The Dark Side Doesn't Make Sense
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- Before somebody corrects me, I know Exar Kun is fine as hell and it's called hyperbole.
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"Tell Emperor Palpatine that. It could really help him out with his plans."
It was you. It was you all along.
"Tell Disney. I want them to know it was me."
Finn: *“REY, PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME HERE! **_THERE MOKE BE SNOKES!!😭”_*
@@CNWhatImSaiyan Rey: "I'm tired of all these motherfucking snokes on this motherfucking Exegol."
"The emperor could really use that cloning device for his plan"
A whole year before episode 9. Daamn. Good job
smashypeople I loved this
smashypeople 3 whole years before actually
Hope they didn't see this ..I would not want to blame .
The Emperor cloned himself in the old Expanded universe
Yeah but 25 years after he did it in the dark horse comics
My favourite part about the Sith "Rule of Two" is that one wrong atmospheric re-entry and the Sith would have been completely wiped out.
Jedi Council: Another happy landing
It's important to remember that the Rule of Two came from ol' George Lucas's prequels. The books that he got royalties from but I guess never read had clear Jedi family traditions where father's would train their sons, Jedi Mothers had a special bond with their Jedi babies, and planets even had their own Jedi customs and traditions.
The Sith seemed to change often. Sometimes it was a whole civilisation of Dark Side users, sometimes it was a self styled Sith Lord from a Jedi gone wrong. It sort of made sense in the way that terrorism and corruption can take different forms as well, whether it's the murdering of Caeser or the rise of the Fuhrer.
Then GL rolls out with the idea that Jedi are Catholic monks, Obi Wan's comfortable desert robes were actually the straight up uniform of the Jedi, and the Sith have a Rule of Two which I guess was meant to set up a thing where we'd kill off the apprentices in the movies and the final movie would be Anakin stepping into the spot. OoOoOOooo. But also... dumb.
And didn't even stay true! Palpatine and Vader seem to have had Hands and Inquisitors and all kinds of masked, red lightsaber wielding mini Sith. So is it just that the Jedi Council has 12 and the Sith have two, but they both have an army of Force blue collars that work under them?
@@CappyK they even break the rule of two in the prequels. Palpatine had Maul while he was still an apprentice to Plageus
@@TheMagicalPinata Maul wasn't actually a sith. Iirc Maul never actually used the force in the prequels. He was a sith assassin, not an actual apprentice. Which was basically a "hack" to the rule of two.
@@Cryogenius333 I can confirm that Maul did use the force in The Phantom Menace.
The thing I actually think is hilarious about the rule of two is that it implies that literally every sith since Bane has hated the Jedi so much and been so incredibly petty about destroying the Jedi that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for it
Well if there’s a line all the way through, you probably don’t get in unless you’re on board.
Not petty. The jedi caused some direct form of tragedy upon them or the republic did. Darth Bane himself was forced to become a soldier after killing a republic soldier after winning a gambling game, his apprentice used the dark side to kill 2 jedi that killed her friend and she hated them, her apprentice has already a morally ambiguous professional Assassin she was just looking for a higher purpose and the Sith gave her one.
All Sith go in with the Knowledge that whatever their master can do, they will also be able to do one day. Since competition, individuality, and strife are encouraged among Sith they will often go on their own missions to recover more knowledge suitable to overthrow the master and the master does the same to defend from the apprentice.
Self destructiveness is what Sith are all about.
I love the implication that there's a Jedi and a sith out there who equally don't give much of a shit about it.
@@amitthehuman Jolee Bindo on the Jedi, Darth Marr for the Sith. 2 old republic characters in one of those MMORPG's that canonically are exactly like you say.
"But what if you're a sith and you feel passionately sad?"
DID YOU MEAN: Anakin Skywalker
Yeah, but that gets channeled pretty quickly into rage, maybe some passionate productive grief would be nice. Idk try and understand what cultural or economic reasons lead to tusken raids being a thing in the first place and attempting to solve those issue in order to prevent such tragedies from repeating. If done right that might even make a compelling movie. If nothing else it might make for a funny scene when he informs the jedi order that he is going to stay on tatooine to solve it's geopolitical issues.
"So the moral of this story is... kill your girlfriend."
The sand is so... rough. And it gets everywhere.
Willow Arkan r/whooosh
Anakin Skywalker was an exception to the no girlfriend rule too.
2016 Jenny: "Someone should tell Palpatine about the cloning thing."
2019 Jenny: "Oh no! What have I done?"
Her sarcasm was too powerful.
As she said "I dug my own grave, with my funnies."
I ruined your 666 likes
@@pentbot I mean, he cloned himself in legends too.
I was hoping for this comment
“Most of the Dark siders look like hideous gruesome monsters.”
Shows Christopher Lee, a real human man among grotesque fantasy wotsits
Is joke
a fabulous carnal being among wotsits
As I understand it, it's because Dooku never fully gave himself into the Dark Side. So he didn't suffer the disfigurement that other Dark Side users did.
Well, he does look a lot like Dracula.
@@somewhatstrange2097 But this Dracula seems quite charming. Someone should invite him to a party some time
in so many stories the bad guys seem soooo miserable i’m like why is this their goal? like in HP when Voldemort and everyone are sitting at that dank dark gross table and everyone is so on edge and he’s just murdering people in front of them. i’m always like ew this party sucks i don’t believe anybody wants to be here. i mean maybe at that point they’re just trapped. they’re all like “ooooh these vibes are wayy off i expected this to be a lot more fun”
That's sort of the point of the whole scene
@@rooty But it does also beg the question, wasn't this guy just as much of a dick last time? Like, why would you go *back* to the bad house party the next weekend/incarnation as a snake faced demon god?
It feels unrealistic but IRL neonazis are also boring, gross, and miserable
I like Palpatine because he's the Sith that seems intensely happy. Most Sith just seem miserable, and serious. It seems like they don't really like themselves, and dont have any goals except power for power's sake.
Palpatine... Palpatine loves his life. Palpatine is doing exactly what he wants to do, and is exactly who he wants to be.
He's just out here living his best life
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you know now that you mention it, Palpy isnt such a bad dude.
Yep, He's a great role model for kids, if you ask me.
That is legitimately one of the reasons, Darth Sidious is so powerful. He is a happy sadist, with zero empathy. That gives you an advantage in the dark side.
I really like the idea of someone being really strong with the force but not wanting to be involved with the actual politics of the force so they just use the force to do mediocre magic tricks and maybe use mind tricks to convince their friend to let them crash on their couch or something. Very unenthusiastic uses of the force.
There is someone who matches the first half of your description: Kyle Katarn. He has force powers but wants nothing to do with it or the jedi so he works as a mercenary. Eventually he has to come to terms with his powers which is kinda interesting.
@@chadschmaltz9790 There's no chin under Kyle Katarn's beard, just another Bryar pistol.
Pretty brilliant character idea... like if the Big Lebowski was a Jedi Master
KOTOR 2 sort of tackles this topic? The main villain is a character that has been shunned by both the light and dark side and is done with the whole "politics" of the force and just wants it to die. It's such a fucking great idea and it's an endless shame they didn't get enough time to really finish the game.
This sounds like if Taako from The Adventure Zone was in Star Wars.
It should be noted that Palpatine actually broke the line of the Rules of Two because he was like “I don’t actually give a fuck about creating the hypothetical Perfect Sith, I just want to rule the galaxy”
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who thought this
Girlboss behavior
They stole Jenny's idea about palpatine clones and then fucked up the story anyways because as I've been saying for years, PEOPLE NEED TO HIRE THIS WOMAN.
It's been a thing in the EU.
The comics did it decades ago.
@@tretretre1111 Yeah, zero money to collect comics sadly. I try to keep up with the EU lore but I'll miss out on things here or there. I guess even people who can affotd a comics hobby have that problem.
Should pay royalties
@@tretretre1111I can't believe the European Union would do this
"Hey guys we're racist now so, um, just keep that in mind going forward" - Emperor Palpatine
He picked it up living on Naboo.
Meeesa nooolike dat
My guess is that since they're the inverse of the Jedi and the Jedi aren't racist, they had to be racist, they're hands were tied it was the only option.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 thus, Sith are always nude.
@@dstinnettmusic and as fear is a path to the dark side, that means the Sith are always Naked and Afraid (and Racist)
count dooku is a silver fox how dare you
Agreed
Signature look of superiority
Count Dooku isn’t technically a Sith, just a Dark Side user, same with Asajj Ventress. Also Kylo Ren. The Force is weird.
@@tiberiushazo6326 Nope, canonically he is a Sith; Darth Tyrannus. It's just that no one calls him that outside of a few scenes in Attack of the Clones.
@@durnsidh6483 presumably because he picked it when he was twelve and can't change it and is really embarrassed by it.
I honestly admire how Jenny is able to see all of the flaws in Star Wars universe, but still loves it.
see what now? she completely misunderstood all of star wars and made a video applying real world woke culture to it.
@@IllegalHelios
Sure chud
@@IllegalHelios I didn't realize "it's dumb to train someone with the sole purpose of them killing you" was woke.
@@IllegalHeliosLMAO because she’s a woman or because she used to word “racism”?
Bro replied to a 2 year old comment on a 7 year old video💀
My theory about why the Sith are so weird us that most of them are either fallen Jedi or learn from people who are. So they've internalized this super over the top evil idea of what the dark side is and try to pursue that instead of being powered by friendship or love or whatever (even though that would be a way better sales pitch).
darksiders are tradcaths basically
@@yardshipYOU PUT IT INTO WORDS
We need a Monsters Inc style revelation that happiness actually makes you stronger than being angry and all the Sith frollick around singing while murdering armies of Jedi with ease
This Put Very Funny Images Into My Head
That actually sounds like it could be scarier than angry slaughter. Like, imagine your just a normal Jedi, and some guy is just having the time of his life butchering your friends with a deranged smile.
I'd GTFO real fast
@@kawinkawin basically tf2 Pyro
@@kawinkawin literally Palpatine
That makes sense in the lore, actually. The Dark Side isn't anger, it's *passion*.
The idea that Palpatine only recruited Anakin for his looks is just gold.
GG Jenny. GG.
Star wars is the only universe where you get made fun of for having a girlfriend
ROFL
I thought she said “Vaders can’t be choosers” and I liked that a lot.
"Maybe he (Palpatine) didn't know cloning technology existed. Maybe someone should let him now that that is a possibility."
He knows now.
Sadly.
Akfownfkakfk
The Knights of the Old Republic games explored this well. At one point, you go to a Sith Jedi training facility, where everyone is encouraged to be evil to each other. By the end of that sequence, the trainers end up betraying each other and everyone kills each other. Clearly an unsustainable system.
Steven Huxley A comedy film about a sith school would write itself
Jenny Nicholson call it : saved by the jedi! also that is the catchline, every time the comic relief gets in trouble and is saved by a jedi that is what he says.
also fucking halarious video!
Steven Huxley It'd be a good reason as to why Valkorion left the sith empire.
Steven Huxley They tried, but I was quicker. :P
Steven Huxley - It makes a bit more sense than the rule of two thing though. I'm guessing it was set up to try to turn neutral force using recruits to the darkside by isolating them and making it so only the strongest and most ruthless graduated. It strengthens the darkside as a whole but runs the high likelihood some of the new Sith will try to betray the existing order.
"Do you get a really nice recruitment bonus?"
Yes. The Dark Side has cookies. There was a whole ad campaign about it.
Im not a Star Wars fan, hate spiders, not a Brony lol, but ive become an unintentional expert on all sorts of stuff by bein a huge Jenny fan 💗✨
I swear she could talk about cardboard for an hour & id happily listen... id watch her sew a vest on a trout for 20min & feel thoroughly satisfied
You know what Jenny Im 100% sure that the dark side doesn’t have a Human Resources department
I don't know why not. HR is the most evil thing out there!
Darth Squidward abolished it.
Treating humans as being merely resources seems pretty evil to me
You know, a cool Sith would be someone who is passionately afraid. Like, their whole life they were beaten and tormented and walked on, so their purpose of turning evil is to gain power so they never feel that way again, and if anyone tries to stop them they freak, lash out and are viciously powerful due to their deep, innate fear of subjugation. So if they're ever cornered in some way they because unnaturally powerful. That'd be really cool. And the possible redemption would be cool too, like maybe they realize they're doing the same thing to others as was done to them, and the good guys are like "No dude we'll have a pizza party and sing camp fire songs" and they learn to control that fear instead of feed into it. Then they become a powerful peace loving Jedi who learns to take their own power from themselves rather than from others. Or they die afraid. And dramatically. Then we'd be sad for them.
....a sith like Anakin, then?
@@RenaDeles Yeah, kinda, but I don't think his days as a slave were too traumatic for him. He was free to do all kinds of shit like pod racing and building C3PO
Lillie Buchanan your describing bane
The core Sith emotions are anger, hate and fear. It's not a novel concept, most Sith are heavily motivated by fear - Anakin feared losing Padme which drove him to the Dark Side, Plagueis feared being killed which drove him to discover the power of immortality, Palpatine feared not being in control of everything which drove him to weaken Vader with a faulty suit and take over the Galaxy. Hell, even Kylo Ren is motivated by the fear of his uncle killing him and the fear of living in the shadow of his predecessors.
As Master Yoda once said:
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
So we have Ezra now
love the use of “the darksider community” like it’s a sith fandom bc yeah lol
I always hated how a villain keeps asking someone to join the dark side, as they aim hurt everyone their opponent cares about and make it so easy for them to absolutely hate their opponent. Is it hope that that they’ll become "darksidey" by getting too angry and suddenly turn on their motivations for no reason? I’m pretty people don’t commit character suicide and switch to their sworn enemies faction because they feel too strongly about their situation. In fact it’s incredibly stupid to even consider in the first place.
They are blinded by their own anger and hate from the Dark Side cocktail making them lash out anything and when they fight back it's a vicious cycle as it's you against the world with the exception of your "ally".
Palpatine gets a pass here because in RotJ he didn’t just ask Luke to suddenly be evil, he actively tried to gaslight him the whole way through. It wasn’t “oh hey you should be evil, wanna join me?” it was “your friends are dying and deep down you are as evil as your father, you don’t have a choice so just give up.”
Yeah, it basically seems to be more of a means of discrediting the Jedi to make their faith waver by rousing their emotions to the point that it makes it seem quelling them is impossible, and hopefully thereby drive a wedge between them and the Jedi, leaving them with no one to turn to, thus at the very least, meddling with the unity of the opposing faction.
Like, Palpatine was perfectly happy to be killed by Luke if it meant that act of rage cost him his connection to the good side of the Force, and presumably his chance at felling the Empire with it. Even if Luke didn't decide to be a full-blown Sith, or even a Storm Trooper, he'd have his morale wrecked by breaking his code, possibly costing him his ability to succeed in the long run.
I once heard someone explain this for Emperor Palpatine, specifically, as Palpatine being full of hubris and assuming that he had become some kind of Force God of Darkness, so anyone who fell to the Dark Side would inevitably come to serve him. Like, Darth Vader hated Palpatine and was constantly trying to recruit Luke to the Dark Side for the purpose of killing Palpatine and taking over, and yet Vader remained Palpatine's obedient lapdog up until the moment he turned away from the Dark Side completely, and Palpatine had convinced himself this was an inherent property of the Dark Side and not a quirk of the specific circumstances of Anakin Skywalker's fall.
I like that explanation. It's a shame no one, y'know, put it in any of the actual movies.
It honestly shares a lot of things with criminal grooming. The idea is to break them down psychologically and then mold them into something else.
UK is no longer going to be canon in the EU
-_-
This is what I call a 'deep cut comment'
lol
XD
Scotland is no longer going to be canon in the UK. If it ever truly was.
Got some bad news...Palpatine figured out the whole cloning thing.
Sorta.
He watched the video
@@Chillerll Nah, he just read Dark Empire.
you: "Basically, if you're a force user, you just have no good options"
me: "That's what Kreia said!"
Does not diminish how enormously much you nailed it though. Almost five years later, I'd still give that video a dozen thumbs up!
Imagine if Jenny was secretly Kreia all along
Kreia was kind of right, but she was too nihilistic. She could have spent her efforts to come up with a new way, a new philosophy that could bring true balance, instead sge rejected everything and wanted it all gone.
Apathy is dead!
@@arx3516 I think she wanted to be stopped by the one she had taught. eg: The player. She seemed content with her defeat.
Jenny, this is late in coming but if you want a really good insight into the Sith, you should read 'Darth Bane". He was possibly the most altruistic Sith there ever was. He followed the rule of 2 more closely than any other Sith and this is explaiined quite clearly in the series and why. Palpatine didn't follow it at all. I hope you give it a shot. It's well worth the read.
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No wonder why fanboys get such a hard-on for the whole "grey Jedi" concept, because they can make for an interesting character that doesn't fall under the category of either annoyingly self-righteous or nonsensically evil.
And what’s funny is that George Lucas has gone out of his way to state that Grey Jedi aren’t a real thing. He was like “Grey Jedi? That’s like being a Grey Police Officer. I uphold the law by breaking all the laws.”
That isn’t an exact quote, but I remember him saying something like that.
So... Batman? Grey Jedi are Batman?
Good job, George, you made Grey Jedi even cooler.
Grey Jedi is the simple power fantasy of "I want all the powers, but none of the responsibilities that go with them."
But again, that's like calling yourself a grey police officer. You can't call yourself something that is defined by a large number of rules by breaking most of them.
FreakDaMIghet I think it holds that there really isn’t a big organization that strives to be “between” the Jedi and Sith. You can of course, learn force powers apart from either group. But any group you formed taught superpowers while requiring members not to be evil would ultimately end up having the same problems and serving the same role as the Jedi, even if they had looser rules than the Jedi ... only they’d have the problem of both the Jedi and Sith not liking them. A group that was evil, but not as evil as the Sith would be seen as competition to the Sith and one group would just absorb/destroy the other. Rule of Two Sith don’t need numbers because their whole game was staying hidden and manipulating the political system to kill their enemies for them.
*Memo: RE: ALL: Hey guys, we're racist now.
Sincerely,
Bad Guy Boss*
This is the best Dilbert strip I have ever read!
The only Sith who is calm and reasonable is Lana Beniko. I love how she just talk about philosophy with a Jedi master without judging, just two force users talking about their perspectives without crying about who is right or wrong.
and Darth Marr
@@cujohjosefumi1252came here to say that!
Asajj Ventress, too. Once she got away from Coubt Dookoo, that is. She's still my favorite Dark Side user
@@bhope13 Coubt Dookoo
@@pokeballs6663 think hes one of the first to know what vitiate really is planning
10:24 Jenny is directly responsible for The Rise of Skywalker
Came here to point that out lol
This is you literally setting up the _Rise of Skywalker_ three years early.
Except don't kill your gf, resurrect her instead.
Ugh
Dark Empire calls, it wants its cloning ideas back
DID YOU JUST CALL CHRISTOPHER LEE A "HIDEOUS MONSTER"!!!?
She did 😂
Nobody ever respects Darth Dookie and his crooked "hilt"
I mean.
Dracula.
Why else was he cast as all the monsters?
All of your points are valid and well thought out. By not making a coherent and logical universe within the laws of customs, magic or physics you dream up, you get these contradictions that just snowball with subsequent stories. Great video!
The story of "Star Wars", since 1980, when Lucas had a brain-fart case of writer's block and the best thing he could come up with to hang the sequels on was "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former college room-mate", and an unlikely romance between two characters.
Endless retconning and recycling of story elements ever since.
I think if they actually were honest enough about what the dark side would actually look like it would be too recognisable to people.
@@j.l.w9563 Good creates killers from ignorance. the road to hell is paved with good intentions. At least the dark side isn't pretending.
The idea of a site being powerful due to his passionate love for someone could be a really cool idea. His love interest is killed to supposedly weaken him and he becomes infinitely more powerful. Coincidentally this is also the plot of John wick lol
LOL.
"Heyy... Why do the Jedi keep beating us?
Oh, it's cause they have lots of people... and we have two."
Sith logic.
MeanGreen lol well the Sith were fighting themselves all the time when there were more than two of them at a time.
I remember hearing somewhere( a reddit post I assume) that said that each side had a finite pool of energy/The Force to work with on bother the light and dark side.
That's why the rule of two was a thing, because with only two force users allowed on the dark side, they are so much more powerful.
It's also why the Jedi lost so easily in the prequels(force was spread too thin across dozens of jedi).
I have no idea if that is canon, but I thought it explains a lot about some things
@@TheAltair2012 old canon reason for rule of 2 was back stabbing syndrome and due it some sith didint teach evything to protect them self
@@TheJarric ahh okay, thanks, maybe it was fan theory I'd heard of that had that "less hands in the cookie jar" idea of the force hahaha.
The backstabbing makes sense though, cheers.
@@TheAltair2012 yeah bane learned his teacher had lied about light saber technigues due back stabbing leaving more potent out of students reach so he coud beat em other reason for rule of 2 was it was easier to teach one student than classes bane likened it to poison more knowlage student has more powerful the dark side grows in student this might be reason why they thought it has finite pool
"it would be funny"
Is actually all the reasoning a dark side user ever needs
"You know I think it's funny how..."
~Kylo Karren
10:40 Jenny couldn't have possibly known in 2016 that the living in obscurity part of her joke would actually end up being the plot of Fallen Order for multiple characters, and ended up working out for most of them.
So well, in fact that the only thing that blew Cal's cover was being a dummy and using the force after a workplace accident.
7:05 the true reason for the rule of two: Darth Bane got bullied for smiling too much and didn’t like his peers being mean :(
The moment you realize you predicted clone Palpatine THREE YEARS before The Rise Of Skywalker.
I know right, I thought for sure that "someone should really tell Palpatine" bit had to be a nod to that but nope, this was years before tros was even a thing
Palpatine and cloning is old as the 90s
Yeah, and noboby liked it back then either
It's just Palpatine that's racist. He's from Naboo, think about it, Naboo is just humans, and Gungan, if the only aliens you grew up with were Gungan, you might be racist too.
I like Gungans more than most, but that is really funny.
your comment puts me in the state of mind that confuses me to anger which led to hate bla bla dark side.
Except that he's worked with many other races and has aliens on his personal staff. His absolute confidant was an alien and stayed on his staff until his end according to the new canon. So the racist/speciest theory kind of gets blown out of the water. In fact the whole anti-alien sentiment was only present in the old Expanded Universe books and no where in the movies or what is considered canon today.
Oh? How many aliens did you see on the staff of the empire in the movies?
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In the original movies, none since we only saw 5 advisors in all of the movies. In the prequels, 3 close staff members including Mas Amedda who not only was the senior advisor to Chancellor Palpatine but knew he secret of being a Sith.
Then there is the elephant in the room which is Darth Maul being not only an alien but a potential successor to Palpatine. You don't take on an apprentice that you see as always being inferior. That makes no sense at all even from a torture standpoint.
I love Jenny's nerd talks. This is how I chat with my actual friends but without the numbered lists.
I know this is very tongue-in-cheek, but I think you're spot-on with some of these criticisms, and I think it has a lot to do with some of the contradictions in the very structure of the Light vs. Dark dichotomy. You know, there's the classic meme line "Only a Sith deals in absolutes," which is ironic because that statement is itself an absolute, spoken by a Jedi. But that attitude, that "there is no room for nuance" kind of view point permeates the whole understanding of the Dark side throughout Star Wars canon. There's never any room for nuance. Like, every time we see a Force-user even brush up against the Dark side, it's always painted as a negative. We never get to see a Dark side force user who is just like a chill guy who just kinda lives his life, but like if you mess with his friends he'll Force-crush your speeder bike or some shit. We never get to see like a Dark side Force-user who's like a bad-girl-with-a-heart-of-gold. They're all just objectively evil. And we're all just kind of expected to casually ignore the times when Jedi do shitty stuff.
The Darkside (at least from what I understand) is meant to basically be a cancer that ultimately corrupts and ruins the user, it’s not not something one can use and be chill about. And the whole “bad girl with a heart of gold” aspect of it has been done (mainly in games) in the form of the “Grey Jedi”.
The Empire was racist because it would have been too expensive to put a lot of actors into alien makeup. Heck, they couldn't even afford to have a lot of non-British actors fill the roles.
And even then the speciesism and sexism of the Empire was retrofitted in by EU authors who noticed the implications.
Were the Mon Calamari specist because they tended to have Mon Calamari serving on their ships?
@@SugaryCoyote if the mon calamari had a galaxy wide empire and the only people in power were mon calamari then yes they likely would be.
soapsudbud The Rebellion spanned the galaxy and they only had human fighter pilots.
@@SugaryCoyote that's not true, they had a couple of alien pilots in ROTJ, and more in the new trilogy and the expanded universe stuff. I assume the actual trilogy had budget issues which is why it wasnt shown, as opposed to them having an actual explicit policy of racism which the empire had towards non-humans.
The Dark Side offers the better pension plan and an extra week vacation.
Also a better 401k plan, stock options, and health insurance with free dental. It's a tough offer to pass up
ScarletB but to they have dental?
Tom Roberts clearly not... have you seen Palatine's teeth?
and free Guacamole
but no guard rails on the death star...shoddy health and saftey..
Palpatine's racism (speciesism?) gets weirder when you consider his first apprentice (in the films) was a Dathomirian Zabrak (Darth Maul, I mean).
Clearly he was indeed one who bought into "human exceptionalism," but did that arise after the events of Episode I? Did Maul's failure sour him on all aliens? The world may never know ('cause neither Lucas nor Disney are thinking that deeply, heh).
He saw Maul as "One of the good ones." It's like when 45 hired Omarosa.
My read of the Dark Side is that it doesn't actually corrupt anyone. You access it through strong emotion, emotions like rage and fear are easy to utilize so they favor those, and corrupt the Dark Side in the process. The Sith and the Jedi are both controlled by their fears, and that fear corrupts everything they touch
"Trough Passion, I gain Strength"
Through Strength, I gain power
Trough power, I Skip Around" the original code of the sith
Skip to naboo my darth-ling
"Beggars can't be choosers."
We hold hands and skip, and the world will know fear.
Trough lol
Vader can choke his own men from thousands of miles away, yet chooses lightsaber duels with his enemies.
yea never thought about that wtf lol
PaulTurbo
it would be a boring movie
PaulTurbo to choke someone he has to know where they are so he knows where to apply the pressure. So he has to sense someone, which means they're also a force user and can counter his choking, or he has to have a video feed of them. It's not like Vader is going to just choke random life sources or even random points in space and hope one of them is an important enemy.
force mind control and force choke require alot of energy to use also most people are resistant to those moves as long as they are not weak willer
force users can resist force powers, so his enemies with force abilities require more...
Lol, “the Sith code talks about passion, it’s super lame.” Sent me
"like i get that.. in a human way" sums up my feelings exactly
Darth Malgus actually made a lot of the same points you're making, which is why he attempted a coup to seize control of the Empire during The Old Republic era and even became Emperor for a short time. He spoke about the inherent flaw of the Sith, how the infighting never stops, how the Empire's racism makes them weaker by ignoring aliens that could be useful, etc... So yeah, all of those flaws are canon -- or, well, legends canon.
P.s. The events I described happened about 30 years after the "Deceived" novel, during the events of Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO.
P.p.s. Cloning force users was incredibly difficult. Starkiller was the only successful Galen Marek clone, the rest either didn't have force powers or came out all jacked up.
Didn't Palpatine have like a zillion clones of himself tho?
Palpatine had bodies to possess via the Living Force.
He jumped bodies to clones so many times it was becoming a problem. The copy of a copy of a copy problem.
TechnoMancer Magus You know when you make a copy of a copy... and it doesn't come out as sharp as the original?
"I have a wallet. I can drive a car."
Matt Ell I can hear rushing water...
I think that the Sith lords took apprentices to use them as errand boys before sending them on a suicide mission. I believe the emperor sent Vader on many suicide missions, but Vader kept coming back. At least that's how I would do it if I were a Sith Lord.
They followed the rule of two, knowing that one day their apprentice would turn on them. The question is whether the apprentice would beat the master.
Palpatine had already abandoned the Rule of Two when he trained Vader, as shown by the fact that he was in charge of Dooku(who had his own apprentice in addition to Grevious) and Anakin at the same time. It's even more obvious when Vader tells Starkiller that if they work together they'd be able to kill Palpatine, which is as much an insult to Bane's system as humanly possible.
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+Ty Fletcher Palpatine told Anakin to kill dooku so he could take him on as an apprentice.
The Dark Side as a pyramid scheme is a _wonderful_ concept. Imagine getting hun-botted by a sith lord
This is why Kreia is the best character. She rejects the Dark and Light Side both and recognizes that the Force itself is the true evil of their world, the way it influences mortals to maintain balance.
Woah it’s almost like a parasite then. Midochlorians or whatever they’re called. And Jedi and sith are just the lame slugs who are infected and go to the top of the leaf to get eaten by birds.
*tips fedora*
"There's someone for everyone" HAHAHAHAHA
Nate Socrates Not for me!
+Colton Phillips I cri evertiem
Wolfie Inu Me too
There is, but the world is so big you may never find her, probably don't even speak the same language
Badguy260 If I'm racist, do I ensure that the one for me is within reach in that regard?
I always thought if a Sith Lord and his trainee died on the same plane, the dark side is completely screwed.
You forgot Darth Windu
Windu: “I am going to end to this, once and for all!”
Vader: “You can’t, he must stand trial.”
Windu: “He’s to dangerous to be left alive.”
Vader: WTF?
Windu: “If my answers frighten you, then you should cease asking scary questions.” (Mace is channeling Jules and Ezekiel 25:17 in that scene)
hilarious
"Why wouldn't you just clone yourself?" aged perfectly 😂
"Leave them in the comments so I can... write fan fiction about them."
Good to know where your head's at Jenny.
Sean Loughran Fan fiction doesn't necessarily equal slash fiction.
fanfic is always slash and ships and tits and dicks
Sean Loughran Good to know that her head's in the right place.
Phobe Laxu That's what YOU read, things like DXD, Maken Ki, or some shit like that.
I was being hyperbolic. I don't think i've read more than 3 fanfics in my entire life.
“He’s the only one with a girlfriend, they’re basically married”
awww
“Then he kills her”
Oh
I mean, Anakin was kind of like that as well though wasn't he?
FutureCreator No, because he dated her as a Jedi. And basically the whole relationship was with him as a Jedi.
@@Thindorama Was killing all the younglings and contracting jaundice eyes not sith enough for you?
Caligula That was at the end. Days from the end literally if I’m not mistaken.
@@Thindorama still counts.
Chuckling from start to finish, your trail off line delivery is great XD
The darkside’s rule of two makes a lot of sense to me. I had a mindset like banes a few yrs ago, so maybe I can help make sense of it. It is sort of a dark twisted form of altruism that causes them to take on apprentices, but not simply to share knowledge. It’s for them to take up the mantle of working to over throw the jedi and create their empire when the master became feeble and weak with age. Bane would gladly rather die by his apprentices hands than by natural causes if it mean his leaving his ambitions in capable hands. In fact he believed if his apprentice did not challenge and kill him while he was in his prime it was pointless. The Sith would naturally grow weaker instead of stronger. Eventhough many sith didn’t follow that, they did gradually grow stronger each generation as they inherited the full mantle of the dark side. They also stuck to Bane’s other ideal of using manipulation and subterfuge to overthrow the jedi instead of head to head battle. In head to head battle they were destined to lose due to there only being two of them, or infighting. It was because of banes philosophy they finally succeeded. Also, Sith don’t respect dark jedi, so they would recruit them, but only use them as pawns in their game (I.e plaguies’ plans for dooku). As long as there were two sith, everyone else was tools (I.e ventriss). I don’t know if many were put to good use in the lore, but that was the point of them.
I will say the sith don’t make convincing arguments for joining the darkside aside from we have power you might need/want. I think they may just rely on the darkside consuming people wants they get a taste for it’s seductive power.
Which is a shame as it paints the dark side as quite one dimensional. Every single dark side user seems to be miserable with their life, with some bearing stone faced satisfaction, and a few extreme examples actually showing some positive emotion like Sidious.
But it's overall so limited in the films portrayals. You're either the cackling mastermind like Palpatine, or a cheerless miserable brood lord.
It's why I like the interactions from the RPGs a lot when youre a dark side user. A sith that *isn't* 100% psychotic and *doesnt* get off of people's suffering? Crazy!
also it seems ro me that since they have no way to know if they've learned everything from their master before they go and kill them... the Sith would have a cumulative loss of knowledge over time. The only thing that would help mitigate this would be holocrons.
@@SeeJayPlayGames if they were truly down for the cause they would pass on all their knowledge. I feel like bane would’ve, but I doubt many sith after him did. We know plagueis didn’t, but that’s because he never expected to die.
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Dude felt. The force itself comes off very one dimensional. You’re either 100% virtuous, or evil incarnate. All the other lore helps fill in the grey areas, but even still they’re either stoic or mentally unstable. In a sense I get why. True sith embrace the full darkside and revel in all its capacity for evil. The system itself boxes them in.
@@mahdsiahel-khaalik5967 Oh yeah I definitely get it's meant to have a whole corruption aspect, you get power to do what you want but naturally morals start to give way to personal ambition.
Its just the sheer and utter lack of middle ground emotions that really dig into me. We needed more laid back or level headed dark side characters. Ones that can demonstrate how other can so easily slip into it, even if just to protect loved ones or trying to do something good.
"There's someone for everyone"
That part gave me hope and broke my heart all at once.
Power is the strongest aphrodisiac.
I think Darth Vader was passionately sad and self loathing.
nice profile picture i like it
Yes but he had to keep it hidden lol
Yeah, this is something that’s implied in the films as the saga goes on and his story gets more fleshed out, but really becomes explicit in the expanded universe. The comics have some nice operatic and pulpy moments of Darth Vader showing that the endless well of hatred that grants him his mastery over the dark side is totally inward-focused.
Yes, he really was. He was severely depressed and his suit had him in constant, severe pain. His power comes from hatred of himself.
Oh no! She gave JJ Abrams the "Clone Palpatine" idea!!!
Couple thoughts:
1. The dark side is allegorical. It let's the audience feel the threat of personally succumbing to temptation and becoming evil. We vicariously fear a fall from grace, rather than a draw to something appealing.
2. Those who would find the dark side appealing are attracted to the very elements you describe:
- the thrill of chasing power for power's sake (aka many politicians, celebrities, and CEOs)
- the tantalizing prospect of winning the top power spot makes the journey thrilling (dopamine addiction)
- the danger of someone almost as powerful as you, gunning for your spot, is thrilling to them
- the prospect that what you create will destroy you provides a sense that you have achieved perfection if you create something so evil that it seeks to destroy you, its creator, as it's ultimate goal. There's a narcissistic pride to it, which overrides any sense of self-preservation.
I can't take Exar Kun seriously because of his name. I just imagine him as a harem anime protag.
"It's not like I want to duel you or anything, baka Exar-kun!"
Desperately trying to seperate those two fandoms in my head.
Now I want a harem anime with Exar Kun or Naga Sadow.
What have you done? Now I'm imagining this and I hate it.
Palpatine having a huge army of cloned Sith? That would _never_ happen.....
YES I've always been like "wtf are they trying to accomplish?"
"Oh. Great. Put him in the van, I guess." has me D-E-D dead"
The Light Side doesn't make much more sense. It's a weird blend of generic good-guy traits, just as the Dark Side is a weird blend of generic bad-guy traits. But the Light Side also has some other odd elements thrown in, like an apparent resistance to change (even positive change) and...being okay with _mind control?_ It all makes them seem less like a bunch of pure good guys and more like a religious order whose religion is built around a vague heroic ideal.
Which makes lines like "Only Sith deal in absolutes" make that much more sense. And it fits well into the whole denial-of-emotions thing.
That's cause that's what the Jedi are. A religious order of acetic pseudo-pacifist monks, prone towards meditative navel gazing and condescending lecturing . The Sith on the other hand, are a bunch of hyper individualistic, might makes right social darwinists (the very fact that you can't stop me from murdering you and taking your shit means you deserve it) whose dual motivations are the accumulation of power for its own sake, and sticking it to the Jedi out of pure spite based on a thousands of years old religious schism over what is and is not the proper way to use the force (emotionally repressed serenity or unleashed passions).
Granted I haven't really delved into the EU, but my understanding was that there wasn't a "light side" per se, and that the "dark side" was more of way of describing how you could be seduced into abusing your power.
@@jakerockznoodles that was the original intent, yeah. THat shit got muddy REAL quick though.
scienceandponies I love this comment
The Jedi represent classical liberalism (centrist norm-enforcers) pretty directly in the prequels. They are too arrogant and disinterested to prevent the rise of fascism in the dark side. But also anyone who tries to fight fascism with an exercise is prone to helping it. Honestly I don't think any political ideology is presented positively in Star wars, especially the prequels.
“ so i can write fanfic about them”
"yeah put him in the van i guess"
I think the idea of the rule of two was meant to be like... "The fewer people there are who have access to this power, the stronger they are because it's less diluted" and that was an idea Darth Bane came to after seeing Sith Empires fail... Several times? But then, they also wrote that much later on into the existence of Star Wars to excuse the idea that there's usually just two big bads, and that also doesn't explain why the two lonely big bads also lose frequently to the way more good guys
In the EU, Sidious DID clone himself, and you know what... It was terrible.
TheGenerationWest Story wise or character wise?
Dark Empire comics...not as good as I remember...
Darkness7508 All of the above.
Best part of those comics now, looking back on them, is the cover art. Story was mediocre.
It was called "Dark Empire." And Luke turned dark too I guess. But I never read it.
The Sith aren't racist, there are plenty of alien sith. That was just the empire that's racist.
Skooma Joe
yup
Skooma Joe very true.
Skooma Joe not to mention the original sith was an alien race and not a faction
Joshua Schnitzel alien race which still accepted pretty much only siths, humans, and hybrids of both
Duszy very true
Jenny, did you doom us to Palpatine's plan to clone a shit ton of Snokes? Seems like Disney listened 😂
I think the point is that the light side extreme is very unemotional and cold while the dark side extreme is impulsive, greedy, and insidious
I don't think that coldness is attributable to the nature of the light side, but rather the dogma of the Jedi Order specifically. Part of the story is about how they had lost their way.
I think one problem with the Jedi is that they were only allowed to care about things from a distance. Like, you have to be empathetic, but you can never care about things too much. The best comparison I can think of off the top of my head rn is the relationship between a doctor and a patient. Like, you’re supposed to care about your patient and their health, and it’s your duty to care for them to the best of your abilities, but you have to keep things professional at all times. Like, you can be friendly and whatnot, but you’re not supposed to form actual relationships with patients. And it’s somewhat similar to how the Jedi work. Like, they can have friendships, but they’re not supposed to cross that, like, professional boundary. Ofc in a doctor/patient scenario the reasons for rules are totally different, so it’s not exactly a one-to-one comparison, but I still think its close enough. Especially if you’re talking about relationships between Jedi and non-Jedi.
Oh, and you talk about happiness-based Sith . . . did you even watch Palpatine cackling maniacally in his fight with Yoda? He was having the time of his life!
You know what doesn't make sense? Me watching this at 2:15 am when I have finals
how can you be watching this if your eyes aren't real? :v
Saad S watching this is all that matters at 2 am! >.
Saad S
OMG same
Saad S Same!
Bruh. It's never too late or early for a Jenny Nicholson discussion.
Well someone told Palpatine about the cloning thing obviously
0:50 The thinking seems to be that if you aren't _the_ most powerful being, you're going to be murdered or oppressed no matter what. So in a "dog eat dog" galaxy, they believe acquiring power reduces the chance of those two things happening. They know it'll increase the chance they get assassinated the more powerful they get, but they seem to feel that will happen anyway if they keep their heads down and rely on hoping they won't be a target for someone who'd see that as a sign of weakness. Seems like a hood way of thinking IMO.
3:30 From what I've read, fostering bigotry was to generate more negative emotions throughout the galaxy in order to fuel the power of the dark side.
4:43 While the Sith Order never explicitly banned intimate relationships the way the Jedi Order did (AFAIK), the Sith Malgus knew strongly discouraged it because his SO could be held hostage as leverage over him. Malgus killed her because he learned that one the hard way. I agree killing her was unnecessary, unless it turns out she knew secrets he didn't want to risk being disclosed.
Part of the reason the Sith consistently teach their members to not have any emotional attachment to people or sentimentality to anything (living or inanimate) is because they see that as leverage that can be used against them. A force user who never feels like they have something to lose is going to be a lot more difficult to blackmail than a force user who has eggs in multiple baskets (or at least one), so to speak.
And the Jedi don't forbid emotional attachment for "arbitrary" reasons. They forbid them because they don't want emotional rollercoasters to cause their members to become unbalanced or turn into dark jedi. It's bad enough when that happens to someone who isn't force sensitive, but *everyone* is going to have a real problem on their hands if you get a crazy force user who is going on a rampage (unless they're prepared for it). Examples include EU Palpatine, Joruus Cbaoth, and EU Luke Skywalker when Mara Jade was killed.
Hey, you put up Count Dooku as a gruesome monster, and I would like to say that Christopher Lee is an incredibly sexy man and doesn't deserve to be on that list.
She also said emphatically, "most".
He was THE exception.
@@jcspoon573 He was THE *male* exception. Afaik, all female sith look very attractive^^
dude, he's literally Dracula.
Well... have you seen Dooku's teeth? Very British.
Padme: "What do you do if you have 10 younglings and 7 chairs?"
Obi-wan: "Get three more chairs?"
Anakin: "Kill 3 younglings!"
1:03 The pyramid scheme analogy was spot on!
I've been watching _Harley Quinn._ I like how the Legion Of Doom there is what the sith should've been. They take on super heroes, plot villainous activities, and host parties. Harley Quinn got a kick about how they don't validate parking, saying "man, that is evil!" :D
Flaw in logic: Palpatine wouldn't clone himself because he knows what his clones would do kill him, and he also wants the strongest on his team.
Okay if are genuinely curious why sith ever get apprentices it's because
1. The power kick from lording over someone.
2. They normally think they can control their apprentice.
But doesn’t the Rule of Two say that they’re going to end up trying to kill their masters at one point? Why teach an apprentice everything you know if they’re going to eventually kill you and take your place?
@@thenablade858 because they’re all arrogant and think they can control them
@@thenablade858 As someone who obsessively read the book of the sith, the idea is that they don't actually teach the apprentice anything. And they take on apprentices for variations on "muh tradition." I think.
@@Evbuscus1 Taking an apprentice is very useful.
You find someone who has a lot of potential, teach them basic stuff so they can do some basic stuff for you so you do not waste your time doing mediocre stuff. In time you teach them more and more so they can do more stuff so you can focus on big picture, of course always thinking that you are still bigger dog and it is basically no problem.
Eventually your influence grows more and more and your apprentice is constantly doing control, visits, assasinations etc. while you work on bigger plans, you even start to consult your decisions with them cause they are your representative on the ground.
And then they kill you.
And they laugh saying "I would never be such a dumbass"
And they have this massive network which requires constant attention...so they find a strong apprentice to they can do some basic stuff for them so they do not have to waste their time doing mediocre stuff (and so the cycle repeats itself)
IIRC (from KOTOR, if you go dark), the principle is that having an Apprentice forces you to keep striving to get stronger, because if you don't, your Apprentice will kill you. So the Apprentice has an incentive to get stronger so they can hope to take the Master's place, and the Master has an incentive to get stronger so they can stay on top. In theory, the result would be stronger Sith (at least on a 1 on 1 basis vs. Jedi), but in practice, it made them weaker as a collective, since the Jedi could cooperate and recruit larger numbers while the Sith were constantly at each other's throats.
So if you can clone a force user, maybe the specific force genes can be isolated and identified. So using gene therapy, maybe you can give anyone force powers. Does CRISPR exist in that universe?
It's been several years since I've read it but I believe a family of nobles tried that on the planet Vjun. Can't recall the details but it didn't work and everyone involved in the experiments went insane.
@@avatareternal3204 yeah that's what happens, usually, when you clone a force user also.
u mean midichlorians?
If you want to know more about the Sith, there's a game set back in the era before the "rule of 2" when there were a LOT of Sith.
Sith are ruled by their passions, so having a Girlfriend (or boyfriend) was a lot more common with them than with the Jedi, who would kick you out for wanting to have a monogamous relationship.
"Living in obscurity as a David Blaine-style street performer..." absolutely killed me! Darth Vader - MINDFREAK!!!
Valkorion not only had a gf while being the sith emperor, but 3 kids as well
and all his kids are fucked up maniacs...even for sith or darkside users or whatever
i lost my interest in this subject since the game turns out to be shit after the release
of the third expansion
Asyhlt 666 you would be fucked up as well if your dad was a 1300 year old force entity planning on galactic annihilation
Yeah, but their dad was still cool. idk
***** lmao most of mainstream sw fans haven't even heard of revan.
Except Revan SUUUUUCKED.. Cool in KOTOR 1.. Because he was a reflection of your own choices. All the rest was just pure crap.
And, about Kotor being "The number one SW Game of Years"... Is complete bull.. Some would argue the Battlefront series was the "Number 1", the some would claim It's the Jedi Academy games, then you'll have those who say It's the Force Unleashed games..
You've got zero proof of that claim lol.
This just enforces the theory that, ideally, a force user balances the dark and light side in harmony. Too much dark side and you kill your girlfriends. Too much light side and you can't have girlfriends, or feelings at all. Both are terrible ways to live.
Technically of course there were times in the Jedi Order's history where relationships were allowed. The prohibition against attachment was enacted (I believe) at the time of the Rusann Reformations due to the overabundance of Jedi "clans" which had grown up and essentially established fiefdoms across the galaxy during the New Sith Wars. Coruscant wanted to avoid the potential for large amounts of Force users having loyalties divided between family and the Order.
Luke Sampson Woah, I would love to read a story about Jedi fiefdoms and the importance of family.
Wait a minute,
So there was no actual reason romance was disallowed other than population control?! No spiritual significance whatsoever?! That just furthers that theory even more, the jedi are pretty clueless about the force.
Not sure that was the only reason. Prequels do demonstrate a danger to Force users if they get to attached to something and wish to keep it (whether that is Padme for Anakin or Power for the Jedi Council). It may be one of those things where, with a larger population of Force users, there was more propensity for falling to the Dark Side, and perhaps even more stories like Anakin where attachment led to a Dark Side fall.
But yeah I love the concept of Jedi families and fiefdoms. Has so much potential for storytelling.
Exactly. The Jedi believed they were all about balance but they were wrong. Their teachings prevented meaningful relationships. That's what led to their downfall. Anakin desired more affection, understanding, and more meaningful relationships, being emotionally undeveloped. But the teachings of the Jedi order prevented him from having all of that which he needed. The Jedi thought they achieved balance but disregarding basic human psychological needs like attatchments, for example, was why a powerful but human weapon like Anakin destroyed the whole order. And of course, the force was all about that emotional stability, hence the reason why Revan was so powerful. Revan married Bastila and had kids with her and there was no higher power like a Jedi Council to restrict Revan from doing that.
In all fairness to the Jedi, they had lasted a thousand years with this arrangement without any major problems. And Anakin was something of a unique case. Remember, the Jedi Council didn't want to to deal with Anakin in the first place. When Qui-Gon brought him before the Council they turned him down, sensing the grave danger inherent in his fear. It was Obi-Wan who insisted that he would train Anakin with or without the Council's permission. That being said, once they had taken him in, they should certainly have handled him better than they did.
But yeah I think between Revan's case and Luke's in the Legends continuity, the case can definitely be made that Jedi should be allowed to marry. Whether they'll address this topic in the new movies remains to be seen.
(Btw, love the description of Anakin as a powerful but human weapon. Very apt.)
"through power I gain victory.... Beggars can't be choosers!"
Lmaoo
The darkside of the force in Star Wars is a bit like dark magic in Harry Potter. It's not inherent evil though some techniques of it are. But it has a negative influence on the force user like on the magic person in Harry Potter universe. It corrupts the body, mind and spirit of the person performing it and turns them evil.
Except skilled light side users can use dark side abilities or even use similar tactics by edging the dark side without being fully evil.