little rules to remember. Unless you wanna make up your own Haha
You don't wanna backside fakie half cab to front 50--50 you wanna just half cab front 50-50. You wanna half cab into a nosegrind you want it to look and feel like a nosegrind, not a 5-0. The result in the street; If you fakie into a nosegrind, it's now called a 5-0. So there's truck variations that are affected inversely, like 180 body rotation. In fakie. That also includes slide tricks. Front half cab noseslide is gonna be you popping fakie and doing a tailslide. It's gonna feel like a switch back tail.
Unless we're talking about stuff that really hasn't been done, it's usually got a way to name it using what exists, I think. As someone said, a lot of it has been done. After a while everyone just sort of figures out what everything is correctly called. In skateboarding a lot of it is like a movie where you don't want to give out the spoilers, but everyone experiences the same phenomenons tbh Sometimes we see something totally new in the sport and it evolves, some days we don't.
Skateboarding is relatively young in my opinion, who knows what skateboarding will look like a hundred years from now. I have no idea, but it will be insane (in a good way), I hope. Hopefully can they figure out fakie in the future lol
Half cab back suski equals salad where it goes over the obstacle, where a half cab front suski is more of a true suski. It depends on the direction of approach back or front side relative to the obstacle. Both looks like crooks and it only makes sense when you half cab. That's a idiosyncrasy. But it gets weird when you do half cab like tricks to grinds in nollie.
A nollie 180 switch back crook is a nollie 180 salad technically, but not visually. And it should cancel out because then it would go into fakie-like naming. I'm not sure the extent of idiosyncrasies in nollie but this is potentially one of them. The purpose of nollie seems to be cancelling out reverse naming of tricks. But then you end up doing stuff like calling nollie backside flips nollie frontside flips. Where a fakie frontside flip is a frontside flip and it doesn't cancel itself out with the name structure, with nollie often requiring using two stances in one trick name for nollie 180 to grinds.
Fakie is essentially pretty effective and fast, and eliminates the term backside, and switch. (Nollie front 180 switch back 50-50? vs Half cab 50-50 or Half cab front 50-50) When in fakie, never go backside lol Always half cab. So now you're just riding up frontside and half cab back 50-50ing. Not [switch] nollie 180 switch mongo regular back 50-50 or whatever.. what's the point of deviating from fakie naming when you're going to have to resort to calling tricks 'switch grinds' or something else, before you even 180 into them. If I nollie 180(ignore the 180!) into a switch crooks that's a regular crooks then, sorry. (This is wrong, but a half cab to grind is natural stance. Currently trying to figure out why I wrote this last part, as it might apply to half cab but not nolie 180 to grind...I guess what I'm getting at is maybe I'd sooner use the term Nollie half cab than switch nollie, if that didnt imply going the wrong body rotation to a nollie front 180).
Half cabs were way ahead in that context. Where you might be skating vert in the 80's and switch didn't exist and you wanted to go up fakie and get a trick but didn't wanna come out of a grind switch. And probably still don't. You also wanna know which side you're gonna lock into from after the 180. Which is also inversely proportional to the direction you're coming from. A nollie half cab 50-50 would just implicitly suggest you will lock into a switch grind. Where a half cab was implying you would ride up fakie, do the trick and come out in your natural stance. It was the final step after pumping, rock to fakie, run up fakie, half cab, add a trick to that, then go back in to natural stance. Saying nollie half cab 50-50 or nollie half cab front 50-50 would have to require me switching from what I know as frontside in nollie to backside.
I could be wrong about that last part. Not sure I know why they named anything the way they did tbh But if you told them that's a half cab switch 50-50, they'd say no it isn't. Well, technically it's not. But that explains why nollie does that (switch grinds). But switch didn't exist. Nollie also didn't exist either. It was either regular stance (natural stance or, whatever they called it) or fakie. Maybe if switch existed they would have been nollie half cabbing into switch grinds. Or what I guess I call cancelling out haha. You want people to know you're skating switch though, so that's a positive. Using the term Nollie half cab would erase that. And the point of skating nollie is to skate switch. Which means half cab-like tricks to grinds should be used more often.
@@haroldcampos9661 The way you can't retort my points in an even somewhat concise manner, makes me think you're the one who doesn't really understand 😅
@@kingraptor11 Retort huh? I can even refute them lol
ged rid of nollie, it is just fakie switch.....^^
🤨🤨🤨 my boy tryna be too controversial 4 da title..
But if you do something fakie…like a half cab flip….then you land regular. Get outta here.
Half cabs are only fakie backside, saying backside half cab is redundant
I think you need to review or just play helskate. Roguelite Thps with devil may cry style combat.