"Return Of The King Is An Epic Movie but it's a bit short" | Kip Reacts to Kilian Experience
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2024
- Fellow Legends, welcome! Today we dive into another epic video by Kilian Experience. We have the climactic chapter of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but it's pretty short. I do absolutely recommend that you go ahead and check out Kilian Experience as well as the original video to show some support for the source material!
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I just want to say “It makes sense if you read the Silmarillion” to every question I’m asked, as if the sum total of all of humanity’s knowledge is kept in it.
world changing events occurring. lord of the rings is basically more of the aftermath. and smaller in comparison.
"My first sons brother is dead" is such an amazing joke
The Palantir being magic walkie talkies blew my mind. Mainly because its 100% spot on. Even down to people on the "same frequency" being able to listen in and spy on someone on the other end lol
I once spent a whole vacation screen sharing The Lord Of The Rings movies off of my laptop to a friend who had never seen them. Vacation well spent.
Oh my god, the Silmarillion. It's actually not a bad read, honestly, but when people say it reads like the most boring parts of the bible sometimes, they are *not* kidding. Don't kill me if I get the order wrong but it's like "Feanor, son of Finwe" and then a bunch of other instances of the *exact* same thing, and it just kinda dumps it all on you at once. It sometimes really reads like a very dry history book. Honestly though, if you, the person reading this comment, are a fan of Lord of the Rings, and you think you can handle that, it's actually a good read.
There's a lot of neat twists and turns and setups that make a lot of individual actions make more sense. It explains why elves and dwarves hate each other, and even explains where a lot of the monsters came from. It even puts actual context into who the King who Return(ed) actually was in context of everything else. It's worth if if you can. You might just have to reread sections and rest between some chapters. I know I did.
Adding this as a reply to my original comment: 11:48 The tree at Minas Tirith was a cutting from the silver tree if I remember correctly, yes. There was the golden tree across the sea, I believe (which now might be a place in literal space because of cutting the world off, changing it from flat to a sphere) and then the silver tree in..... Valinor? I think? [Edit: Ah. Valinor was the land across the sea, home of the Valar. Duh. Numenor, home of the Numen. Of course.] I can't completely remember. Anyway, the trees were attacked if I remember correctly by the Big Spider:tm: and a cutting was taken from the silver tree before it fully died, and planted at Minas Tirith? I forget the exact order. The cutting was either taken a lot earlier, or only after it was damaged. I haven't read that book since ~2010 or even earlier. Only once, too, but a surprising amount stuck with me.
Edit: You're probably a lot closer than I was on that, Kip. I actually forgot about a lot of the Numenor stuff.
In addition to the Bible you could also at times compare it to going through a codex/guide/wiki for your tabletop game of choice and it's lore instead of a regular novel.
The Palantiri are not walkie-talkies! Tolkien just invented Zoom before the internet was even a thing.
Also, "It's only a model"? Genius! 😂 Anytime someone can insert a Monty Python reference.
Ungoliant ate *both* of the Two Trees, as well as the pools of light they had shed, (although I think Melkor did damage one of the Trees before she got to it) but fruit and seeds from both were saved. Nimloth grew from a seed of Telperion that was gifted to the Numenoreans by the Elves of Valinor, among other things. The Numenoreans weren't allowed to sail west out of sight of Numenor, but the Elves were allowed to sail east and back. Well, until the Numenoreans decided they didn't want that.
Laurelin was also the parent tree of Galadriel's melian trees (the golden foliaged trees that the Elves of Lothlorien lived on). Meaning that there are descendants of both of the Two Trees in Middle Earth throughout the Third Age. I'm not sure what happened to the melian trees in the Fourth Age, once Nenya's power of preservation was ended.
I believe the white tree at the time of LOTR was actually the fourth or fifth generation after Nimloth perished with Numenor.
It seriously drives me nuts when people complain about the Eagles not taking them all the way to Mordor. It's not just about the stealth of the mission, it's also the fact that the eagles' *families* live in the *orc-infested Misty Mountains!* So, right, the eagles' warriors are just going to abandon their families in enemy-controlled territory and pretend their chicks will still be alive when they get back. Like, literally, "Hey, the entire world is in danger, so you should abandon your families to help our group, and, sure your families are definitely going to be wiped out while you're gone, effectively rendering your species extinct in Middle Earth, but you should be willing to sacrifice your families and your entire species for the sake of the rest of us, even though you could also just fly us to this nearer group who would be willing to help us and be back to your nests before the people trying to kill your families even realize you were gone." The reason the Eagles help in the Battle of Five Armies in The Hobbit is because the orcs left the Misty Mountains to attack Erebor and both the Eagles and Beorn have a vested interest in the orcs not coming back.
Inside you, there are two Feanorians:
One says that it didn't happen, the other says they deserved it
I always thought that Gollum's line about Sauron being a shadow with 4 fingers as more metophorical. Similar to how Sauron wasn't a literal flaming eye
In the book it's much more clear that Sauron has more than just a spirit by this time. He can take shape again and he will still be stronger than most in the world. But his power is scattered and hard to concentrate, it's why he collected the other rings. It made him stronger.
The Silmarillion in a nutshell
Melkor: hey you know those really cool marbles you made? Well they’re mine now.
Feanor: Cowabunga it is.
Man feel like that last part was for me :') lol another great vid man keep it up
The thing about removing the fuckening of Shire is that I think it kind of works with the modern western War experience? Like the book has it be ”they went to War and eveything went to shit and now Tolkien came back Home and everything is shit there to”. While in a current context a Soldier is more likely to go ”oh fuck everything is the same but I dont know what the fuck Im supposed to do with that anymore?”
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I remember watching this in theaters. Theater workers warned people not to drink too much soda cause it was a long one.
I remember watching this movie for the first time. Glad I saw the extended version first cause I would have been so confused of what happened to Saruman. That scene that was cut seemed kind of important.
well, it could be possible having shelob in human form since sauron once took the form of a big wolfhound (tol sirion against huan the hunting dog) and beren and luthien disguised themselves successfully as a wolf and a bat.
gothmog: lord of the balrogs and commander under melkor/morgoth bauglir, the dark lord before sauron (upwards in power scale here). killed fingon, lord of the elves in rather dirty combat. fell during the siege of the elvish mountain fortess city gondolin, quite literally down the mountain range fighting glorfindel.
gandalf sword glamdring was the sword of gondolins elf king, as everyone here remembers.
That's the same lore dive method that led me to be a starwars nerd
It’s a bit short😂😭💀
I agree every movie should be like almost 12 ish hours each
Palantir = skype call
It's been too long since I read the books.
I will never forgive Peter Jackson for destroying Aragorn's character. And for cutting Imrahil, Prince of Dol Amroth, and one third of the deadliest trio with Aragorn and Eomer.
stealth ... yeah .... but literaly nothing prevented the fellowship from using the eagles (especialy after they saved gandalf) going from the shire
to ... a LOT EFFING CLOSER to mordor skipping all the BS and risk
It wasn't until the Council of Elrond in Rivendell that they knew what the game plan was. The Shire is just where the Ring had remained since Bilbo brought it home. Saurman had also just been presented as betraying them. The literal head of the White Council. If they took the Eagles from Rivendell, where do they go? Dale and Erebor is already under watch because of the emissary talked about in the books. Dol Guldur lies to the South of Mirkwood.
The Gap of Rohan was closed and being watched. Sauron would be able to see them approaching his territory, which is walled off by the Mountains of Ash and Shadow. The Fellbeasts were arguably already in reserve for the war.
Rather than people saying, "lol, just fly, duh" I'd love a presentation on how this actually works and how it achieves better results than how the story went. It's entirely possible as well that the Ring could betray them or corrupt the eagles.Gandalf was a Maiar, and the ring could seize control over him. I'm certain that the eagles could be corrupted or influenced by the Ring.
Its also possible that since The Eagles are direct servants of Manwe that much like The Istari they're restricted in what aid they are allowed to render.