Another one sold! Damn I am so pleased with my Revolver 1800KV. I now see I don't need the Mamba X for my TRX4. The Sidewinder 4 will do perfect! I look forward to spending MORE $$ with Holmes Hobbies. Thanks for these tech videos.
Definitely appreciate the review, as I have several sensorless outrunner motors that I had nearly given up on, due to unsatisfactory performance in a scale truck setup. I knew a higher quality(higher cost) esc would yield smoother response, but it would’ve defeated the purpose, from my perspective. I ordered two SV4’s after watching this. Hopefully Castle will thank you one way or another.
Glad it helped you out! You will be very pleased with the outrunners again. We didn't sell ours sensorless for many years because the startup wasn't good enough to put our name on. Now we can do it and feel good :D
Sweet! Just in time to go into my new F350 Dually Project Build, Revolver Combo and adding your wicked servo to the deal, one stop shopping & on a budget can't be beat. Really liked how ya'll demonstrated the Drag Brake capability as well. Another great video from the best motor builder on the planet, thanks for sharing it with us!
Thanks John, for showing me what I NEEDED to see!! I mention too often that I have very limited spending cash, always.... I'll have to see what you're calling "reasonable". No disrespect, but for some people, a good price is quite a bit lower than someone else's. 😉 I'm in a predicament where I need very good, very slow speed control AND a cost of not much more than $70-80 for the ESC. THEN I've got to try to find the money for one of your Outrunner Brushless Motors (2100-2600kv range). Not easy at all in my position, where I'm insisting on Products in the Premium Class!!! A Miracle could happen too.......... 😱😜 lol Carmine
Won't be happening at this time. Trust me when I say the drag is strong enough with the right motor behind it! At 30% the drag is far more than tire traction.
Ive builded a 6x6 of traxxas emaxx suspension..im using 2 sw4's.with titan550 daul brush motors!! An awesome combo on a 22lb rig with a crawler on deck!! Sorry don't have pics
Thank you for all the great info you put out here to the community. I like your soldering stand to hold the wiring, where can Obtain one or if it is homemade do you have the plans/instructions for it?
Thanks for the video and info. Just getting some old vehicles out and dusting them off and looks like new tech will make them much more useful and enjoyable!
Got this combo put in my Ascender I can't say enough about it. Good price point and step up from my bushed setup. Very surprised about how much control you can really get out of this.If you like the slow crawl with some wheel speed you have to get this. I love the sound of the revolver perfect for my soon to be c1 rig!
Enjoying your video's John. Do you know what the ESC resolution is or number of individual steps on the throttle curve the ESC has? Also, I live in a relatively cold climate and that combination beanie and cap is damn fine idea.
Hey John! I’m loving what I’m seeing with this combo. I’ve heard mixed info on whether the revolver motor is water proof/water resistant though. Can you add to this and clarify some information? And I don’t mean completely submerging the rig under water. I’m lookin for something brushless that I can do more scale water crossings with and not worry about it damaging the motor.
If im running 3s on like say a rustler for street bashing w/ 2400kv brushless motor, would i want to use a bec for my steering servo? Or am i gunna be happy without? Thankyou bro, awesome demo!
I love that you show how well this combo works but you use the trx4 that has very low gearing cause of 2 speed. How would this crawl in say a scx10 2 rtr with much higher standard gearing? Would it be just as smooth to crawl with?
Hey John, while waiting for Crawlmaster Minis to come off backorder and ship, could I get away with running a sidewinder 4 on 4S? The set up is a Holmes Revolver 1000 KV, and a Holmes SHV500 V3 (direct powered). Also running a Torquemaster Winch off of it's own battery. This is in a NSWD with a 2low tranny. So nothing heavy, not sure the weight of the rig but, it's a C1 build with limited added weight. Thanks for your input.
Any chance you can do a video on the same set up but showcase the Snubnose? I have a build using the TRX 4 drive train that it would be perfect for size wise but I can not seem to find any videos on it. The size makes me hesitant.
What sort of use? mostly crawling, or will you be using second gear a lot? The snubnose would be just dandy for mostly crawling, but would run a bit hot with extended 2nd gear use.
Hi John. Great video as usual. Can you elaborate on why the linear BEC is no bueno for crawling? Also not understanding why an external BEC would be needed on 3S.
Hey John .. excellent review of the SW4 .. I just bought this exact same setup recently for my SCX10 II .. problem I'm experiencing with this (on 3S LiPo) .. it's seems very fast compared to the videos I have seen with this setup, and I have been unable to locate anything on the web as to what the BEST settings are for the SideWinder 4 and this beast of a motor ?
Hey John how do you feel about the bullet connector directly on the board? I would wanna run in my sand rail but i remember the original VXL was plagued with the bullets breaking off the board and not being able to repair them.
As I work at a local hobby shop your videos are a great sales and reference tool to help eliminate all the miss use of information. Seriously thank you as a friend and fellow hobby enthusiast.
That's a nice setup. I am wondering why there seems to be motor spool up time before it moves. I seen another video with the same motor with your ble ESC in an SCX10 but it would move quickly and was so much quieter. Would the noise level have to do with the ESC and the transmission for the quick response in movement?
It's a nice one if the KV choices are in the zone you want. I'm working on some higher KV lower pole count outrunners, but getting them to start smooth is a big challenge.
So this esc can't handle the power that the Sidewinder 3 can?? Because the sw3 says 15V... And 3s is actually 12.6V max.. so could this thing actually run a 4s like the SW3 could?
Why doesn't this esc have a amp rating like most esc? i have looked everywhere and amp rating are none existent except for bec amp rating. If anyone can tell me that would be great. Thanks
Can my sidewinder micro 2 be updated to this same software? Or do I have to buy this ESC.and for a 2.2 shafty comp crawler would 1800kv or 1400kv SNUB NOSE revolver be better? And what size revolver would have better drag brake?
No, this is mostly hardware changes making the SW4 startup as good as it is. Lower kv and larger motor will have the best drag, 1400kv 540 size. I would personally throw in a 1400 snubnose into a comp rig.
Outrunner motors have been used in crawlers for 12 years, over a half decade before other brushless solutions came to market. While four pole and two pole motors are more popular these days since sensored is widely available, there is no beating a Revolver for sensorless operation. The sW4 controls a 4 pole rather well too, with proper gearing you would be fine with an 8lb rig.
No need to go that long, as it becomes a poor motor because of the winding diffuculty and rotor flex. We have a 3663 Puller Pro XL in 3500kv. holmeshobbies.com/motors/brushless-motors/puller-pro-series/puller-pro-bl-540-xl.html
+HolmesHobbies thanks for the link and info love all your stuff I think I can use that motor.. we do a lot of outlaw drag around here. just getting I'm to scale trucks.
Hello. Yes I'm late to the game. My friend is a new crawler. Ran same combo an fried his steering servo, he for got to wire 12 volt.to servo,,Did you just jump.power only from battery or both negative an 12v.to .servo an use a single signal.wire to receiver..sorry.to spund dumb..
I do discuss it, but not with the terms they coined. It's a combination of dithered switching frequency to reduce switching losses , and a synchronous rectification to reduce diode losses. Most of the gains are found when running under 50% duty at high load, when diode losses would typically be the majority of heat.
@@HolmesHobbies Awesome thanks for the reply now I just need to figure out if it is an upgrade from the VXL-3s or just a sidegrade. Any chance you have an opinion on that? Vehicle is a Slash 2wd LCG VXL used mostly on paved or prepared off road surfaces.
Almost anything will be an upgrade. I would probably get a Mamba X, because it would work for about any other 10th scale rig you may have in the future, and also has great sensorless startup.
@@HolmesHobbies I have a Monster Slash with the 1512/MMX combo and another rig with the SCT 1410/SW3 combo. This truck is for my son to learn on. So I am trying to see how cheap I can go without going with no-name ebay parts. Just making notes to remember the upgrade path I am going to use as parts go bad. Because I am going to let him run the Velineon system in the ground first. :)
I see a lot of information on the sw4 hardware being better for sensorless, but do the new hardware changes improve brushed performance over the castle mamba x or the ble or br-xl?
I have a Sidewider4 with 2200kv outrunner motor. After test and tunning works like a champ. Dont like the awfull sound😂Will change for a crawmaster mini v3
Just purchased this I don't think I have ever been his excited about my crawler. Putting the setup in my wraith can't wait!
Another one sold! Damn I am so pleased with my Revolver 1800KV. I now see I don't need the Mamba X for my TRX4. The Sidewinder 4 will do perfect! I look forward to spending MORE $$ with Holmes Hobbies. Thanks for these tech videos.
Thanks for the support! Yeah, the sensored system is not even needed with the proper setup at this point. I didn't think I could ever say that.
@@HolmesHobbies hi, sw4 the same thing like mamba x?
I want to install this ESC on 6x6 trx6
Definitely appreciate the review, as I have several sensorless outrunner motors that I had nearly given up on, due to unsatisfactory performance in a scale truck setup. I knew a higher quality(higher cost) esc would yield smoother response, but it would’ve defeated the purpose, from my perspective. I ordered two SV4’s after watching this. Hopefully Castle will thank you one way or another.
Glad it helped you out! You will be very pleased with the outrunners again. We didn't sell ours sensorless for many years because the startup wasn't good enough to put our name on. Now we can do it and feel good :D
Man that looks like a good combo liking how it all sounds as well.
Loving it so far. Got a decent amount of wheel time this weekend at the Ultimate Scale Truck Expo and a lot of folks were digging it too.
Rock on Mr.Holmes! Get it up on the site and keep it in stock, ill be pinching every penny for my 550 revolver combo and one of your awesome servos!
Much appreciated!
Sweet! Just in time to go into my new F350 Dually Project Build, Revolver Combo and adding your wicked servo to the deal, one stop shopping & on a budget can't be beat. Really liked how ya'll demonstrated the Drag Brake capability as well. Another great video from the best motor builder on the planet, thanks for sharing it with us!
Thanks John, for showing me what I NEEDED to see!! I mention too often that I have very limited spending cash, always....
I'll have to see what you're calling "reasonable". No disrespect, but for some people, a good price is quite a bit lower than someone else's. 😉
I'm in a predicament where I need very good, very slow speed control AND a cost of not much more than $70-80 for the ESC. THEN I've got to try to find the money for one of your Outrunner Brushless Motors (2100-2600kv range). Not easy at all in my position, where I'm insisting on Products in the Premium Class!!! A Miracle could happen too.......... 😱😜 lol
Carmine
I gotta get a sidewinder 4 for my crawl buggy. Thanks for sharing 👍
I'm going to wait till the HH version comes out. My rigs are heavy they need that Holmes hold.
Won't be happening at this time. Trust me when I say the drag is strong enough with the right motor behind it! At 30% the drag is far more than tire traction.
Ive builded a 6x6 of traxxas emaxx suspension..im using 2 sw4's.with titan550 daul brush motors!! An awesome combo on a 22lb rig with a crawler on deck!! Sorry don't have pics
Great review! Thanks Holmes!
Thank you :D
Thank you for all the great info you put out here to the community. I like your soldering stand to hold the wiring, where can Obtain one or if it is homemade do you have the plans/instructions for it?
Thanks for the video and info. Just getting some old vehicles out and dusting them off and looks like new tech will make them much more useful and enjoyable!
Got this combo put in my Ascender I can't say enough about it. Good price point and step up from my bushed setup. Very surprised about how much control you can really get out of this.If you like the slow crawl with some wheel speed you have to get this. I love the sound of the revolver perfect for my soon to be c1 rig!
Glad you like it!
Thanks for showing low budget deals. I'm on disability takes every penny to play. Always wanted mount revolver sticking out if hood. HA
This certainly makes getting high performance brushless in a crawler less expensive.
I'm in the same boat Brother, Disabled since Iraq.... This looks incredible!! I hope that I actually can afford it!
Carmine
I like the idea of the revolver sticking out of hood. I would love to see that
Awesome I'm gonna get one right now. Thanks om sold
Enjoying your video's John. Do you know what the ESC resolution is or number of individual steps on the throttle curve the ESC has? Also, I live in a relatively cold climate and that combination beanie and cap is damn fine idea.
It's at least 10 bit resolution, if not 12.
Nice vid as always.
Hey John! I’m loving what I’m seeing with this combo. I’ve heard mixed info on whether the revolver motor is water proof/water resistant though. Can you add to this and clarify some information? And I don’t mean completely submerging the rig under water. I’m lookin for something brushless that I can do more scale water crossings with and not worry about it damaging the motor.
The bearings should be kept well lubed, just like any other motor. Besides the chance of rust, the motor runs underwater just fine.
HolmesHobbies awesome! Thanks for the response.
If im running 3s on like say a rustler for street bashing w/ 2400kv brushless motor, would i want to use a bec for my steering servo? Or am i gunna be happy without? Thankyou bro, awesome demo!
I love that you show how well this combo works but you use the trx4 that has very low gearing cause of 2 speed. How would this crawl in say a scx10 2 rtr with much higher standard gearing? Would it be just as smooth to crawl with?
The scx10ii gearing is not a problem!
Hey John, while waiting for Crawlmaster Minis to come off backorder and ship, could I get away with running a sidewinder 4 on 4S? The set up is a Holmes Revolver 1000 KV, and a Holmes SHV500 V3 (direct powered). Also running a Torquemaster Winch off of it's own battery. This is in a NSWD with a 2low tranny. So nothing heavy, not sure the weight of the rig but, it's a C1 build with limited added weight. Thanks for your input.
I love you're rocking the hat again!!! I wonder if it'll cause such a stir this time? lol See you next week!
probably not, that was last weeks news.
Any chance you can do a video on the same set up but showcase the Snubnose? I have a build using the TRX 4 drive train that it would be perfect for size wise but I can not seem to find any videos on it. The size makes me hesitant.
What sort of use? mostly crawling, or will you be using second gear a lot? The snubnose would be just dandy for mostly crawling, but would run a bit hot with extended 2nd gear use.
Hi John. Great video as usual. Can you elaborate on why the linear BEC is no bueno for crawling? Also not understanding why an external BEC would be needed on 3S.
on 3s, the linear BEC peters out and gets hot. That is why a BEC is needed.
Hey John .. excellent review of the SW4 .. I just bought this exact same setup recently for my SCX10 II .. problem I'm experiencing with this (on 3S LiPo) .. it's seems very fast compared to the videos I have seen with this setup, and I have been unable to locate anything on the web as to what the BEST settings are for the SideWinder 4 and this beast of a motor ?
gear down to get wheelspeed in check. use a smaller pinion on the motor.
Awesome holmes 😁
Hey John how do you feel about the bullet connector directly on the board? I would wanna run in my sand rail but i remember the original VXL was plagued with the bullets breaking off the board and not being able to repair them.
Not really an issue IMO. The case on the sW4 gives some strain relief too.
clean audio. Thank you
Thanks! A good lav mic really helped the vids.
Thanks John love it
Glad I could help :)
As I work at a local hobby shop your videos are a great sales and reference tool to help eliminate all the miss use of information. Seriously thank you as a friend and fellow hobby enthusiast.
That's a nice setup. I am wondering why there seems to be motor spool up time before it moves. I seen another video with the same motor with your ble ESC in an SCX10 but it would move quickly and was so much quieter. Would the noise level have to do with the ESC and the transmission for the quick response in movement?
the rotor has a lot of inertia, and this is sensorless operation.
WHAT SOLDERING JIG IS THAT YOUR USING 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
Nice Shop!
I film on location at the Hobby house. Our production shop is about a mile away, and I would be constantly interrupted filming there.
I have that exact same jacket :D
Please explain how more voltage (3s) gets you a worse bec rating.
I think im gonna buy this ESC. Do i need to programming computer before install it? Or actually just install?
For crawling, programming is better. For bashing, no need
I spy a disc golf basket!
I run the Fusion pro from Hobbywing in my crawlers but the Sw4 rips in my 2wd Slash
Do you need to pair it with the revolver motor or would your trail master pro brushless motors work alright?
I'm confused? How on earth does it crawl like that sensorless??? With it run this way with all motors or certain KV motors?? Thanks 👍🏻
HolmesHobbies can I expect the same low speed control with factory axial tactic controller and receiver?
looks like the combo for me to purchase
It's a nice one if the KV choices are in the zone you want. I'm working on some higher KV lower pole count outrunners, but getting them to start smooth is a big challenge.
I’d like to get that combo for you with One of your servos for a swb build in process
When will it be Available
asap. We need to add the escs to the site, we just received inventory.
HolmesHobbies thank you !!!
How is the setup on this esc ? can you adjust the dragbrake ?
The sw3 had bullets as well. Just your escs have wires for some reason? Maybe you're using an old version of their hardware? For your castle oem escs?
I have my ESCs built to my specs. I was thinking of the sw1 or 2 I suppose.
If i order this in your website, can i request that the switch be removed so that the esc will automatically ON upon connecting the battery?
When in doubt, THROTTLE OUT!!!😈
Excellent.....
So this esc can't handle the power that the Sidewinder 3 can?? Because the sw3 says 15V... And 3s is actually 12.6V max.. so could this thing actually run a 4s like the SW3 could?
Can you remove the fan on the esc to run in the snow? Will it still be waterproof with the fan removed?
yes and yes
Thanks!
How hard is is to hook up the control to it ? And can I use any control?
so this is strictly a crawler esc?
I have a sidewinder 3 esc with a 1407 4600kv.
Is it worth it to upgrade to a Sidewinder 4?
Can you use a Sidewinder 3 with that motor for a scx10 ii
Why doesn't this esc have a amp rating like most esc? i have looked everywhere and amp rating are none existent except for bec amp rating. If anyone can tell me that would be great. Thanks
Do you have a plan to test the mamba micro x ?
We have one shop rig running the micro. Have a specific question?
HolmesHobbies just wondering how it handles trailing/crawling with slate or puller motors
Whatd the real difference in the "Devolver " vrs "Revolver " motors
Can my sidewinder micro 2 be updated to this same software? Or do I have to buy this ESC.and for a 2.2 shafty comp crawler would 1800kv or 1400kv SNUB NOSE revolver be better? And what size revolver would have better drag brake?
No, this is mostly hardware changes making the SW4 startup as good as it is. Lower kv and larger motor will have the best drag, 1400kv 540 size. I would personally throw in a 1400 snubnose into a comp rig.
Hello Mr. Holmes, would this Revolver work with my Axial AE-3 Vanguard ESC? I have the CC BEC and CC Link hooked up too. Running a Bomber RR10.
startup will be pretty bad
@@HolmesHobbies Ok Sir, thank you for the reply, time to get a MambaX😫
will the b link work with the sidewinder 4?
Do you know if Castle has a quiet mode to quiet down the revolver motor.
nope!
HolmesHobbies - Thanks for taking the time to answer. 👍
If any one is a DH (down hill) mountain biking freak like me in the back round at 6:02 there was a pretty decent DH bike
Its a electric motorcycle ;)
On this system do you have to run an external bec for a 6 volt servos
It would be recommended for any servo over about 250 ounce inches
HolmesHobbies thank you
Will it work with a rock412
Can I put this on a rustler?
What motor do you have in there sir 👊
revolver 540 1800kv
What's the amps on the esc?
Bias? Out runner motors are seldom used, I wanna see a castle motor with this esc hoping it will handle 8lbs without a battery
Outrunner motors have been used in crawlers for 12 years, over a half decade before other brushless solutions came to market. While four pole and two pole motors are more popular these days since sensored is widely available, there is no beating a Revolver for sensorless operation. The sW4 controls a 4 pole rather well too, with proper gearing you would be fine with an 8lb rig.
North Carolina here does u make 3674can 3100kv motors?
No need to go that long, as it becomes a poor motor because of the winding diffuculty and rotor flex. We have a 3663 Puller Pro XL in 3500kv. holmeshobbies.com/motors/brushless-motors/puller-pro-series/puller-pro-bl-540-xl.html
+HolmesHobbies thanks for the link
+HolmesHobbies thanks for the link and info love all your stuff I think I can use that motor.. we do a lot of outlaw drag around here. just getting I'm to scale trucks.
Hello. Yes I'm late to the game. My friend is a new crawler. Ran same combo an fried his steering servo, he for got to wire 12 volt.to servo,,Did you just jump.power only from battery or both negative an 12v.to .servo an use a single signal.wire to receiver..sorry.to spund dumb..
we have negative jumped inside the servo. signal and ground from RX, positive and ground from battery.
My sw4 and outrunner dont seem to be that slow why is that?
What motor revolver? didn't here you say Thanks bud
Hi! Can i use sidewinder 3 with revolver motor? Thanks!
it's not as smooth as a sw4, but use the torque control and the startup is pretty decent.
@@HolmesHobbies ok perfect. Thanks a lot!
Its disappointing that it doesn't have an adjustable BEC with more amperage.
Do you not like Hako irons? Any reason?
Just the digital ones because they are time consuming to adjust the temp on. I have three FX-888 analogs, they work great.
I think you missed the new CRYO-DRIVE on the SW4. Would really like to what kind of voodoo that is.
I do discuss it, but not with the terms they coined. It's a combination of dithered switching frequency to reduce switching losses , and a synchronous rectification to reduce diode losses. Most of the gains are found when running under 50% duty at high load, when diode losses would typically be the majority of heat.
@@HolmesHobbies Awesome thanks for the reply now I just need to figure out if it is an upgrade from the VXL-3s or just a sidegrade. Any chance you have an opinion on that? Vehicle is a Slash 2wd LCG VXL used mostly on paved or prepared off road surfaces.
Almost anything will be an upgrade. I would probably get a Mamba X, because it would work for about any other 10th scale rig you may have in the future, and also has great sensorless startup.
@@HolmesHobbies I have a Monster Slash with the 1512/MMX combo and another rig with the SCT 1410/SW3 combo. This truck is for my son to learn on. So I am trying to see how cheap I can go without going with no-name ebay parts. Just making notes to remember the upgrade path I am going to use as parts go bad. Because I am going to let him run the Velineon system in the ground first. :)
what tooth pinion do you have in that?
stock pinion, 11t I think? Been a while...
My sw4 was submerged for 4 seconds and now it has a solid red light and wont run
Tried to contact you at your web site and its insisting my email address are invalid. Super bummed
Give us a call, leave a message if we don't pick up. Can leave your email and we can respond that way too.
I see a lot of information on the sw4 hardware being better for sensorless, but do the new hardware changes improve brushed performance over the castle mamba x or the ble or br-xl?
no change to brushed operation
Pov: he turns on the remote then the mic acts up lol
I have a Sidewider4 with 2200kv outrunner motor. After test and tunning works like a champ. Dont like the awfull sound😂Will change for a crawmaster mini v3
Is it just me but somewhat a jerky change of speed at 7:17?
twitchy throttle finger.
What? 2 baskets balling!!!!
Its literally the exact same thing as a sidewinder 3 just different logo.
Not at all. The hardware is obviously different, as the sensorless startup is far far more controlled.
So in da language of idiots wot servo is a good choice 🤔 😊
will the sv4 work with a 6 pole motor like the tenshock?
yes